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Stig Hemmer  
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 More options Aug 2 1999, 3:00 am
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From: Stig Hemmer <s...@pvv.ntnu.no>
Date: 1999/08/02
Subject: Re: cautios question (about languages)

Matt Curtin <cmcur...@interhack.net> writes:
> According to http://www.schemers.org/, the IEEE standard is due to
> expire this year and it appears that no one has picked up the ball to
> revise it (which is required to prevent expiration).

What would the practical consequences be of the standard expiring?

Stig Hemmer,
Jack of a Few Trades.


 
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Discussion subject changed to "Core Lisp (was Re: cautios question (about languages))" by Rob Warnock
Rob Warnock  
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From: r...@rigden.engr.sgi.com (Rob Warnock)
Date: 1999/08/03
Subject: Re: Core Lisp (was Re: cautios question (about languages))
Rainer Joswig <jos...@lavielle.com> wrote:

+---------------
| r...@rigden.engr.sgi.com (Rob Warnock) wrote:
| > | Isn't it the MIT *LCS* together with the AI Lab?
| >
| > I stand corrected. It is indeed LCS, together with the EE&CS department.
| > (The AI Lab wasn't mentioned, as far as I can see.)
|
| See:  http://www.sciam.com/1999/0899issue/0899dertouzos.html
...
|   involves some 30 faculty members from the Laboratory for
|   Computer Science, working in collaboration with the M.I.T.
|   Artificial Intelligence Lab.
+---------------

I guess that's what I get from reading the paper copy -- an unreliable
"grep"!! Yes, it was mentioned in the paper version, at the end of the
14th paragraph of the article (on the 3rd page), but not in any of the
end-of-article credits where I looked before posting the referenced reply.
(*blush*)

So we have LCS, EE&CS, and AI Lab. Anybody else?  ;-}

-Rob

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Discussion subject changed to "cautios question (about languages)" by Kent M Pitman
Kent M Pitman  
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 More options Aug 3 1999, 3:00 am
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From: Kent M Pitman <pit...@world.std.com>
Date: 1999/08/03
Subject: Re: cautios question (about languages)

Stig Hemmer <s...@pvv.ntnu.no> writes:
> Matt Curtin <cmcur...@interhack.net> writes:
> > According to http://www.schemers.org/, the IEEE standard is due to
> > expire this year and it appears that no one has picked up the ball to
> > revise it (which is required to prevent expiration).

> What would the practical consequences be of the standard expiring?

Yeah, this is kinda like having your "membership" in the American
Express Card run out....  Gives the telemarketers an excuse to churn
the customer base.

 
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Matthias Hölzl  
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From: Matthias Hölzl <hoe...@informatik.uni-muenchen.de>
Date: 1999/08/03
Subject: Re: cautios question (about languages)

Juanma Barranquero wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jul 1999 19:08:51 +0200, Matthias Hölzl
> <hoe...@informatik.uni-muenchen.de> wrote:

[About the Design by Contract package]

> >Yes, see <http://www.gauss.muc.de/tools/dbc/dbc-intro.html>

> I tried to use it with ACL 5.0, but it didn't work.

I removed the pre- and postcondition documentation strings which caused
ACL 5.0
to fail.  The new version of the DBC package is available from the above
location.

Thanks for the error report,

  Matthias


 
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Erik Naggum  
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From: Erik Naggum <e...@naggum.no>
Date: 1999/08/09
Subject: Re: cautios question (about languages)
* Christopher Browne
| Are you just a vulgar CLer that read anti-CL sentiment into questions
| whether such sentiment was intended or not?

  well, I recognize _your_ intent.

| When he has asked about several possible paradigms, and how CL might fit
| with them, how, precisely does this represent an implication that CL must
| forcibly be "reduced" to use one paradigm?

  because the questions asked did not indicate that the requestor
  understood that multiple paradigms could be supported by one language.

| I think you're seeing a conspiracy of "Evil Schemers" against CL where
| there isn't one.

  I can beat that: I _know_ you see evil intentions that aren't there.
  I also think you're stupid who can't see more than one way to read my
  anti-Scheme articles and go on to fault me for your own poor vision.

