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Steve
May 19, 2013, 9:49:12 AM5/19/13
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I was wondering what other good Forth forums are out there?
I was interested in starting a Forth hardware forum or mailing list
for the misc community, but seeing the misbehavior that has grown
around here for many years, an alternative forum is needed. It has
reached the point that the dishonest perpetuaters have become
accepted.
I remember a time when most words of comp.lang.forth could be taken
seriously, now the juveniles are taking over. Usenet of yester year
is gone, becoming more and more like an un-moderated web forum.
Steve.
I was interested in starting a Forth hardware forum or mailing list
for the misc community, but seeing the misbehavior that has grown
around here for many years, an alternative forum is needed. It has
reached the point that the dishonest perpetuaters have become
accepted.
I remember a time when most words of comp.lang.forth could be taken
seriously, now the juveniles are taking over. Usenet of yester year
is gone, becoming more and more like an un-moderated web forum.
Steve.
Andrew Haley
May 19, 2013, 1:34:53 PM5/19/13
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Steve <nosp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was interested in starting a Forth hardware forum or mailing list
> for the misc community, but seeing the misbehavior that has grown
> around here for many years, an alternative forum is needed. It has
> reached the point that the dishonest perpetuaters have become
> accepted.
This misbehaviour only exists in your imagination. For that reason,
> I was interested in starting a Forth hardware forum or mailing list
> for the misc community, but seeing the misbehavior that has grown
> around here for many years, an alternative forum is needed. It has
> reached the point that the dishonest perpetuaters have become
> accepted.
wherever you go it'll still be there.
Andrew.
Clyde W. Phillips Jr.
May 19, 2013, 7:39:43 PM5/19/13
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Steve
May 19, 2013, 8:45:20 PM5/19/13
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imagination that it does not exist, now look at everything you post!
When things become so bad, bad behaviour starts becoming acceptable
and people stop seeing it as bad, and objections to bad behaviour
become unacceptable. You just self proved my point.
Steve
May 19, 2013, 8:59:22 PM5/19/13
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active members left, and there is at least one bad onion over there.
What I'm looking for at the moment, is where most of the good ones
have gone. I'm looking for a general forth forum.
Andrew mentioned that adverse behaviour would be everywhere for a
given reason, which is a pretty illogical argument, because if it
existed it could also spread everywhere. But the reality is it has
not, so neither has it spread everywhere nor has been imagined to have
spread everywhere. Now, let's find where it is not.
Steve.
Steve
May 19, 2013, 9:28:38 PM5/19/13
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In interpretation of language each word has a set of possible contexts
it can be interpreted as when reading, but in writing only a subset of
one or more meanings is ussually actually meant. Something the Forth
lacks, but maybe can be built into the language if Arthur is reading.
Actually, a natural language alternative word structure to suite the
context (on basis of meaning, grammar and other cues), is artificial
intelligence to a reactive level at least. Feeding back into itself
becomes progressive active intelligence, with external and extra
inputs feeding into the feedback loop stream. So, maybe this is why
some nameless forth people have so much trouble in understanding
natural language here, though having minds that use natural language
feed back, they, being blind to it, are unable to control their minds
to correctly interpret it. I think most likely ring masters are
trolling instead controlling the sub moods of others. Being likely
aspergeritic, a number of people may seem to have little emotion, but
are simply blind to it, allowing them to be irrationally manipulated
to irrational thought and assessment by ring maters.
So skill has to be carefully used in reading to match the subset of
meanings actually written. The more stupid a person is the more
simply you have to write and explain for them. But it reaches a point
that they could not possibly be that stupid, but that they are
actually pretending to be that stupid to trawl you.
it can be interpreted as when reading, but in writing only a subset of
one or more meanings is ussually actually meant. Something the Forth
lacks, but maybe can be built into the language if Arthur is reading.
Actually, a natural language alternative word structure to suite the
context (on basis of meaning, grammar and other cues), is artificial
intelligence to a reactive level at least. Feeding back into itself
becomes progressive active intelligence, with external and extra
inputs feeding into the feedback loop stream. So, maybe this is why
some nameless forth people have so much trouble in understanding
natural language here, though having minds that use natural language
feed back, they, being blind to it, are unable to control their minds
to correctly interpret it. I think most likely ring masters are
trolling instead controlling the sub moods of others. Being likely
aspergeritic, a number of people may seem to have little emotion, but
are simply blind to it, allowing them to be irrationally manipulated
to irrational thought and assessment by ring maters.
So skill has to be carefully used in reading to match the subset of
meanings actually written. The more stupid a person is the more
simply you have to write and explain for them. But it reaches a point
that they could not possibly be that stupid, but that they are
actually pretending to be that stupid to trawl you.
visua...@rocketmail.com
May 20, 2013, 2:54:17 AM5/20/13
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On Sunday, May 19, 2013 9:28:38 PM UTC-4, Steve wrote:
> ... Being likely
Communication has two aspects - the content aspect and the relation aspect.
