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LISP - The Spirit of Lisp - Transparency!

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ilias

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Oct 8, 2002, 12:46:29 PM10/8/02
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the people around lisp talk. they talk and talk and talk.

the people around lisp design. they design and design and design.

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there is a trap.

once you start to design a lisp interpreter, you'll recognise that you
fall into this trap.

do, try design, talk, try, talk make.

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i escaped from this trap, early.

i've continued my waste-of-time-project in C++ Builder. Having some of
the information about LISP in background i understand some more things.

Lisp has solutions for may things. But has to many deficit

The way?

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Smalltalk.

Without knowing much about it.

Knowing only that its similar to lisp due to its architecture (image
based, realtime modifications) but strongly objectoriented.

Thats the way.

The Entry point.

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But maybe i'm wrong.

The only thing i know for sure:

*Common* LISP is not the way.

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*Common* LISP is an example for the failure of human being.

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*Scheme* is an example for the failure of human being.

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I could spit into your faces.

Respectless savages.

Ruined this genious invention.

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of course i'll be back.

cannot await to blame you.

when i've the *facts* to do.

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and i *will* blame you.

and i will *explain* it...

with 'apples'.

be sure!

nearly *everyone* will understand.

what you have done.

to the little baby.

lisp.

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...

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The Spirit of Lisp - Transparency!

Andreas Wild

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Oct 8, 2002, 1:21:48 PM10/8/02
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> [.....]
> and i *will* blame you.
>
> and i will *explain* it...
>
> with 'apples'.
>
> be sure!
>
> nearly *everyone* will understand.
>
> what you have done.
>
> to the little baby.
>
> lisp.
>
> -
>
> ...
>
> -
>
> The Spirit of Lisp - Transparency!
>

*If* I would have searched a posting like that I'm sure that I'd looked
for a newsgroup called

*comp.lang.poetry* or
*comp.opensource.lyrics*.

The imagination of going down on my knees in front of a beloved person
with some pretty flowers (still) in my hands and recitating the above
text makes me feeling very romantic.

Andi

ilias

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Oct 8, 2002, 1:58:20 PM10/8/02
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poor soul.

Blair McGlashan

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Oct 8, 2002, 6:39:04 PM10/8/02
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"ilias" <at_...@pontos.net> wrote in message
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>....

> and i *will* blame you.
>
> and i will *explain* it...
>
> with 'apples'.
>
> be sure!
>
> nearly *everyone* will understand.
>
> what you have done.
>
> to the little baby.
>
> lisp.

Hmmm, maybe I'm wrong. Its not Eliza. Its an attempt at the monkeys with
typewriters and Shakespeare problem. Not a bad one, but very irritating.

Regards

Blair


David Rush

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Oct 8, 2002, 6:00:16 PM10/8/02
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And here I thought you were getting civilized...

ilias <at_...@pontos.net> writes:
> Lisp has solutions for may things. But has to many deficit

If you'd spend a year actually writing code in some Lisp variant, I
imagine that you'd feel differently.

> The way? ... Smalltalk.

Well, yeah. For a lot of things. Been there, done that, tie-dyed the
T-shirt.

> Without knowing much about it.

So what else is new?

> Knowing only that its similar to lisp due to its architecture (image
> based, realtime modifications) but strongly objectoriented.

You missed this boat before you even *thought* about getting in the
car and driving down to the dock...

david rush
--
As I've gained more experience with Perl it strikes me that it resembles
Lisp in many ways, albeit Lisp as channeled by an awk script on acid.
-- Tim Moore (on comp.lang.lisp)

Raymond Wiker

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Oct 9, 2002, 3:22:48 AM10/9/02
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"Blair McGlashan" <bl...@object-arts.com> writes:

Which proves that just a single monkey with a typewriter is
not enough, even if the typewriter is actually a computer.

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Faried Nawaz

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Oct 9, 2002, 8:27:38 AM10/9/02
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ilias <at_...@pontos.net> wrote in message news:<anv1jo$f18$1...@usenet.otenet.gr>...

> i escaped from this trap, early.

So long. I'd say it's been nice knowing you, but, really, it hasn't.


Faried.
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If I wanted a GF, Values, not variables.
I'd use CL.

Justin Johnson

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Oct 9, 2002, 8:41:50 AM10/9/02
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This smacks to me of trying to learn a language and then thinking that
'grass is greener on the other side...'

I like LISP. I like Smalltalk. I like most languages. I especially like
languages like LISP and Smalltalk because they have pure design principles
at the lowest level (Smalltalk - everything objects, LISP - Program and data
are the same/S-Expressions).

When languages are bolstered to become useful in a commercial/industrial
sense, they become bigger and in some ways perhaps feel less simple. This
is not necessarily a bad thing. IMHO, Common LISP is still pure at heart.

Perhaps you find Common LISP overwhelming? Nobody is forcing you to use it.

> and i will *explain* it...
>
> with 'apples'.

And I'm sure you'll be answered with 'oranges'.

--
Justin Johnson

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