$100 forth pc
gavino
nothing fancy just cheap and fast.
MarkWills
> anyone considered making a $100 forth pc with web browser.
> nothing fancy just cheap and fast.
iTV in 1995.
Albert van der Horst
gavino <gavc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>anyone considered making a $100 forth pc with web browser.
>nothing fancy just cheap and fast.
I just bought a $100 web browser. It has a color screen and
fits in my pocket.
It can make XGA pictures, videos and it phones!
It is cheap, fast *and* fancy.
It's called Nokia.
Has anyone a Forth for it?
Groetjes Albert
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Jonah Thomas
> >anyone considered making a $100 forth pc with web browser.
> >nothing fancy just cheap and fast.
>
> I just bought a $100 web browser. It has a color screen and
> fits in my pocket.
> It can make XGA pictures, videos and it phones!
> It is cheap, fast *and* fancy.
> It's called Nokia.
Not to ask for egg in my beer, but can you connect it to a fullsize
keyboard and monitor?
Bernd Paysan
> In article
> <35287ab6-51a7-43b3...@m7g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
> gavino <gavc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>anyone considered making a $100 forth pc with web browser.
>>nothing fancy just cheap and fast.
>
> I just bought a $100 web browser. It has a color screen and
> fits in my pocket.
> It can make XGA pictures, videos and it phones!
> It is cheap, fast *and* fancy.
> It's called Nokia.
>
> Has anyone a Forth for it?
It's probably a closed platform (i.e. no Maemo, not even Symbian), so while
it's probably not difficult to port a Forth to it, there's no chance for you
to install one. However, IIRC, some years ago, Nokia used Forth and MPE to
squeeze down the games on some of their phones, so that they took less space
in Flash. Probably not an issue anymore, with flash being so dirt cheap
now.
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"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
http://www.jwdt.com/~paysan/
John Passaniti
> iTV in 1995.
Firefox is a web browser.
Lynx is a web browser.
Therefore, they are the same thing.
Whatever iTV had in 1995 wouldn't cut it today. The web has changed.
It is no longer just a means to format static content. It's now
client-side applications which *requires* not just HTML, XHTML, but
CSS, the DOM, a JavaScript interpreter, and support for asynchronous
updates and XMLHttpRequest. To not have everything that is in a
modern browser is to limit users to the subset of the web that is
still mostly static.
van...@vsta.org
>> It's called Nokia.
> Not to ask for egg in my beer, but can you connect it to a fullsize
> keyboard and monitor?
If he's referring to the Nokia N800/N810 (I believe the cell phone N900
is based on the same OS family), it has Bluetooth for human input
devices. I have a BT keyboard for my 810 which works fine. Since it's
running X11 and Linux, when I'm around a keyboard and monitor, I just
log into it from my PC and admin it that way.
It's really quite a nice little technology package. And the OS is
actually open; you can compile and run whatever you like on it.
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Jecel
> Whatever iTV had in 1995 wouldn't cut it today. The web has changed.
Sure, but if they had been selling for these past 14 years they would
have had the resources to keep changing their product to keep up,
right?
If you are saying that someone starting from scratch today would have
a far larger investment to make then iTV did, then I agree. You
certainly can't fault iTV for not including features that would only
be used, or invented in some cases, years later.
-- Jecel
Albert van der Horst
I have 10 fullsize keyboards and monitors here.
Its charm is the ascii keyboard in the palm of a hand, and
128 by 160 color display.
Anyway it has bluetooth. Maybe I can use my Gbyte Ghz machine
as a dumb monitor.
>
>> Has anyone a Forth for it?
Bernd Paysan remarked that the platform was probably closed.
I see stories of someone reflashing a phone, similar to reflashing
a BIOS. It looks like one could make a modifiied flash, incorporating
a Forth.
At least one can make applications. There is a contest in Germany
closing the 10th of januari, with a sizable first prize of 15.000
Euro.
I'm in the process of downloading a 270 Mbyte development environment
for it. Supposedly it is C++. Wouldn't that allow to port GForth?
Unfortunately it runs on Windows XP, and my XP machine is not powerful
and has little disk space, but I'll see.
P.M.Lawrence
.
.
> At least one can make applications. There is a contest in Germany
> closing the 10th of januari, with a sizable first prize of 15.000
> Euro.
Language/culture barrier? I take it that the full stop in 15.000 is a
thousands separator, not a decimal point as it would be in Britain and
the USA? P.M.Lawrence.