If somebody asks me an interesting question, I am able to speak about it for hours. In case of communication is not used to exchange information, but is for relations to someone, I have a problem with it.
CNN recently reported about a German company which was especially founded for people diagnosed with Autism:
http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/business/2013/01/03/pkg-pleitgen-germany-aspergers.cnn
auticon is the first German company to exclusively employ autistic people as software testers and offer their services (especially software tests) on the free market. Jobs for autistic people: this innovative approach gives our clients the advantage of special high-quality workmanship.
http://www.auticon.de
> ... Being likely
> aspergeritic, a number of people may seem to have little emotion, but
> are simply blind to it, allowing them to be irrationally manipulated
> to irrational thought and assessment by ring maters.
> So skill has to be carefully used in reading to match the subset of
> meanings actually written.
May be that's the point!
> are simply blind to it, allowing them to be irrationally manipulated
> to irrational thought and assessment by ring maters.
> So skill has to be carefully used in reading to match the subset of
> meanings actually written.
Communication has two aspects - the content aspect and the relation aspect.
If somebody asks me an interesting question, I am able to speak about it for hours. In case of communication is not used to exchange information, but is for relations to someone, I have a problem with it.
CNN recently reported about a German company which was especially founded for people diagnosed with Autism:
http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/business/2013/01/03/pkg-pleitgen-germany-aspergers.cnn
auticon is the first German company to exclusively employ autistic people as software testers and offer their services (especially software tests) on the free market. Jobs for autistic people: this innovative approach gives our clients the advantage of special high-quality workmanship.
http://www.auticon.de
Steve
May 20, 2013, 3:41:08 AM5/20/13
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thread.
Pretending to be so dumb they cannot understand written language, in
order to get you to explain it again repeatedly was a problem, and
emotionally influenced people irrationally to come along side
themselves, opposing the, now, painted target. Typical emotional pack
behaviour?
But then again, I miss your exact point? :-)
Gerry Jackson
May 20, 2013, 3:53:58 AM5/20/13
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On 20/05/2013 02:28, Steve wrote:
> In interpretation of language each word has a set of possible contexts
> it can be interpreted as when reading, but in writing only a subset of
> one or more meanings is ussually actually meant. Something the Forth
> lacks, but maybe can be built into the language if Arthur is reading.
> Actually, a natural language alternative word structure to suite the
> context (on basis of meaning, grammar and other cues), is artificial
> intelligence to a reactive level at least. Feeding back into itself
> becomes progressive active intelligence, with external and extra
> inputs feeding into the feedback loop stream. So, maybe this is why
> some nameless forth people have so much trouble in understanding
> natural language here, though having minds that use natural language
> feed back, they, being blind to it, are unable to control their minds
> to correctly interpret it. I think most likely ring masters are
> trolling instead controlling the sub moods of others. Being likely
> aspergeritic, a number of people may seem to have little emotion, but
> are simply blind to it, allowing them to be irrationally manipulated
> to irrational thought and assessment by ring maters.
>
> So skill has to be carefully used in reading to match the subset of
> meanings actually written.
Given that one writer has, potentially, many readers I would say that
> In interpretation of language each word has a set of possible contexts
> it can be interpreted as when reading, but in writing only a subset of
> one or more meanings is ussually actually meant. Something the Forth
> lacks, but maybe can be built into the language if Arthur is reading.
> Actually, a natural language alternative word structure to suite the
> context (on basis of meaning, grammar and other cues), is artificial
> intelligence to a reactive level at least. Feeding back into itself
> becomes progressive active intelligence, with external and extra
> inputs feeding into the feedback loop stream. So, maybe this is why
> some nameless forth people have so much trouble in understanding
> natural language here, though having minds that use natural language
> feed back, they, being blind to it, are unable to control their minds
> to correctly interpret it. I think most likely ring masters are
> trolling instead controlling the sub moods of others. Being likely
> aspergeritic, a number of people may seem to have little emotion, but
> are simply blind to it, allowing them to be irrationally manipulated
> to irrational thought and assessment by ring maters.
>
> So skill has to be carefully used in reading to match the subset of
> meanings actually written.
"skill has to be carefully used" to write something with only one
meaning. Anything with more than one meaning is ambiguous and will lead
to misunderstandings and questions - as you seem to have discovered.
The more stupid a person is the more
> simply you have to write and explain for them. But it reaches a point
> that they could not possibly be that stupid, but that they are
> actually pretending to be that stupid to trawl you.
>
--
Gerry
Paul Rubin
May 20, 2013, 3:54:40 AM5/20/13
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Your best bet may be to start a Wordpress blog. That lets you post
articles that people can comment on, you can moderate the comments, you
can extend posting privileges to other people of your choice, etc. You
get a fair amount of control over the presentation style and it's very
easy to operate. There are more flexible solutions available but those
are more complex and (in the Forth spirit) you may well find you don't
need the extra functionality. You can always pursue fancier solutions
later if you find them necessary.
articles that people can comment on, you can moderate the comments, you
can extend posting privileges to other people of your choice, etc. You
get a fair amount of control over the presentation style and it's very
easy to operate. There are more flexible solutions available but those
are more complex and (in the Forth spirit) you may well find you don't
need the extra functionality. You can always pursue fancier solutions
later if you find them necessary.
