Hi cll - I've noticed that at least one person on CLL has found a previous Monads In Lisp tutorial I've written useful in understanding what monads are/do. I've recently written a new one about various instances of state-like monads used to construct purely functional Turtle Graphics-like systems with some interesting extended capabilities (this tutorial is in Scheme, rather than Emacs Lisp). It is here:
jvt <vincent.to...@gmail.com> writes: > Hi cll - I've noticed that at least one person on CLL has found a > previous Monads In Lisp tutorial I've written useful in understanding > what monads are/do. I've recently written a new one about various > instances of state-like monads used to construct purely functional > Turtle Graphics-like systems with some interesting extended > capabilities (this tutorial is in Scheme, rather than Emacs Lisp). It > is here:
On May 30, 10:30 am, jvt <vincent.to...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi cll - > … > I'd worry about spamming the list serve with my own content except Xah > Lee is always posting his crazy blog posts, so I guess its ok?
i guess i'm honored. It's great of u to peddle ur stuff at the expense of my name.
perhaps you seek a lil constructive advice from me: if you think your stuff is useful, feel free to post here, without feeling guilty and needing to find scapegoat as excuse.
and now you should thank me too, because i've contributed to your advertisement.
> On May 30, 10:30 am, jvt <vincent.to...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi cll - > > … > > I'd worry about spamming the list serve with my own content except Xah > > Lee is always posting his crazy blog posts, so I guess its ok?
> i guess i'm honored. It's great of u to peddle ur stuff at the expense > of my name.
> perhaps you seek a lil constructive advice from me: if you think your > stuff is useful, feel free to post here, without feeling guilty and > needing to find scapegoat as excuse.
> and now you should thank me too, because i've contributed to your > advertisement.
> long live the spirit of newsgroup.
> Xah
The jab was entirely good natured, Xah. I actually enjoy your posts, for the most part.
> On Jun 2, 6:44 am, Xah Lee <xah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On May 30, 10:30 am, jvt <vincent.to...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi cll - > > > … > > > I'd worry about spamming the list serve with my own content except Xah > > > Lee is always posting his crazy blog posts, so I guess its ok?
> > i guess i'm honored. It's great of u to peddle ur stuff at the expense > > of my name.
> > perhaps you seek a lil constructive advice from me: if you think your > > stuff is useful, feel free to post here, without feeling guilty and > > needing to find scapegoat as excuse.
> > and now you should thank me too, because i've contributed to your > > advertisement.
> > long live the spirit of newsgroup.
> > Xah
> The jab was entirely good natured, Xah. I actually enjoy your posts, > for the most part.
Xah is just mad because he doesn't like jargon like "Monads". ;)
> On Jun 2, 6:44 am, Xah Lee <xah...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On May 30, 10:30 am, jvt <vincent.to...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi cll - > > > … > > > I'd worry about spamming the list serve with my own content except Xah > > > Lee is always posting his crazy blog posts, so I guess its ok?
> > i guess i'm honored. It's great of u to peddle ur stuff at the expense > > of my name.
> > perhaps you seek a lil constructive advice from me: if you think your > > stuff is useful, feel free to post here, without feeling guilty and > > needing to find scapegoat as excuse.
> > and now you should thank me too, because i've contributed to your > > advertisement.
> > long live the spirit of newsgroup.
> > Xah
> The jab was entirely good natured, Xah. I actually enjoy your posts, > for the most part.
Wee! I figured if the pesky Pascal J B would praise a article, it must be worthwhile.
btw, is there a subscribe button on your blog? Blogger is annoying in that by default they have subscribe button to comments but not the blog. (one can subscribe in Google Reader just by plain blog site's url, but still, a explicit rss button would be better)
i'll be reading your article soon and perhaps blog about it on my blog and maybe give some feedback.
PS it annoys me to no end when one cannot easily find the name of the author on blogs, when the blog author clearly didn't meant to be anonymous. Is there a reason you didn't want it spelled it out?
(i despise hacker culture, where these “hackers” idiotic-namesake prefer to go by “handles” or abbrevs (e.g. “RMS”, “ESR”, “JWZ”) or whatnot insider-fashion fuck. But that's just me.)
> (i despise hacker culture, where these “hackers” idiotic-namesake > prefer to go by “handles” or abbrevs (e.g. “RMS”, “ESR”, “JWZ”) or > whatnot insider-fashion fuck. But that's just me.)
