From: cbbro...@news.hex.net (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Servlets in CL
Date: 2000/05/19
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Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Robert Monfera would say:
>"Andrew K. Wolven" wrote:
>> Mallery isn't doing anything for the benefit of the Lisp Community itself,
>> and
>> is only alienating supporters if he thinks I am going to make any customer
>> cough up more than two hundred bucks for CL-HTTP when Apache is free.
>
>If $200 is big money for a web server for your customers, then I don't
>envy you, but supposedly your talent can add a lot of value to it (embed
>the web server in an application, for example), and help you make decent
>money.  Or is it that you can't get the clients to pay for anything?

Sometimes it's appallingly remarkable what clients are unwilling to
pay for...

The _problem_ is that with the availability of Apache, for free, and
Boa, for free, and Roxen Challenger, for free, and AOLserver, for
free, Zope, for free, IIS :-), for free, and probably a bunch of other
options, _for free_, a lot of people look pretty funny at the notion
of charging anything much for a web server.

Sure, Apple's WebObjects is pretty expensive; of course, it appears to
have dropped from $50K to $700, which is suggestive that declining web
server prices are the norm rather than than the abnorm.

I agree that $200 isn't all that much, but it's sure not unusual for
web servers to be priced vastly lower than that.

>As for the CL-HTTP license, I think that a meaningful commercial license
>(maybe along with an alternative, unsupported OS license) would be
>preferable, but I don't think it would make a difference for you, as you
>are clearly out of your medication.

The problem with the CL-HTTP license doesn't seem to me to be the
price, but rather the fact that the licensing is fairly vague.

If I wanted to build a derivative of CL-HTTP, and redistribute it, it
may be reasonably likely that it will be fine with the authors for me
to do so, perhaps at some fee, but it seems evident that there's not a
"pricing sheet" on how to do it.  I'd essentially have to pre-arrange
terms individually with the authors.

The uncertainty that is entailed is discouraging.

I can't speak for Wolven's meds :-).
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enter and search for clues. If the chamber pot is not there, then
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with it or else he decided to take it as a souvenir (in which case he
is obviously deeply disturbed and poses no threat). Either way,
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