OT : Nigerian Email Scams
James J. Gavan
one some time back and seems I get one every week with just a name
change.
Sad part is, people get 'taken' for $millions ! Check out following :-
http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/Business/nigerian.htm
Jimmy
William M. Klein
I assume that more than my posts in this (and other) newsgroups, the problem
is that my email ID is in the FAQ.
One good thing that I can say about the current release of Outlook is that
it is QUITE easy to force all notes that have "Nigeria" anywhere in the text
into my "delete" folder. If anyone ever sends me a VALID note about
Nigeria, I may miss that - but so far, it hasn't happened (that I know of).
--
Bill Klein
wmklein <at> ix.netcom.com
"James J. Gavan" <jjg...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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Larry Kahm
Larry Kahm
Frank Swarbrick
Don't people understand TANSTAAFL? Anyone who would fall for this,
well, maybe they deserve to be taken...
Odd that it's always Nigeria. Is there something special about that
country?
--
Frank Swarbrick -- now powered by SuSE Linux 7.2
"I'm very seldom naughty" --Willow Rosenberg, 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer'
docd...@panix.com
Frank Swarbrick <inf...@sprynet.com> wrote:
>"James J. Gavan" wrote:
>>
>> You folks still getting inundated with Nigerian scams ? I know BIll had
>> one some time back and seems I get one every week with just a name
>> change.
>>
>> Sad part is, people get 'taken' for $millions ! Check out following :-
>>
>> http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/Business/nigerian.htm
>
>Don't people understand TANSTAAFL? Anyone who would fall for this,
>well, maybe they deserve to be taken...
>
>Odd that it's always Nigeria. Is there something special about that
>country?
It seems to be spreading to other nations... but take a gander at:
http://www.skayhan.net/Lagos.htm
... and ...
... which seem to prove how the Internet allows folks new and (perhaps)
interesting ways to make use of their time and anonymity.
DD
James J. Gavan
docd...@panix.com wrote:
I originally contacted the local fraud squad. "What can I do I ?", I asked.
Reply - "Switch off your computer " <G>. Then I was directed to this site
which is a joint effort, primarily OPP (Ontario Provincial Police), and RCMP
plus others :-
Can anybody direct us to an FBI or Scotland Yard equivalent ?
Jimmy
Donald Tees
William M. Klein wrote:
> I get multiples of these a DAY !!!
>
> I assume that more than my posts in this (and other) newsgroups, the problem
> is that my email ID is in the FAQ.
>
> One good thing that I can say about the current release of Outlook is that
> it is QUITE easy to force all notes that have "Nigeria" anywhere in the text
> into my "delete" folder. If anyone ever sends me a VALID note about
> Nigeria, I may miss that - but so far, it hasn't happened (that I know of).
>
I actually got spam today asking for permission to put me on a spam
list. Claimed to be the best spammers in town. One wonders.
Donald
Michael Mattias
news:3D87CBBE...@sprynet.com...
> Odd that it's always Nigeria. Is there something special about that
> country?
I got one Monday from the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
Why do I remember? It hit one of my favorite old aphorisms: "Any
nation-state whose name contains the word 'democratic' isn't."
MCM
JerryMouse
"James J. Gavan" <jjg...@shaw.ca>
>
> I originally contacted the local fraud squad. "What can I do I ?", I
asked.
> Reply - "Switch off your computer " <G>. Then I was directed to this site
> which is a joint effort, primarily OPP (Ontario Provincial Police), and
RCMP
> plus others :-
>
> http://www.phonebusters.com/
>
> Can anybody direct us to an FBI or Scotland Yard equivalent ?
It's the United States Secret Service on point for Nigerian scams:
Liam Devlin
> You folks still getting inundated with Nigerian scams ? I know BIll had
> one some time back and seems I get one every week with just a name
> change.
I sometimes get a couple per day. Hard to imagine anyone falling for it,
but when you email to millions of people, you don't need many responses.
Liam Devlin
I'm also getting offers to sell me millions of email addresses, i.e.,
spam for spam.
Liam Devlin
> "James J. Gavan" wrote:
>
>>You folks still getting inundated with Nigerian scams ? I know BIll had
>>one some time back and seems I get one every week with just a name
>>change.
>>
>>Sad part is, people get 'taken' for $millions ! Check out following :-
>>
>> http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/Business/nigerian.htm
>
>
> Don't people understand TANSTAAFL? Anyone who would fall for this,
> well, maybe they deserve to be taken...
>
> Odd that it's always Nigeria. Is there something special about that
> country?
It's not always Nigeria, although the majority are. I've gotten some
supposedly from the Congo (!), South Africa and Asia. The article Jimmy
posted the URL for says Nigerian officials sometimes participate in
these things. Maybe it's just happenstance where it started?
Liam Devlin
I got something recently from "..... Congo". The Belgian Congo became
Zaire years ago and I know of no other "Congo" nations.
Doug Miller
>>
>> You folks still getting inundated with Nigerian scams ? I know BIll had
>> one some time back and seems I get one every week with just a name
>> change.
>>
>> Sad part is, people get 'taken' for $millions ! Check out following :-
>>
>> http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/Business/nigerian.htm
>
>Don't people understand TANSTAAFL? Anyone who would fall for this,
>well, maybe they deserve to be taken...
>
docd...@panix.com
... and said most often by grifters who are trying to escape, having
swindled honest men.
DD
Liam Devlin
BTW, what is "TANSTAAFL"?
Volker Bandke
<Li...@optonline.NOSPAM.net> wrote:
.
>
>BTW, what is "TANSTAAFL"?
Foil #1 in my Performance & Tuning clases:
The TINSTAFL Law (Tuning Law number 1)
There Is No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
Of course, there ain't <sic>
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Douglas Miller
>In article <ic8i9.24$F53....@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>,
>Doug Miller <spam...@milmac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>It's been said that you can't swindle an honest man...
>>
>
>swindled honest men.
>
You missed the point entirely. An honest man does not scheme to obtain by
craft that which does not belong to him. Those "honest men" to whom you
refer were looking to get something for nothing, and instead wound up with
nothing for something.
I repeat: you can't swindle an honest man.
--
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Liam Devlin
This is the first paragraph of something I got on Thursday:
FROM: Dr. JOHN SALISU
Federal Ministry of Works & Housing
FMW&H Building, SUITE # 23
Federal Secretariat, Lagos.
Strictest Confidence
First,I must solicit your strictest confidence in this transaction.
This is by virtue of its nature as being utterly confidential.I am
the Secretary of the Contract Review Panel instituted by His
Excelency President Olusegun Obasanjo to probe/review all Cont-racts
executed and payments made during the regime of late General Sani
Abacha. I have been mandated by my colleagues on the Panel to seek
your assistance in the transfer of the sum of US$32.4Million into
your Bank Account.
------------------------------------------------------
Some people who answered these things have been lured to Nigeria and
some of them killed. I wonder why it doesn't get more government attention.
Liam Devlin
> On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 03:35:17 -0400, Liam Devlin
> <Li...@optonline.NOSPAM.net> wrote:
> .
>
>>BTW, what is "TANSTAAFL"?
>
>
> Foil #1 in my Performance & Tuning clases:
>
> The TINSTAFL Law (Tuning Law number 1)
>
> There Is No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
>
>
>
> Of course, there ain't <sic>
Danke, Volker.
Liam Devlin
Thanks again.
William M. Klein
learnt of this word actually *is* its origin. I am a great Robert Heinlein
fan and have known this word since my early teens (about the time that "A
moon is harsh mistress" first came out). I had always thought that it was a
Dutch word - not an acronym - until I looked it up today.
P.S. That science fiction book (like many others) would be a good place to
start another thread drift BACK to a discussion of what the role of
government is - and/or should be. I am much, MUCH, too much of a
"socialist" (who thinks that it is the responsibility of the government "of
the people" to look out for the welfare "of the people") to agree with
Heinlein's often expressed views. However, I certainly *do* agree with his
views on "citizen responsibility" that appears in so many of his books.
I think that I agree with "Prof" that *you* may have whatever government you
want, just don't tell me that the rules you want must apply to me.
