It's as if you're trapped in a nightmarish episode
of Tales From The Dark Side featuring the Energizer Bunny
(but oh so definitely not as cute) where someone with a sense
for things horrific keeps on replacing the batteries.

Boom, boom, boom... and going, and going, and...

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! Please God, make it stop.

*diabolical laughter echoes resonantly*

Rajappa Iyer <r...@panix.com> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
n7yr9bwg1c1....@panix6.panix.com...

Of course I only know this from hearsay and cannot be sure that it is true.

Janos Blazi

  and so another blathering moron feels it's safe to come back.  sigh.

  can somebody _please_ take Janos Blazi's side and proclaim loud and clear
  that they support everything he does and will do in the next eight to
  twelve weeks (if the past is any measure of his endurance) and stand by
  him with their own personal prestige at stake?  Coby Beck?  Stig Hemmer?
  you guys have an opportunity now to put your money where your mouths are
  and actually associate with one of the worst cretins in this newsgroup
  and give him your full and lasting support at the time it matters most.
  caring early _will_ avoid the problem of having to condone past behavior
  when you had no psychological influence over it.

  cease and desist, Joe Kraska.  you haven't won the right to continue on
  your own, yet.  Coby Beck and Stig Hemmer still have to give you their
  full moral support, for instance.  the newsgroup as a whole must also
  give a clear and resounding message to you that we all want more of you.
  when you receive the strong "go" signal you apparently take for granted,
  you may proceed with the expected abandon.  until then, shut the fuck up.

btw, that Xah guy was the stupidest poster I've ever seen on any
newsgroup, by far.  He was a waste of resources.

He has my full moral support to post here.  Though why he, let alone you, would think
that matters is beyond me.

I think you and i have very different views on what a newsgroup is.  To me, you have
the attitude that might go with a mailing list with restricted access where you are the
committee of one that accepts and rejects new members.  Well, i'm sorry, but this is a
public place, the right to be here is inherent.  Abuse of that right is inevitable and
unfortunate and with the lack of a moderator, delicate to deal with effectively.  But
you, Erik Naggum, are by far and away the worst noise maker here, whatever your
motives.

Janos Blazi, too, is welcome here by me.

Though obviously the line about supporting "everything he does and will do" is not a
reasonable pre-condition for being welcome.  How many people do you think support
*everything* _you_ do and say, Erik?

Erik Naggum <e...@naggum.no> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
3165559296774...@naggum.no...

  you always are.  after the fact.  now go away.

  it's not about being _welcome_, and you know it.  I suggest you support
  him early instead of later when you have no influence over what he does.
  right now, you can change his behavior so he doesn't need flaming.  if
  you don't want to do this, don't even _consider_ complaining when he
  becomes the blaterhing moron he always has been and always will be, and
  the consequences pile up.  (yes, this is a rare judgment of a _person_.)

  great!  you are now responsible for his actions, and he for hurting you
  through his mindless activity.  I hope you enjoy morons.

| But you, Erik Naggum, are by far and away the worst noise maker here,
| whatever your motives.

  you don't even read what I wrote, preferring to read into it whatever you
  like, so tell me why your fantasy is of any concern to me before you want
  me to become part of it.

  merely refrain from annoying me with more of your pathetic blathering,
  and there will be less noise -- it's that simple, and always has been.
  do _your_ part in making this a quality newsgroup.  if you don't _want_
  to make it better, you have no business complaining about anything.  if
  you have other ways to make it better than mine, by all means, _use_
  them.  if they don't work, you will of course accept defeat.  if they
  work, preferably better than mine, I have no need to do anything.  this
  should be a golden opportunity for you to get the newsgroup _you_ want.
  make the most of it, Coby.  _accept_ the responsibility of a complainer.

  you mean you and Janos Blazi are the same person?  that explains a lot.

  cease and desist, Joe Kraska.

I'm tired of veracious rants, so i'll be straight forward.
I will apologize not  because it is my style, but to make myself clearer.
Sorry about the mess i wrung in February, and i appreciate you lending me an
ear for a moment of mutual understanding now.

I do not know lisp, really, thus i do not appreciate many deep discussions
here. However, I think the word 'appreciation' is under appreciated. If i
were suddenly to converse with Einstein, his relativity would be nonsense to
me. If i were to hark Beethoven in his time, his 9th would fall on deaf
ears. If Shakespear were to travel in time, similarly, i'm sure he would not
understand my talking of the Internet.

I remember watching an episode of The Simpsons cartoon, where a Jazz
musician is playing an unusual piece in a bar. One audience grumbled "What
was THAT?" and Lisa Simpson said helpfully: "you have to listen to the notes
not played", then the guy said "I can do that at home!".

