Foul news
Greg Bailey
I would rather be writing about all the good things that have happened in
the past few weeks in terms of our readiness to ship chips, but instead have
some very foul news to pass along.
Jeff Fox died at 62 of a heart attack some time before 1030 PDT this
morning, at his home in Berkeley. His ex-wife, who had been helping him
take good care of himself, came back from an hour's errands to find him
slumped over his computer. She called for medical assistance and
immediately applied CPR but apparently it was just too long after the event.
This was a surprise as Jeff's recovery from an earlier episode of congestive
heart failure had apparently been going very well.
Jeff asked to be cremated.
Requiescat in Pace, old friend.
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Alex Wegel
Krishna Myneni
I'm very sorry to hear this. I only knew Jeff through brief
interaction here in c.l.f., but it was clear that Jeff had a very
positive view of the potential of the Forth language in its natural
domain, that of low-level hardware applications. Jeff's lively
discussions in c.l.f. evoked much interest and response. He will be
missed.
Krishna
Pablo Hugo Reda
For me it was a great source of inspiration and I appreciate your
attention and advice when I asked questions here.
I miss you Mr. Fox. I don't forget you.
Hugh Aguilar
> Jeff Fox died at 62 of a heart attack some time before 1030 PDT this
> morning, at his home in Berkeley. His ex-wife, who had been helping him
> take good care of himself, came back from an hour's errands to find him
> slumped over his computer.
That is sad news. I have been exchanging emails with him recently in
regard to my Forth standard that I am writing as an alternative to the
mess that is Forth-200x. He knows more about Forth philosophy than I
do, so I was really learning a lot from him. He had told me that he
wasn't doing any coding any more, and that he had several adventures
that he wanted to do now that he is retired --- that is the really sad
thing, that he didn't get to do those adventures that he had earned
after his many years of programming work.
I'm going to dedicate my language standard to Jeff. He won't live to
see it, but Elizabeth Rather and the rest of the Forth-200x committee
will be defeated. They screwed up Forth-79, Forth-83 and ANS-Forth,
and now they are screwing up Forth-200x --- but they will be defeated.
Forth will no longer be considered to be a toy interpreter written in
C (Gforth) or a non-optimizing bloated monstrosity (SwiftForth), but
will be considered to be a viable alternative to C. I will call my
language Straight (as in, not gay) --- Elizabeth Rather can continue
to champion public homosexual behavior on comp.lang.forth, but I won't
tolerate it. Jeff Fox was the exact opposite of a faggot in every way
--- he was a decent honest person.
Mark
communication with Jeff some years ago, but I stopped using Forth.
Today I program embedded systems, and while I don't use Forth, all the
ideas I learned from Chuck have been very useful in my work. I'm
thankful for Jeff for reporting on developments in Forth and
supporting Chuck in his work. I never met Jeff in person, but there
seemed to be a lot frustration in his writing and maybe that
contributed to his health problems, but maybe this has to with
investing so much time in a neglected technology. The green arrays
seem interesting me, it is why I still check in here once in a while,
hopefully they will find some success.
van...@vsta.org
> Jeff Fox died at 62 of a heart attack some time before 1030 PDT this
> morning, at his home in Berkeley.
I just went through my archive of messages from/to Jeff. We always
seemed to be on compatible wavelengths, and I always assumed that we'd
eventually get to work together. Alas, not this time around.
I'm going to go drink a toast to Jeff. There's not enough like him
anyway, and now we have to press on with a hole in the ranks.
--
Andy Valencia
Home page: http://www.vsta.org/andy/
To contact me: http://www.vsta.org/contact/andy.html
Dennis
A later note from Greg regarding a request for information about a
memorial:
"Jane said that Jeff specifically did not want a memorial or
anything. We can each remember him in our own ways, together or apart
as seems best."
I did have the pleasure of meeting Jeff face-to-face on a few
occasions, and although I did not always agree with his opinions, I
know he always had the best of intentions.
No matter how any of us felt about him, we have lost someone who's
tireless efforts have contributed greatly to the Forth Language that
we love. I hope we all can find time to reflect on his
accomplishments.
My God bless him and give him the rest that he so richly deserves!
DaR
Dennis
"My" should be "May"
Paul Rubin
> Jeff Fox died at 62 of a heart attack some time before 1030 PDT this
> morning, at his home in Berkeley.
Ouch, I am very sorry to hear this. RIP Jeff.
Ray St. Marie
> Jeff Fox died at 62 of a heart attack some time before 1030 PDT this
> morning, at his home in Berkeley. His ex-wife, who had been helping him
> take good care of himself, came back from an hour's errands to find him
> slumped over his computer. She called for medical assistance and
> immediately applied CPR but apparently it was just too long after the event.
> This was a surprise as Jeff's recovery from an earlier episode of congestive
> heart failure had apparently been going very well.
>
> Jeff asked to be cremated.
>
> Requiescat in Pace, old friend.
>
> -------------------------------------------------
> Greg Bailey
Greg, thank you for telling us.
Thank you, those who have expressed what we all must be feeling just
now. I only add :
Thank goodness for the internet as a medium he used to publish what
became, at least for me, his mentorship. He took the time to converse
with me over the years. Taught me. Sought me out, on occasion, to give
me gifts of code, to entertain my opinion, to share his own ... and I
am very honored by that.
We will always have his words.
My heart felt condolences for his family.
TOAST TO YOU, KIND SIR!
Paul Rubin
> Thank goodness for the internet as a medium he used to publish what
> became, at least for me, his mentorship. He took the time to converse
> with me over the years. Taught me. Sought me out, on occasion, to give
> me gifts of code, to entertain my opinion, to share his own ... and I
> am very honored by that.
>
> We will always have his words.
I agree with this; I was not exactly buddies with him but I learned a
lot from his posts here and from his web site.
I hope his web site can be kept operational since there is a lot of good
info there. I can make a small donation towards that if it helps. I
had also just been thinking yesterday that archive.org would be a good
place for him to upload his Forth videos that aren't already on his
site.
My condolences to his family and friends.
Paul
Colin MacIntyre
"If you want to follow Me, you must deny yourself. You must pick up your cross and follow me. The person who wants to save his life must lose it, and she who loses her life for Me will find it. Look, does it make sense to truly become successful, but then to hand over your very soul? What could you trade that is even close to being worth it?
