Vista can now do full-screen terminal
Norman Perelson
was my first hands-on experiance with the operating system that 'everyone'
reported cannot switch to full screen textual mode, the first thing I did
was load one of my old Clipper programs and press Alt-Enter to see what
would happen. Surprise! It switched to full screen mode. I tried several
other programs, including Microsoft's 'Command Prompt' and an Xbase++ 1.82
'VIO' program, and they all behaved perfectly - switching to full-screen
and back again with Alt-Enter.
Thank you Microsoft. Now if you would just stop decorating the desktop with
dumb widgets (who needs another clock or a miniature photo album), and stop
inventing new names for old features (for example 'My Computer' is now
called 'Computer', and desktop 'Properties' bacame 'Preferences'), I might
even like Vista.
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Norman
http://norman.shoso.com
Mike Evans
It has nothing to do with vista but with the video driver. What graphics
card this PC has and what driver you use?
Regards
Mike Evans
roman modic
"Norman Perelson" <nor...@shoso.co.za> wrote in message news:11799389...@vasbyt.isdsl.net...
What VGA chip your PC has?
http://www.tabletquestions.com/windows-vista/55302-wordstar-4-compatibility-under-vista.html
[quote]
Vista doesn't support full-screen console unless you install XP (XDDM)
video drivers instead of Vista video drivers (WDDM).
The reason WDDM drivers do not support full-screen console is because
they do not allow int10 access required to do this.
The only way to get full-screen DOS programs working under Windows
Vista is to install the XP drivers (not recommended) or use an
emulation or virtualization program like DosBox/VirtualBox/VPC/Vmware/
[/quote]
BTW, here is another interesting link:
http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/vista.html
[quote]
On some systems, WP runs far too slowly to be usable unless
you install Tame and use Tame's graphics-based mode when
switching to full-screen WP.
[/quote]
http://www.tamedos.com/tame/tamehome.htm
Regards, Roman
Norman Perelson
"roman modic" <mod...@astral-it.com> wrote in message
news:f321j3$r8n$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
> What VGA chip your PC has?
> http://www.tabletquestions.com/windows-vista/55302-wordstar-4-compatibility-under-vista.html
> [quote]
> Vista doesn't support full-screen console unless you install XP (XDDM)
> video drivers instead of Vista video drivers (WDDM).
>
> The reason WDDM drivers do not support full-screen console is because
> they do not allow int10 access required to do this.
>
> The only way to get full-screen DOS programs working under Windows
> Vista is to install the XP drivers (not recommended) or use an
> emulation or virtualization program like DosBox/VirtualBox/VPC/Vmware/
> [/quote]
>
Thanks Roman, and Mike,
I would never have guessed that. The installation ran smoothly without any
warning messages. I did not install any drivers manually. The video is
built into the motherboard which is an Intel blkd946gzissl iselton dual core
lga775 fitted with an Intel Pentium 4 and 1GB RAM. It has an "Intel®
Graphics Media Accelerator 3000 (Intel® GMA 3000) onboard graphics
subsystem".
This is a fairly ecconomical set of components but the graphics resolution
capabilities far exceed the capabilities of the monitor and the human
operator. Speed of screen updates seems to be limited by the processor
rather than the display - but I may be wrong. It is going to be used for
accounting, not games.
It is not a fluke, I built a second machine with the same components and it
also works as I described. I still think that maybe Microsoft fixed the
problem - I may install a graphics accelerator card just to see what
happens.
Kind regards,
Norman
http://norman.shoso.com
N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
"Norman Perelson" <nor...@shoso.co.za> wrote in message
news:11799547...@vasbyt.isdsl.net...
...
> It is not a fluke, I built a second machine with the same
> components and it also works as I described.
You or your customer will receive a "hardware update" as soon as
Intel / Microsoft figure out how to implement the Vista display
interface. And full screen will disappear.
> I still think that maybe Microsoft fixed the problem -
> I may install a graphics accelerator card just to see
> what happens.
They didn't "fix the problem". They intentionally deprecated the
use of full screen. They have no intention of implementing DOS
programs full screen.
David A. Smith
BAM
wrote:
Norman, David is correct on this issue but you can install additional
bitmap fonts that can display your app in a full sized window.