(Rationale anarchist - as I recall the term)
--
Bill Klein
wmklein <at> ix.netcom.com
"Liam Devlin" <Li...@optonline.NOSPAM.net> wrote in message
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Donald Tees
> In article <amb3rn$ehu$1...@panix1.panix.com>, docd...@panix.com wrote:
>
>>In article <ic8i9.24$F53....@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>,
>>Doug Miller <spam...@milmac.com> wrote:
>>
>>>It's been said that you can't swindle an honest man...
>>>
>>
>>.... and said most often by grifters who are trying to escape, having
>>swindled honest men.
>>
>
> You missed the point entirely. An honest man does not scheme to obtain by
> craft that which does not belong to him. Those "honest men" to whom you
> refer were looking to get something for nothing, and instead wound up with
> nothing for something.
>
> I repeat: you can't swindle an honest man.
You missed the point entirely. A dishonest man always claims the reason
for thier dishonestly is the dishonesty of others. That only other
crooks are harmed, and that it is therefore quite acceptable to be a
crook, is one of those lies that anyone over five years old can see the
fallacy of. Reapeating it just shows how naiv you are.
Donald
Donald Tees
> I had to use the online "jargon" dictionary to discover that where I first
> learnt of this word actually *is* its origin. I am a great Robert Heinlein
> fan and have known this word since my early teens (about the time that "A
> moon is harsh mistress" first came out). I had always thought that it was a
> Dutch word - not an acronym - until I looked it up today.
>
> P.S. That science fiction book (like many others) would be a good place to
> start another thread drift BACK to a discussion of what the role of
> government is - and/or should be. I am much, MUCH, too much of a
> "socialist" (who thinks that it is the responsibility of the government "of
> the people" to look out for the welfare "of the people") to agree with
> Heinlein's often expressed views. However, I certainly *do* agree with his
> views on "citizen responsibility" that appears in so many of his books.
>
> I think that I agree with "Prof" that *you* may have whatever government you
> want, just don't tell me that the rules you want must apply to me.
> (Rationale anarchist - as I recall the term)
>
> --
> Bill Klein
Me too Bill. I figure if individuals want the world to be a better
place, then each of them has to make that choice themselves, then work
at it.
Donald
Alistair Maclean
<Li...@optonline.NOSPAM.net> writes
>This is the first paragraph of something I got on Thursday:
>
>FROM: Dr. JOHN SALISU
>Federal Ministry of Works & Housing
>FMW&H Building, SUITE # 23
>Federal Secretariat, Lagos.
>
> Strictest Confidence
>
>First,I must solicit your strictest confidence in this transaction.
>This is by virtue of its nature as being utterly confidential.I am
>the Secretary of the Contract Review Panel instituted by His
>Excelency President Olusegun Obasanjo to probe/review all Cont-racts
>executed and payments made during the regime of late General Sani
>Abacha. I have been mandated by my colleagues on the Panel to seek
>your assistance in the transfer of the sum of US$32.4Million into
>your Bank Account.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
>Some people who answered these things have been lured to Nigeria and
>some of them killed. I wonder why it doesn't get more government attention.
>
>
As a natural paranoid I could answer the question, but the truth is too
awful for you to handle ... ;-)
--
Alistair Maclean
docd...@panix.com
Douglas Miller <ab...@ameritech.net> wrote:
>In article <amb3rn$ehu$1...@panix1.panix.com>, docd...@panix.com wrote:
>>In article <ic8i9.24$F53....@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>,
>>Doug Miller <spam...@milmac.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>It's been said that you can't swindle an honest man...
>>>
>>
>>.... and said most often by grifters who are trying to escape, having
>>swindled honest men.
>>
>You missed the point entirely.
Really? I thought I was pointing out an unintended consequence.
>An honest man does not scheme to obtain by
>craft that which does not belong to him.
http://www.m-w.com: craft:
1: skill in planning, making or executing.
2: an occupation or trade requiring manual dexterity or artistic skill
One learns *such* things on UseNet... I did not know that honest people
did not have programs or actions to obtain by skill that which do not
belong to them.
So when a coder seeks to negotiat a contract be paid for writing programs
(or... obtain by craft that which does not belong to him) you say that
s/he is not being honest.
I'm sure glad you aren't writing the laws around these parts.
>Those "honest men" to whom you
>refer were looking to get something for nothing, and instead wound up with
>nothing for something.
>
>I repeat: you can't swindle an honest man.
Repetition adds no veracity and this was addressed earlier; if you are
correct in this then the logical conclusion is that any sort of
'consumer protective legislation' is for the benefit of the dishonest...
and if that is the case then somebody loved these dishonest folk *so* much
that there are specific Biblical injunctions against 'diverse weights',
lest they be swindled.
DD
Alistair Maclean
>you can't swindle an honest man.
It is true that you can not swindle an honest man, but you can swindle a
greedy man. These rackets rely upon greed.
--
Alistair Maclean
Liam Devlin
Might it be that Dick Cheney's behind it and all the scammers in
Nigeria, et al., have to kick up to him (kind of like the Sopranos)?
Howard Brazee
On 19-Sep-2002, ab...@ameritech.net (Douglas Miller) wrote:
> You missed the point entirely. An honest man does not scheme to obtain by
> craft that which does not belong to him. Those "honest men" to whom you
> refer were looking to get something for nothing, and instead wound up with
> nothing for something.
>
> I repeat: you can't swindle an honest man.
It's much easier to swindle a dishonest man. But lots of the scams done to old
people are in the nature that "I really need help and will pay you back" type.
Or "I need to set up a mission, you will be repaid in heaven".
Howard Brazee
On 19-Sep-2002, "William M. Klein" <wmk...@nospam.ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> I had to use the online "jargon" dictionary to discover that where I first
> learnt of this word actually *is* its origin. I am a great Robert Heinlein
> fan and have known this word since my early teens (about the time that "A
> moon is harsh mistress" first came out). I had always thought that it was a
> Dutch word - not an acronym - until I looked it up today.
I remember when that came out in magazine form, and the cover of the magazine
had a flag with TANSSAFL on it - but I was already familiar with the acronym
before then.
> P.S. That science fiction book (like many others) would be a good place to
> start another thread drift BACK to a discussion of what the role of
> government is - and/or should be. I am much, MUCH, too much of a
> "socialist" (who thinks that it is the responsibility of the government "of
> the people" to look out for the welfare "of the people") to agree with
> Heinlein's often expressed views. However, I certainly *do* agree with his
> views on "citizen responsibility" that appears in so many of his books.
Even (especially) socialists should understand and believe in TANSSAAFL - every
choice we make has costs. Whether we spend more on medical care or school
lunches is a choice when we don't have unlimited money. Whether we let the
state set requirements for bi-lingual education, or allow the schools and
parents to make them is a choice with costs and benefits. No choice is free of
costs.
Donald Tees
Nonsense. There have been thousands of widows, orphans, and plain old
folks swindled over the years. Are you claiming things like Enron
cannot happen? The above is just part of the con. In fact, the line
was invented by a con artist to justify his actions.
If you said all cons revolve about human frailities, you might have a
point. Stupidity is a common fraility, as is simply being naive. Some
rackets are even based on the greed of the victim, as you say.
The lie is on par with "you cannot rape a woman unless she is asking for
it", and used for the exact same reason.
Cons are based on the dishonesty of the con artist. The victim is not
the guilty party.
Donald
Gazaloo
> I had always thought that it was a
> Dutch word - not an acronym - until I looked it up today.
Blimey Bill -- you must have read that book too quickly!
> P.S. That science fiction book (like many others) would be a good place
to
> start another thread drift BACK to a discussion of what the role of
> government is - and/or should be. I am much, MUCH, too much of a
> "socialist" (who thinks that it is the responsibility of the government
"of
> the people" to look out for the welfare "of the people") to agree with
> Heinlein's often expressed views. However, I certainly *do* agree with
his
> views on "citizen responsibility" that appears in so many of his books.
I also have socialist leanings too, but also find the core of Heinlein's
messages to toll the bell of "truth". Stranger In A Strange Land is a
corker.
Gazaloo.
Alistair Maclean
<Li...@optonline.NOSPAM.net> writes
>Alistair Maclean wrote:
>> A question that should be asked in one of the alt.conspiracy newsgroups.
