I have a old Symbolics 3620 with full source tapes.
Is there an emulator so I could run it's Lisp environment on a modern computer. (Linux or Windows.) My Lisp Machine is getting rather old--I bought it used 8 years ago. The programming environment is very nice--everything's intergrated and it never crashes. (But, the monitor cable is busted so I can't use it until I find a new one.)
I heard of VLEE--could I use it to load my tapes, in theroy.
Are the tapes now in the public domain--since Symbolics is no longer in business or does someone else own the rights to them.
I have also heard about TI Exploror emulators--where can I get them.
Is their any project I can join to create a GNU OpenSouce Lisp OS kind of like Genera.
Is it possible, in theroy, to turn Linux into Genera or at least create a Symbolics emulator capable of loading a Lisp World/Image File.
And, lastly how would I get my old data tapes into a format that newer computers without tape drives could use.
Thanks for any help you can offer.
PS
Since Symbolics is no longer in business is it legal for me to reverse engineer the machine, so I can try to hopefully turn an off the shelf computer into a Symbolics Emulator. (If I am mistaken Symbolics is still in business--could somebody provide me with contact info. And also tell me if they are planning to create a new Lisp machine--I'd be intrested in buying one in a year or two if the price was right.)
In article <b3b6b110.0303301231.593a3...@posting.google.com>, Symbolics_XL1201_Sebek_Budo_Ka...@hotmail.com (Franz Kafka) wrote:
> I have a old Symbolics 3620 with full source tapes.
> Is there an emulator so I could run it's Lisp environment on a > modern computer. (Linux or Windows.) My Lisp Machine is getting > rather old--I bought it used 8 years ago. The programming environment > is very nice--everything's intergrated and it never crashes. (But, the > monitor cable is busted so I can't use it until I find a new one.)
> I heard of VLEE--could I use it to load my tapes, in theroy.
> Are the tapes now in the public domain--since Symbolics is no longer > in business or does someone else own the rights to them.
Symbolics is still in business. Contact David K. Schmidt at dkschmidt -at- compuserve.com for more information. They promised to have a website up at http://www.symbolics.com for quite some time, but it's still not up.
OpenGenera was a kind of virtual Symbolics Lisp machine on top of Alpha processors. If you can grab a copy of OpenGenera, you should be able to run it either on a used Alpha machine (possibly available at ebay), or on tap of an Alpha emulator.
Note that I haven't tested these things by myself, this is all second hand information.
All the best, Pascal
-- "If I could explain it, I wouldn't be able to do it." A.M.McKenzie
> I have a old Symbolics 3620 with full source tapes.
> Is there an emulator so I could run it's Lisp environment on a > modern computer. (Linux or Windows.) My Lisp Machine is getting > rather old--I bought it used 8 years ago. The programming environment > is very nice--everything's intergrated and it never crashes. (But, the > monitor cable is busted so I can't use it until I find a new one.)
> I heard of VLEE--could I use it to load my tapes, in theroy.
> Are the tapes now in the public domain--since Symbolics is no longer > in business or does someone else own the rights to them.
> I have also heard about TI Exploror emulators--where can I get them.
> Is their any project I can join to create a GNU OpenSouce Lisp OS kind > of > like Genera.
> Is it possible, in theroy, to turn Linux into Genera or at least > create a > Symbolics emulator capable of loading a Lisp World/Image File.
> And, lastly how would I get my old data tapes into a format that newer > computers without tape drives could use.
> Thanks for any help you can offer.
> PS
> Since Symbolics is no longer in business is it legal for me to reverse > engineer the machine, so I can try to hopefully turn an off the shelf > computer into a Symbolics Emulator. (If I am mistaken Symbolics is > still in business--could somebody provide me with contact info. And > also tell me if they are planning to create a new Lisp machine--I'd be > intrested in buying one in a year or two if the price was right.)
I have create Vlee and rev 0.1.1 is on alpha revision and not run for long time because i not have debug all type of micro/macro istruction. This emulator startup image of ivory board for machintosh. I have find another people with Symbolics for start decoding of microistruction with fep/debugger. But people with symbolics is very little group, and not have time or interest for this project. For your cable send mail to Peter Paine at http://www.abstractscience.freeserve.co.uk/symbolics/ . Peter have more copy of tape of symbolics. I have call Peter for purchase one 3620 but not have define shipment, this opportunity is vanished . The Symbolics porting into Alpha is very expansive and my contact with symbolics people, (kalman reti) r...@mit.edu it has communicated to me that the symbolics it is not interested to continue the support hardware and that porting towards the other platforms or porting of a version GNU of the OPENGENERA will not be sure the road that the owner will want to cover. The web site of symbolics.com is allocate but not up. You can use my mirror image update at last up of this site www.newcomnp.it/symbolics
DK Schmidt was still selling MacIvory II (I bought one, not cheap) boards for Nubus m68k Mac's including Genera 8.3 and layered software last year. I don't know, if some are still available. Additionally the were some XL1200 available (image the freight costs if you are living in Europe).
The ti-explorer emulator is available at http://www.unlambda.com/lispm/, but it is not complete and running. It seems to me, that the development progress is quite low to nil. You can get some documetation and boot images for the ti-explorer at this site.
Pascal Costanza <costa...@web.de> writes: > OpenGenera was a kind of virtual Symbolics Lisp machine on top of Alpha > processors. If you can grab a copy of OpenGenera, you should be able to
>> OpenGenera was a kind of virtual Symbolics Lisp machine on top of Alpha >> processors. If you can grab a copy of OpenGenera, you should be able to
> Is OpenGenera available for download somewhere?
It's not "Open" in that way, i.e. not "Open Source" or something. You can buy it from Symbolics, but it is not cheap. (I seem to remember somthing like 5000$).
Henrik Motakef <henrik.mota...@web.de> writes: > Petter Gustad <newsmailco...@gustad.com> writes: > > Is OpenGenera available for download somewhere?
> It's not "Open" in that way, i.e. not "Open Source" or something. You > can buy it from Symbolics, but it is not cheap. (I seem to remember > somthing like 5000$).
Urgh - that's quite too much for toying around for self education and curiosity...
> > I have a old Symbolics 3620 with full source tapes.
> > Is there an emulator so I could run it's Lisp environment on a > > modern computer. (Linux or Windows.) My Lisp Machine is getting > > rather old--I bought it used 8 years ago. The programming environment > > is very nice--everything's intergrated and it never crashes. (But, the > > monitor cable is busted so I can't use it until I find a new one.)
> > I heard of VLEE--could I use it to load my tapes, in theroy.
> > Are the tapes now in the public domain--since Symbolics is no longer > > in business or does someone else own the rights to them.
> Symbolics is still in business. Contact David K. Schmidt at dkschmidt > -at- compuserve.com for more information. They promised to have a > website up at http://www.symbolics.com for quite some time, but it's still not up.
> OpenGenera was a kind of virtual Symbolics Lisp machine on top of Alpha > processors. If you can grab a copy of OpenGenera, you should be able to > run it either on a used Alpha machine (possibly available at ebay), or > on tap of an Alpha emulator.
> Note that I haven't tested these things by myself, this is all second > hand information.