The point of 'appreciation' -- besides the 'thankful' meaning -- is that
developed artifacts require conditioning and sometimes significant intellect
to _appreciate_. Honestly, how many of you here can understand Chinese
calligraphy? Count Bach's counterpoint? Perceive Dickinson's furor on paper?
Visualize theories of polytope? Or, how many of you would smile when a pun
in French is spoken? How many of you can _get_ "Perl poetry"?
 http://www.itknowledge.com/tpj/contest-poetry.html
How many of you can realize a Picasso?

An elegant Scheme would not sing in front of an industrious C droid; i'm
sure many of you can appreciate that one!

There are 'infinite' number of developed artifacts and one cannot develop
appreciation for them all. It would be all right to not understand
something, but it would be imbecilic to put judgements on things one don't
understand. This is especially important in newsgroups, because almost every
public posts are now archived. Anyone can in minutes discover all writings
and thoughts of another on the net. If i don't understand lisp, it would be
wise to not bray about how lisp is stupid or otherwise criticize, because my
stupidity would be archived and open for all in the know to see. (By the by
the way, i have committed no such stupidity. (i hope))

--

I had a fictitious dream yesterday, where i was nominated a Nobel Prize
laureate in Literature and was going to give my reception speech to a
thousand voracious lurkers in appreciation, then a voice in the crowd
shouted:

Thank you Dave Dakhash for your plebeian ear. I fully appreciate your raw
candor. If everyone in the world are guile and cunning like me,
'appreciation' would be fucked in the ass.

PS There was Planner, there was Conniver, and we have Guile and we have
Scheme. Can we have Cunning? (i wanna be a cunnilingual programer.)

PS while composing this message, there comes
 http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/index/6/0,8377,62066,00.html
That, is serious shit. My god it stinks.

 Xah
 x...@xahlee.org
 http://xahlee.org/PageTwo_dir/more.html

It's strange that immediately after Erik stated that if he ever
stopped flooding the NG with his crazy rants we would be invaded by
"cretins", a true "cretin" (Erik dixit) comes back to life...

Funny coincidence, indeed.  ;-)  Obviously, someone  has too much free
time on his hands to prove his point of view.  Get a life, "Xah".

M.

  is this a cry for help to learn how to instruct your newsreader to ignore
  threads?  I have always labored under the "misconception" that USENET is
  a medium where selectivity in reading is as much a requirement as with
  any other news medium -- namely that if you aren't selective, you'll go
  mad from sheer information overload.  to aid those who agree with this, I
  don't change the subject of threads unless I want to break continuity,
  and that happens almost as seldom as changing the newsgroup.  (speaking
  of which, why is it a good idea to bug a new and different audience with
  a topic if the only constructive element to a "take it elswhere" is to
  get rid of noise?)  I'm very disappointed that this is not appreciated by
  those who obviously don't want to read "tiresome" material, and I get
  annoyed when they go out of their way to make more noise about the noise,
  usually blaming others for their meta-noise in the process, triggering
  the _normal_ and _expected_ reactions to false accusations and general
  blame-throwing.  the only way to reduce noise is to figure out what it
  comes from and help fix the core problem.  complaining about noise _is_
  noise, by definition.

  but frankly, complaining about news _volume_ (which is what this boils
  down to, much more than signal vs noise) means you have missed a crucial
  point about communication.  tuning in and tuning out, focusing attention,
  and following up the listening with _caring_ is so fundamental to our
  ability to sorting signal from noise in real life that I can't imagine
  how people work who are irritated by stuff they profess to ignore, and so
  it always amazes me that people think it's somebody _else's_ fault if
  they care about the noise they "suffer".

  the best possible remedy to news overload is to read news on a machine
  that displays messages fast enough that you can actually browse them and
  let your trained reader eye spot information that is _important_ to you
  among all the noise that _inevitably_ fills up your sensory input system.
  it may be one of the great "failings" of artificial intelligence and the
  Internet as a whole that _all_ information has an air of _importance_
  associated with it, simply by virtue of requiring nonzero effort to come
  by it, but being able to discard the unimportant and leave the important
  is _crucial_ to surviving in the information age.

Cheers,
M.

it is apparent that you not only have a poor diction, but also wanting of
erudition. The sea of your will and knowledge, seethes and fumes like a
boiling pot of piss.

i have a lesson for smart asses,
that poesy is not found in thesaurus,
but thesaurus is the foundry of poem,
only if you are not an ass.

PS just checked my archived messages. Haven't you said you killfiled both me
& Erik in message id 2o90bs877la8hv2jitjtugh1vd1rder...@4ax.com ?
http://x25.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=587614997&CONTEXT=956813950.1829
240863&hitnum=90

I guess it's the revival of the living dead.

  the rule applies to those who appeal to the public for moral
  support.  clearly, that's what you do, too, so it applies to you.

Sorry.