>> As a natural paranoid I could answer the question, but the truth is too
>> awful for you to handle ... ;-)
>
>Might it be that Dick Cheney's behind it and all the scammers in
>Nigeria, et al., have to kick up to him (kind of like the Sopranos)?
>
theorists refer to them as).
--
Alistair Maclean
Douglas Miller
that I do not hold and never expressed, and finally resorted to ad hominem
attacks in lieu of making a rational argument. I do not condone, excuse, or
attempt to justify the actions of the swindlers, and nothing I wrote implies
to any rational person that I do. I merely point out that, were it not for the
greed of their victims, the swindlers would have no one to swindle.
In the case of the Nigerian e-mail scams, this point is particularly clear.
The authors of the e-mails strongly imply, and in some cases that I've seen,
admit outright, that the money they claim to be attempting to transfer out of
the country was obtained illegally. At a minimum, they explain the need
for secrecy by making it quite clear that the transfer itself is a violation
of Nigerian law. No honest person would participate in such a blatantly
dishonest scheme; hence, only the dishonest will be victimized.
Liam Devlin
NWO is the other end of the conspiracy spectrum Dickie C. Of course, we
all know they're all working for the International Jewish Conspiracy:-)
Liam Devlin
> You folks still getting inundated with Nigerian scams ? I know BIll had
> one some time back and seems I get one every week with just a name
> change.
>
> Sad part is, people get 'taken' for $millions ! Check out following :-
>
> http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/Business/nigerian.htm
For those of us in the US, I nosed around a bit trying to forward these
419 scams to the Secret Service and come up with the following.
From:
http://www.ustreas.gov/usss/financial_crimes.shtml#Computer
Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud
"OPERATION 4-1-9"
Public Awareness Advisory 4-1-9 Fraud The perpetrators of Advance Fee
Fraud are often very creative and innovative. This fraud is called
"4-1-9" fraud after the section of the Nigerian penal code that
addresses fraud schemes. Nigerian nationals, purporting to be officials
of their government or banking institutions, will fax or mail letters to
individuals and businesses in the United States and other countries. The
correspondence will inform the recipient that a reputable foreign
company or individual is needed for the deposit of an overpayment on a
procurement contract. The letter will claim that the Nigerian government
overpaid anywhere from $10 to $60 million on these contracts. There is
the perception that no one would enter such an obviously suspicious
relationship; however, many victims have been enticed into believing
they can share in such windfall profits.
Individuals are asked to provide funds to cover various fees and for
personal identifiers such as Social Security numbers, bank account
numbers, and other similar data. Once this information is received, the
victims find that they have lost large sums of money. It is hard to
pinpoint how much has been lost in these scams since many victims do not
report their losses to authorities due to fear or embarrassment.
In response to this growing epidemic, the Secret Service established
"Operation 4-1-9" to target Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud on an
international basis. Indications are that losses attributed to Advance
Fee Fraud are in the hundreds of millions of dollars annually.
Agents on temporary assignment to the American Embassy in Lagos,
Nigeria, in conjunction with the Regional Security Office, supplied
information in the form of investigative leads to the Federal
Investigation and Intelligence Bureau (FIIB) of the Nigerian National
Police. This project was designed to provide Nigerian law enforcement
officials with investigative leads to enable them to enforce their own
jurisdictional violations.
On July 2, 1996, officials of the FIIB, accompanied by Secret Service
agents in an observer/advisor role, executed search warrants on 16
location in Lagos that resulted in the arrests of 43 Nigerian nationals.
Evidence seized included telephones and facsimile machines, government
and Central Bank of Nigeria letterhead, international business
directories, scam letters, and addressed envelopes, and files containing
correspondence from victims throughout the world.
Task Forces
The Secret Service is involved in numerous task forces with federal,
state, county, city, and local law enforcement agencies nationwide.
Several of these task forces specifically target international organized
crime groups and the proceeds of their criminal enterprises. All assets
forfeited are shared with agencies represented on the task force.
These groups are not only involved in financial crimes, but
investigations indicate that the proceeds obtained from financial fraud
are being diverted toward other criminal enterprise.
Examples of Secret Service involvment in a variety of task forces:
* West African Task Force
* Metro Alien Task Force
* Financial Crimes Task Force
* Asian Organized Crime Task Force
* Violent Crimes Task Force
* HIDTA (High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area)
* INTERPOL(International Criminal Police Organization)
* IBFWG (Interagency Bank Fraud Working Group)
* CABINET (Combined Agency Interdiction Network)
Asset Seizures and Forfeitures
Provides assistance to investigative offices by supplying counsel,
direction, expertise and temporary support personnel as needed in terms
of criminal investigations and the seizure and forfeiture of assets.
Major Initiatives:
* Continued emphasis on forfeiture actions involving program fraud
(e.g. food stamp fraud and Medicare fraud). This emphasis is underscored
by specialized training of Secret Service personnel and proactive
involvement in these investigations from onset to criminal prosecution.
* Continued funding of task forces that have prioritized the use of
asset forfeiture as a significant criminal deterrent. Funding is
provided for the purchase of investigative equipment and state/local law
enforcement overtime costs.
* Continuation of an aggressive training program to enhance the
quality and quantity of Secret Service seizures involving fraud and
money laundering. Continued training of field investigators and support
components, emphasizing basic asset forfeiture skills, and providing
skill enhancement to those already possessing a basic knowledge of the
program.
* As a funding source for the Service, allocates monies for the
purchase of items having intrinsic law enforcement benefit and which
perpetuate forfeiture investigations. Such items include vehicles,
communications systems, law enforcement/forensic technologies, the
purchase of evidence/information and other special initiative
considerations.
* Coordination of the distribution of forfeited property requested for
official use by Secret Service field offices, as well as other
federal,state,and local law enforcement agencies participating in joint
investigations resulting in the seizure and forfeiture of assets.
Electronic Crimes Branch
Confiscated equipment used in cellular phone fraud. The passage of the
Omnibus Crime Control Act of 1984 brought to the Secret Service
investigative jurisdiction for violations of Title 18 United States Code
1029 (credit card and access devices) and in 1986 Title 18,United States
Code 1030 (computer fraud). The Financial Crimes Division's Electronic
Crimes Branch houses the equipment and personnel devoted to these
jurisdictions.
Between 1985 and the present, we have seen rapid growth of the number
and type of criminal misuses of electronic technology investigated by
the Service. The degree of sophistication of today's criminal has
advanced at an accelerated rate over the past few years.
Electron Crimes Branch equipment. Our electronic investigations have
involved credit card fraud, unauthorized computer access, cellular and
land line telephone service tampering, the production of false
identification, counterfeit currency, threats made against the
President, narcotics, illegal firearms trafficking, and even homicides.
Computers are now used extensively in facilitating many crimes
investgated by the Secret Service.
The Electronic Crimes Branch provides service to our special agents, who
are located in more than 125 domestic and foreign offices.
What does the ECB do?
* We provide administrative control of all computer-related and
telecommunications investigations.
* We provide technical assistance to our special agents in the
development of their cases, including the preparation and service of
search warrants on electronic storage devices.
* We provide laboratory analysis and courtroom testimony concerning
the evidentiary contents of electronic storage devices seized during
criminal investigations.
* We provide educational presentations to classes and seminars for
law enforcement officers, other government agencies, and private industry.
* We meet regularly with other government agencies, hardware
manufacturers, and software publishers to stay at the leading edge of
this quickly changing technology.
* We conduct research and development projects in order to address new
problem areas, linked to new technology.
Electronic Evidence Seizure
As computers and related storage and communication devices proliferate
in our society, so does the use of those devices in conducting criminal
activities. Technology is employed by criminals as a means of
communication, a tool for theft and extortion, and a repository to hide
incriminating evidence or contraband materials. Law enforcement officers
must possess up-to-date knowledge and equipment to effectively
investigate today's criminal activity. The law enforcement community is
challenged by the task of identifying, investigating and prosecuting
individuals and organizations that use these and other emerging
technologies to support their illicit operations.
Please see our Best Practices for Seizing Electronic Evidence reference
guide for more information.