Alex McDonald
May 20, 2013, 5:34:43 AM5/20/13
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On May 20, 8:54 am, Paul Rubin <no.em...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Facebook perhaps, as it allows you to be picky about your friends.
There are programming groups that use it. https://en-gb.facebook.com/SIGPLAN.
Or for pared back to the bone simplicity, Twitter. At 144 characters,
it should appeal to Forth programmers.
Hey, there's a thought! With the use of hashtags and @names, you could
write a distributed, multi-client multi-servers Twitmesh or Tweetrix.
#forth include complex-lib complex-calc perform s" @myhandle" tweet
Perfect for Forth, with it's succinct style.
There are programming groups that use it. https://en-gb.facebook.com/SIGPLAN.
Or for pared back to the bone simplicity, Twitter. At 144 characters,
it should appeal to Forth programmers.
Hey, there's a thought! With the use of hashtags and @names, you could
write a distributed, multi-client multi-servers Twitmesh or Tweetrix.
#forth include complex-lib complex-calc perform s" @myhandle" tweet
Perfect for Forth, with it's succinct style.
Steve
May 20, 2013, 5:40:53 AM5/20/13
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Gerry Jackson wrote:
> On 20/05/2013 02:28, Steve wrote:
> >
> > So skill has to be carefully used in reading to match the subset of
> > meanings actually written.
>
> Given that one writer has, potentially, many readers I would say that
> "skill has to be carefully used" to write something with only one
> meaning. Anything with more than one meaning is ambiguous and will lead
discovered.
That is the point Gerry, I know the issues, so I generally write in
simple single meaning elements when explaining those things. However,
there are people so full of themselves in their own thoughts, they
juggle up the simple elements and confuse themselves, simply too lazy
to be bothered. Don't matter how simple you write it over and over
again, they have this potential to mix it up. I know somebody with
this sort of dyslexic behaviour, it is very much like Homer Simpson,
every time somethings goes in it gets mixed up with what they are
thinking feeling or desiring and becomes weird, changing conversation
every 30 seconds or so. Trolls know this, so they come back
pretending to not understand over and over again on the same price if
information even, and shifting topics to continue it on. Eventually
they reach levels where no sane professional be that dumb. I have a
number of family groups of stereo typical relatives in our culture.
One group is smart alexs, and one trick is to pretend you did not hear
or understand something to get people to repeat themselves over and
over. Rick man would not stand a chance in a family gathering :-)
Have had the me no understand routine done to me a number of times,
now I just watch them dance around disco boggying, and see if they
fess up eventually. Sad to watch actually.
Now, for general speech, especially dealing with harraser's behaviour
instead of on a technical level, I feel free to use multiple
meanings. They want to dominate you, but if they can't even match you
their quest is silly.
>
> The more stupid a person is the more
> > simply you have to write and explain for them. But it reaches a point
> > that they could not possibly be that stupid, but that they are
> > actually pretending to be that stupid to trawl you.
> >
>
> I don't think that's been the case.
The same person has tried this on me before years ago.
I'm sorry for them, we could have all had a great time, instead of
trying to have a little time at some bodies expense.
Thanks for your observations Gerry.
Steve.
> --
> Gerry
Steve
May 20, 2013, 5:58:53 AM5/20/13
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just trying to get to an existing place with a suitable grade of
people where ultra low grades are not allowed to practice their
rubbish. Put simply, as far as understanding goes, if people can't
understand the simple things in this they are doomed to be followers
rather than participants. What is happening is just narcotic group
think, it isn't really.
I have thought of WordPress before, but you can't carry your posts
over with you and immediately drop them into another format of blog or
forum, as far as I know. Starting a site with a service that supports
a blog and forum, then expanding from a blog to a forum eventually,
would be a path. Anyway, the trolls have robbed too much time here.
I gave you honorable mention over in the other thread, as one of the
more successful/reasonable people to aspire to rather than sitting
around complaining and playing around with others.
Thanks again.
Steve.
Steve
May 20, 2013, 9:04:03 AM5/20/13
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Looks like more people are urinating in my thread. I've taken it up
to the next level, they'll stop messing about or burn themselves out
eventually. Some are real bad, some just put their foot in it and are
not happy. If only they could expend this amount of energy doing
something useful.
Just getting warned up for something I don't even want. Mass of crazy
people.
to the next level, they'll stop messing about or burn themselves out
eventually. Some are real bad, some just put their foot in it and are
not happy. If only they could expend this amount of energy doing
something useful.
Just getting warned up for something I don't even want. Mass of crazy
people.
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