Spam removal - volunteer?
Terence
from the Google -access viewpoint?
Apparently one can write to Google about a non-owned Forum and request
or offer delete privileges (can be a shared duty). Then you aprove or
not the new day's items.
aeroguy
If anything like this exists, i would like to share the
responsibility....
BUt i think this is a Usenet group and this kind of moderation is not
available... just guessing though.
Tim Prince
servers in our state were shut down, my news reader tends to save me the
trouble of seeing Google spam, while letting through a much higher
proportion of good stuff. You'd have to find someone with a reliable
news feed but no filtering, if any such thing exists.
dpb
Any number of them for pay and some free have at least reasonable
filtering...
news.eternal-september.org
news.aioe.org
are two of the free newsservers I've used.
--
Tim Prince
the newsgroup from their site. Don't really understand why they won't do
some automatic filtering for anyone but their own people. They send
more spam here than even cantv.net does.
Ian Harvey
I'd be surprised if that capability applied to usenet groups such as
comp.lang.fortran.
Others have suggested using a conventional newsreader that gets its
messages from an already filtered newsfeed. I strongly second this.
Most newsreaders support additional filtering that you can customise to
chop out whatever slips through. Their user interface is also typically
superior. I only use google groups for searching.
If you must use the google groups interface, you might want to
investigate Google Groups Killfile - see:
http://www.penney.org/ggkiller.html
It requires firefox and the greasemonkey add-on.
I installed it this morning and it seems to work well. With a few
appropriate subject filters (using regular expressions that cover
keywords that are unlikely to be fortran related - for example
"Topic:.*[Nn]ike.*", "Topic:.*[Pp]aypal].*", "Topic:.*[Ff]ashion.*",
etc) you can hide 80% of the spam. Only drama is the number of messages
listed per page can get rather low.
If you want some assistance setting it up then reply to this post.
For bonus points, you can write your own news feed filter that sits
between your news server (conventional - not google) and your reader -
the nntp protocol is pretty straight forward. For double bonus points
write that filter using Fortran. For triple bonus points and the
programming masochist of the year award, write it only using the F77
subset. It will be the last time that you think fixed length character
strings are adequate for general purpose programming.
IanH
Bug Dout
> On Dec 23, 3:23�am, Terence <tbwri...@cantv.net> wrote:
>> Would someone like to write to Google and offer to moderate this Forum
>> from the Google -access viewpoint?
I understand your motive but I doubt Google is going to help you.
I see two realistic solutions.
1. Find an NNTP server that filters out the spam. You'll probably have
to pay for access.
2. Use a news reader with a good filtering mechanism. I use GNUS in
Emacs and with a global score file of just half a dozen entries, I
rarely see any spam in any group.
--
There is no mistaking the dismay on the face of a writer who has just
heard that his brain child is a deformed idiot.
- L. Sprague de Camp
Luka Djigas
wrote:
>Others have suggested using a conventional newsreader that gets its
>messages from an already filtered newsfeed. I strongly second this.
>Most newsreaders support additional filtering that you can customise to
>chop out whatever slips through. Their user interface is also typically
>superior. I only use google groups for searching.
>
>If you must use the google groups interface, you might want to
>investigate Google Groups Killfile - see:
>
>http://www.penney.org/ggkiller.html
>
>It requires firefox and the greasemonkey add-on.
>
>I installed it this morning and it seems to work well. With a few
>appropriate subject filters (using regular expressions that cover
>keywords that are unlikely to be fortran related - for example
>"Topic:.*[Nn]ike.*", "Topic:.*[Pp]aypal].*", "Topic:.*[Ff]ashion.*",
>etc) you can hide 80% of the spam. Only drama is the number of messages
>listed per page can get rather low.
>
>If you want some assistance setting it up then reply to this post.
You can't really solve a smap problem on public access, either google
groups or usenet servers. It's just avoiding the inevidable ...
spammers get more creative, and at one point in time, you get fed up
with it, and decide it's time either to stop following it, or to find
a controlled source of information (academic news servers are usually
well maintained, and many times in here people mentioned usenet
servers with soem small fee (almost negligable amount yearly)).
regards,
Luka
A Watcher
> aeroguy <sukhbind...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Dec 23, 3:23 am, Terence <tbwri...@cantv.net> wrote:
>>> Would someone like to write to Google and offer to moderate this Forum
>>> from the Google -access viewpoint?
> I understand your motive but I doubt Google is going to help you.
>
> I see two realistic solutions.
>
> 1. Find an NNTP server that filters out the spam. You'll probably have
> to pay for access.
>
> 2. Use a news reader with a good filtering mechanism. I use GNUS in
> Emacs and with a global score file of just half a dozen entries, I
> rarely see any spam in any group.
That doesn't solve the problem of potential readers being turned off by
the spam and avoiding the NGs that are getting hammered or avoiding
Usenet altogether. Sure those of us who know the ropes can avoid it,
but many other people aren't going to make the effort.
Bug Dout
> That doesn't solve the problem of potential readers being turned off
> by the spam and avoiding the NGs that are getting hammered or avoiding
> Usenet altogether. Sure those of us who know the ropes can avoid it,
> but many other people aren't going to make the effort.
True. I was using Usenet before the spam started and in fact I remember
the shock the first spam caused (Arizona lawyers adverting their green
card services).