The Son of Man will come in His Father's glory, with His heavenly messengers, and then He will reward each person for what has been done."
Andrew Haley
Indeed, he will be much missed. It seems rather feeble just to say
"me too", but in this case it's appropriate.
Andrew.
MarkWills
My last email from Jeff was two days ago. He'd offered to send me
copies of his Forth related video archives on tape and DVD. I was
going to make them available on the web, since he didn't have time to
do it "now that I'm retired!".
I have been corresponding with Jeff for around two years. He taught me
a lot about Forth, and helped me in many ways. Just last week he
invited me to his place to go for a drive in his Lotus down to Incline
to Green Arrays.
Rest, my friend. I'll miss you.
The Beez'
I'm really sad to hear that and my thoughts are with him and all those
he left behind. I know Jeff as a person who had a lot of love for
Forth and was IMHO the spokesman of a special school of Forth users
and developers. He had a unique view on Forth and the direction it
should take and although I didn't always agree with his I will
honestly miss his views, ideas and opinions. I learned a lot from him,
was an avid reader of his writings, in short: a man who I did respect
and value very much.
Hans Bezemer
Chuck Durrett
David N. Williams
> Gang,
>
> I would rather be writing about all the good things that have happened
> in the past few weeks in terms of our readiness to ship chips, but
> instead have some very foul news to pass along.
>
> Jeff Fox died at 62 of a heart attack some time before 1030 PDT this
> morning, at his home in Berkeley. His ex-wife, who had been helping him
> take good care of himself, came back from an hour's errands to find him
> slumped over his computer. She called for medical assistance and
> immediately applied CPR but apparently it was just too long after the
> event. This was a surprise as Jeff's recovery from an earlier episode of
> congestive heart failure had apparently been going very well.
>
> Jeff asked to be cremated.
>
> Requiescat in Pace, old friend.
Not welcome news! R.I.P., Jeff.
-- David
Bernd Paysan
> I'm going to dedicate my language standard to Jeff. He won't live to
> see it, but Elizabeth Rather and the rest of the Forth-200x committee
> will be defeated.
Elizabeth is not part of the Forth-200x committee.
> They screwed up Forth-79, Forth-83 and ANS-Forth,
> and now they are screwing up Forth-200x --- but they will be defeated.
Oh man, can you stop spitting out your foul words for a second, when
it's about to mourn someone lost?
Yes, Jeff will be definitely missed here.
--
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
http://www.jwdt.com/~paysan/
Mux
Very sad news indeed.Jeff was one of the torch-bearers for Forth and a
genuinely nice guy. His website, which somebody should archive, was a
treasure-trove of information and a place to find all sorts of things.
May you rest in peace Jeff1
-Mux
Jason Damisch
> I hope his web site can be kept operational since there is a lot of good
> info there. I can make a small donation towards that if it helps. I
> had also just been thinking yesterday that archive.org would be a good
> place for him to upload his Forth videos that aren't already on his
> site.
I have already copied his website to my hard drive. There are not
videos included in my copy as Jeff had disabled those links some
time ago. One option, if people would be inclined to do so, would
be to mirror his site with a hosting company which has been around
for a very long time, and which probably won't go away anytime soon.
People could donate into a pot, and I would get the hosting and pay
for it from this money. I'd like to be able to pay for five years
in advance.
Free hosting can go away at some point.
I would also link a zip file of the entire site to the mirror, so
that people could download it for added assurances, put up their
own mirrors, or whatever.
Jason
Brad
>
> Jeff asked to be cremated.
>
> Requiescat in Pace, old friend.
>
Please look into some DNA banks. Future generations will be very
interested in our time and will be able to extract valuable data from
DNA samples.
-Brad
John Passaniti
> I have already copied his website to my hard drive. There
> are not videos included in my copy as Jeff had disabled
> those links some time ago. One option, if people would be
> inclined to do so, would be to mirror his site with a
> hosting company which has been around for a very long
> time, and which probably won't go away anytime soon.
That's an odd requirement, probably driven by a confusion over the
distinction between a web site and a domain name for the web site.
All someone needs to do is either get a new domain name for this or
find someone who will be willing to add a second-level domain to an
existing stable domain name. GreenArrays for example might be willing
to do that. Or colorforth.com.
Then once that domain name is established, it can point to any web
site and be seamlessly changed at any time. Indirection is your
friend.
So it doesn't matter about the longevity of the hosting provider.
Find one you like and point to it with the domain name. If the
hosting provider no longer makes sense (they disappear, another
provider offers more for less, etc.), move it.
> People could donate into a pot, and I would get the hosting
> and pay for it from this money. I'd like to be able to pay
> for five years in advance.
That's insane. Do you even know you'll like the hosting provider five
years from now? I have no problem with people contributing money to
setting up a stable web site archiving Jeff's site. But to pre-pay
for hosting? That's nuts. Pay for it as you need it-- no more than a
year ahead of time, unless you get a *very* good deal.
> Free hosting can go away at some point.
Yes, which is why you use the domain name to provide the indirection
from the actual hosting provider.
> I would also link a zip file of the entire site to the
> mirror, so that people could download it for added
> assurances, put up their own mirrors, or whatever.
I just started a quick download of www.ultratechnology.com and found
that there are random links to content that either isn't there or
which doesn't have the right permissions. So unless someone has those
files (mostly media files), they are lost.
Later tonight I'll do a download of the web site to my server and
generate a report of the missing files and off-site links.
MarkWills
> that there are random links to content that either isn't there or
> which doesn't have the right permissions. So unless someone has those
> files (mostly media files), they are lost.
>
> Later tonight I'll do a download of the web site to my server and
> generate a report of the missing files and off-site links.
I've downloaded Jeff's site today. I'll upload it to forthfiles.net
later this evening. I own that particular domain, so it won't be going
away anytime soon. Also, I don't imagine Jeff's site will be vanishing
any time soon.
Just two days ago, Jeff and I were talking about archiving his Forth
videos to YouTube. Jeff was going to send them to me, and I was going
to upload them. I doubt if Jeff got a chance to post anything to me
before he died.
I've saved the videos on video.google.com - that site closes for good
on 13th May, taking all the video's on there with it. I'll start
uploading the videos that I have to YouTube this evening.
Mark
Paul E. Bennett
> Gang,
>
> I would rather be writing about all the good things that have happened in
> the past few weeks in terms of our readiness to ship chips, but instead
> have some very foul news to pass along.
