* Paolo Amoroso | Are there any particular projects worth working on, or ideas worth thinking | about and experimenting with?
Several years ago, I started to write glue code to talk to Unix from CMUCL and then from Allegro CL, and called it clunix. (The people who have taken all the domain names have indeed been true to the intended pronunciation -- clue-nix.) Basically what the Perl, Python, or Ruby people have been doing, but with palatable syntax and abstraction traditions.
As for the primary similarity between Unix and Common Lisp, an interactive environment where you can define functions and run them in a shell, I keep wondering why nobody have thought of Common Lisp for the shell. `scsh´ is not a bad idea, but whatever elegance Scheme has appears to have drowned, as it so often does when Scheme is exposed to the real world, like `guile´.
-- Erik Naggum, Oslo, Norway
Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder. Act from faith, and failure makes you blame someone and push harder.
* Hartmann Schaffer wrote: > wouldn't it be more useful to have a link from the hyperspec to the > commentary?
Yes, and that's what amaya's annotations do by some magic, and what I was suggesting could probably also be done for ordinary browsers by something that interposed itself between the spec and the user.
> As for the primary similarity between Unix and Common Lisp, an interactive > environment where you can define functions and run them in a shell, I keep > wondering why nobody have thought of Common Lisp for the shell.
thelifter wrote: > So maybe the best idea would be to create a new language(together with > a specification), based on Lisp of course but with the advantage of > having the hindsight of 40 years of Lisp experience. Paul Graham is > doing this, just go to his site (www.paulgraham.com) to learn about > "Arc". ... > But then why not reinvent Lisp? See above.
Paul Graham is doing the 'right' thing and i know (intuitive) that he'll have an excellent result.
This of course only, if he manages to follow the rules he has set up in his articles.
But i don't think that it will be the exceptional, breaking-through new language.
His mind is trained to think in the paths of LISP.
An for creating exceptional, breaking-through technology, you need 'virgin' brains (free and uninfluenced thinking paths) with exceptional analytic strength and creativity.
>[...] >Last thing I heard was that they give VISA cards even to 16 year olds >in Germany, nowadays.
If you pay for it, and probably with a not so high credit amount...
>I can hardly imagine how anybody can survive >without a VISA card;
In Germany? You can pay cash almost everywhere, and the rest can be done by bank money orders (Überweisungen) or deduction permits (Abbuchungsgenehmigung). I don't know any kind of domestic money transaction in Germany where you *need* credit cards for, in fact.
>getting one is probably even more important than >having a copy of the C standard :-)
That might still be true, even if the priority to get credit cards isn't all too high, as described above :-)
Erik Naggum <e...@naggum.no> wrote in message <news:3239744744043954@naggum.no>... > How come people with the most misguided political ideas believe revolution > is the answer and people with reasonable political ideas manage to succeed > in slowly transforming their society to their liking? Please think about it.
han...@schlund.de (Hannah Schroeter) writes: > Tim Bradshaw <t...@cley.com> wrote: > >* Dorai Sitaram wrote: > >> Now you're scaring off all the vegetarians who > >> might have liked Lisp.
> >vegetarian sushi is really nice.
> What's that?!
> I thought that one definition of sushi is that it's made of fish?!
Well, yes. But usually you also get a few pieces with only cucumber or ginger or something. It still tastes somewhat like sushi because of the specially prepared rice (cooked with Sake I think).
Regards, -- Nils Goesche Ask not for whom the <CONTROL-G> tolls.
thelifter <thelif...@gmx.net> wrote: >Hmmm, maybe we should still all be using Fortran?
Perhaps I should quote something from a book named Artificial Intelligence Techniques by Alan Bundy (ed.):
95 FORTRAN
FORTRAN is the programming language considered by many to be the natural successor of Lisp and Prolog for AI research. Its advantages include:
- it is very efficient for numerical computation (many AI programs rely heavily on number-crunching techniques).
- AI problems tend to be very poorly structured, meaning that control needs to move frequently from one part of a program to another. FORTRAN provides a special mechanism for achieving this, the so-called GOTO statement.
