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Frank Schnekenburger  
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 More options Nov 21 1995, 3:00 am
Newsgroups: comp.lang.clos, comp.lang.lisp
From: schn...@gov.on.ca (Frank Schnekenburger)
Date: 1995/11/21
Subject: CLOS versus C++
Hello,

I'm doing a small report comparing the object oriented features of C++
and CLOS.  I come from a C++ background and have spent some time getting
up to speed on CLOS.  I'm impressed by its extensibility and flexability.

A question I have is "What types of real-world applications are being
developed in CLOS, and what specific features of CLOS make it suitable
for those apps".   If you develop apps in CLOS, I'd appreciate hearing
from you.  Thanks very much.

Frank.

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Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources


 
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Erik Naggum  
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 More options Nov 21 1995, 3:00 am
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From: Erik Naggum <e...@naggum.no>
Date: 1995/11/21
Subject: Re: CLOS versus C++
[Frank Schnekenburger]

|   I'm doing a small report comparing the object oriented features of C++
|   and CLOS.  I come from a C++ background and have spent some time getting
|   up to speed on CLOS.  I'm impressed by its extensibility and flexability.

you may find the book Object-Oriented Programming, the CLOS perspective,
edited by Andreas Paepcke, MIT press, 1993, ISBN 0-262-16136-2 a useful
addition to your research.  it has a paper on comparing CLOS and C++ by
Linda G. DeMichiel.  it may be somewhat dated, considering that C++ has
been suffering a bad case of cancerous growth in ISO.

#<Erik 3025986069>
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 you're basically a loser, you know."                     -- Björk.


 
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Steven Perryman  
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 More options Nov 23 1995, 3:00 am
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From: perry...@benelli.uk.tele.nokia.fi (Steven Perryman)
Date: 1995/11/23
Subject: Re: CLOS versus C++

In article <48sslo$...@govonca3.gov.on.ca> schn...@gov.on.ca (Frank Schnekenburger) writes:
> A question I have is "What types of real-world applications are being
> developed in CLOS"

The ESPRIT project Multiworks (multimedia workstation) use CLOS/Lisp as part
of its distributed application environment (Harlequin LispWorks ?? ) .

That is/was quite a big project.

Regards,
Steven Perryman
perry...@cpd.ntc.nokia.com


 
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Luca Pisati  
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 More options Nov 24 1995, 3:00 am
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From: Luca Pisati <pisati>
Date: 1995/11/24
Subject: Re: CLOS versus C++
Nichimen Graphics sells a full 2D/3D animation package running on SGI
(Silicon Graphics), built entirely in Lisp with CLOS. We run on Franz's
Allegro (check http://www.franz.com) rel. 4.2.

It's as fast as C++ applications, but much more flexible thanx to CLOS.
The UI interface is, in particular, more elaborate and simple to use than
other Computer Graphics packages. Any customization is straightforward for
everybody: internal developers and customers.

Check http://www.nichimen.com/ if you want to know more.

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12555 West Jefferson Blvd. Suite 285, Los Angeles, CA 90066
Phone: (310) 577-0500; Fax: (310) 577-0577  pis...@nichimen.com (internet)


 
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Marco Antoniotti  
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 More options Nov 30 1995, 3:00 am
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From: marc...@lox.icsi.berkeley.edu (Marco Antoniotti)
Date: 1995/11/30
Subject: Re: CLOS versus C++

In article <48sslo$...@govonca3.gov.on.ca> schn...@gov.on.ca (Frank Schnekenburger) writes:

   From: schn...@gov.on.ca (Frank Schnekenburger)
   Newsgroups: comp.lang.clos,comp.lang.lisp
   Date: 21 Nov 1995 15:53:28 GMT
   Organization: Government of Ontario
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   Xref: agate comp.lang.clos:3568 comp.lang.lisp:20077

   Hello,

   I'm doing a small report comparing the object oriented features of C++
   and CLOS.  I come from a C++ background and have spent some time getting
   up to speed on CLOS.  I'm impressed by its extensibility and flexability.

   A question I have is "What types of real-world applications are being
   developed in CLOS, and what specific features of CLOS make it suitable
   for those apps".   If you develop apps in CLOS, I'd appreciate hearing
   from you.  Thanks very much.

What about WWW servers and clients?  Check out

        http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/iiip/doc/cl-http/home-page.html

Cheers
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=========================================================================== ====
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1947 Center STR, Suite 600                      | tel. +1 (510) 643 9153
Berkeley, CA, 94704-1198, USA                   |      +1 (510) 642 4274 x149
=========================================================================== ====
        ...it is simplicity that is difficult to make.
        ...e` la semplicita` che e` difficile a farsi.
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Sunil Mishra  
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 More options Dec 1 1995, 3:00 am
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From: smis...@gaia.cc.gatech.edu (Sunil Mishra)
Date: 1995/12/01
Subject: Re: CLOS versus C++
In article <s08enupelic....@lox.ICSI.Berkeley.EDU> marc...@lox.icsi.berkeley.edu (Marco Antoniotti) writes:
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\\ What about WWW servers and clients?  Check out
\\
\\      http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/iiip/doc/cl-http/home-page.html
\\
\\ Cheers

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but isn't this only a server? I did not see any
reference to a client, though it was a rather cursory glance.

Sunil


 
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Marco Antoniotti  
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 More options Dec 6 1995, 3:00 am
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From: marc...@lox.icsi.berkeley.edu (Marco Antoniotti)
Date: 1995/12/06
Subject: Re: CLOS versus C++
In article <SMISHRA.95Nov30215...@gaia.cc.gatech.edu> smis...@gaia.cc.gatech.edu (Sunil Mishra) writes:

   From: smis...@gaia.cc.gatech.edu (Sunil Mishra)
   Newsgroups: comp.lang.clos,comp.lang.lisp
   Date: 01 Dec 1995 02:54:38 GMT
   Organization: College of Computing, Georgia Tech
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   In article <s08enupelic....@lox.ICSI.Berkeley.EDU> marc...@lox.icsi.berkeley.edu (Marco Antoniotti) writes:
   \\
   \\ What about WWW servers and clients?  Check out
   \\
   \\   http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/iiip/doc/cl-http/home-page.html
   \\
   \\ Cheers

   Correct me if I'm mistaken, but isn't this only a server? I did not see any
   reference to a client, though it was a rather cursory glance.

You are right. It is mostly a server, though some CLIM code is
available (obviously for thise who have CLIM).

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Berkeley, CA, 94704-1198, USA                   |      +1 (510) 642 4274 x149
=========================================================================== ====
        ...it is simplicity that is difficult to make.
        ...e` la semplicita` che e` difficile a farsi.
                                Bertholdt Brecht


 
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