>
> Jeff Fox died at 62 of a heart attack some time before 1030 PDT this
> morning, at his home in Berkeley. His ex-wife, who had been helping him
> take good care of himself, came back from an hour's errands to find him
> slumped over his computer. She called for medical assistance and
> immediately applied CPR but apparently it was just too long after the
> event. This was a surprise as Jeff's recovery from an earlier episode of
> congestive heart failure had apparently been going very well.
>
> Jeff asked to be cremated.
>
> Requiescat in Pace, old friend.
I shall miss Jeff's postings here. My thoughts are with the family Jeff
leaves behind. May his spirit continue where his body may not.
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MarkWills
Fanzo
> Gang,
>
> I would rather be writing about all the good things that have happened
> in the past few weeks in terms of our readiness to ship chips, but
> instead have some very foul news to pass along.
>
> Jeff Fox died at 62 of a heart attack some time before 1030 PDT this
> morning, at his home in Berkeley. His ex-wife, who had been helping him
> take good care of himself, came back from an hour's errands to find him
> slumped over his computer. She called for medical assistance and
> immediately applied CPR but apparently it was just too long after the
> event. This was a surprise as Jeff's recovery from an earlier episode of
> congestive heart failure had apparently been going very well.
>
> Jeff asked to be cremated.
>
> Requiescat in Pace, old friend.
>
> Greg Bailey, President | 775-298-4748 main
> GreenArrays, Inc. | 775-548-8547 fax
> 774 Mays Blvd #10 PMB 320 | 775-298-4801 direct
> Incline Village NV 89451 | 971-235-2385 cell
>
Sad things ...
I read same paper on his site
Cristiano
John Passaniti
> I've downloaded Jeff's site today. I'll upload it to
> forthfiles.net later this evening. I own that particular
> domain, so it won't be going away anytime soon. Also,
> I don't imagine Jeff's site will be vanishing any time
> soon.
The domain name "ultratechnology.com" will expire May 15, 2012 (unless
renewed by someone). The hosting is apparently on the same personal
web site as Michael Alyn Miller (strangegizmo.com). I don't know what
Mr. Miller's intentions are regarding Jeff's content. If he says it
will be available for a long time, great. Without certain knowledge
about that, mirroring elsewhere makes sense.
I believe there is a lot of worthwhile information on Jeff's web
site. And so I think it's a great idea for you and others to download
the site and make mirrors available elsewhere. I plan on doing this
myself. Anyone who is interested in doing this, be aware that the web
site has many hard-coded non-relative references to content. So
you'll want to use a utility like "wget" to not just mirror the site,
but also rewrite those references to self-relative links:
wget -mk http://www.ultratechnology.com
The domain name "forthfiles.net" currently resolves to a placeholder
page. If it's your intention to put a generalized archive of Forth-
related files there, great, and a mirror of Jeff's site would be a
good start. What I objected to is Jason's idea of having everyone
chip in and purchase hosting services from a provider. I and likely
many others in comp.lang.forth have our own servers and/or sites and
are more than happy to allocate space for an archive of Jeff's site
for free. The usual objection to people offering free hosting
services is that it could go away at any time. That's not likely in
my case and most others who depend on their servers and/or sites. But
to address that, I suggested indirection through a domain name,
allowing the archive to be hosted anywhere but have a consistent name.
Maybe now is good time to make this suggestion more concretely:
What if the Forth community collectively purchased (and maintained) a
domain name, such as ForthArchive.com. Once that exists, we can
freely add second-level domains like JeffFox.ForthArchive.com and
JulianNobel.ForthArchive.com and so on. Each of those second-level
domains points to a mirror, which means it can change, but the URL
would remain consistent. Maybe initially these archives are all on
one site-- great. But if the owner of that site flakes out, we can
repoint to a new mirror at any time.
The problems with the server that maintained the Forth Dimensions
archive illustrate the problem. That server had longish periods of
flakey behavior which led to myself and others mirroring that content
on our sites. Had we had a second-level domain
for that content, someone could have stepped forward to offer a
mirror, and nobody would have been affected.
The name "ForthArchive.com" is a suggestion. It's (currently)
available, but others may have better ideas.
The major function of such a domain name would be for the Forth
community to collectively honor past individuals, companies, and
publications that have contributed to Forth. By indirecting through a
domain name, we have a consistent virtual place for people to attach
mirrors and other kinds of sites. For those of you who still don't
understand the distinction between a domain name and the web site
connected to that domain, you can think of this as a sort of Forth-
specific "tinyurl.com" or "bit.ly" service which can be updated as
necessary.
Mentifex
> [...]
> I would rather be writing about all the good
> things that have happened in the past few weeks
> in terms of our readiness to ship chips, but
> instead have some very foul news to pass along.
>
> Jeff Fox died at 62 of a heart attack some time
> before 1030 PDT this morning, at his home in Berkeley.
Oh, no. This news is terrible. Jeff Fox was one of
my best friends in the Forth community. I can
honestly say that the MindForth AI project owes
its very existence to the good offices of Jeff
Fox.
Back on Sat.26.NOV.1994, I got my Amiga Mind.REXX
AI to produce its first good results, and so in
December of 1995 I posted news of Mind.REXX in
some prominent computer language newsgroups,
including comp.lang.forth where we all are now.
People did not respond to me in the other groups,
but Jeff Fox and the roboticist "JRU" responded
from comp.lang.forth. Because of the encouraging
responses from Jeff Fox and JRU, I decided to
learn Forth and code my AI program in Forth.
JRU was an electrical engineer who had to visit
Boeing in Seattle around May of 1995, so JRU
visited me once or twice in Seattle and taught
me a few things about Forth while sitting at
my Amiga 1000 computer. Meanwhile, Jeff Fox
sent me e-mails with lots of helpful advice.
An Amiga buddy of mine from Seattle, Steve R.,
had to visit the Bay Area to attend a REXX
conference at the Stanford Linear Accelerator
(SLAC), and somehow Jeff Fox hosted Steve R. for
dinner to discuss my Mentifex AI project.
