Visual Lisp ++
Fernando Mato Mira
> Visual Lisp++
:-P
Erik Naggum
| I guess this may seem like a daft request, but considering the explosion
| of GUI based integrated development environments on the (PC, Microsoft
| VisualStudio, IBM Visual Age and Borland Delphi, C++, J++ builder) is
| there a Lisp development environment that might be call something like
| Visual Lisp ++ ???
this is actually quite alarming. "++" has become a mark of quality, or
at least something to be desired, however bad the starting point was.
what's next? "Kosovo++"? or would that be "Visual NATO++ - proactive
defense, as seen on TV!"?
now, there actually exist GUI IDE's for Common Lisp that look like what
GUI people seem to expect. warning: they still use parentheses, not the
nice colors you might want. try www.franz.com for their Windows port.
#:Erik
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Kucera, Rich
ozone layer".
Every OS function will be available to the naked eye and it will
cost...one million dollars :)
-Dr Evil
Tim Bradshaw
>
> I guess this may seem like a daft request, but considering the explosion =
> of GUI based integrated development environments on the (PC, Microsoft =
> VisualStudio, IBM Visual Age and Borland Delphi, C++, J++ builder) is =
> there a Lisp development environment that might be call something like =
> Visual Lisp ++ ???
I think you are lookong for Visual (incf Lisp)
Fernando Mato Mira
Dan L. Pierson
> this is actually quite alarming. "++" has become a mark of quality, or
> at least something to be desired, however bad the starting point was.
Remember Guy Steele's decoding of C++: Take C, "improve it", throw
that away and use the original :-)
Dan Pierson, Control Technology Corporation
d...@control.com
Kent M Pitman
Actually, I think you mean
(let ((lisp 'trusty-old-lisp))
(macrolet ((visual (x) x) ;visual = "for show, no change in semantics"
(++ (x) ;++ = "augment language, but ignore any added value"
`(prog1 ,x (ignore-errors (incf ,x)))))
(visual (++ lisp))))
Fernando Mato Mira
Kent M Pitman wrote:
> (macrolet ((visual (x) x) ;visual = "for show, no change in semantics"
> (++ (x) ;++ = "augment language, but ignore any added value"
> `(prog1 ,x (ignore-errors (incf ,x)))))
> (visual (++ lisp))))
Get rid of that visual macro. If you use CLIM, (++ lisp) _is_ visual.
Johan Kullstam
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> I guess this may seem like a daft request, but considering the explosion =
> of GUI based integrated development environments on the (PC, Microsoft =
> VisualStudio, IBM Visual Age and Borland Delphi, C++, J++ builder) is =
> there a Lisp development environment that might be call something like =
> Visual Lisp ++ ???
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forget visual lisp; think about getting a decent newreader/poster.
what's all this gratuitous html doing here?
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johan kullstam
Eugene Zaikonnikov
> forget visual lisp; think about getting a decent newreader/poster.
> what's all this gratuitous html doing here?
>
default. Although they left an option to work with plain text.
Another nasty thing: it uses TrueType fonts to display messages, so if one
wants to enjoy some advanced .sig, he should set fixed font manually.
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Eugene
Reini Urban
"Visual Lisp" and "Lisp++". too late :)
the acl5 interface builder is very vb alike if you're looking for that.
other lisps are also as "visual" as you like it. (genera, lww, clim,
garnet, ...)
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Reini
Tim Bradshaw
> forget visual lisp; think about getting a decent newreader/poster.
> what's all this gratuitous html doing here?
>
That's `Microsoft visual news++' I think.
--tim
Fernando
Urban) wrote:
>btw: autodesk currently holds the trademarks for
>"Visual Lisp" and "Lisp++". too late :)
>
>the acl5 interface builder is very vb alike if you're looking for that.
Yes but pricing is a bit insane, no? At least, not very "vb alike"...
>other lisps are also as "visual" as you like it. (genera, lww, clim,
>garnet, ...)
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>Reini
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Reini Urban
spa...@must.die (Fernando) wrote:
>Yes but pricing is a bit insane, no? At least, not very "vb alike"...
not really.
Bruce Tobin
> I guess this may seem like a daft request, but considering the
> explosion of GUI based integrated development environments on the (PC,
> Microsoft VisualStudio, IBM Visual Age and Borland Delphi, C++, J++
> builder) is there a Lisp development environment that might be call
> something like Visual Lisp ++ ???
Allegro CL 5 for Windows has a very nice GUI environment; better than
Visual Studio IMO, though not quite as nice as Delphi, from which it
borrows a lot of its look-and-feel. A free version is available at