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>In article <pcwi9.146$F53.2...@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>,
>Douglas Miller <ab...@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>In article <amb3rn$ehu$1...@panix1.panix.com>, docd...@panix.com wrote:
>>>In article <ic8i9.24$F53....@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>,
>>>Doug Miller <spam...@milmac.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>It's been said that you can't swindle an honest man...
>>>>
>>>
>>>.... and said most often by grifters who are trying to escape, having
>>>swindled honest men.
>>>
>>You missed the point entirely.
>
>Really? I thought I was pointing out an unintended consequence.
>
>>An honest man does not scheme to obtain by
>>craft that which does not belong to him.
>
>http://www.m-w.com: craft:
>
>1: skill in planning, making or executing.
>2: an occupation or trade requiring manual dexterity or artistic skill
Random House College Dictionary:
1. skill or dexterity
2. skill in deception; cunning; guile.
Among the synonyms listed (for the second sense) are artifice, deceitfulness,
and deception.
>
>One learns *such* things on UseNet... I did not know that honest people
>did not have programs or actions to obtain by skill that which do not
>belong to them.
>
One learns even more from books... you should try it some time.
Douglas Miller
>Alistair Maclean wrote:
>> Somebody keeps on writing:
>>
>>>you can't swindle an honest man.
>>
>>
>>
>> It is true that you can not swindle an honest man, but you can swindle a
>> greedy man. These rackets rely upon greed.
>>
>
>Nonsense. There have been thousands of widows, orphans, and plain old
>folks swindled over the years. Are you claiming things like Enron
>cannot happen?
Of course not. As long as there are people looking to make a fast buck,
or buy something at a price far lower than it is supposedly worth, there will
be others who take advantage of that greed. Were you burned by Enron, perhaps?
I stayed away, because it looked too good to be true, and in fact it was.
>The above is just part of the con. In fact, the line
>was invented by a con artist to justify his actions.
It's true nonetheless.
>
>If you said all cons revolve about human frailities, you might have a
>point. Stupidity is a common fraility, as is simply being naive. Some
>rackets are even based on the greed of the victim, as you say.
>
>The lie is on par with "you cannot rape a woman unless she is asking for
>it", and used for the exact same reason.
>
If there were an award for "Non-Sequitur of the Year" that statement would
have to be one of the finalists.
>Cons are based on the dishonesty of the con artist. The victim is not
>the guilty party.
Not the *only* guilty party, at any rate.
Cons are based on the dishonesty of both the con artist and the victim.
Someone who isn't trying to get something for nothing will not become prey for
a con artist. The classic "pigeon drop" scheme is a perfect example. The con
artist "finds" a sum of money, and invites the victim to share it. The right
thing to do, of course, is to turn the money over to the police, in hopes of
finding the rightful owner. If the intended victim were honest, he would
insist upon doing so, and thus avoid falling victim to the con. It is only the
dishonesty of the victim that allows him to be victimized.
And lest you make again the same leap of illogic you made in your response to
another of my posts in this thread, I wish to state clearly that I mean in no
way to excuse the con artist of culpability. Obviously the con artist is *a*
guilty party.
But not the *only* guilty party.
JerryMouse
"Douglas Miller" <ab...@ameritech.net>
> >
> You have missed the point entirely once again, attributed to me a
viewpoint
> that I do not hold and never expressed, and finally resorted to ad hominem
> attacks in lieu of making a rational argument. I do not condone, excuse,
or
> attempt to justify the actions of the swindlers, and nothing I wrote
implies
> to any rational person that I do. I merely point out that, were it not for
the
> greed of their victims, the swindlers would have no one to swindle.
>
> In the case of the Nigerian e-mail scams, this point is particularly
clear.
> The authors of the e-mails strongly imply, and in some cases that I've
seen,
> admit outright, that the money they claim to be attempting to transfer out
of
> the country was obtained illegally. At a minimum, they explain the need
> for secrecy by making it quite clear that the transfer itself is a
violation
> of Nigerian law. No honest person would participate in such a blatantly
> dishonest scheme; hence, only the dishonest will be victimized.
1. Honesty/dishonesty if not in the eye of the beholder, is certainly a
function of the law. An illegal act in Nigeria is not an illegal act in the
U.S. (or anywhere else, for that matter). In other words, if someone else
kills a third person in Nigeria, I cannot be put on trial in the U.S. for
the murder. Further, the law making some action in Nigeria illegal may be
morally reprehensible (such as the current "Agrarian Reform" movement in the
area). For example, what if the law in Nigeria required all citizens to turn
in their U.S. dollars to the government and this person simply wanted to
smuggle (illegal/illegal) their hoard out of the country? I sympathize with
your position; the terminology just needed adjusting.
And just in case anybody thinks the whole sorry description is improbable to
the nth degree, please note the U.S. gets MORE oil from Nigeria than it does
from Saudi Arabia! Nigeria has big bucks!
2. Greed is good. For lots of reasons. The effects of greed may be good or
bad, but it is more appropriate to condemn the results than the motive.
Paul Raulerson
"JerryMouse" <nos...@bisusa.com> wrote in message news:d37j9.193783$AR1.8...@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...
>
Well now, the below is not entirely true. For example, kill an American citizen, in Nigeria or anywhwere else. If any U.S.
govenrment agency gets its hands on you, you will be standing trial in the U.S. for murder, or worse these days.
Donald Tees
>>You missed the point entirely. A dishonest man always claims the reason
>>for thier dishonestly is the dishonesty of others. That only other
>>crooks are harmed, and that it is therefore quite acceptable to be a
>>crook, is one of those lies that anyone over five years old can see the
>>fallacy of. Reapeating it just shows how naiv you are.
>>
>
> You have missed the point entirely once again, attributed to me a viewpoint
> that I do not hold and never expressed, and finally resorted to ad hominem
> attacks in lieu of making a rational argument. I do not condone, excuse, or
> attempt to justify the actions of the swindlers, and nothing I wrote implies
> to any rational person that I do. I merely point out that, were it not for the
> greed of their victims, the swindlers would have no one to swindle.
>
I attributed nothing to you beyond being mistaken. Honest people do get
swindled. To claim otherwise is simple stupidity, which I now do
attribute to you. (as well as a very thin skin).
Donald
Paul Barnett
> 1. Honesty/dishonesty if not in the eye of the beholder, is certainly a
> function of the law. An illegal act in Nigeria is not an illegal act in
the
> U.S. (or anywhere else, for that matter). In other words, if someone else
> kills a third person in Nigeria, I cannot be put on trial in the U.S. for
> the murder.
In the UK you could certainly be put on trial - if it was you that did (or
sanctioned) the killing.
Alistair Maclean
>>The lie is on par with "you cannot rape a woman unless she is asking for
>>it", and used for the exact same reason.
There is no excuse for rape, howsoever it occurs. Another lie is that no
woman asks to be raped. For a discussion on that see 'Games People Play'
by Eric Berne (sadly deceased).
ps. I don't wish to discuss rape, so end of conversation.
--
Alistair Maclean
Alistair Maclean
JerryMouse <nos...@bisusa.com> writes
>1. Honesty/dishonesty if not in the eye of the beholder, is certainly a
>function of the law. An illegal act in Nigeria is not an illegal act in the
>U.S. (or anywhere else, for that matter). In other words, if someone else
>kills a third person in Nigeria, I cannot be put on trial in the U.S. for
>the murder.
crimes committed elsewhere. Unfortunately, these are seldom used (except
for a certain Chilean general).
>Further, the law making some action in Nigeria illegal may be
>morally reprehensible (such as the current "Agrarian Reform" movement in the
>area).
We can probably do you for that as well.
>And just in case anybody thinks the whole sorry description is improbable to
>the nth degree, please note the U.S. gets MORE oil from Nigeria than it does
>from Saudi Arabia! Nigeria has big bucks!
That explains why the free world does nothing to stop the human rights
abuses carried out by the Nigerian regime upon the (minority)
inhabitants of the oil producing region of Nigeria.
>
>2. Greed is good. For lots of reasons. The effects of greed may be good or
>bad, but it is more appropriate to condemn the results than the motive.
No. Greed is Honest, not good.