Then in late 1997, somebody on Usenet attacked
me in comp.robotics.misc and Jeff Fox came
resoundingly to my defense. I was so honored
and so grateful to Jeff Fox that I decided to
spend the entire year of 1998 working hard
on my MindForth AI project. Over the years,
I have wanted to prove to Jeff Fox that I
was trying to measure up to his expectations
of me and my Forth AI project. My buddy
Steve R. came back from having dinner in 1995
with Jeff Fox and told me that Jeff Fox was
a martial arts expert, so I thought that
Jeff Fox was hale and hearty. I also thought
that he was older than I am, but apparently
he was younger than I with my 1946 birthdate.
Old friend Jeff, you have been a major influence
on my life, and I will miss you until I also die.
Sincerely,
Arthur T. Murray
--
http://code.google.com/p/mindforth
forth...@forthfiles.net
Arthur,
A touching message. I feel your pain. I just don't know what to do
with myself today. I'm in total shock. Jeff has been a major part of
my life for over two years, with almost daily email exchanges between
us. He'd invited me over to his place to check out his Lotus Elan
(being British, I like my British sports cars) and talk about Forth.
Feeling lost at the moment. Oh well. I suppose this isn't the forum
for talking like this...
jsgraham
> Gang,
>
> I would rather be writing about all the good things that have happened
> in the past few weeks in terms of our readiness to ship chips, but
> instead have some very foul news to pass along.
>
> Jeff Fox died at 62 of a heart attack some time before 1030 PDT this
> take good care of himself, came back from an hour's errands to find him
> slumped over his computer. She called for medical assistance and
> immediately applied CPR but apparently it was just too long after the
> event. This was a surprise as Jeff's recovery from an earlier episode of
> congestive heart failure had apparently been going very well.
>
> Jeff asked to be cremated.
>
> Requiescat in Pace, old friend.
>
> -------------------------------------------------
> Greg Bailey, President | 775-298-4748 main
> GreenArrays, Inc. | 775-548-8547 fax
> 774 Mays Blvd #10 PMB 320 | 775-298-4801 direct
> Incline Village NV 89451 | 971-235-2385 cell
>
I only knew Jeff from c.l.f. He was obviously quite knowledgeable and
talented and was quite liberal in giving assistance.
My condolences to those he left behind.
Steve Graham
jacko
jacko
BruceMcF
Elizabeth D Rather
> Gang,
>
> I would rather be writing about all the good things that have happened
> in the past few weeks in terms of our readiness to ship chips, but
> instead have some very foul news to pass along.
>
> Jeff Fox died at 62 of a heart attack some time before 1030 PDT this
> morning, at his home in Berkeley. His ex-wife, who had been helping him
> take good care of himself, came back from an hour's errands to find him
> slumped over his computer. She called for medical assistance and
> immediately applied CPR but apparently it was just too long after the
> event. This was a surprise as Jeff's recovery from an earlier episode of
> congestive heart failure had apparently been going very well.
>
> Jeff asked to be cremated.
>
> Requiescat in Pace, old friend.
Although I sometimes crossed swords with Jeff, I never doubted his
loyalty, dedication, and service to Forth and to Chuck. My thoughts are
with his family and friends at this time.
I also note that he was an important emissary for GreenArrays in this
forum. I very much hope that someone from GA will pick up his mantle and
drop in here from time to time to keep us posted, answer questions, etc.
Best wishes,
Elizabeth
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FORTH Inc. +1 310.999.6784
5959 West Century Blvd. Suite 700
Los Angeles, CA 90045
http://www.forth.com
"Forth-based products and Services for real-time
applications since 1973."
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Albert van der Horst
Greg Bailey <gr...@GreenArrayChips.com> wrote:
>Gang,
>
>I would rather be writing about all the good things that have happened in
>the past few weeks in terms of our readiness to ship chips, but instead have
>some very foul news to pass along.
>
>Jeff Fox died at 62 of a heart attack some time before 1030 PDT this
>morning, at his home in Berkeley.
He will be missed as a person, but this is also a loss to the world.
His recent post about a speaking voltmeter had me review a couple
of video's from ultratechnology. This made me appreciate again
what a tremendous work his website is, and how much dedication it
required to accumulate that much knowledge. Just now I have the idea I
somewhat know him, because of his appearance in the video's, his
precise formulations, and his voice.
I do hope that his work will be preserved.
It is sad that he will not be there to celebrate the success of the
GA144 in the coming months.
My condoleances to all who knew him better than I did.
>Greg Bailey, President | 775-298-4748 main
Groetjes Albert
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Wolfgang Allinger
On 05 May 11 at group /comp/lang/forth in article
<bernd....@gmx.de> (Bernd Paysan) wrote:
>Hugh Aguilar wrote:
>> I'm going to dedicate my language standard to Jeff.
Jeff might not be pleased, because:
>> He won't live to
>> see it, but Elizabeth Rather and the rest of the Forth-200x
>> committee will be defeated.
>Elizabeth is not part of the Forth-200x committee.
>> They screwed up Forth-79, Forth-83 and ANS-Forth,
>> and now they are screwing up Forth-200x --- but they will be
>> defeated.
>Oh man, can you stop spitting out your foul words for a second, when
>it's about to mourn someone lost?
>
>Yes, Jeff will be definitely missed here.
Full ACK.
Hugh is well on the way that we will not say that about him. Hopefully
Hugh will have a long life, so that he eventually find someone, who
regrets his pass away.
Sorry that Jeff passed away, ;(
Some years ago I had a long interesting discussion via email with Jeff
about sport cars.
I hope Jeff finds a good cloud in heaven, just the 4th one on the right
side should please him.
Saludos Wolfgang
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Bluebee
> Gang,
>
> morning, at his home in Berkeley.
>
>
I always liked to read Jeff's writings, especially about his heuristic
aha architecture.
Through his websites he always has been an inspiring friend to me.
It' such a pity that he passed away in this "young" age.
I am 66 now and enjoying my time working on visualFORTH and other
stuff.
My condolences to his family and friends.
Dirk Bruehl
visualFORTH.org
John.K.S...@gmail.com
The world was better with him, he will be missed.
John
Paul Rubin
> I've saved the videos on video.google.com - that site closes for good
> on 13th May, taking all the video's on there with it. I'll start
> uploading the videos that I have to YouTube this evening.
Google Video has gotten a reprieve and they are going to migrate the
content to youtube, I heard.
If you're going to upload stuff, how about uploading to archive.org
instead of youtube, since it's download-friendly, transcodes
automatically to open format, and doesn't have ads. For this purpose
it's better to start with higher resolution original videos instead of
google video downloads, though.