Massimo Belgrano
BAM
wrote:
> Wich are the best font for full screen like?
>
> > Norman, David is correct on this issue but you can install additional
> > bitmap fonts that can display your app in a full sized window.
There are Terminal Fonts that work well for Display but the key is to
get them bigger than the 10 x 18 Windows Raster Font that is avaliable
under the properties.
roman modic
"Massimo Belgrano" <mbelgran...@deltain.com> wrote in message news:f34bd1$834$1...@tdi.cu.mi.it...
> Wich are the best font for full screen like?
>
>> Norman, David is correct on this issue but you can install additional
>> bitmap fonts that can display your app in a full sized window.
http://www.uwe-sieber.de/dosfonfe.shtml
Regards, Roman
Norman Perelson
"BAM" <4m...@pdq.net> wrote in message
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to be true. I found reference to the fact that preasure is being put on
Intel to make their on-board graphics drivers comply to MS standards. (see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Aero)
But being a sceptical optimist I went out and bought an Nvidia GeForce card,
plugged it into the Intel MB and sure enough, no more full-screen console.
I quickly removed the Nvidia card and installed it into my Ubuntu box which
can still run full-screen console even with the GeForce installed.
BAM, the trouble with the optimized font size is that you still have
artifacts of the Windows interface. I suppose one could mask out the status
bar and hide the mouse pointer. Another problem with the carefully selected
font is that it depends on a specific Windows screen resolution. It will be
a perpetual support problem.
I have no doubt that, if Microsoft doesn't invent a way to satisfy the
demand for a full-screen console, third-party developers will. In the mean
time Linux will be the winner.
Norman
N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
"Norman Perelson" <nor...@shoso.co.za> wrote in message
news:11800543...@vasbyt.isdsl.net...
...
> I have no doubt that, if Microsoft doesn't invent a way
> to satisfy the demand for a full-screen console, third-
> party developers will. In the mean time Linux will be
> the winner.
I am sorry for the predicament. Microsoft feels they have to
drive innovation, which includes (essentially) forcing people to
buy new hardware and software. The decision to kill full screen
was done intentionally, and probably seemed like a good idea...
what with large landscape displays.
Right on with Linux.
David A. Smith
Bozz
that despite the overall Vista keyboard settings, the command prompt uses
the US keyboard settings. It only affects a couple of keys, but is a bit of
a pain.
Ian Boys
DTE Systems
Stephen Quinn
I'm not on Vista but what codepage is in use for DOS??
You could load the codepage seperately for DOS sessions on previuos OSes (NT,W2K,XP) IIRC
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CYA
Steve
roman modic
"Bozz" <NotG...@BTInternet.com> wrote in message news:R-ydnRbFa4tijOzb...@bt.com...
IMHO in NT 6.0 it is necessary to manual load keyboard driver (KB16)
Check with "mem /p" if it is loaded ...
http://forum.programburada.com/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=1
http://www.vistax64.com/vista-general/67251-keyboard-layout-under-dos-vista.html
kb16 /?
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Configures a keyboard for a specific language.
KEYB [xx[,[yyy][,[drive:][path]filename]]] [/E] [/ID:nnn]
xx Specifies a two-letter keyboard code.
yyy Specifies the code page for the character set.
[drive:][path]filename Specifies the keyboard definition file.
/E Specifies that an enhanced keyboard is installed.
/ID:nnn Specifies the keyboard in use.
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BTW, you can notice that in help description KB16 is named as KEYB
Regards, Roman
roman modic
Norman Perelson
> Dear Norman Perelson:
>
> "Norman Perelson" <nor...@shoso.co.za> wrote in message
> news:11799547...@vasbyt.isdsl.net...
> ...
>> It is not a fluke, I built a second machine with the same
>> components and it also works as I described.
>
> You or your customer will receive a "hardware update" as soon as
> Intel / Microsoft figure out how to implement the Vista display
> interface. And full screen will disappear.
>
> use of full screen. They have no intention of implementing DOS
> programs full screen.
>
> David A. Smith
>
It happened like you said. My client's network of 4 Vista computers all 'broke'
with the latest automatic update.
Norman
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