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From: "Marcin Tustin" <Marc...@GUeswhatthisbitisfor.mindless.com>
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Subject: Re: Engineering Envy [was: Re: CL and UML]
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:51:17 +0100
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Erik Naggum <e...@naggum.net> wrote in message
news:3203608472172221@naggum.net...
> * Marcin Tustin
> > I assumed that the word "valid" was a given. I am talking here about
> > arguments referring to people being products of/affected by environments
> > and circumstances that they do not control.
>
>   I take it for granted that people have the ability to take control over
>   such things.  Still, I am open to your counter-evidence.
>
> > Getting a little hot under the collar?
>
>   Apparently, you do not take "valid" _that_ much as a given, but it _is_
>   sort of nice to see that you are actually out of control relative to
your
>   environment and circumstances.
>
> > The axioms of your discourse may not be the same as someone else's.
>
>   You realize, of course, that this is no more valid than the previous
>   nonsensical "argument" was.

    So you are saying that all people proceed from the same axioms?

[snip random rant]

>   Has it occurred to you that the axiom of different axioms for everybody
>   may not be shared by everybody, such that your ability to take part in a
>   discussion is limited to repeating your axiom to those who do not share
it?

    As I said, my comment was about your discussion, not a part of your
discussion - indeed, it can only be a (useful) part of a discussion about
discussion and discourse, and related subjects.

> #:Erik
> --
>   Travel is a meat thing.