- FORTRAN provides a very efficient data structure, the array, which is particularly useful if, for example, one wishes to process a collection of English sentences each of which has the same length.
han...@schlund.de (Hannah Schroeter) wrote: > Tim Bradshaw <t...@cley.com> wrote: >>vegetarian sushi is really nice.
> What's that?!
> I thought that one definition of sushi is that it's made of fish?!
> Kind regards,
> Hannah.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition: su·shi n. "Cold cooked rice dressed with vinegar that is shaped into bite-sized pieces and topped with raw or cooked fish, or formed into a roll with fish, egg, or vegetables and wrapped in seaweed"
The topping's not the defining factor - much like pizza is pizza pretty much whatever you put on top. Mind you I've got a pretty liberal definition - one of my local places has sushi with turkey breast, asparagus, you name it. Hardly traditional but _very_ nice.
> >Last thing I heard was that they give VISA cards even to 16 year olds > >in Germany, nowadays.
> If you pay for it,
For a VISA? Parents give cell phones to their children nowadays. Guess what's more expensive ;-)
> and probably with a not so high credit amount...
Maybe with none at all. You also have the option that they withdraw the money from your account immediately after you spent the money.
> >I can hardly imagine how anybody can survive > >without a VISA card;
> In Germany? You can pay cash almost everywhere, and the rest can be > done by bank money orders (Überweisungen) or deduction permits > (Abbuchungsgenehmigung). I don't know any kind of domestic money > transaction in Germany where you *need* credit cards for, in fact.
No, you don't /need/ one. You don't /need/ microwave ovens, either. That's how we Germans are. I only have a microwave oven because my Japanese wife insisted on buying one.
Once you get used to paying with credit cards (and I buy lots of stuff in the US or UK over the internet) it's really nice, just... convenient. I know the number by heart. You don't have to check your wallet before entering an expensive restaurant or a shop or anything, no matter in which country you are; no fiddling with change and you never get to hear the larmoyant question ``Ham Se's nich n bißchen kleiner?'' again :-)
Regards, -- Nils Goesche Ask not for whom the <CONTROL-G> tolls.
* Hannah Schroeter | What's that?! | | I thought that one definition of sushi is that it's made of fish?!
Given that vegetarians eat what is eaten by the animals killed for food that real people eat, vegetarian sushi should be made up of the food that the fish that will not be killed for food eat. Sea weeds, algae, accidentally drowned Yakuza members, etc.
-- Erik Naggum, Oslo, Norway
Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder. Act from faith, and failure makes you blame someone and push harder.
Tim Bradshaw <t...@cley.com> writes: > One thing that could be done would be to produce an `annotated > hyperspec'. I don't know how easy it is to do in practice but some > web browsers (amaya is one), let you define annotations on bits of web > pages.
Just for the record: The annotation magic is not so much an Amaya thing, but one of W3Cs "Annotea" server (see http://www.w3.org/2001/Annotea/). Amaya is only one client for this, there are plugins for IE and Mozilla mentioned at Annoteas website.
In article <87lm6nhtpt....@darkstar.cartan>, Nils Goesche <n...@cartan.de> wrote: > han...@schlund.de (Hannah Schroeter) writes:
> > Tim Bradshaw <t...@cley.com> wrote: > > >* Dorai Sitaram wrote: > > >> Now you're scaring off all the vegetarians who > > >> might have liked Lisp.
> > >vegetarian sushi is really nice.
> > What's that?!
> > I thought that one definition of sushi is that it's made of fish?!
> Well, yes.
Well, no. The defining characteristic of sushi is rice (strictly speaking, a particular kind of rice) prepared so that the grains stick together and seasoned with rice vinegar. Vegetarian sushi is still sushi. (The defining characteristic of *sashimi*, on the other hand, is raw fish. There is no such thing as vegetarian sashimi.)
> > > Tim Bradshaw <t...@cley.com> wrote: > > > >vegetarian sushi is really nice.
> > > What's that?!
> > > I thought that one definition of sushi is that it's made of fish?!
> > Well, yes.
> Well, no. The defining characteristic of sushi is rice > (strictly speaking, a particular kind of rice) prepared so that > the grains stick together and seasoned with rice vinegar. > Vegetarian sushi is still sushi.
