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Ken Tilton

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More options Aug 30 2006, 2:13 am

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From: Ken Tilton <kentil...@gmail.com>

Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 02:13:25 -0400

Local: Wed, Aug 30 2006 2:13 am

Subject: Re: Lets talk about GUI and sound libraries

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Javier wrote:
> Suppose that I have in mind to write an application for normal users,
> not programmers, and not system administrators. For example, I like
> music applications, so supose that I'm going to write something similar
> to Cubase or Logic.
> (Actually this is just a desire, I know that making such a kind of
> applicattion is quite difficult and requires a lot of work.)

> Because my program is probably going to be Open Source, I cannot pay
> for a comercial compiler.

Nonsense. You are just broke or cheap.

> Elsewhere, I need speed, as it is going to be
> a real-time application, and of course it requires to do very efficent
> floating point calculations.
> My application is intended to run on MacOSX, Windows, and Linux. It is
> primary going to be designed, edited and debuged using OSX, and then
> ported to other plattforms.
> So my only alternative is SBCL, and praid to heaven for the Windows
> version to be avaiable some day.

You have this terrible problem because you are broke or cheap.

> I've been navigating thru cliki.net to see all the libraries avaiable
> for this issue, and I'm confussed.

> * I didn't find any library for GUI development except LTK that works
> on all the 3 major OS without issues.

Missing cells-gtk and (understandably) celtk (its a demo project under
Cells).

>.. But LTK is based on TK, it is
> slower,

Nonsense. You'll be using it for the GUI, not protein-folding.

> and I'm not so sure that it is going to respond OK when trying
> to add new widgets (like piano-rolls, score-editors, and so on),

Because you do not know anything about Tk.

> and
> Windows users needs to install TCL/TK previus to install my
> application.

Nonsense. Distribute the frickin DLLs with your app. <sigh>

> I also would like the library to produce nice-looking
> widgets for the users; this is very important. Using a GTK binding
> gives me a great headache: it works very nice on Linux, but there is
> not native OSX widgets yet (it uses X11 and most people just don't
> know/ want to install and/or use it), and for windows something similar
> happens.

This is open source you are trying to do in a really cheap, shoddy way
and you are worried about native widgets? You are the author of your own
unhappiness.

> * For sound libraries is even worse.

What about Snack? (not sure of the name). Oh, you cannot use Tcl because
you have no idea what you are doing.

> Almost all libraries are old and
> beta versions. I think that there is not even a single library that
> just makes sound to work on all OS. Some recomendations are welcome
> here.

CLM? Coomnon Music? Snack?

> So this is my frustation with Lisp.

"We have met the enemy, and he is us." Pogo

I suggest you use Java.

hth, kenny

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