With full knowledge of seeming arrogant and elitist, maybe those who
don't know how to screen spam shouldn't be on Usenet. I'm not sure it's
a loss to have the big ISPs drop nntp service. I also remember the
forecasts of doom when the old Arpanet became the Internet, and AOL
users were allowed in. Sure enough in addition to more spam we got
less, uh, "desirable" posters.
--
Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-
bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the
road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
ralf.schaa
> If you must use the google groups interface, you might want to
> investigate Google Groups Killfile - see:
>
> http://www.penney.org/ggkiller.html
works like a charm
cheers
Richard Maine
> A Watcher <stoc...@earthlink.net> writes:
>
> > That doesn't solve the problem of potential readers being turned off
> > by the spam and avoiding the NGs that are getting hammered or avoiding
> > Usenet altogether. Sure those of us who know the ropes can avoid it,
> > but many other people aren't going to make the effort.
>
> True. I was using Usenet before the spam started and in fact I remember
> the shock the first spam caused (Arizona lawyers adverting their green
> card services).
I was one of the 25,000 usenet admins who (all quite independently) sent
complaints to the ISP in question, crashing the ISPs system with the
volume of the complaints.
--
Richard Maine | Good judgment comes from experience;
email: last name at domain . net | experience comes from bad judgment.
domain: summertriangle | -- Mark Twain
feenberg
Before October 5th of 2009 spam in the Google Groups version of
comp.lang.fortran was always removed within 24 hours, and was not a
serious problem. No spam messages have been removed since that date
from comp.lang.fortran, although many other Usenet groups sill get
cleaned up promptly. If you browse with Chrome, there is a spam button
on every precis, and I have religiously hit that button on every spam
message every morning, with no apparent effect. I think it likely that
through a configuration mistake, comp.lang.fortran has been omitted
from the spam control system. The solution will come when someone with
access to a Google phonebook/email directory contacts whoever is
running the Usenet interface and suggests we be added to the list of
groups getting spam control. Since Google doesn't hire many Fortran
programmers, this may never happen.
Daniel Feenberg
NBER
Arjan
and take action. Don't know if this address, which I took from the
FAQ, points into the right direction. In case more than nothing
returns, you'll be the first to know!
A.
user1
> On Dec 22, 5:23 pm, Terence<tbwri...@cantv.net> wrote:
>> Would someone like to write to Google and offer to moderate this Forum
>> from the Google -access viewpoint?
>>
>> Apparently one can write to Google about a non-owned Forum and request
>> or offer delete privileges (can be a shared duty). Then you aprove or
>> not the new day's items.
>
> Before October 5th of 2009 spam in the Google Groups version of
> comp.lang.fortran was always removed within 24 hours, and was not a
> serious problem. No spam messages have been removed since that date
> from comp.lang.fortran, although many other Usenet groups sill get
> cleaned up promptly.
Not so. The spam complaint threads posted here go well before that date.
A large amount of spam, stuff that had been around for some time, was in
fact deleted in late September. Some people were on the verge of
rejoicing. Sadly, more has been slowly accumulating.
aeroguy
> I just sent a request to groups-supp...@google.com to check our status
> and take action. Don't know if this address, which I took from the
> FAQ, points into the right direction. In case more than nothing
> returns, you'll be the first to know!
>
> A.
One simple option that google can impliment to combat span is , if the
message contains a link. It should be moderated...or someone posting
should get a CAPTCHA code they must enter.
Since most of the span is link related, thats the door google should
block!!!
Terence
Well, http://groups.google.com/group/fortran_ is a MODERATED, still
spam-free Fortran Forum, if anyone wants to help geting it popular.
But to get something OUT you first have to put something IN....
Aris
All spam is posted via googlegroups, and the solution would be a
moderated google group... No thank you, I still have some pride.
Terence
> Terence <tbwri...@cantv.net> wrote:
> > Well, http://groups.google.com/group/fortran_is a MODERATED, still
> > spam-free Fortran Forum, if anyone wants to help getting it popular.
> > But to get something OUT you first have to put something IN....
>
On Dec 26, 7:07 am, Aris <u...@domain.invalid> wrote:
> All spam is posted via googlegroups, and the solution would be a
> moderated google group... No thank you, I still have some pride.
Well, there's the options:-
1) comp.lang.fortran unmoderated Usernet viewable
with Spam on Google Groups
2) groups.google.com/group/fortran_ viewable without Spam on Google
Groups
Where does pride come into the equation, if you get to read
uncluttered Fortran postings??
And (so far) the facility is without any lateral costs.
I don't stay in parties where the guests are only one tenth of the
gate-crashers.
- Terence
Ian Harvey
>
> Well, there's the options:-
> 1) comp.lang.fortran unmoderated Usernet viewable
> with Spam on Google Groups
> 2) groups.google.com/group/fortran_ viewable without Spam on Google
> Groups
And for those not limited by the need to use google (note that there are
plenty of other sites out there that offer free mailing lists/web forums):
3) comp.lang.fortran unmoderated Usenet group,
viewable with the vast majority of spam filtered out, accessible from a
wide variety of servers, readable using a wide variety of newsreader
clients that typically offer a vastly improved user interface to that
provided by google groups, with no lag time associated with a moderation
queue and an established readership group that includes a number of very
experienced users.