I just asked my wife what the defining characteristic of sushi is. For some reason, she didn't answer and laughed very hard at me. But I guess you're right about this, although I don't know why anybody would eat vegetarian sushi.
> (The defining characteristic of *sashimi*, on the other hand, > is raw fish. There is no such thing as vegetarian sashimi.)
True.
> What this has to do with Lisp eludes me.
Me too.
Regards, -- Nils Goesche Ask not for whom the <CONTROL-G> tolls.
g...@jpl.nasa.gov (Erann Gat) writes: > Well, no. The defining characteristic of sushi is rice (strictly > speaking, a particular kind of rice) prepared so that the grains stick > together and seasoned with rice vinegar. Vegetarian sushi is still > sushi. (The defining characteristic of *sashimi*, on the other hand, is > raw fish. There is no such thing as vegetarian sashimi.)
> What this has to do with Lisp eludes me.
There is a strong link betwen hackerism (sp?) and oriental culture, specially japanese. A noticeable percentaje of computer scientist are married with japanese women. And lisp is certainly a hacker's language AFAIK :)
Erik Naggum <e...@naggum.no> writes: > Given that vegetarians eat what is eaten by the animals killed for food that > real people eat, vegetarian sushi should be made up of the food that the > fish that will not be killed for food eat. Sea weeds, algae, accidentally > drowned Yakuza members, etc.
I hope that they will get rid of the tatoos first. Mostly for aesthetics :)
han...@schlund.de (Hannah Schroeter) writes: > Tim Bradshaw <t...@cley.com> wrote: > >* Dorai Sitaram wrote: > >> Now you're scaring off all the vegetarians who > >> might have liked Lisp.
> >vegetarian sushi is really nice.
> What's that?!
> I thought that one definition of sushi is that it's made of fish?!
A favorite of mine is avacado and cucumber surrounded by rice in a nori wrapper. A little more interesting than kappa-maki.
I don't know the exact relationship between this version of it and the $26 one. Probably just a matter of whether the document says "ISO/IEC" on it or "INCITS/ISO/IEC".
-- Gareth McCaughan Gareth.McCaug...@pobox.com .sig under construc
"ilias" wrote: > An for creating exceptional, breaking-through technology, you need > 'virgin' brains (free and uninfluenced thinking paths) with exceptional > analytic strength and creativity.
I think this is a myth. (The first part, not the second.) Breakthroughs generally come from people who are very familiar with the existing state of the art. As a rule: Experts make revolutions; "virgin brains" make crackpottery.
-- Gareth McCaughan Gareth.McCaug...@pobox.com .sig under construc
han...@schlund.de (Hannah Schroeter) wrote: > Tim Bradshaw <t...@cley.com> wrote: >>* Dorai Sitaram wrote: >>> Now you're scaring off all the vegetarians who >>> might have liked Lisp.
>>vegetarian sushi is really nice.
> What's that?!
> I thought that one definition of sushi is that it's made of fish?!
Strictly speaking, "sushi" is the seasoned rice that the fish goes on top of. So it is not a contradiction in terms to have "vegetarian sushi." But this should doubtless be taken to alt.food.sushi... -- (reverse (concatenate 'string "moc.enworbbc@" "sirhc")) http://cbbrowne.com/info/linux.html Rules of the Evil Overlord #172. "I will allow guards to operate under a flexible work schedule. That way if one is feeling sleepy, he can call for a replacement, punch out, take a nap, and come back refreshed and alert to finish out his shift. <http://www.eviloverlord.com/>
> Tim Bradshaw <t...@cley.com> wrote: > >* Dorai Sitaram wrote: > >> Now you're scaring off all the vegetarians who > >> might have liked Lisp.
> >vegetarian sushi is really nice.
> What's that?!
> I thought that one definition of sushi is that it's made of fish?!
Almost. The definition is that it's made with sushi rice (rice with a vinegar/water/salt/sugar/sake[1] mix) and it maty contain fish, raw or uncooked. Raw fish is "sashimi".
//Ingvar [1] If I remember correctly, I don't usually make sushi, I only eat it. -- When C++ is your hammer, everything looks like a thumb Latest seen from Steven M. Haflich, in c.l.l
