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Message from discussion On nil qua false [was: Re: On conditionals]
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 More options Nov 28 2001, 3:38 am
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From: Ray Blaak <bl...@telus.net>
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:38:32 GMT
Local: Wed, Nov 28 2001 3:38 am
Subject: Re: On nil qua false [was: Re: On conditionals]
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Erik Naggum <e...@naggum.net> writes:
> | For the purposes of this discussion, the summary is: I don't buy that
> | metaphor, please use another one.

>   Then I will consider you a criminal in our little society, one who is
>   fighting "laws he consider immoral or meaningless" simply because he has
>   failed to think things through.

So who are you? Judge, jury and jailer?

How could criticism of Lisp in general and CL in particular be possibly
considered criminal? That is ridiculous. Criticism and discussion is hardly the
violation of any "law".

The only possible crime that could occur in the context of CL is to implement a
language that does not conform to the standard and then call it Common
Lisp. There are no other "laws" that could be violated.

When debating the merits of a language, however, anything goes, especially in a
usenet group.

Ideally, smart people who disagree about important issues offer criticisms.
Rebuttals are returned. In the ensuing debate the various tradeoffs are
realized and understood, and everyone is that much wiser, even if their
positions are not necessarily changed.

> * Erik Naggum
> > In time, you will see the wisdom that there are more than one right, that
> > the idea that there is "one right" is wrong, but that this does not mean
> > that one cannot determine that something will always be wrong no matter
> > what is right.

Even if you determine to your satisfaction that something is always wrong,
smart people can still disagree with you. If they are indeed incorrect, the
resulting discussion ideally should still be rewardingly illuminating to
all. If you get bored with repeating the same old arguments, you can point
people to a FAQ, let someone else carry the "fight", or else simply ignore
them.

Andreas's real crime here seems to be 1) that he is into Dylan, 2) thinks it's
in the Lisp family, and 3) has the audacity to criticize your favourite
language.

Where *else* can he discuss Lisp's shortcomings in a meaningful manner? The
people who can most intelligently correct the error of his ways hang out here.

--
Cheers,                                        The Rhythm is around me,
                                               The Rhythm has control.
Ray Blaak                                      The Rhythm is inside me,
bl...@telus.net                                The Rhythm has my soul.


 
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