Question about DEFSYSTEM status
James A. Crippen
people's bandwidth anyway asking this question...
What's the status of DEFSYSTEM 4 (the CLOS-based replacement for
DEFSYSTEM 3.x)? How compatible is it with DS 3.2 'Interim' and with
defsystem files that are written for that version? I'm curious
because I'd like to write a somewhat complicated defsystem that calls
the C compiler for help, but I know that the support for this is
completely ad-hack in DS 3.x. Also, I'd like to just use the CLOS
based DS 4 and never look back, if I can. DS3 has grown too klugified
for my tastes...
'james
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Marco Antoniotti
ja...@unlambda.com (James A. Crippen) writes:
> This is probably not the right forum but I'm going to waste countless
> people's bandwidth anyway asking this question...
>
> What's the status of DEFSYSTEM 4 (the CLOS-based replacement for
> DEFSYSTEM 3.x)? How compatible is it with DS 3.2 'Interim' and with
> defsystem files that are written for that version?
Official answer. MK:DEFSYSTEM 3.x specs are (so far) upward
compatible with MK:DEFSYSTEM 4.x.
> I'm curious
> because I'd like to write a somewhat complicated defsystem that calls
> the C compiler for help, but I know that the support for this is
> completely ad-hack in DS 3.x.
One of the main stumbling blocks in the development of MK4 is the
design of the "foreign compiler" interface. I have not settled on a
design but I think I may be close enough. Please see the
'language-support' file and the 'languages' subdirectory.
You are most welcome to pitch in. The CVS module is called
`defsystem-4.x' in the CLOCC repository. Note that this is a
standalone module which does not require the rest of the CLOCC.
> Also, I'd like to just use the CLOS
> based DS 4 and never look back, if I can. DS3 has grown too klugified
> for my tastes...
Same here. This was the reason for going to MK4.
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Joel Ray Holveck
> compatible with MK:DEFSYSTEM 4.x.
Speaking of specs, is either version of MK:DEFSYSTEM documented
anywhere? I've pretty much been working off of other other sysdcl
files, and other defsystems to work out how to use MK.
Thanks,
joelh
Raymond Toy
>> Official answer. MK:DEFSYSTEM 3.x specs are (so far) upward
>> compatible with MK:DEFSYSTEM 4.x.
Joel> Speaking of specs, is either version of MK:DEFSYSTEM documented
Joel> anywhere? I've pretty much been working off of other other sysdcl
Joel> files, and other defsystems to work out how to use MK.
There is a description of 3.x somewhere, but, oddly, it doesn't seem
to be with the clocc version. I have a version that I think I got
from the CMU AI archives quite a while a go. I seem to remember
having the original sources (in Scribe?) as well. It will take a bit
of time to dig this up.
Ray
Thomas F. Burdick
There's a PostScript file in the contrib/ directory of the CMUCL
source, along with the defsystem source.
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>>>>>> "Joel" == Joel Ray Holveck <jo...@juniper.net> writes:
> Joel> Speaking of specs, is either version of MK:DEFSYSTEM documented
> Joel> anywhere? I've pretty much been working off of other other sysdcl
> Joel> files, and other defsystems to work out how to use MK.
>
> There is a description of 3.x somewhere, but, oddly, it doesn't seem
> to be with the clocc version. I have a version that I think I got
Try
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/project/ai-repository/ai/lang/lisp/code/tools/mkantdoc.tgz
(this URL also appears on the mk-defsystem cliki page at
http://ww.telent.net/cliki/mk-defsystem)
-dan
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Marco Antoniotti
Raymond Toy <t...@rtp.ericsson.se> writes:
There is a description of the original MK:DEFSYSTEM 3.x in the
AI.Repository. It is not included n the CLOCC repository because it
is part of a CMU TR on a set of "Lisp Utilities" by Mark Kantrowitz's
(all very useful, e.g. the "user-manual" one). Unfortunately, maybe
because of me (and others) being paranoid about the CMU copyrights,
the document is not included in the CLOCC repository.
I will amend this, by adding a README file to the repository.
As for 4.x, I am very slowly writing an "internals" document. Anybody
willing to help is welcome. Send me email privately for that.
Marco Antoniotti
Hi
a new updated releas of MK:DEFSYSTEM has been uploaded to the File
Release area of the CLOCC project
http://sourceforge.net/projects/clocc
The new release is tagged 3.3i and contains the latest CVS additions
and a README file with a pointer to the documentation at CMU.
Enjoy
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Paolo Amoroso
> There is a description of 3.x somewhere, but, oddly, it doesn't seem
> to be with the clocc version. I have a version that I think I got
> from the CMU AI archives quite a while a go. I seem to remember
Its distribution license may not be open-source compatible. Some time ago
Mark Kantrowitz granted Marco Antoniotti some rights to the MK:DEFSYSTEM
code, but I don't know about the documentation.
Paolo
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