Paul Rubin
> What if the Forth community collectively purchased (and maintained) a
> The major function of such a domain name would be for the Forth
> community to collectively honor past individuals, companies, and
> publications that have contributed to Forth. By indirecting through a
> domain name, we have a consistent virtual place for people to attach
> mirrors and other kinds of sites.
How about setting something like that up through forth.org? It's
probably as stable as anything else.
Howerd
From my perspective knowing Jeff only in the virtual world of Forth
chat, emails and newsgroups, I would like to celebrate his
achievements, wisdom and willingness to share his understanding :
The F21 in a mouse ( http://www.ultratechnology.com/scope.htm ) blew
my mind!
Lots of colorForth help and ideas, neat colorForth multi-node source
formatting.
The graphics processor that executed the image - create a new window
with a jump instruction - wow!
Explaining the port access on the F18 to me...
SO much more.......
As others have noted, Jeff will be missed.
Howerd
On May 5, 12:28 am, "Greg Bailey" <g...@GreenArrayChips.com> wrote:
> Gang,
>
> I would rather be writing about all the good things that have happened in
> the past few weeks in terms of our readiness to ship chips, but instead have
> some very foul news to pass along.
>
> Jeff Fox died at 62 of a heart attack some time before 1030 PDT this
> morning, at his home in Berkeley. His ex-wife, who had been helping him
> take good care of himself, came back from an hour's errands to find him
> slumped over his computer. She called for medical assistance and
> immediately applied CPR but apparently it was just too long after the event.
> This was a surprise as Jeff's recovery from an earlier episode of congestive
> heart failure had apparently been going very well.
>
> Jeff asked to be cremated.
>
> Requiescat in Pace, old friend.
>
> -------------------------------------------------
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John Passaniti
> I believe there is a lot of worthwhile information on
> Jeff's web site. And so I think it's a great idea for
> you and others to download the site and make mirrors
> available elsewhere. I plan on doing this myself.
In case anyone is interested, the accessible content on Jeff's web
site amounts to approximately 13 megabytes and there are 14 references
that were not found and 71 references to files that are probably
there, but which don't have proper permissions. The vast majority of
these 85 reference errors are media files, many of which may be
available elsewhere:
www.ultratechnology.com/torrent/cardiac99.mpg.torrent 404: Not Found.
www.ultratechnology.com/torrent/cfnice.mpeg.torrent 404: Not Found.
www.ultratechnology.com/torrent/93int640.wmv.torrent 404: Not Found.
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www.ultratechnology.com/tape1.rm 403: Forbidden.
www.ultratechnology.com/tape1.mpg 403: Forbidden.
www.ultratechnology.com/fsc98.rm 403: Forbidden.
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www.ultratechnology.com/p8.html 404: Not Found.
Anyone who wants to download the entire site as a tar.bz2 file can get
it here:
http://japanisshinto.com/stuff/www.ultratechnology.com.tar.bz2
These files have absolute references to http://www.ultratechnology.com
replaced with relative references. There are likely other absolute
references that need correction.
John Passaniti
> How about setting something like that up through
> forth.org? It's probably as stable as anything
> else.
If you mean forth.org the domain name, that would be Skip Carter's
call and dependent on his ability to update the nameserver's address
records.
Mat
forgotten.
Brad
>
> May God bless him and give him the rest that he so richly deserves!
>
May his mansion come with a T1 line.
Michael Losh
> Unfortunate and sad. I was a user of colorForth and had been in
> communication with Jeff some years ago, but I stopped using Forth.
> Today I program embedded systems, and while I don't use Forth, all the
> ideas I learned from Chuck have been very useful in my work. I'm
> thankful for Jeff for reporting on developments in Forth and
> supporting Chuck in his work. I never met Jeff in person, but there
> seemed to be a lot frustration in his writing and maybe that
> contributed to his health problems, but maybe this has to with
> investing so much time in a neglected technology. The green arrays
> seem interesting me, it is why I still check in here once in a while,
> hopefully they will find some success.
Almost every word written here by Mark I would have said in a similar
way, except I did meet Jeff briefly at the one SVFIG I was able to
attend in the mid-90's.
So long Jeff. You will be missed.
Mark W. Humphries
Hugh Aguilar
> On 05 May 11 at group /comp/lang/forth in article
>
> >> I'm going to dedicate my language standard to Jeff.
>
> Jeff might not be pleased
I think that Jeff Fox was okay with anybody who worked in opposition
to Forth-200x. Whether or not he would consider my effort to be the
best, is unknown. So long as I'm in opposition to Forth-200x however,
then I think he would be supportive.
It is not really possible to do a worse job than Forth-200x. Well,
there is Passaniti's Forth-in-Perl, but that doesn't count because it
is not a serious effort at writing Forth. Passaniti is just trying to
mock the Forth community by telling everybody that Forth can be
implemented in Perl. He is not trying to make a positive contribution.
Anybody who seriously tries to do better than Forth-200x however,
should be able to succeed.
Right now Elizabeth Rather is saying that she and Jeff Fox "sometimes
crossed swords." That is a gross understatement, as there is no known
case in which they ever agreed on anything. This trend of
understatement will continue. In another five years, Elizabeth Rather
will be telling everybody that Jeff Fox was a staunch supporter of
Forth-200x.
On a similar note, right now Bernd Payson is representing himself as a
peer of Jeff Fox. That isn't true either. A person can either be a
peer of Jeff Fox, or be a peer of the homosexual community. Payson has
obviously chosen the latter, as he treats Passaniti as a peer, and he
tells everybody on comp.lang.forth about his many gay friends that he
considers to be peers. This trend of making Jeff Fox into something
that he wasn't, will continue. In another five years, Bernd Payson
will be telling everybody that Jeff Fox was a staunch supporter of
comp.lang.forth becoming a purely gay forum.
Within the context of these hijackings of Jeff Fox's memory, my
decision to dedicate my language to Jeff Fox is okay. I'm not claiming
that I ever had his 100% approval. The fact that he was working with
me though, at least indicates that I am moving in the same general
direction. By comparison, Elizabeth Rather and Bernd Payson were and
are moving in the exact opposite direction.
> >Yes, Jeff will be definitely missed here.
