Learn to behave.  Cease and desist with your abusive behavior.  I need to
  know that you are a human being who can think to avoid wasting my time on
  answering anything you ask for.  So far, you have given very strong clues
  that you are only a hateful moron who plays games with idiotic questions.
  If you do not wish to present yourself as a thinking human being, that is
  your problem, not mine.  Now, the reason I do not pretend that you are a
  human being, which I have done with several other people in the past who
  have not behaved, is that you chose to be just as abusive as you are here
  in private communication, which is a _very_ strong indicator that this is
  personal to you and that you are both mentally unstable and either unable
  to modify your behavior to reach your goals or destructive.  So _behave_.

go get your pills, and answer the simple question. what evidence are you
talking about, and what are the references? continuing indications are, you
have no clue, nor enough intellectual honesty to admit that such is the case.

  I politely ask you to behave.  You are doing all the abuse around here.

| go get your pills, and answer the simple question.

  Well, I do not elide your abusive behavior because I do not like people
  who lie about what other people do and provide no evidence of it.

| what evidence are you talking about, and what are the references?
| continuing indications are, you have no clue, nor enough intellectual
| honesty to admit that such is the case.

  You are asked to behave before you have any hope of getting an answer,
  and this has been made clear to you.  It is really that simple.

  Just cease and desist with your abusive behavior, ozan s. yigit.

?* o...@cs.yorku.ca (ozan s. yigit)
? | Erik Naggum: [more abusive crap elided]
?
?   I politely ask you to behave.

as opposed to you, who evidently cannot possibly be told how to behave.
i am not interested in your fake politeness.

?                        You are doing all the abuse around here.

this is a lie. retract it.

? | go get your pills, and answer the simple question.
?
?   Well, I do not elide your abusive behavior because I do not like people
?   who lie about what other people do and provide no evidence of it.

don't you have asprin or tylenol at home? i sure do. i sure need it after
what is turning into a surreal and nasty experience trying to get a reference
or two about a curious claim.

? | what evidence are you talking about, and what are the references?
? | continuing indications are, you have no clue, nor enough intellectual
? | honesty to admit that such is the case.

?   You are asked to behave before you have any hope of getting an answer,
?   and this has been made clear to you.  It is really that simple.

you are held to the same standards you hold others to. since when your
ignorance become a point of view? provide some reasonable evidence that
you know what you are talking about or just say you don't know. it is
really that simple.

?                                         ... People are not _naturally_
?   "higher-order thinkers", but there is much evidence to support a view
?   that some people have a hard time dealing with "horizontal complexity"
?   and much prefer "vertical complexity" on very small initial space.

it is clear you have no idea what you are talking about. this has been
a waste of my time; i have readily more references at hand than you are
likely to be able to provide in a year, so don't bother. feel free to
have the last word.

  Oh, so when I am polite, it is fake.  This is great.  You are so funny.

| ?                      You are doing all the abuse around here.
|
| this is a lie. retract it.

  No, it is the barenaked truth, ozan s. yigit.  Just stop your abuse.

| don't you have asprin or tylenol at home?  i sure do.

  No, my head does not hurt when I use it.

| i sure need it after what is turning into a surreal and nasty experience
| trying to get a reference or two about a curious claim.

  Nasty?  You are simply asked to behave, yet you flood the newsgroup with
  abusive and hostile messages.  Well, perhaps you feel your own pain.

  I have already told you: just behave well and give me evidence that you
  are thinking human beging who has a constructive purpose with your
  "questions", and I might considering answering your questions, but as I
  have also said, it is not very likely, since you are such a despicable
  person.  It should be very simple to just behave well, unless, of course,
  you are so hateful that you cannot even fake good behavior.  I think you
  are, you see, so I primarily want you to self-destruct.

| you are held to the same standards you hold others to.

  You know my standards?  Above, you just called my standards fake.  If you
  had at least some integrity, you would have realized that you apply what
  you think are my standards, and at least have _some_ allowance for having
  misunderstood or made a mistake in that process, but you are _so_ certain
  of yourself and your view that nobody, least of all me, can be allowed to
  attempt to change your mind.  When you see a change in behavior, you even
  think it is "fake".  You call statements of fact about your own behavior
  "a lie".  Such is bound to give headaches.  Psychosis can hurt so much.

  Just behave well, ozan s. yigit.  And consider this: If you cannot do it
  on demand, why do you expect anyone else to be able to do it?  When they
  do change their behavior, it drives you nuts.  What does this tell about
  you and your purpose in posting to this newsgroup?