Maybe there wasn't auto signing in those days :) -Antony
Xah Lee <xah...@gmail.com> writes: > (i despise hacker culture, where these “hackers” idiotic-namesake > prefer to go by “handles” or abbrevs (e.g. “RMS”, “ESR”, “JWZ”) or > whatnot insider-fashion fuck. But that's just me.)
If you despite hacker culture why do you stick with us all the time? Are you masochist?
Shut down you computer and go meet other people with another culture!
On Jun 4, 1:32 am, "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <p...@informatimago.com> wrote:
> Xah Lee <xah...@gmail.com> writes: > > (i despise hacker culture, where these “hackers” idiotic-namesake > > prefer to go by “handles” or abbrevs (e.g. “RMS”, “ESR”, “JWZ”) or > > whatnot insider-fashion fuck. But that's just me.)
> If you despite hacker culture why do you stick with us all the time? > Are you masochist?
> Shut down you computer and go meet other people with another culture!
there is a substantial number of programers in this world, who truely enjoy programing, and all sorts of computing technologies, hardware and or software, digging into their innards. This group of people, some are computer scientists, some pro programers, some amature programers, very diverse. This is a group i belong to.
Now, in this group of people, there is a sub-group, who share certain styles, personalities, propensities, in their activities or outlook in computing. This group is the “hacker” subculture i refer to.
Note that there's no clear-delineated definition. But roughly: Richard Stallman generation at MIT, people who thrive with {perl, unix, C}, fall into this group. It's hard to come up with even rough definition, but the best i can think of is those who enjoys the word “hacking” or “hacker”. e.g. they like to call a enjoyable programing session as hacking, they address respected peers as “hacker”, they simply enjoy all connotations afforded by that word, but they absolutely hate how journalists or laymen use the work “hack” to mean what they would call “crack”, and often go at lengths to speak against such usage.
« Hacker is a term that has been used to mean a variety of different things in computing. Depending on the context, the term could refer to a person in any one of several distinct (but not completely disjoint) communities and subcultures:[1]
* A community of enthusiast computer programmers and systems designers, originated in the 1960s around the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's (MIT's) Tech Model Railroad Club (TMRC) and MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory.[2] This community is notable for launching the free software movement. The World Wide Web and the Internet itself are also hacker artifacts.[3] The Request for Comments RFC 1392 amplifies this meaning as "[a] person who delights in having an intimate understanding of the internal workings of a system, computers and computer networks in particular." See Hacker (programmer subculture).
* The hobbyist home computing community, focusing on hardware in the late 1970s (e.g. the Homebrew Computer Club[4]) and on software (computer games,[5] software cracking, the demoscene) in the 1980s/1990s. The community included Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak and Bill Gates and created the personalcomputing industry.[6] See Hacker (hobbyist).
* People committed to circumvention of computer security. This primarily concerns unauthorized remote computer break-ins via a communication networks such as the Internet (Black hats), but also includes those who debug or fix security problems (White hats), and the morally ambiguous Grey hats. See Hacker (computer security).
Today, mainstream usage of “hacker” mostly refers to computer criminals, due to the mass media usage of the word since the 1980s. …
»
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Here, the first definition is in our context. Wikipedia has a dedicated article on that, here:
, which elicits the Jargon File, and also has sections on “Ethics and Principles”, “Artifacts and Customs”.
It is this group of people, i despise. More accurately: i despise their general style and outlook. I despite them. Fuck them. FUCK hackers. FUCK their hacking. Fuck their mothers. Scumbags.
These hackers, a large percentage of them, also are what i call Tech Geekers. Here are related articles about tech geekers and hackers.
Seems like my actual name (Vincent Toups) is in the "about me" section (to the right of the content) and there is a "subscribe to" button/ link at the very bottom of the page. Is there some blogger idiom I don't know about like putting a giant "subscribe" button somewhere?
On Jun 4, 6:55 am, jvt <vincent.to...@gmail.com> wrote: │ Seems like my actual name (Vincent Toups) is in the "about me" section │ (to the right of the content)
i missed that. Thanks.
│ and there is a "subscribe to" button/ │ link at the very bottom of the page. Is there some blogger idiom I │ don't know about like putting a giant "subscribe" button somewhere?
i still don't see the subscribe button though. The one at the bottom subscribes you to comments.