#:Erik
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Kenneth P. Turvey  
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From: ktur...@pug1.sprocketshop.com (Kenneth P. Turvey)
Date: 1999/08/09
Subject: Re: cautios question (about languages)
On 09 Aug 1999 14:25:12 +0000, Erik Naggum <e...@naggum.no> wrote:
>* Christopher Browne
>| Are you just a vulgar CLer that read anti-CL sentiment into questions
>| whether such sentiment was intended or not?

>  well, I recognize _your_ intent.

[Snip]

I've read several posts by Erik in which he treats questions as assaults
on his favorite language.  He may believe that this is some form of
advocacy.  Take it with a grain of salt.  He's done it to me too.  

OTOH, he does seem to be quite strong technically, and sometimes he will
be of great help.

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  have to stop there.  -- Dana Gould


 
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Christopher Browne  
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From: cbbro...@news.hex.net (Christopher Browne)
Date: 1999/08/10
Subject: Re: cautios question (about languages)
On Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:36:39 -0500, Kenneth P. Turvey

<ktur...@pug1.sprocketshop.com> wrote:
>On 09 Aug 1999 14:25:12 +0000, Erik Naggum <e...@naggum.no> wrote:
>>* Christopher Browne
>>| Are you just a vulgar CLer that read anti-CL sentiment into questions
>>| whether such sentiment was intended or not?

>>  well, I recognize _your_ intent.
>[Snip]

>I've read several posts by Erik in which he treats questions as assaults
>on his favorite language.  He may believe that this is some form of
>advocacy.  Take it with a grain of salt.  He's done it to me too.  

Apparently the (decidedly intended) pun got missed...  (What does
"Common" translate to in Latin?)

I certainly do take it with a grain of salt.

>OTOH, he does seem to be quite strong technically, and sometimes he
>will be of great help.

Agreed.
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Erik Naggum  
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From: Erik Naggum <e...@naggum.no>
Date: 1999/08/10
Subject: Re: cautios question (about languages)
* Christopher Browne
| Apparently the (decidedly intended) pun got missed...  (What does
| "Common" translate to in Latin?)

  I know too much Latin to understand that pun, but here's a better
  interpretation: an ornithologist I sat beside on a flight which was much
  too long for his company wondered what I was doing, and once illuminated,
  he suggested it should be called "Garden Lisp" to avoid the implication
  you seem to be grasping for, but he was British, so he had an excuse to
  think in such terms to begin with.  I think I like "Garden Lisp", anyway.

| I certainly do take it with a grain of salt.

  you know, such a line sounds a lot better without your teeth clenched.

#:Erik
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    (loop (pop chips)))


 
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William Deakin  
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From: William Deakin <wi...@pindar.com>
Date: 1999/08/10
Subject: Re: cautios question (about languages)

Erik Naggum wrote:
> I think I like "Garden Lisp", anyway.

So do I. I also like the english strangeitude that is the phrase 'common or
garden.'

Best Regards,

:-) will


 
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Kent M Pitman  
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From: Kent M Pitman <pit...@world.std.com>
Date: 1999/08/10
Subject: Re: cautios question (about languages)
Kent M Pitman <pit...@world.std.com> writes:

> William Deakin <wi...@pindar.com> writes: [...]

> Although presented in words that syntactically make it appear to refute
> my point (which you probably misunderstood, and which I've discussed
> with you in private e-mail and won't repeat here),

William asked me about this e-mail and I went to look for it and
couldn't find it.  I had several other interchanges with people
over private e-mail on this and guess I got confused.  Sorry 'bout
that. (All the @'s and .com's here look alike, I guess.)

 
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Vassil Nikolov  
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From: Vassil Nikolov <vniko...@poboxes.com>
Date: 1999/08/10
Subject: Re: cautios question (about languages)

Erik Naggum wrote:                [1999-08-10 08:11 +0000]

  [...]
  >   an ornithologist [...] suggested it should be called "Garden Lisp"
  >   [...] but he was British, so he had an excuse to
  >   think in such terms to begin with.  I think I like "Garden Lisp", anyway.
  [...]

I just read the article Kent Pitman mentioned in a recent posting, and
there I found a use of `garden':

  What has been done is to associate information with the symbol,
  name, describing any special treatment that is to be given its
  form before and after the application of the definition--but the
  function which is applied is just a garden variety function with
  no special information information attached to it.

(`Special Forms in Lisp,' Kent Pitman,
http://world.std.com/~pitman/Papers/Special-Forms.html)

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