Wayne
wrote:
Ah, yes he can, some keyboards and TV's have BT connection ;) .
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Albert van der Horst
It is as in Forth : it indicates a double number.
In order to stress that it is large sum.
(Really that was my association :-) )
Stephen Pelc
<alb...@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> wrote:
>In article <35287ab6-51a7-43b3...@m7g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
>gavino <gavc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>anyone considered making a $100 forth pc with web browser.
>>nothing fancy just cheap and fast.
>
>I just bought a $100 web browser. It has a color screen and
>fits in my pocket.
>It can make XGA pictures, videos and it phones!
>It is cheap, fast *and* fancy.
>It's called Nokia.
>
>Has anyone a Forth for it?
See also:
http://www.menqgroup.com/products/pro/E700.asp
Reputedly $80 at some volume according to one electronics magazine.
Stephen
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Doug Hoffman
> Albert van der Horst <alb...@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
> > >anyone considered making a $100 forth pc with web browser.
> > >nothing fancy just cheap and fast.
>
> > I just bought a $100 web browser. It has a color screen and
> > fits in my pocket.
> > It can make XGA pictures, videos and it phones!
> > It is cheap, fast *and* fancy.
> > It's called Nokia.
>
> Not to ask for egg in my beer, but can you connect it to a fullsize
> keyboard and monitor?
>
>
>
> > Has anyone a Forth for it?
I also use a "approximately $100" web browser that does all that the
above Nokia does. It's a Palm Treo. Prices on Ebay range from $30 to
$115 US. I have a fold-up full size keyboard that works perfectly
with it (made by Palm as well). It also has a very nice Forth:
Quartus.
-Doug
gavino
wrote:
> In article <94ccdb1a-6f42-41a2-af0b-c469cf9b6...@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
>
> P.M.Lawrence <pml540...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Albert van der Horst wrote:
> >.
> >.
> >.
> >> At least one can make applications. There is a contest in Germany
> >> closing the 10th of januari, with a sizable first prize of 15.000
> >> Euro.
>
> >Language/culture barrier? I take it that the full stop in 15.000 is a
> >thousands separator, not a decimal point as it would be in Britain and
> >the USA? P.M.Lawrence.
>
> It is as in Forth : it indicates a double number.
> In order to stress that it is large sum.
> (Really that was my association :-) )
>
> Groetjes Albert
>
> --
> --
> Albert van der Horst, UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS
> Economic growth -- being exponential -- ultimately falters.
> albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=nhttp://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst
just software right? and forth is way productive?
just need to kinda support disks, firefox, and net
maybe 500 forthers should get together, get soem funding from
governemnt, and make it
teams tow ork on usb, disk, monitor support, mouse, vid player
or just copy netbsd
Gary Bergstrom
wrote:
> In article <35287ab6-51a7-43b3-a695-61cc2a4bf...@m7g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
>
> gavino <gavcom...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >anyone considered making a $100 forth pc with web browser.
> >nothing fancy just cheap and fast.
>
> I just bought a $100 web browser. It has a color screen and
> fits in my pocket.
> It can make XGA pictures, videos and it phones!
> It is cheap, fast *and* fancy.
> It's called Nokia.
>
> Has anyone a Forth for it?
What about an Android phone?
Is it hard to do a Forth for this open platform?
Gary
Bernd Paysan
> What about an Android phone?
> Is it hard to do a Forth for this open platform?
It's only semi-open. All you are allowed to do is write Java programs.
Nokia N8x0/N900 are phone-like web browser where you can just "apt-get
install gforth", and it's there (Maemo is Debian-based).
Bruce McFarling
> See also:http://www.menqgroup.com/products/pro/E700.asp
> Reputedly $80 at some volume according to one electronics magazine.
What is a good Forth for a Windows CE machine?
gavino
of course google is not free anything , please , they are the new
sun ! open systems mass ass!! google has no good aps and their
search is mediochre, I use bing.com now, screw em
peekay
<snipped>
> ... Nokia N800/N810 (I believe the cell phone N900
> is based on the same OS family), it has Bluetooth for human input
> devices. I have a BT keyboard for my 810 which works fine.
> Since it's
> running X11 and Linux, when I'm around a keyboard and monitor, I just
> log into it from my PC and admin it that way.
1. do you mean that N810 runs Linux and X11 ?