> 〈Computing Culture: What's Hacker?〉 > http://xahlee.org/Netiquette_dir/whats_hacker.html > there is a substantial number of programers in this world, who truely > enjoy programing, and all sorts of computing technologies, hardware > and or software, digging into their innards. This group of people, > some are computer scientists, some pro programers, some amature > programers, very diverse. This is a group i belong to.
> Now, in this group of people, there is a sub-group, who share certain > styles, personalities, propensities, in their activities or outlook in > computing. This group is the “hacker” subculture i refer to.
> Note that there's no clear-delineated definition. But roughly: Richard > Stallman generation at MIT, people who thrive with {perl, unix, C}, > fall into this group. It's hard to come up with even rough definition, > but the best i can think of is those who enjoys the word “hacking” or > “hacker”. e.g. they like to call a enjoyable programing session as > hacking, they address respected peers as “hacker”, they simply enjoy > all connotations afforded by that word, but they absolutely hate how > journalists or laymen use the work “hack” to mean what they would call > “crack”, and often go at lengths to speak against such usage.
> « > Hackeris a term that has been used to mean a variety of different > things in > computing. Depending on the context, the term could refer to a person > in any > one of several distinct (but not completely disjoint) communities and > subcultures:[1]
> * A community of enthusiast computer programmers and systems > designers, > originated in the 1960s around the Massachusetts Institute of > Technology's (MIT's) Tech Model Railroad Club (TMRC) and MIT > Artificial > Intelligence Laboratory.[2] This community is notable for > launching the > free software movement. The World Wide Web and the Internet > itself are > alsohackerartifacts.[3] The Request for Comments RFC 1392 > amplifies > this meaning as "[a] person who delights in having an intimate > understanding of the internal workings of a system, computers and > computer networks in particular." SeeHacker(programmer > subculture).
> * The hobbyist home computing community, focusing on hardware in > the late > 1970s (e.g. the Homebrew Computer Club[4]) and on software > (computer > games,[5] software cracking, the demoscene) in the 1980s/1990s. > The > community included Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak and Bill Gates and > created > the personalcomputing industry.[6] SeeHacker(hobbyist).
> * People committed to circumvention of computer security. This > primarily > concerns unauthorized remote computer break-ins via a > communication > networks such as the Internet (Black hats), but also includes > those who > debug or fix security problems (White hats), and the morally > ambiguous > Grey hats. SeeHacker(computer security).
> Today, mainstream usage of “hacker” mostly refers to computer > criminals, due > to the mass media usage of the word since the 1980s. …
> »
> --------------------------------
> Here, the first definition is in our context. Wikipedia has a > dedicated article on that, here:
> , which elicits the Jargon File, and also has sections on “Ethics and > Principles”, “Artifacts and Customs”.
> It is this group of people, i despise. More accurately: i despise > their general style and outlook. I despite them. Fuck them. FUCK > hackers. FUCK their hacking. Fuck their mothers. Scumbags.
> These hackers, a large percentage of them, also are what i call Tech > Geekers. Here are related articles about tech geekers and hackers.
If you wonder why do i hate “hackers” and everything associated with that term, here's more.
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HTML5 Doctype, Validation, X-UA-Compatible, and Why Do I Hate Hackers
Xah Lee, 2011-06-21
I'm giving up on html validation. Fuck the W3C. Fuck Google. Fuck Apple. Fuck Microsoft. Fuck Firefox.
In the past 10 years, i've been quite strict and stern about html validation. However, every little thing you do run into problems. In [14]embedding YouTube videos, in [15]adding Google search widgets, [16]adding Comment System, in embedding Twitter or Facebook widgets, in adding ads, in mirroring documents from other sources (e.g. [17]Emacs Lisp Manual.)…. Normally, it might take 5 min to do a job. But with concern about correct HTML, it takes n hours to research and find a solution that work across browsers yet still correct. See: * [18]HTML Correctness and Validators * [19]Google Earth KML Validation Fuckup * [20]Programing: Google and Amazon Generates Invalid HTML * [21]W3C HTML Validator Invalid * [22]W3C HTML Validation Problem: p in li * [23]How to Embed Video with Valid HTML * [24]Programing: GNU Texinfo Problems; Invalid HTML
What's worse is that every [25]elite programing idiot (aka “hacker”) will insist how validation is important while completely ignoring reality.
Worse is that supposedly the “good guys” big companies {Google, Apple} now peddle HTML5 because it would benefit THEMSELVES, while completely ignore anything about validation. They — in particular the “do no evil” Google — do not even pay lip service to validation.