>
> Hugh is well on the way that we will not say that about him. Hopefully
> Hugh will have a long life, so that he eventually find someone, who
> regrets his pass away.
I'm sure that if I died today, people on comp.lang.forth would respond
pretty much the same way that they are responding to Jeff Fox's death.
Elizabeth Rather will say that I was a staunch supporter of
Forth-200x. Bernd Payson will say that I was one of his many gay
friends. Passaniti will say that I cheerfully accepted the fact that
my software sucks, but that I was gradually improving under his
tutelage. I will finally be welcomed into the comp.lang.forth
community!
Here we have Elizabeth Rather telling me that I'm intolerant and
homophobic, and no longer welcome:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.forth/browse_thread/thread/c37b473ec4da66f1
At that time, if I had agreed with Passaniti that my software "sucks"
and that I "pulled it out of my ass," I could have been welcomed into
the comp.lang.forth community without further ado. I didn't agree to
this though, so now it will have to wait for my death for me to be
welcomed into the comp.lang.forth community. What the living found to
be impossible, the dead do with ease.
Alex McDonald
<foulness snipped>
Your unspeakable foulness knows no bounds. People who were close to
Jeff, worked with him, agreed and disagreed with him, loved him,
respected him and so on have paid their respects here. Dedicate all
you like to him, but please don't attach yourself to him like some
ugly leech, or pollute the memories others had of him, or misrepresent
him as you've done here. The living can fight back; the dead can't,
and deserve far more respect than you appear capable of showing.
Zbiggy
> Jeff Fox died at 62 of a heart attack
Very sad news...
--
Z
BF
There are never adequate words for the passing of a friend.
He will be missed. My sincere condolences to his family.
Brian Fox
Leo Wong
>
>
> Very sad news...
> --
> Z
Yes, very sad.
LW
Jerry Petrey
Forth community and was a person who devoted a lot of his time in
helping others - that is a nice legacy to leave!
Jerry Petrey
Wayne
wrote:
> Gang,
>
> I would rather be writing about all the good things that have happened
> in the past few weeks in terms of our readiness to ship chips, but
> instead have some very foul news to pass along.
>
> Jeff Fox died at 62 of a heart attack some time before 1030 PDT this
> morning,
Yes, this is sad news, and on my birthday which already was not great.
On Thu, 05 May 2011 14:58:49 +1000, Dennis <daru...@gmail.com> wrote:
..
>
> No matter how any of us felt about him, we have lost someone who's
> tireless efforts have contributed greatly to the Forth Language that
> we love. I hope we all can find time to reflect on his
> accomplishments.
>
> My God bless him and give him the rest that he so richly deserves!
>
> DaR
To me Jeff's contribution was more to Misc and forth hardware processing.
On Thu, 05 May 2011 13:27:47 +1000, Mark <mark.s...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Unfortunate and sad. I was a user of colorForth and had been in
> communication with Jeff some years ago, but I stopped using Forth.
> Today I program embedded systems, and while I don't use Forth, all the
> ideas I learned from Chuck have been very useful in my work. I'm
> thankful for Jeff for reporting on developments in Forth and
> supporting Chuck in his work. I never met Jeff in person, but there
> seemed to be a lot frustration in his writing and maybe that
> contributed to his health problems, but maybe this has to with
> investing so much time in a neglected technology. The green arrays
> seem interesting me, it is why I still check in here once in a while,
> hopefully they will find some success.
Yes, I was going to write about this first up. I used to communicate with
Jeff in the 90's, and Jeff was a pretty good guy, and pretty helpful and
he would tell me about how things were going. I think it was Jeff that
had offered me a quality control job at itv around 1996/7. Unfortunately
I was getting very sick, and would have had to pay my own way. I remember
when I decided I had to turn it down, I was on my way to Canberra to meet
Chris and Dan at Maestro modems who used to produce a leading Novix
board. I think Jeff has also asked me to do a faq on misc latter on as
well, but sickness prevented me. Unfortunately, even though I may have
skilled engineering friends that think I'm a genius, I am little able to
do more than find and figure out solutions than develop them, a lot of the
time.
However, concerning what you were saying Mark. Jeff puts heaps, probably a
small fortune, into developing Misc, and was bitterly disappointed by
certain business dealings (not involving Chuck) that robbed him, and
wasted his time. He eventually could not get funding for any chips apart
from real chips. However, he was getting a difficult time from some on
clf, where I assume he was faithfully advocating the future (as I was not
really present at that time) in the face of the usual unreasonable logic.
The Jeff we knew and loved changed, and no thanks to them for that. We
sadly miss that eager kind enthusiastic side of Jeff.
Jeff and I were no longer friends or acquainted from then on, but Jeff
contributed great things in thought and practice to both Misc and Forth,
he will be missed. Thank you for that Jeff.
Wayne
Wayne
<john.pa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 5, 1:01 pm, MarkWills <markrobertwi...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> I've downloaded Jeff's site today. I'll upload it to
>> forthfiles.net later this evening. I own that particular
>> domain, so it won't be going away anytime soon. Also,
>> I don't imagine Jeff's site will be vanishing any time
>> soon.
>
> The domain name "ultratechnology.com" will expire May 15, 2012 (unless
> renewed by someone). The hosting is apparently on the same personal
> web site as Michael Alyn Miller (strangegizmo.com). I don't know what
> Mr. Miller's intentions are regarding Jeff's content. If he says it
> will be available for a long time, great. Without certain knowledge
> about that, mirroring elsewhere makes sense.
>
> I believe there is a lot of worthwhile information on Jeff's web
> site. And so I think it's a great idea for you and others to download
> the site and make mirrors available elsewhere. I plan on doing this
> myself. Anyone who is interested in doing this, be aware that the web
> site has many hard-coded non-relative references to content. So
> you'll want to use a utility like "wget" to not just mirror the site,
> but also rewrite those references to self-relative links:
>
> wget -mk http://www.ultratechnology.com
>
..
> Maybe now is good time to make this suggestion more concretely:
>
> What if the Forth community collectively purchased (and maintained) a
> domain name, such as ForthArchive.com. Once that exists, we can
> freely add second-level domains like JeffFox.ForthArchive.com and
> JulianNobel.ForthArchive.com and so on. Each of those second-level
> domains points to a mirror, which means it can change, but the URL
> would remain consistent. Maybe initially these archives are all on
> one site-- great. But if the owner of that site flakes out, we can
> repoint to a new mirror at any time.