--
Alistair Maclean
docd...@panix.com
Douglas Miller <ab...@ameritech.net> wrote:
>In article <amf6he$gck$1...@panix1.panix.com>, docd...@panix.com wrote:
>>In article <pcwi9.146$F53.2...@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>,
>>Douglas Miller <ab...@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>In article <amb3rn$ehu$1...@panix1.panix.com>, docd...@panix.com wrote:
>>>>In article <ic8i9.24$F53....@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>,
>>>>Doug Miller <spam...@milmac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>It's been said that you can't swindle an honest man...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>.... and said most often by grifters who are trying to escape, having
>>>>swindled honest men.
>>>>
>>>You missed the point entirely.
>>
>>Really? I thought I was pointing out an unintended consequence.
>>
>>>An honest man does not scheme to obtain by
>>>craft that which does not belong to him.
>>
>>http://www.m-w.com: craft:
>>
>>1: skill in planning, making or executing.
>>2: an occupation or trade requiring manual dexterity or artistic skill
>
>Random House College Dictionary:
>1. skill or dexterity
>2. skill in deception; cunning; guile.
>
>Among the synonyms listed (for the second sense) are artifice, deceitfulness,
>and deception.
Quite right... now please be so kind as to point out where it was that
you precluded confusion by indicating your use of a secondary definition
or synonym.
>>
>>One learns *such* things on UseNet... I did not know that honest people
>>did not have programs or actions to obtain by skill that which do not
>>belong to them.
>>
>One learns even more from books... you should try it some time.
I read a book, once... it told me that greed and dishonesty were the same
thing, I discarded it.
DD
JerryMouse
"Paul Barnett" <paul.b...@microfocus.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:amn3mi$qnl$1...@hyperion.microfocus.com...
I bet that's because the U.K. can make the case that the 'sanctioning' or
'directing' of the murder took place under U.K. jurisdiction. That is, I
made the 'phone call ordering the hit while in the U.K. Pretend I made the
call while in Belgium and happened to be in London when the murder took
place. Are you telling me that the U.K. can invoke criminal penalties
against me for a act that took place completely outside the jurisdiction of
the U.K.? (This is not the best example because the criminal enterprise can
be presumed to be on-going until the actual murder, but you get the idea.)
If so, there are some seriously disturbed legal minds in the system. I
thought the ICC was the first of this extra-territorial nonsense.
Point The Second: There are a number of Muslim fanatics in the U.K. that the
U.K. won't extradite to the U.S. So, why hasn't the U.K. put them on trial?
Or, for that matter, for having four wives back in Jordan (or wherever).
Tim Scrivens
Poor old Hulk Hogan.
Him and his fellow wrestlers blamed for Nigerian scams, now.
(or have I got the wrong New World Order, here??).
Habitant
>I read a book, once..
Yer jes imitatin' Dim Son again!
Fool me ounce, shame on ye..
Paul Barnett
As for extradition - this can only happen when the offence for which
extradition has been requested is also an offence in the country where the
accused is seeking refuge. What is it that these muslim fanitics are
supposed to have done?
The UK has often had a very hard time extraditing IRA murder suspects from
the USA because they claim thier crime was a political one. Since when has
murder been a political crime? In fairness - the USA has changed its
attitude on this issue since 9/11.
"JerryMouse" <nos...@bisusa.com> wrote in message
news:fCKj9.246294$AR1.10...@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...
gary drummond
>
> "James J. Gavan" wrote:
> >
> > You folks still getting inundated with Nigerian scams ? I know BIll had
> > one some time back and seems I get one every week with just a name
> > change.
> >
> > Sad part is, people get 'taken' for $millions ! Check out following :-
> >
> > http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/Business/nigerian.htm
>
> well, maybe they deserve to be taken...
>
> Odd that it's always Nigeria. Is there something special about that
> country?
>
> --
> Frank Swarbrick -- now powered by SuSE Linux 7.2
> "I'm very seldom naughty" --Willow Rosenberg, 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer'
I just received one from the Congo, but the rest of the scam was
about the same...
Gary
Russell Styles
"gary drummond" <gdr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:3DC2070F...@sbcglobal.net...
I keep getting Spanish or Portuguese Spam. Since I don't speak either
language that puzzles me.
Edward Reid
>
> You folks still getting inundated with Nigerian scams ? I know BIll had
> one some time back and seems I get one every week with just a name
> change.
Only weekly? You piker. I get them hourly.
On Fri, 1 Nov 2002 2:18:49 -0500, Russell Styles wrote
> I keep getting Spanish or Portuguese Spam. Since I don't speak either
> language that puzzles me.
But someone with a .net address reads Spanish, or Portuguese, or
Chinese, or Korean etc ad nauseum, so they HAVE to send it to ALL .net
addresses ...
Edward
Liam Devlin
I've had some from Asia & South Africa, as well. I forward all of them
to U...@FTC.GOV, as well as Spam Cop.
Frank,
I'm considering trying to learn Linux, would you recommend the SuSE
distribution? Any other advice/cautions from the others here?
TIA
Frank Swarbrick
>
> Frank,
>
> I'm considering trying to learn Linux, would you recommend the SuSE
> distribution? Any other advice/cautions from the others here?
I like SuSE fine, but I haven't used any other distribution, so I really
don't have anything to compare it to.
Liam Devlin
> Liam Devlin wrote:
>
>>Frank,
>>
>>I'm considering trying to learn Linux, would you recommend the SuSE
>>distribution? Any other advice/cautions from the others here?
>
>
> I like SuSE fine, but I haven't used any other distribution, so I really
> don't have anything to compare it to.
Thanks for the feedback.
Paul Barnett
Text follows.............................................
FROM: MR Edward Adeleye
FAX:234.1759.6254.
ATTN: dear sir
REQUEST FOR URGENT BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP
Firstly, I must solicit your strictest confidentiality
in this transaction. This is by virtue of its nature
as being utterly CONFIDENTIAL and "TOP SECRET." Though
I know that a transaction of this magnitude will make
anyone apprehensive and worried, but I am assuring you
that all will be well at the end of the day.
We have decided to contact you first by your email due
to the urgency of this transaction, as we have been
reliably informed that it will take at least two to
three weeks for a normal post to reach you. So we
decided it is best using the email. Let me start by
first introducing myself properly to you.I am MR EDWARD ADELEYE
a director general in NATIONAL ELECTRIC POWER AUTHORITY
and I head a Three-man tender board
appointed by the Government of the Federal Republic of
Nigeria to award contracts to individuals and
companies and to approve such contract payments in the
National Electric Power Authority . The duties of the
committee also include evaluation, vetting and
monitoring of work done by foreign and local
contractors in the ministry.
I came to know of you in my search for a reliable and
reputable person to handle a very confidential
business transaction which involves the transfer of a
huge sum of money to a foreign account requiring
maximum confidence. In order to commence this
business, we solicit for your assistance to enable us
transfer into your account the said funds.
The source of this funds is as follows: Between 1999
and 2000, this committee awarded contracts to various
contractors for engineering, procurement, supply of
electrical equipments such as Transformers, and some
rural electrification projects.
However, these contracts were over-invoiced by the
committee, thereby, leaving the sum of US$14.3million
dollars (Fourteen Million Three Hundred thousand
United States Dollars) in excess. This was done with
the intention that the committee will share the excess
when the payments are approved.
The Federal Government have since approved the total
contract sum which has been paid out to the companies
and contractors concerned which executed the
contracts, leaving the balance of $14.3m dollars,
which we need your assistance to transfer into a safe
off-shore and reliable account to be disbursed amongst
ourselves.
We need your assistance as the funds are presently
secured in an escrow account of the Federal Government
specifically set aside for the settlement of
outstanding payments to foreign contractors. We are
handicapped in the circumstances as the civil service
code of conduct, does not allow us to operate
off-shore accounts, hence your importance in the whole
transaction.
My colleagues and I have agreed that if you or your
company can act as the beneficiary of this funds on
our behalf, you or your company will retain 20% of the
total amount of US$14,300,000.00 (Fourteen Million
Three Hundred Thousand United States Dollars), while
70% will be for us (members of this panel) and the
remaining 10% will be used in offsetting all
debts/expenses incurred (both local and foreign) in
the cause of this transfer. Needless to say, the trust
reposed on you at this juncture is enormous. In return
we demand your complete honesty and trust.