2. do you log into it from your PC via NokiaPcSuite ? or some other
Linux s/w ?
> It's really quite a nice little technology package. And the OS is
> actually open; you can compile and run whatever you like on it.
A. again, are you talking about the N810 here ?
B. What is the OS and how to write/compile (forth or c++ or linux) ?
..peekay
Bill Marcum
^^^^^^^^^
> of course google is not free anything , please , they are the new
> sun ! open systems mass ass!! google has no good aps and their
> search is mediochre, I use bing.com now, screw em
I hear their mail and newsgroup services suck too.
Bruce McFarling
> anyone considered making a $100 forth pc with web browser.
> nothing fancy just cheap and fast.
Any cheap $100 in qty Chinese netbook is a $100 forth pc if it runs
linux. However, most of the ones I see (retail for anywhere from $125
to $199) advertise Windows CE 6.0, which seems to mean a much smaller
range of Forth implementations available than either Linux or Windows
XP.
gavino
funny if there was a free web based newsgroup alternative I would use
it.
or even not on usenet, just a forum site.
:)
you know snide is really obnoxious by the way
Bruce McFarling
> On Dec 5, 10:33 am, Bill Marcum <marcumb...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > On 2009-12-03, gavino <gavcom...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ^^^^^^^^^
>
> > > of course google is not free anything , please , they are the new
> > > sun ! open systems mass ass!! google has no good aps and their
> > > search is mediochre, I use bing.com now, screw em
>
> > I hear their mail and newsgroup services suck too.
>
> funny if there was a free web based newsgroup alternative I would use
> it.
There are, however, a number of web based freemail alternatives. Hence
the underlining of "gmail.com".
> you know snide is really obnoxious by the way
It is certainly true that some people consider snide to be obnoxious.
Indeed, some people consider trolling computer language newsgroups
(that is, the "like trolling for trout" sense of trolling, not the
"like a troll under a bridge" sense of trolling) with questions when
you have no serious intention of programming in that language to be
obnoxious as well, so it could be a case of tit-for-tat.
gavino
note: I don't use gmail eml.cc is much nicer
that is my login to blogger.com, that somehow logs me into google
groups, I am moving offa it but it has a lot of my entries, 2,500 or
so
what is a free web based alternative to google groups that lets me
post to newsgroups? love one!
Esra Sdrawkcab
I don't think it's wise to let you know; but it's easily discovered by
JFGI.
--
Nuns! Reverse!
Bruce McFarling
> I don't think it's wise to let you know; but it's easily discovered by
> JFGI.
Even easier to find free email acounts that aren't gmail. For that
nowadays, you may be able to use JAYN.
Sp...@controlq.com
Regarding the thread subject ...
http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Cherrypal-Africa-and-secondgeneration-Bing/
Bruce McFarling
> Regarding the thread subject ...
>
Yes, the ones selling on eBay out of HK go for anywhere from $110 to
$140, but the most common fixed price point seems to be around $130.
And of course with the drop in the dollar, most of them are sub
Euro100 pc's.
On the thread subject, the point of all the Little Linux netbooks is
that the idea that doing the system in Forth will somehow magically
break through price points on its own needs a more ambitiously low
price point ... $80 is not unheard of in China today for a little
Linux machine that uses the stock 7" portable-DVD player display, and
so US$100 is likely to be hit this year. A $25 forth pc - that would
be impressive.
But if the thread subject is read differently, the little Linux
netbooks are machines that can be fairly comfortable developing on in
Forth, compared to the PDA's that were the previous $100 forth pc's
when running DragonForth or Quartus.
gavino
> On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 23:25:38 -0000, gavino <gavcom...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 15, 9:01 am, Bruce McFarling <agil...@netscape.net> wrote:
> >> On Dec 15, 3:25 am, gavino <gavcom...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > what is a free web based alternative to google groups that lets me
> > post to newsgroups? love one!
>
> I don't think it's wise to let you know; but it's easily discovered by
> JFGI.
>
> --
> Nuns! Reverse!
I did shtibag!
Nothign good came fo it!
I was wondering if anyone using a nice one!
Go fuck an electric socket ok?
Esra Sdrawkcab
Any prospect you had of further help has now disappeared.
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rickman
If you find another one, let me know.
Rick
gavino
nothing sofar.
internet fail
id use php nuke as well as this
just a forum
someone should program one in forth!!
mr paysan?
gavino
now I am to assume you thought you were being nice by saying jfgi. sigh