..
> The name "ForthArchive.com" is a suggestion. It's (currently)
> available, but others may have better ideas.
>
> The major function of such a domain name would be for the Forth
> community to collectively honor past individuals, companies, and
> publications that have contributed to Forth. By indirecting through a
> domain name, we have a consistent virtual place for people to attach
> mirrors and other kinds of sites. For those of you who still don't
> understand the distinction between a domain name and the web site
> connected to that domain, you can think of this as a sort of Forth-
> specific "tinyurl.com" or "bit.ly" service which can be updated as
> necessary.
John great idea, forth user group site was also a good idea. The problem
with duplicate websites is that if you google something then you get
results from all of them clogging up the results. There are many websites
presenting a front end to post to clf as well, a bit confusing.
One thing you guys might have to consider, to copyright and trademark
ownership issues, so you might have to approach people's estates for
permission. What might be good is a will agreement where people or
companies, can leave certain things to the public domain (with a
stipulation clause it is not to be used in embarrassing ways).
I had thought of starting up a wiki site for misc/forth hardware
programming, but this type of hosting sounds like a good scheme for Google
and archive.org to work together on (in case one goes down) in a separate
entity. They could use targeted head of page sponsor links to pay for the
hosting, and part of the proceeds could even optionally go to the persons
estate. I of course, would welcome some of Jeff's more specific writings
in a wiki. I've seen them over the years on ultra technology and know
they are specific and on the state of the art/cutting edge, and not want
to be, or has been writings. I might also add, that I suggested sometime
last year or so, that people could archive their thoughts on and
experiences in Forth, to be published in books and stored for future
generations so that their knowledge is not lost, because of this issue, we
are getting older. Forth has something, that is better, and needed, and
in that me and Jeff could agree. The rest of the community (general IT
community) is complacent, in the current direction of language processing
design, and obsessed with the present direction, like chocks with their
heads cut off.
--
Thanks Wayne.
Wayne
> On May 4, 4:28 pm, "Greg Bailey" <g...@GreenArrayChips.com> wrote:
>>
>> Jeff asked to be cremated.
>>
>> Requiescat in Pace, old friend.
>>
> There has been a great disturbance in the Forth.
>
> Please look into some DNA banks. Future generations will be very
> interested in our time and will be able to extract valuable data from
> DNA samples.
>
> -Brad
That's ironic, I had toyed with the idea of using "The Way of the Forth"
for a website section. I think it is a good suggestion for people wanting
to archive past Forth leaders.
--
Wayne.
Wayne
> On May 4, 4:28 pm, "Greg Bailey" <g...@GreenArrayChips.com> wrote:
>> Gang,
>> [...]
>> I would rather be writing about all the good
>> things that have happened in the past few weeks
>> in terms of our readiness to ship chips, but
>> instead have some very foul news to pass along.
>>
>> Jeff Fox died at 62 of a heart attack some time
>> before 1030 PDT this morning, at his home in Berkeley.
> [...]
> Oh, no. This news is terrible. Jeff Fox was one of
> my best friends in the Forth community. I can
> honestly say that the MindForth AI project owes
> its very existence to the good offices of Jeff
> Fox.
>
> Back on Sat.26.NOV.1994, I got my Amiga Mind.REXX
> AI to produce its first good results, and so in
> December of 1995 I posted news of Mind.REXX in
> some prominent computer language newsgroups,
> including comp.lang.forth where we all are now.
> People did not respond to me in the other groups,
> but Jeff Fox and the roboticist "JRU" responded
> from comp.lang.forth. Because of the encouraging
> responses from Jeff Fox and JRU, I decided to
> learn Forth and code my AI program in Forth.
>
> JRU was an electrical engineer who had to visit
> Boeing in Seattle around May of 1995, so JRU
> visited me once or twice in Seattle and taught
> me a few things about Forth while sitting at
> my Amiga 1000 computer. Meanwhile, Jeff Fox
> sent me e-mails with lots of helpful advice.
> An Amiga buddy of mine from Seattle, Steve R.,
> had to visit the Bay Area to attend a REXX
> conference at the Stanford Linear Accelerator
> (SLAC), and somehow Jeff Fox hosted Steve R. for
> dinner to discuss my Mentifex AI project.
>
> Then in late 1997, somebody on Usenet attacked
> me in comp.robotics.misc and Jeff Fox came
> resoundingly to my defense. I was so honored
> and so grateful to Jeff Fox that I decided to
> spend the entire year of 1998 working hard
> on my MindForth AI project. Over the years,
> I have wanted to prove to Jeff Fox that I
> was trying to measure up to his expectations
> of me and my Forth AI project. My buddy
> Steve R. came back from having dinner in 1995
> with Jeff Fox and told me that Jeff Fox was
> a martial arts expert, so I thought that
> Jeff Fox was hale and hearty. I also thought
> that he was older than I am, but apparently
> he was younger than I with my 1946 birthdate.
>
> Old friend Jeff, you have been a major influence
> on my life, and I will miss you until I also die.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Arthur T. Murray
> --
> http://code.google.com/p/mindforth
You are an answer to prayer. When I was first exposed to Forth in the
early 80's I immediately identified it as usable for AI, I have a model of
how different human intelligences work together, including emotion, around
here somewhere. I often come up with great stuff that I am unable to take
forward, and sometimes make a little prayer somebody else will pick it
up. I have seen you posting here, but been too sick to go into your
posts, and have noted the response you get. In Jeff's absence I encourage
you, and to find a sponsor, or disciple, to carry on your work, I can
guess your work is worthwhile. Company or University lecturers are
suggestions.
--
Wayne.
Mentifex
wrote:
> On Fri, 06 May 2011 06:05:27 +1000,Mentifex<menti...@myuw.net> wrote:
> > On May 4, 4:28 pm, "Greg Bailey" <g...@GreenArrayChips.com> wrote:
> > Old friend Jeff, you have been a major influence
> > on my life, and I will miss you until I also die.
>
> > Sincerely,
>
> > Arthur T. Murray
> > --
> > http://code.google.com/p/mindforth
>
> You are an answer to prayer. When I was
> first exposed to Forth in the early 80's
I was subscribing to BYTE Magazine when the
Forth issue came out around August of 1981,
but I did not get into Forth until Jeff Fox
began communicating with me in late 1994.