(Google is trying to overtake the world and run over Microsoft with the web. They cannot do that unless web tech supports traditional desktop functionalities, that's why they need to push HTML5. Apple do it for the same reason for their iPad iPhone money-cow.)
What's HTML5? It's a flying-fuck-in-your-face against a decade of what W3C told us about what HTML should or should not be. HTML5 was started by mostly Google and Apple, and in the beginning was sneered by W3C, but W3C finally lost the power struggle and accepted HTML5.
You know? W3C is like United Nations. It was supposed to be this neutral standard body. But in fact it really is just a masked face of the powers. The distinction between good for the masses and the powers behind group, gets thin over the years.
The situation is not much different than the 1990s where the leading companies push new tech to gain market. (e.g. Netscape with <blink>, <font>, javascript, cookies, etc.) * [26]Internet History, Netscape, Dot Com, Code Rush * [27]HTML, CSS, javascript, Web Tech and Browser Timeline * [28]Cookies, Super Cookies, Your Privacy
The difference is that this time, the new stuff is sold as a “standard”, and the [29]Tech Geekers went along smiling.
How to Make Your Site IE Compatible with X-UA-Compatible
What prompted me to write this rant on this topic AGAIN? Well, when i view my site with Internet Explorer 9 (IE9), it shows a little ugly icon of broken page in the url field. That broken page icon doesn't show for Google, Apple, or Microsoft sites. So i took a bit to investigate, which inevitably ends up several hours spent.
The matter is not simple as usual just like every html stuff. Basically, if your site doesn't include a “X-UA-Compatible” metatag such as <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=9">, than that icon will show up, even if you use the “html5 doctype” <!doctype html> and all your page is valid and pretty simple and doesn't use any css/ js/browser-sniffing/quirksmode or whatnot hack.
So my dilemma is, if my completely valid html4 site with extremely simple markup, do i need to cave-in to whatever some company is doing and add that “X-UA-Compatible” non-standard stupid extra little string just so that IE won't show that little ugly broken-page icon?
So i also took a little time to check what other big sites do.
Here's google.com when served to IE9: <!doctype html><html><head><meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=8"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">…
Here's Wikipedia, which does not use the “X-UA-Compatible” and the broken-page icon shows: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http:// www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd"> <html lang="en" dir="ltr" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> <head> <title>…</title> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /> <meta http-equiv="Content-Style-Type" content="text/css" /> …
Note, Wikipedia is one of the few most trafficked site that uses valid HTML/XHTML, in the few times i've checked since ~2005, but the few times i've checked in the past 2 years they seem to have slacked.
Oh, you are self-quoting your own page. It would make much more sense to summarize your point in one sentence and refer a web page for more information. If you can’t summarize the point, there usually is no point.
No summary, no point. Thank you for confirming this by the absurd crossposting. If a message is on-topic in comp.lang.lisp, it’s surely off-topic in comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html, and vice versa.
Jukka K. Korpela wrote: > 2011-06-22 19:31, Xah Lee wrote: >> [usual troll-spam] > […] > No point, no points. Thanks for playing.
Thanks in advance for not feeding this well-known troll again.
(How come that you easily call everyone "troll" when they happen to disagree with you, or challenge your *beliefs*, but that you have failed to recognize each and every *real* troll so far?)
> F’ups set to poster.
Ignored since this is of public interest.
F'up2 poster
PointedEars -- realism: HTML 4.01 Strict evangelism: XHTML 1.0 Strict madness: XHTML 1.1 as application/xhtml+xml -- Bjoern Hoehrmann
> Thanks in advance for not feeding this well-known troll again.
It has occasionally seemed necessary to comment on your messages, even though it also means feeding you.
> (How come that you easily call everyone "troll" when they happen to disagree > with you, or challenge your *beliefs*, but that you have failed to recognize > each and every *real* troll so far?)
You are pretending that you do not know the difference between trolling and spamming. Xah Lee might be a spammer, but I hadn't seen his spam, and the spam (perhaps accidentally) contained text that made it look relevant to c.i.w.a.h. Some study was needed to see that it just looked that way.
With your trolling, it's different, because you make comments that look relevant even in a closer look - it just turns out, on even closer inspection and by following your postings for some time, that you are just showing off, trying to present all your expertise on everything, no matter how irrelevant your facts, factoids, and lecturoids might be to the discussion at hand. And of course they contain a fair share of errors.