  You think you can give these orders, yet you cannot even behave well on
  order when it would have gotten you want tyou want?  You are such a funny
  guy.

  Show me what an honest apology looks like, and I will emulate it.  Since
  you believe my good behavior is "fake", I have no reason to think you are
  even capable of an honest apology yourself, nor that you would belive one
  if you got it.  You have approached me privately and publicly with a very
  hostile attitude and show absolutely no _ability_ to change your behavior
  or to be constructive about anything.  _Why_ should I accomodate your
  very hostile and very, very stupid requests?  _You_ have misbehaved
  towards _me_, ozan s yigit, while you have been asked to stop and to
  behave better in return, nothing else.  If you attack people out of the
  blue in order to have them apologize for something they have not done to
  you, while you are free to attack people, you are clinically insane and
  should be locked up.  People who have this kind of mission from God to
  make other people behave in ways they cannot are dangerous.  That was
  pretty obvious from your first article and your first mail message.  I
  just enjoy point out how screwed up some people are, particularly your
  kind.  No, go take your pills and learn to behave.  You have bad enough
  problems controlling yourself, so do not even _try_ to control others
  before you have acquired self-control.  An honest apology for your
  attacks and your attitude problem would be very welcome, however.

?                                         ... People are not _naturally_
?   "higher-order thinkers", but there is much evidence to support a view
?   that some people have a hard time dealing with "horizontal complexity"
?   and much prefer "vertical complexity" on very small initial space.

i simply ask:

    where is that evidence? give a reference to significant research.

after more maledicta and dishonest deconstruction, not one piece of usable
information relevant to this claim (which i strongly disagree with) nor an
apology for any of this disgusting behaviour. there is nothing more to
be said.

logorrhea is its own petard.

*plonk*

I don't know whether that means that they don't come naturally to
anyone (I can't remember ever having trouble with them, but maybe I've
just forgotten), but at least to lots, they don.t

  Need I remind you of all the abusive behavior you have accompanied your
  "request" with, and which is the sole reason that I refuse to grant you
  any shred of respect for your question?  You are destructive person, ozan
  s yigit, and you are so self-righteous that you do not see your hatred,
  which is even self-fueling.  I do not grant self-righteous people who
  spend so much energy attacking me any leeway at all, and certainly do not
  do as they ask.  You have refused to behave better, and still do, so I
  guess you are incurably destructive and hateful.  This is important to
  know about you.

| after more maledicta and dishonest deconstruction,

  Where?  I have only asked you to behave before you get any answers.

| not one piece of usable information relevant to this claim

  You might get it if you behaved properly instead of being such a horribly
  destructive person.

| (which i strongly disagree with)

  What you disagree with is completely irrelevant.  If you had a contrary
  opinion or had knewn of facts to the contrary, you could have provided
  some useful counter-information of your own and inspired a discussion,
  yet all you do is attack someone you disagree with.  This must mean that
  you are so much more interested in attacking me than in shedding light on
  any subject at all that I have been entirely justified in denying you any
  respite from my request that you start thinking.  That you now take my
  unwillingness to do your stupid bidding as evidence of ill will is such
  an important property of your own personality that I find it strange that
  you choose to share it with us, but that is your choice.

| nor an apology for any of this disgusting behaviour.

  Which disgusting behavior?  I have asked you to behave.  If you think
  there has been hostility in my request, you are quite wrong, yet you
  regard being treated politely as "fake", indicating to us all that you
  are so hateful that facts alone can never alter your opinion of anything.
  This is another thing I would have kept to myself if I should suffer from
  it, but you choose to share it.

  And, is asking you to behave so disgusting to you?  You damend, stomping
  your feet like a spoiled child, that I "apologize" for something, yet you
  refuse to apologize for your vicious attacks against someone while you
  believe you can demand an apology for something that has not even been
  done to you?  What _is_ your problem?  You seriously need help to get
  over your emotional problems.

| there is nothing more to be said.

  Yes, I sincerely hope that you will shut up for the rest of your life.

  This concludes yet another demonstration of how a nutjob on a mission
  from his self-righteous conscience-by-proxy is unable to grasp the
  simplest thing about cause and effect and is so tremendously hung up in
  his own emotions that he cannot deal with what he could have observed.

  Good riddance, ozan s yigit!  Next time, open polite and intelligent.