It does not matter whether or not your company does
contract projects of this nature described here, the
assumption is that your company won the major contract
and sub-contracted it out to other companies. More
often than not, big trading companies or firms of
unrelated fields win major contracts and subcontract
to more specialized firms for execution of such
contracts. We are civil servants and we will not
want to miss this once in a life time opportunity.
You must however, NOTE that this transaction will be
strictly based on the following terms and conditions
as we have stated below, as we have heard confirmed
cases of business associates running away with funds
kept in their custody when it finally arrive their
accounts. We have decided that this transaction will
be based completely on the following:
(a). Our conviction of your transparent honesty and
diligence.
(b). That you would treat this transaction with utmost
secrecy and confidentiality.
(c). That upon receipt of the funds, you will promptly
release our share (70%) on demand after you have
removed your 20% and all expenses have been settled.
(d). You must be ready to produce us with enough
information about yourself to put our minds at rest.
Please, note that this transaction is 100% legal and
risk free and we hope to conclude the business in Ten
Bank working days from the date of receipt of the
necessary information and requirement from you.
Endeavour to acknowledge the receipt of this letter
using my above number . I will bring you into the
complete picture of the transaction when I have heard
from you.
Your urgent response will be highly appreciated as we
are already behind schedule for this financial
quarter.
Thank you and God bless.
Yours faithfully,
MR EDWARD ADELEYE
"gary drummond" <gdr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:3DC2070F...@sbcglobal.net...
Robert Jones
receiving it, by which time, neither address was able to accept a
response. I dropped my connection immediately after sending the
message to AOL from HOTMAIL. HOTMAIL itself wouldn't accept the
address in the first place.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#
Hi my name is Angelica Lyximboorg; I am 22 years of age.
I am new to the internet, and I found your e-mail on one of the news
groups.
I was just wondering if you would be kind enough and walk me thru on
how to post a massage on the board.
I heard it's to do something with outlook express or something, I am
just a little bit confused and all =)
If you can explain to me how to use the news groups forum that would
be great.
Here is my e-mail address which I use daily
Angelica22l...@hotmail.com
Best regards,
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#
"Paul Barnett" <paul.b...@nospam.microfocus.com> wrote in message news:<aq8mkm$vjn$1...@hyperion.microfocus.com>...
Richard Plinston
>
> I got the following a few days ago, I didn't answer till a day after
It was most likely a spam message trying to solicit responses to confirm
that your EMail address was active. Other ways of doing this are to
have a 'remove me from this list' option that does exactly the opposite.
By responding you have ensured that your EMail address will be burned
into a CD that will be sold to thousands of new spammers as 'confirmed
active'.
My horoscope reading for you this day is:
Expect many new friends to write to you in the very near future.
Robert Graham
crashing and I'd have to reload it. May be I'll try SuSE next.
BTW, know of any COBOL compilers for Linux?
Richard
>
> BTW, know of any COBOL compilers for Linux?
Many vendors have had compilers for Linux for some time. Fujitsu
recently released theirs too (see www.adtools.com).
There are also free Cobol projects: Tiny Cobol and Open-Cobol. Plus
there is Kobol from www.TheKompany.com that is inexpensive.
Liam Devlin
> I used the Caldera Open Linux for a while as an experiment, but it kept
> crashing and I'd have to reload it. May be I'll try SuSE next.
Follow up:
Some other folks recommended the Mandrake distro, so I downloaded the
9.0 ISO images, burned the CD's & tried to install. I had install
problems both trying a dual boot install (with W2K) on my desktop and as
a standalone system on my laptop (ThinkPad). Someone suggested trying
the previous version, 8.2. That wouldn't install on my laptop at all.
I decided it was time to change my approach, so I downloaded RedHat's
8.0 distribution and that installed without a glitch, on my laptop
first, then a dual boot setup with W2K on my desktop (24 hours ago).
In both cases I was online less than an hour after the install routines
completed, tougher to figure out how to define my laser printer plugged
into my router, but done. I'm unable to play mp3 files and I'd like to
map or define the Windows HDD's to Linux so I have access to everything.
It's like 30 years ago, I'm on the flat part of the learning curve with
Linux; but at least I understand what I need to master here, e.g., the
new terminology and how to navigate Linux. I figure I need a book or two
to get the "Concepts & Facilities" level info and to start looking into
the Linux magazines, I've learned a lot from the PC magazines over the
years.
My $.02 anyway.
Richard Plinston
> I'd like to
> map or define the Windows HDD's to Linux so I have access to everything.
Samba does that. It provides an SMB server and also has a client file
system for mapping to Windows shares: mount -f smbfs //winmachine/C
/mnt/winmachine
Liam Devlin
I managed to figure this out yesterday, needed to add the "ntfs"
definition to the kernel. Now I can mount the Window's HDD's RO, e.g.:
mount -r ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt/wind
where I've previously defined a "/mnt/wind" directory.
Does Samba permit updating? (not that I'm planning anything at this point)
I've seen lots of posts concerning Samba, is it new or troublesome?
Richard Plinston
>
> >>I'd like to
> >>map or define the Windows HDD's to Linux so I have access to everything.
> mount -r ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt/wind
>
> where I've previously defined a "/mnt/wind" directory.
>
> Does Samba permit updating? (not that I'm planning anything at this point)
You are wanting to map local HD partitions to Linux, while I thought you
wanted to map networked machines. Samba is for networking.
NTFS partitions are particularly troublesome because NT is designed that
way. If it were easy to access an NTFS partition from another system
then the whole idea of MS's security goes out the window ;-)
Actually there have been ways of getting at NTFS partitions for some
time, such as from OS/2. MS changes it at each release though just to
make it difficult for others.
> I've seen lots of posts concerning Samba, is it new or troublesome?
It's been around for years.
Liam Devlin
> Liam Devlin wrote:
>
>>>>I'd like to
>>>>map or define the Windows HDD's to Linux so I have access to everything.
>
>>mount -r ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt/wind
>>
>>where I've previously defined a "/mnt/wind" directory.
>>
>>Does Samba permit updating? (not that I'm planning anything at this point)
>
> You are wanting to map local HD partitions to Linux, while I thought you
> wanted to map networked machines. Samba is for networking.
Aha!
> NTFS partitions are particularly troublesome because NT is designed that
> way. If it were easy to access an NTFS partition from another system
> then the whole idea of MS's security goes out the window ;-)
Read only doesn't seem to be much of a problem, but updating is a can of
worms because MS has never released a spec for NTFS (probably for
security reasons <g>), so I have read.
Hugh Candlin
Liam Devlin <Li...@optonline.NOSPAM.net> wrote in message news:3DCED9BF...@optonline.NOSPAM.net...
>
> Read only doesn't seem to be much of a problem, but updating is a can of
> worms because MS has never released a spec for NTFS (probably for
> security reasons <g>), so I have read.
You've never visited www.ntfs.com then?
Liam Devlin
Nope, just relating what I've read in posts about Linux's ntfs support.
Thanks for the link.
Robert Graham
basic network (actually the 4 machines go thru a router to get to the
internet ((Road Runner Broadband Cable))). I've got them to share files
(windows is not as friendly as Bill Gates makes it out to be). Two
machines are Windows ME and two are Windows XP. They all share files
well, but the XP wont recoginze the printer on an ME machine. They did
recognize the printer I had hooked to the router (SMC Barcade) but that
laser needs a new drum unit which I don't want to spring for just now.
The question is, if I put a Linux machine on the network, what problems
will I have talking to Windows machines beyond file share (which I was
able to do in the Caldera version, including file updating, although it
was cleaner when I had Star Office on both ops. However, as mentioned
before, I found Caldera unstable.)
Thanks,
Bob
Robert Graham
> 3/5 RIDER HAGGARD
> CLOSE, JO, BORG
> SOUTH AFRICA.
>
> REPLY TO: odum...@zwallet.com
>
> URGENT BUSINESS PROPOSAL. (CONFIDENTIAL)
>
> Dear sir,
>
> First, let me introduce myself to you. I am Mr. Mark Odu, the Auditor General of Prime Banks in Africa, ...
Once again, if it's too good to be true, it isn't true.
Bob
PS, I forwarded it to the appropriate authorities.
