Another poll: Why you do not use Lisp?
Kazimir Majorinc
be of interest for whole Lisp community
and some other groups.
http://kazimirmajorinc.blogspot.com
* If you use say, Clojure, Newlisp, Pico,
Scheme etc - it means "I use Lisp"
* If you use, say, Scheme AND C, then
you can vote on the poll to explain why
you do use C and not some of the dialects
you use.
* Comments about better questions are welcome,
but I cannot change it any more.
Thank you,
--
Kazimir Majorinc
Vassil Nikolov
I don't use Lisp: Lisp uses me...
---Vassil.
--
"Even when the muse is posting on Usenet, Alexander Sergeevich?"
Kaz Kylheku
> Please, support the poll. The results might
> be of interest for whole Lisp community
> and some other groups.
>
> http://kazimirmajorinc.blogspot.com
Hi! I don't use Lisp because I'm a fisherman in a small village in Thailand.
Got any more negative polls?
Slobodan Blazeski
Hi! I don't use Lisp because I've run out parenthesis.
kodifik
Giovanni Gigante
Do you expect to find many people not using lisp, here on CLL?
(or perhaps the poll is meant to discover the masochists...)
kodifik
> Do you expect to find many people not using lisp, here on CLL?
gavino and friends
Adam Michalik
> gavino and friends
And there is Dave Searles/Series Expansions, who simply do not have time
to use Lisp, being too busy answering to every post in his troll
threads.
Personally I do not use Lisp because it was proven guilty of parentheses
monopoly.
--
Adam Michalik
vel Dodek Dodecki
<dodek[]dodecki.net>
Dave Searles
> kodifik <kod...@eurogaran.com> writes:
>
>> gavino and friends
>
> And there is Dave Searles/Series Expansions, who simply do not have time
Wrong.
Kazimir Majorinc
> Do you expect to find many people not using lisp, here on CLL?
> (or perhaps the poll is meant to discover the masochists...)
Yes, it is surprising, but only on the first sight: many
readers of this newsgroup do not use Lisp at all, due to
variety of reasons, but even more do not use ONLY Lisp as
programming language, and as Lisp is meant to be general
purpose programming language, their reasons not to use it
are as relevant as reasons of people who do not use it at
all.
That is why I wrote this:
> * If you use, say, Scheme AND C, then
> you can vote on the poll to explain why
> you do use C ...
--
Kazimir Majorinc
blog: http://kazimirmajorinc.blogspot.com
Tamas K Papp
> On 13.10.2009 12:53, Giovanni Gigante wrote:
>
>> Do you expect to find many people not using lisp, here on CLL? (or
>> perhaps the poll is meant to discover the masochists...)
>
> Yes, it is surprising, but only on the first sight: many readers of
> this newsgroup do not use Lisp at all, due to variety of reasons, but
> even more do not use ONLY Lisp as programming language, and as Lisp is
> meant to be general purpose programming language, their reasons not to
> use it are as relevant as reasons of people who do not use it at all.
But you could find many more non lisp users in other newsgroups (eg
alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent). Please go there and delight them with
such polls instead of advertising your blog here.
Tamas
Anti Vigilante
I can neither confirm or deny whether I use lisp or whether today is
Tuesday.
Kazimir Majorinc
THE RESULTS
-----------
I use Lisp, at least sometimes. 49 (44%)
It has not enough support for modern programming
practice (libraries, threads and similar.) 42 (37%)
Its syntax repulses me. 26 (23%)
It is socially inadequate (small, not very alive
community.) 23 (20%)
It doesn't have any technical
advantage I might want. 20 (18%)
Its IDE is not good enough. 18 (16%)
I'd like to use Lisp, but my superiors or
colleagues do not want that. 15 (13%)
It has not enough support for higher level
programming (laziness, logic programming...) 15 (13%)
It is socially inadequate (arrogant,
unhelping community.) 14 (12%)
It is too slow or bloated. 12 (10%)
It has attractive technical advantages, but
these are hard to learn, use and
not worth effort. 11 (9%)
It is OK, but only in some commercial version -
and I want free or much cheaper one. 10 (9%)
It is so marginal that I never considered it. 9 (8%)
Total: 111 (100%)
---------------------------
So, the most important reasons for people not to use
Lisp is that syntax repulses them, howevever, Lisp do
not have any technical advantage they want, or if it
does, it is not worth the effort. It miss some "higher
level" features.
Libraries are less important, because (a) for every
language, including Java, someone would repport the
uses say Python because he likes library X better.
(b) it is circular. Probably majority of voters
who complained about libraries already use Lisp,
just part of the time.
On the other side, Lisp succeeded to get rid of
"bloated" image - 10% is really good result. It
would be bad for say, Modula 2, built to be lean,
but for Lisp, it is more than satisfactory.
Surprisingly lot of people valuate importance of
large, active, helpful community.
If you want to make conclusions, note that bias in
favour of Lisp is strong, because Lispers are
specifically called to participate, and even more
importantly, because people who do not care for
Lisp, do not care for voting on this poll as well.
--
Thanx to those who participated.
Bata
> favour of Lisp is strong, because Lispers are
> specifically called to participate, and even more
> importantly, because people who do not care for
> Lisp, do not care for voting on this poll as well.
Thank you for pointing out that this has been a total waste of your time.
Have a cookie.
Kazimir Majorinc
What, do you mean that bias makes analysis impossible?
Fortunately, it doesn't. All polls - even all communication
is biased. It has to be taken into account, but it doesn't
make analysis impossible. It is not some special wisdom,
we do that all the time.
Kaz Kylheku
> On 21.10.2009 18:36, Bata wrote:
>
>>> If you want to make conclusions, note that bias in
>>> favour of Lisp is strong, because Lispers are
>>> specifically called to participate, and even more
>>> importantly, because people who do not care for
>>> Lisp, do not care for voting on this poll as well.
>>
>> Thank you for pointing out that this has been a total waste of your time.
>>
>> Have a cookie.
>
> What, do you mean that bias makes analysis impossible?
>
> Fortunately, it doesn't. All polls - even all communication
> is biased.
People who conduct polls properly take meticulous
care to avoid bias. Your poll has a gaping, blatant bias.
> It has to be taken into account, but it doesn't
So how are you taking bias into account? Can you put your poll's bias
into some kind of meaningful numbers which can be used to normalize
the results in some credible way?
Slobodan Blazeski
> On 2009-10-21, Kazimir Majorinc <em...@false.false> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 21.10.2009 18:36, Bata wrote:
>
> >>> If you want to make conclusions, note that bias in
> >>> favour of Lisp is strong, because Lispers are
> >>> specifically called to participate, and even more
> >>> importantly, because people who do not care for
> >>> Lisp, do not care for voting on this poll as well.
>
> >> Thank you for pointing out that this has been a total waste of your time.
>
> >> Have a cookie.
>
> > What, do you mean that bias makes analysis impossible?
>
> > Fortunately, it doesn't. All polls - even all communication
> > is biased.
>
> People who conduct polls properly take meticulous
> care to avoid bias. Your poll has a gaping, blatant bias.
>
> > It has to be taken into account, but it doesn't
>
> into some kind of meaningful numbers which can be used to normalize
> the results in some credible way?
Bata
> No problem http://www.babelgum.com/3017011/dilbert-faulty-data.html
>
hehehe, lol