[so anyone who has references to relevant research should chime in]

Didn't know these are US-only newsgroups... sorry for posting here.

Regards,
Julian
--
Meine Hompage: http://julian.re6.de

Wayne "Pay no attention to it" Johnson

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"They've got us surrounded again, the poor bastards."

  Oh, Christ, get _over_ yourself!  Grow up, little mind.

Rings a little hollow to hear you complain about someone else's
allegedly abusive behavior.  

Oh, if you want to disprove the "cowardly" label, just put your
accusations in writing and send them to my department.  That would be
the courage of your convictions in action.

  Please quit projecting yourself onto me.

| Rings a little hollow to hear you complain about someone else's allegedly
| abusive behavior.

  Of course _you_ think it does.  You, like ozan s yigit, have been
  incredibly abusive and blame me for your behavior.  You simply cannot
  understand your own role and can _not_ quit your abuse behavior, but
  quite unlike me, you step into all sorts of discussions with _purely_
  off-topic crap about other people.  CAN YOU QUIT THAT MORONIC SHIT?

| Oh, if you want to disprove the "cowardly" label, just put your
| accusations in writing and send them to my department.

  Thomas Bushnell, you are the coward here.  You have declined to answer my
  request for the the name and address of those you want me to inform of
  their role as the evidence of your ability to think.  Fess up or shut up!

| That would be the courage of your convictions in action.

  Your department (why did it change from your advisor?) really has nothing
  to do with your retarded and abusive behavior, but _you_ involve them in
  it, and that is the only thing I intend to inform them of.  However, I
  would like to do this as officially as possible, so I need the name of
  the people who have guaranteed that you can think.  If you just keep
  repeating this moronic line and continue to decline to provide the names
  and addresses of the people you want to involve, the label "coward" will
  stick to you for a very long time.

  What you keep doing here is so ridiculous that it is itself reason to
  inform the people _you_ want to implicate, but _you_ have to inform us
  all of who those people are.  However, I consider your failure to grasp
  that your posting here on a newsgroup does not constitute violation of
  any rules, but your implication of your university, department, graduate
  program, or individual people, _does_.  I want you to name those people
  if you are so concerned about not being labeled a coward.  You are simply
  an abusive idiot for playing this stupid trick, but I would prefer if you
  were not such a chickenshit that you keep this going by inviting what you
  do not have the guts to complete.  _Name_ the people and provide their
  address to this forum, or shut the fuck up.

I assumed you were able to use basic information tools to locate the
information you need.  I'll give you a head start.  You want the
Department of Philosophy at UC Irvine.

I accuse you of being a coward with your accusations, rather like a
garden variety neighborhood bully.

So I expect you to put into your letter that you think I am an idiotic
moron, intellectually dishonest, etc.  Oh, and CC me the letter, of
course.  If you have the courage of your convictions, you'll be
willing to see them stood up to more public scrutiny, right?

  Repetitive hostile "questions" like yours which continue to have
  absolutely _nothing_ to do with this forum, but only with your need to
  harrass me, along with the other whining morons here.  Quit it, OK?

  I want you to provide the name and address of the people you want to
  implicate.  If you are too much of a coward to name them, you are only
  doing more of your immensely stupid and abusive tactics.

| I accuse you of being a coward with your accusations, rather like a
| garden variety neighborhood bully.

  So is this worse or better than accusing Kent Pitman of hypocrisy?
  Why do you not _learn_?

  Why are you so retarded that you challenge the neighborhood bully all the
  time when you are the only party that suffers?

| So I expect you to put into your letter that you think I am an idiotic
| moron, intellectually dishonest, etc.

  What I will do is inform your superiors of your need to use them as a
  shield and guarantors of your ability to think.  I just need their names
  and addresses, because you have started this challenge.  Asking me to
  figure out which people _you_ want to implicate is simply idiotic.

| Oh, and CC me the letter, of course.  If you have the courage of your
| convictions, you'll be willing to see them stood up to more public
| scrutiny, right?

  I have the courage of my convictions, idiot, but your "department" or
  advisor or whatever do not have any bearing on your behavior here until
  _you_ implicate them, and you have.

  The more you keep this idiotic charade up and the more you implicate
  them, the more your department needs to hear about you.  Otherwise, there
  is no need to implicate them at all.

  You remain a brainless idiot, Thomas Bushnell.  Have you _no_ friends who
  can tell you how stupid you are behaving?  Or worse, do you have some
  "friends" who enjoy that you make a spectacle of yourself?