> I immediately identified it as usable for
> AI, I have a model of how different human
> intelligences work together, including emotion,
http://mind.sourceforge.net/emotion.html
> around here somewhere. I often come up
> with great stuff that I am unable to take
> forward, and sometimes make a little prayer
> somebody else will pick it up. I have
> seen you posting here, but been too sick
Sorry to hear that you have been sick :-(
> to go into your posts, and have noted
> the response you get. In Jeff's absence
> I encourage you, and to find a sponsor,
> or disciple, to carry on your work,
http://aimind-i.com is an offshoot.
> I can guess your work is worthwhile.
Whether it's worthwhile or not, it is
absolutely fascinating to create AI Minds
in Forth, and also in MSIE JavaScript at
http://www.scn.org/~mentifex/AiMind.html
> Company or University lecturers are suggestions.
>
> --
>
> Wayne
Thank you for the encouragement. I am still
extremely upset about the passing of Jeff Fox.
Whenever my heart now even hiccups, I realize
that what happened to Jeff could happen to me.
It make me work even harder on my Forth AI
with a grim, death-defying determination.
Bye for now.
Arthur T. Murray
--
Privileged to have been in touch with Jeff Fox.
Wayne
> On May 20, 10:55 am, Wayne <news_putmynamehere...@optusnet.com.au>
> wrote:
>> On Fri, 06 May 2011 06:05:27 +1000,Mentifex<menti...@myuw.net> wrote:
>> > On May 4, 4:28 pm, "Greg Bailey" <g...@GreenArrayChips.com> wrote:
>> [...]
>> > Old friend Jeff, you have been a major influence
>> > on my life, and I will miss you until I also die.
>>
>> > Sincerely,
>>
>> > Arthur T. Murray
>> > --
>> > http://code.google.com/p/mindforth
>>
>> You are an answer to prayer. When I was
>> first exposed to Forth in the early 80's
>
> I was subscribing to BYTE Magazine when the
> Forth issue came out around August of 1981,
> but I did not get into Forth until Jeff Fox
> began communicating with me in late 1994.
>
>> I immediately identified it as usable for
>> AI, I have a model of how different human
>> intelligences work together, including emotion,
Actually it was around that time, because it was just before my brother's
wedding.
> http://mind.sourceforge.net/emotion.html
Thanks, I wish I could read through all this stuff, and have a good
conversation with you about it, something that was close to my heart. I
tend to keep my kind clear now, because of overload of things needing
attention and age, I can still divine the right answer but little more. I
can direct technology development, but past that I am saving my energy for
my own little projects, or paid work. At the moment I am here instead of
working on my health record because it is easier.
What I think most people don't understand about this stuff is the organic
flow of human intelligence, with it's multiple overlapping feedback
mechanisms, to say the minimum. It is more evident for those that do deep
martial arts and neural plasticity, most people just do not get it. It
turns out like, but not the same, to some of my ideas from the 80's, where
I imagined a intelligence where the data was broadcast and relevant
intelligences (centers) examined it and fed back answers. Then again, I
remember maybe figuring this out on the playground at primary school, so
it might be earlier than that, if my memory is correct. But this is
simplistic compared to my latter model, but maybe very helpful in making a
purely statistical sterile intelligence, which is what we actually need
rather than Astro Boy like pursuits (not that a emotional understanding
intelligence is not useful). Of course you go through channels of filters
on the way forward and backwards to eliminate irrelevant flows of data.
If you look at it this way, an array of simple processors could serve as
intelligence centers, like misc does. I it would be great to play around
with that sort of concept in claytronics (sand sized grains with
processors that can self form objects, Intel is researching) which I was
interested in using misc for.
What I mean by intelligence centers, is the multitude of patches in the
brain each controlling or storing information, obviously now through a
multitude of branching networks. But knowing how analogue networks work,
the intelligence centers and data are likely stored as virtual images that
overlap in combined data networks, so it maybe useless looking for the
actual data itself as a discrete image instead of as a more subtle
combined image. If you look at scans of the brain at work, it looks a lot
like this sort of flow. Something that could advance research ten years on
it's own. It's no wonder that artificial neural networks work, what you
put in is what you get out.
..
>> to go into your posts, and have noted
>> the response you get. In Jeff's absence
>> I encourage you, and to find a sponsor,
>> or disciple, to carry on your work,
>
> http://aimind-i.com is an offshoot.
Good.
..
> Thank you for the encouragement. I am still
> extremely upset about the passing of Jeff Fox.
> Whenever my heart now even hiccups, I realize
> that what happened to Jeff could happen to me.
> It make me work even harder on my Forth AI
> with a grim, death-defying determination.
>
> Bye for now.
>
> Arthur T. Murray
> --
> Privileged to have been in touch with Jeff Fox.
Thanks Arthur, sorry about Jeff, but I wish you success and happy returns
with your research.
Wayne.
--
Mentifex
wrote:
> On Sat, 21 May 2011 06:03:54 +1000, Mentifex <menti...@myuw.net> wrote:
> > On May 20, 10:55 am, Wayne <news_putmynamehere...@optusnet.com.au>
> > wrote:
> >> On Fri, 06 May 2011 06:05:27 +1000,Mentifex<menti...@myuw.net> wrote:
> >> > On May 4, 4:28 pm, "Greg Bailey" <g...@GreenArrayChips.com> wrote:
> >> [...]
> >> > Old friend Jeff, you have been a major influence
> >> > on my life, and I will miss you until I also die.
>
> >> > Sincerely,
>
> >> > Arthur T. Murray
> >> > --
> >> > http://code.google.com/p/mindforth
>
> >> to go into your posts, and have noted
> >> the response you get. In Jeff's absence
> >> I encourage you, and to find a sponsor,
> >> or disciple, to carry on your work,
>
>
> Good.
> ..
>
> > Thank you for the encouragement. I am still
> > extremely upset about the passing of Jeff Fox.
> > Whenever my heart now even hiccups, I realize
> > that what happened to Jeff could happen to me.
> > with a grim, death-defying determination.
>
> > Bye for now.
>
> > Arthur T. Murray
> > --
> > Privileged to have been in touch with Jeff Fox.
>
> Thanks Arthur, sorry about Jeff, but I wish you
> success and happy returns with your research.
>
> Wayne.
>
would Jeff Fox like the work that I am doing?
Arthur
RR
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