Michael Mattias
news:3DCFCCF0...@nycap.rr.com...
> By the way, they have "moved" to South Africa. I got one today -
>
Hey, I go one this AM from Mr. Odu, too. Small world, how we total
strangers qualify for the same once-in-a-lifetime opporutnity courtesy of
another total stranger in the RSA.
MCM
Robert Graham
Richard
> The question is, if I put a Linux machine on the network, what problems
> will I have talking to Windows machines beyond file share (which I was
> able to do in the Caldera version, including file updating, although it
> was cleaner when I had Star Office on both ops.
The main problem I had using Samba was related to the Windows machines
password encryption. Once fixed (years ago) it has mostly just
worked. Actually I do have another problem with a Windows machine
that has a CD drive and a DVD/CDR. The DVD is accessed fine by the DVD
player, and is F: to a DOS prompt, but it doesn't show up in Windows
Explorer so I can't make it sharable. If there was a command line
access to sharing still (there was in W4W 3.11) then I could share F:
drive.
'Beyond filesharing' you can set up Linux with Apache as an IntraNet,
and PostgreSQL (or MySQL) and unixODBC as a Databse server. With these
then you will have a shared database resource accessible from most
languages (Cobol, Python, CobolScript, PERL, PHP) and from Star
Office/OpenOffice.org via web browsing, ODBC or directly.
Also you can use VNC to put a Windows screen on your Linux machine so
that you can use both at the same time from one keyboard/monitor.
Liam Devlin
> Robert Graham <rgra...@nycap.rr.com> wrote
>
>>The question is, if I put a Linux machine on the network, what problems
>>will I have talking to Windows machines beyond file share (which I was
>>able to do in the Caldera version, including file updating, although it
>>was cleaner when I had Star Office on both ops.
>
> The main problem I had using Samba was related to the Windows machines
> password encryption. Once fixed (years ago) it has mostly just
> worked. Actually I do have another problem with a Windows machine
> that has a CD drive and a DVD/CDR. The DVD is accessed fine by the DVD
> player, and is F: to a DOS prompt, but it doesn't show up in Windows
> Explorer so I can't make it sharable. If there was a command line
> access to sharing still (there was in W4W 3.11) then I could share F:
> drive.
Does the DVD/CDR drive show up when you double-click "My Computer"?
Right clicking any device there gives you access to the Properties sheet.
Liam Devlin
> By the way, they have "moved" to South Africa. I got one today -
>
>> 3/5 RIDER HAGGARD
>> CLOSE, JO, BORG
>> SOUTH AFRICA.
>>
>> REPLY TO: odum...@zwallet.com
>>
>> URGENT BUSINESS PROPOSAL. (CONFIDENTIAL)
>> Dear sir,
>>
>> First, let me introduce myself to you.
"I'm a man of wealth and taste"
<g>
Richard
> > Actually I do have another problem with a Windows machine
> > that has a CD drive and a DVD/CDR. The DVD is accessed fine by the DVD
> > player, and is F: to a DOS prompt, but it doesn't show up in Windows
> > Explorer so I can't make it sharable. If there was a command line
> > access to sharing still (there was in W4W 3.11) then I could share F:
> > drive.
>
> Does the DVD/CDR drive show up when you double-click "My Computer"?
> Right clicking any device there gives you access to the Properties sheet.
No. It doesn't show up anywhere except as F: drive in a command
prompt. There is no explorer or "My Computer" entry for F: drive.
If I disconnet the CD then the DVD/CDR shows up fine everywhere (as E:
drive).
SkippyPB
<Li...@optonline.NOSPAM.net> enlightened us:
The Congo has struck again as I just got one from:
FROM: COL. MICHAEL BUNDU.
DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF CONGO.
Tel No: Your country Intl. access code +8821652098236
email : mike...@rediffmail.com
Dear Sir/Madam,
----
You'd think he'd know I'm not a Madam. Never owned a brothel in my
entire life!
Regards,
////
(o o)
-oOO--(_)--OOo-
Real Signs:
In a Tokyo Bar:
SPECIAL COCKTAILS FOR THE LADIES WITH NUTS
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Remove nospam to email me.
Steve
Robert Graham
Are you suggesting that the man from Nigeria/South Africa,
etc. is really a member of the Rolling Stones????? Did they
loose money on the Steel Wheels Tour?
Grinder
"Richard" <rip...@Azonic.co.nz> wrote in message
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That's characteristic of a slave/master setting mismatch on IDE
drives. Are both drives IDE drives on the same channel?
Richard
> That's characteristic of a slave/master setting mismatch on IDE
> drives. Are both drives IDE drives on the same channel?
No, different channels. When both are on they are both accessible,
for example I can copy a CD to the DVD/CDR, or play a DVD, or use the
CD as E: and DVD as F:, but the DVD/CDR does not show up in Explorer
or 'My Computer'. When the CD is off the DVD/CDR shows up fine
everywhere.
Grinder
What does your setup look like?
A guess from what you've said:
Primary IDE Channel:
Hard Drive (master)
DVD (slave)
Secondary IDE Channel:
CD (master)
Robert Graham
You're not by any chance running Windows ME or something
other than XP? I've had so much trouble with two optical
divices (either CD and CD-RW, or CD and DVD) that the
machine has been getting as much service as one of those old
British LeLand cars. Usually the DVD plays everything fine,
and the CD will read data CD's but the CD will not play
music. Often times the system locked up when using the
secondary CD, requiring a cold boot. Other times, the sound
drivers mysteriously disapear. So..., if you are not using
XP consider upgrading, it seems to have fixed lots of
ME/2000/98/95 problems (not that it doesn't come with its
own undocumented bugs, I mean "enhancements".)
Grinder
I would agree. One quick point, though. Win2000 is the basis
for XP (and is a departure from 9x/ME,) so it's a good choice
as well.
Richard
> So..., if you are not using XP consider upgrading,
'Upgrading' is to something other than Windows. It is Win98. When I
boot RedHat on that machine it all works fine. Eventually Windows
will be thrown out, err,... the window.
No, I will not be using XP, ever.
Robert Graham
Well, until Linux runs windows programs as seemlessly as
Windows, I'll have to hope the Gates people get it as right
as possible.
TigerDirect.com is selling a "Lindows" computer that is
supposed to include Windows drivers to allow Windows
programs to work. Anyone know about this Lindows Op? It
has as a core Linux but I don't know who is behind it.
Richard
> Well, until Linux runs windows programs as seemlessly as
> Windows, I'll have to hope the Gates people get it as right
> as possible.
I keep the old '98 machine to cover the residual Windows stuff I
require. Actually I do have Win4Lin which runs an actual copy of Win98
in a Linux window, but it is just as easy on a separate machine as I
have a few machines networked together. If I am too lazy to go to the
other screen/keyboard I can just use VNC to bring it to me.
> TigerDirect.com is selling a "Lindows" computer that is
> supposed to include Windows drivers to allow Windows
> programs to work. Anyone know about this Lindows Op? It
> has as a core Linux but I don't know who is behind it.
It uses an enhanced WINE that includes support for DirectX. It can
run many Windows programs, even some games. It may be useful if there
are specific requirements for actual Windows programs - but not enough
to justify Win4Lin or VMWare or Plex (the last two run a Windows OS
_and_ Linux at the same time on one machine).
Howard Brazee
On 15-Nov-2002, rip...@Azonic.co.nz (Richard) wrote:
> > So..., if you are not using XP consider upgrading,
>
> 'Upgrading' is to something other than Windows. It is Win98. When I
> boot RedHat on that machine it all works fine. Eventually Windows
> will be thrown out, err,... the window.
If one is using Windows Me then just about any change is upgrading.
> No, I will not be using XP, ever.
A definite statement such as that probably means you don't like its registration
policy. And that you are self-employed.
Objection to its registration policy is a political choice. XP is technically
superior to any non NT windows (unless you don't have the resources to run it).
Richard
> > No, I will not be using XP, ever.
>
> A definite statement such as that probably means you don't like its registration policy.
With previous versions of Windows, agreeing to the EULA granted MS, or
its agents, the _right_ to enter your premises and inspect any and all
your computers and require that you supply all material required to
prove correct licencing. It is not that I couldn't do this, but I have
inadequate filing systems.
