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 More options Sep 26 2002, 4:02 pm
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From: ilias <at_n...@pontos.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:11:06 +0300
Local: Thurs, Sep 26 2002 4:11 pm
Subject: Re: The toxicity of trolls
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Rolf Wester wrote:

> Erik Naggum wrote:

>>* Rolf Wester
>>| No surprise, I expected that answer.

>>  I am Norwegian and I am very sensitive to people from the Wehrmacht telling
>>  Norwegians what to do or not to do.  You tried that once and it left serious
>>  scars in the Norwegian soul.  Will you pay attention to my sensitivity or
>>  consider it my problem?  I think you should do the latter and that it is
>>  obscene to bring up personal sensitivities because of one's /nationality/.

> You are right. I will keep that in mind.

the poster is not right.

he makes a faulty generalization.

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additionally:

decouple motivation from action.

you have reacted to a trigger-word.

*maybe* due to a 'wrong' motivation.

but your reaction was correct.

gain the essence of the post [1].

your intuition acts, immediately.

you *maybe* choose your words 'wrong'.

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subconscious, preconscious, conscious.

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>>  So your nationally induced sensitivity is your problem.  Keep it to yourself.
>>  If you do not, you very strongly communicate that your sensitivities are more
>>  important than every other sensitivity to which the author has already paid
>>  due respect.  Such egoistic behavior is typical of people who want others to
>>  feel bad because they perceive themselves as victims.  Cut it out.

>>  The whole world is well aware of the guilt-ridden German psyche, but I have
>>  one piece of /really/ good advice for you: Get the hell over it.

yes, get over it.

over the *unhealthy* part of the guilt.

*guilt* protects.

*healthy* 'guilt'.

be *proud* of your nationality.

but *never* forget.

*watch* - Germans, Norwegians, Greeks, Americans...!

*watch* *humans*.

the 'Uebermensch' [4], is between us.

>>  "Untermensch" is defined by Oxford's excellent dictionaries of the English
>>  Language this way

>>    a person considered racially or socially inferior.

>>  Of course it is a strong term that should elicit emotions,

I thought that "Untermensch" [5] is a german word.

Can Oxford's (excellent or not) dictionaries of the English Language
supersede a nations language? Especially a word with such a deep
historical meaning?

I don't know.

I'm undereducated.

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But it doesn't even matter.

View "Untermensch" - "a person considered racially or socially
inferior." ...

...in the context it was used: [1]

You'll get the 'german' 'definition' [2].

View "Untermensch" - "a person considered racially or socially
inferior." ...

...isolated.

analyze it.

"a person considered racially or socially inferior."

?

> Do you know who first used that word and how it was meant then?
> In my perception this word is meant to refer to a whole group not a single person
> which makes a great difference of course.

there is *no* difference.

there *is* no difference.

there *is* *no* *difference*.

>> but the arrogance
>>  and haughtiness of Germans who think their personal sensitivities should
>>  cause other people to curb their language and the things they can talk about
>>  is one of the most appalling cases of emotional blackmail and censorship
>>  around.

> You are right again. I take back my first post.

this sounds like "Der Kluegere gibt nach" [3]

But i must take care.

How is "Der Kluegere gibt nach" defined in Oxford's excellent dictionaries?

>> (Another most appalling case of same is how the Jews /milk/ their
>>  tragedy more than 50 years later.)  People who prey on the guilt that they
>>  want other people to feel should receive no sympathy whatsoever.

*healthy* 'guilt'.

> Rolf Wester

i'm happy that the new pizza-taxi i've tried has good pizza.

headache is better now.

i'm so tired.

time is running away.

and i'm still not ready.

today it looks like this.

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[5] Subhuman
       ^
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[4] Suphuman (Superior human being)
       ^
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[3] The smarter give on {free translation)

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[2]

Norwegian:
http://www.museumsnett.no/perspektivet/utstillinger/

English:
http://www.museumsnett.no/perspektivet/utstillinger/index-en.html

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[1]

a summary:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=amv45e$m7...@usenet.otenet.gr

"literally completely hopeless"

"hopeless from day 1"

"useless specimen of the human race"

"learning-impaired"

"worse"

"breed of untermensch"

"breed of untermensch"

introducing: "criminal".

"criminal"

"Coby Beck, the collaborationist of untermensch"

"taken over by untermensch"

"writings not believable"

"People who believe writings, don't care about them"

"totally, irrovocably hopeless"

"believe weird things"

"literally hopeless"

"opinionated asshole"

"who believes in some faulty premises"


 
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