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From: Scott Sauyet <scott.sau...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: qooxlisp live - 3MB bloatware
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 18:55:18 -0700 (PDT)
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Kenneth Tilton wrote:
> RobG wrote:
>> On Jun 8, 6:26 am, Kenneth Tilton <kentil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> The qooxlisp apropos example can now actually be run here (ignore the
>>> site name):
>
>>> =A0 =A0http://www.teamalgebra.com/
>
>> With javascript disabled, it shows a blank page.
>
> Possibly related to this being a javascript library? The next version
> has a noscript chunk to help you out.

>
>> Enabling javascript, the page took nearly 4 minutes to load.
>
> I get that, too, sometimes. Not sure what's going on. Possibly the
> server is being silly, because other times it loads in 4-5s.


I tested with a very fast connection and fast computer, and it never
loaded in less than 8 seconds.  Testing now at home over a mediocre
DSL, it's around 100 seconds on an empty cache.

>> Downloading 335 files totalling 3MB is going to take a very long time
>> on any system.
>
> No, I normally get 4-5s. Any time it hangs I reset the browser (not that
> that should be necessary) and then I get 4-5s.
>
> Anyway, I just did a "release build" and it's one file, 989kb. Not
> nothing, but should be even better.

There are regular complaints on this group about the size of a 70KB
(unzipped) file.  Is all that really necessary for this relatively
simple page?


>>> I'll investigate and/or put the search button back in to beat the
>>> thing into submission.
>
>> You knew it was dysfunctional but posted a link anyway. Thanks.
>
> I try.

You try to what, annoy the hell out of everyone here?


>> [...]
>>> --http://www.stuckonalgebra.com
>
>> Presumably you have some relationship with that site. Even though it
>> is HTML 4.01 Transitional, the W3C validator finds 27 errors.
>
> Go flame Yahoo SiteBuilder.

Or better yet, the person who posted it as an example...


>>> "The best Algebra tutorial program I have seen... in a class by itself.=
"
>>> Macworld
>
>> Quotes without meaningful attribution make me suspicious.
>
> You never heard of Macworld?

http://www.google.com/search?q=3D%22The+best+Algebra+tutorial+program+I+hav=
e+seen%22+site:macworld.com

returns no results...  Do you have a more detailed reference?


>> According to the "stuckonalgebra" site, there is no Mac version,
>
> The Mac does not have Web browsers? You have a scoop.

>> which
>> left me wondering what was reviwed and when, given that Macworld is a
>> Mac-specific magazine. A search revealed that the quote is from a
>> superficial review[1] of "Algebra I Homework Tutor from Missing Link
>> Software" in April 1991.
>
> If "in a class by itself" is superficial, I'll take it.

Are you telling us that this ran on a Mac web browser in 1991?

--
Scott