By not registering I avoideed giving MS, and the Spanish Inquisition,
the address of the premises they thought that they should have the
right to enter.
With XP SP1, and other later EULAs that MS insist on, they now have
the _right_ to connect to your machine, change any and all programs,
upgrade or delete, examine data and block any operation. This is
irrespective of whether you have turned off 'auto update' or not.
I won't give that right to anyone.
> And that you are self-employed.
And I also work for clients who have tried XP and will be dumping it.
> Objection to its registration policy is a political choice.
Is 'non-objection' also a 'political choice' ? Did you not object
because it is good for the US economy ? Did you not object because
that is 'one in the eye' of the DoJ ?
Or is it only 'objection' that is a political choice ?
> XP is technically superior to any non NT windows
Well, MS would say that. However, if you wish to argue 'technical
superiority' then why restrict the comparison to Win 3.11-Win98 ? In
many ways XP is technically inferior to WinNT (for example the changes
needed to allow games to run compromises the system).
For the vast majority of Windows users 'technical superiority' is just
more marketing goobledegook. They neither know nor care what that is
about, but buy XP or not based on the same reason they choose their
cars - how many sparkly things it has, or says it has in the brochure
(little cries of joy when they discover that the new model has cup
holders that can adjust to _two_ sizes of cups).
For most users Win98 is 'good enough' for what they want to do. MS is
trying to prove that it is 'hated' and 'insecure' and is, well, crap
actually. In fact a decent firewall and _not_ using outlook or IIS
(there are alternatives) is enough to provide sufficient security.
If 'technical superiority' was a decision factor then Windows wouldn't
get on the list. For example: FAT, FAT32, NTFS ? only MS could
consider these to be adequate as file systems, technically they are
rather poor.
On another note, I hate the condescending paternalism of Windows, the
fact that 'MS knows best' and will reset changes that I make to try to
get the machine to work the way that _I_ want it. Perhaps Americans
are brought up to like that sort of thing (it sure seems so from the
television programs and news we get from the US).
Howard Brazee
On 18-Nov-2002, rip...@Azonic.co.nz (Richard) wrote:
> > And that you are self-employed.
>
> And I also work for clients who have tried XP and will be dumping it.
If my employer chooses XP, I will use XP on their machines. My objection to it
doesn't further than making a recommendation when I go outside of my home.
> > Objection to its registration policy is a political choice.
>
> Is 'non-objection' also a 'political choice' ? Did you not object
> because it is good for the US economy ? Did you not object because
> that is 'one in the eye' of the DoJ ?
Certainly "non-objection" can be a political choice.
> Or is it only 'objection' that is a political choice ?
>
> > XP is technically superior to any non NT windows
>
> Well, MS would say that. However, if you wish to argue 'technical
> superiority' then why restrict the comparison to Win 3.11-Win98 ? In
> many ways XP is technically inferior to WinNT (for example the changes
> needed to allow games to run compromises the system).
You were the person who first mentioned that XP was not an upgrade over W98. I
think that almost anything is technically superior to W98, including XP.
> For the vast majority of Windows users 'technical superiority' is just
> more marketing goobledegook.
Unless they experience the blue screen of death with W98 and their friends do
not with WXP. For the mast majority of Windows users 'technical superiority'
means that they can get their work and playing done.
> If 'technical superiority' was a decision factor then Windows wouldn't
> get on the list. For example: FAT, FAT32, NTFS ? only MS could
> consider these to be adequate as file systems, technically they are
> rather poor.
The vast majority of users don't care about that. They just want to plug in
their programs of choice and have them work. Also they want to be able to plug
in their USB device and have it work. If they can do that with XP and can't
do it with W95 or WNT, then to them, WXP is technically superior.
One of the characteristics you condemn with XP though should not be turned off -
all Windows versions have so many serious flaws that it can be dangerous to not
keep caught up with fixes. The average user won't do this on his own,
automating the procedure is recommended. This is a damning indictment of
MicroSoft - but I am only discussing the comparison you made - that between W98
and WXP.
Richard
> You were the person who first mentioned that XP was not an upgrade over W98. I
> think that almost anything is technically superior to W98, including XP.
No. I didn't say that 'XP is not an upgrade over W98' at all,
anywhere, only that I wouldn't be putting XP on that machine.
I don't mind being criticised for what I said, but I do not like being
criticised for your invention.
> Unless they experience the blue screen of death with W98
Actually I haven't had a BSOD on W98 for months, years even. W98 is
'good enough' for what I do.
Typically MS will disparage earlier versions of their products. Given
that most competition has been eliminated their biggest threat to
revenue growth is older versions of Windows and Office. When W95 came
out the Win3.11 GUI became 'the hated', with XP we discovered that W2k
had failed the 'Ballmer boys test'. Now we discover that W98, ME, etc
has never been and can never be 'secure'.
In a couple of years time MS will be telling us how awful XP was/is.
>> to be adequate as file systems, technically they are
>> rather poor.
> The vast majority of users don't care about that.
Exactly my point. The vast majority don't care about superiority or
inferiority, as long as it is 'good enough'.
> They just want to
> plug in their programs of choice and have them work. Also they want to
> be able to plug in their USB device and have it work. If they can do that
> with XP and can't do it with W95 or WNT, then to them, WXP is technically
> superior.
W98 works for what I do with Windows (including USB and programs).
> but I am only discussing the comparison you made - that between
> W98 and WXP.
Actually it was you that made the comparison:
>> > XP is technically superior to any non NT windows
I am not sure that I made any such comparison specifically between W98
and WXP.
Howard Brazee
On 18-Nov-2002, rip...@Azonic.co.nz (Richard) wrote:
> > You were the person who first mentioned that XP was not an upgrade over W98.
> > I
> > think that almost anything is technically superior to W98, including XP.
>
> No. I didn't say that 'XP is not an upgrade over W98' at all,
> anywhere, only that I wouldn't be putting XP on that machine.
>
> I don't mind being criticised for what I said, but I do not like being
> criticised for your invention.
You said (referring to XP):
> 'Upgrading' is to something other than Windows. It is Win98.
I fail to see how this isn't saying that XP is not an upgrade over W98.
> > but I am only discussing the comparison you made - that between
> > W98 and WXP.
>
> Actually it was you that made the comparison:
See above.
> >> > XP is technically superior to any non NT windows
>
> I am not sure that I made any such comparison specifically between W98
> and WXP.
See above.
Richard
Referring to CD+DVD/CDR problem and "consider upgrading":
> > 'Upgrading' is to something other than Windows. It is Win98.
>
> I fail to see how this isn't saying that XP is not an upgrade over W98.
'Upgrading' [that machine] is to something other than Windows.
Upgrading to XP is not something that I would do, this is not saying
that XP does not constitute an 'upgrade' to Win98 in several ways,
but, for a start, the machine would not install or run XP adequately
having insufficient MHz/MByte/GByte.
'Total replacement' might be to XP, but I won't be doing that either.
Grinder
products. Given
> that most competition has been eliminated their biggest
threat to
> revenue growth is older versions of Windows and Office. When
W95 came
> out the Win3.11 GUI became 'the hated', with XP we discovered
that W2k
> had failed the 'Ballmer boys test'. Now we discover that
W98, ME, etc
> has never been and can never be 'secure'.
In spite of the marketing forces at work, it is true that
Windows NT (and it's derivatives) has much more security
infrastructure in place. If this results in better security is
determined by other factors as well, but it gives you better
odds.
> In a couple of years time MS will be telling us how awful XP
was/is.
>
> >> to be adequate as file systems, technically they are
> >> rather poor.
>
> > The vast majority of users don't care about that.
>
> Exactly my point. The vast majority don't care about
superiority or
> inferiority, as long as it is 'good enough'.
I wouldn't try to convince you to go to XP -- I can respect
your reasons for not doing so. As an adjunct, though, everyone
I've spoken with, that has moved from Win32 (95/98/ME) to WinNT
(4.0/2000/XP) has been very happy with the step "up." Part of
this would have to be the associated boost in hardware, but
there is a genuine appreciation of the operating system
improvements as well. These users range the spectrum of
technical savvy -- from my code buddies down to my mother.