Personal attacks by moderators in a moderated group are unprofessional
spinoza1111
This specific issue is being brought today to Apress' attention.
Colonel Harlan Sanders
I didn't think you could top your logical "proof" that "clear= true",
but this, brief though it is, is a classic.
It takes guts to be prepared to look like a pompous douchebag in the
service of a good April Fool's gag.
spinoza1111
> On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 23:28:17 -0700 (PDT), spinoza1111
>
> >http://groups.google.com.hk/group/comp.lang.c.moderated/msg/2cac44082...
>
> >This specific issue is being brought today to Apress' attention.
>
> I didn't think you could top your logical "proof" that "clear= true",
> but this, brief though it is, is a classic.
>
> It takes guts to be prepared to look like a pompous douchebag in the
> service of a good April Fool's gag.
Damn right, yokel. Literally true. I will non-anonymously look like a
pompous douchebags to pompous douchebags, who in general are
unqualified to tell who is and who is not a pompout douchebag.
Colonel Harlan Sanders
<spino...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Damn right, yokel. Literally true. I will non-anonymously look like a
>pompous douchebags to pompous douchebags, who in general are
>unqualified to tell who is and who is not a pompout douchebag.
Great. Push the issue with your publisher.
Look forward to seeing which author's contract they cancel.
Don't worry, there are plenty of vanity presses around that don't care
how much of an idiot you are, though they might draw the line at being
involved in your petty online feuds.
spinoza1111
> On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 01:44:44 -0700 (PDT),spinoza1111
>
>
> >Damn right, yokel. Literally true. I will non-anonymously look like a
> >pompous douchebags to pompous douchebags, who in general are
> >unqualified to tell who is and who is not a pompout douchebag.
>
> Great. Push the issue with your publisher.
> Look forward to seeing which author's contract they cancel.
The contract is already fulfilled. It cannot be canceled. The book is
on-sale, and I'm receiving royalties, same as Seebach. Sorry.
James Harris
> http://groups.google.com.hk/group/comp.lang.c.moderated/msg/2cac44082...
>
"Personal attacks"? (In your subject line.) What personal attacks? The
moderator made a small joke at your expense on 1st April. You'd do
better to roll with the joke and have a laugh at it. I suspect you
would gain more respect that way. Your repeatedly shouting that you've
taken such things to higher authorities reminds me of children at
school. So you've told the teacher on him. Well done.
Worse than that, trying to *injure* fellow contributors to these
newsgroups by talking to their publishers is plain spiteful (and
likely of more injury to you than them). Spite is another quality
associated with juveniles. Sorry to say it but IMO it's about time you
grew up and stopped peppering these newsgroups with defences to your
dignity and stuck to talking about C. I guessed from the subject line
that it was you who had started this thread. I can't think of any
other current contributor who behaves as you do.
The post in comp.lang.c.moderated, "Time for a handoff, I think," was
in no way a personal attack (and I hope the OP keeps it that way).
However, your response contained
* profanity
* accusation of the OP having some "psychological disorder"
* assertion that the OP is "incompetent"
In this and in other posts, ISTM that *you* are the one making
personal attacks. I think you therefore also win the award for
hypocrisy. In fact, given the provocation you have provided in the
past I think the OP in comp.lang.c.moderated was being remarkably
restrained.
If you are offended by any of the above please take time to think
about how you come across.
James
spinoza1111
> On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 01:44:44 -0700 (PDT),spinoza1111
>
>
> >Damn right, yokel. Literally true. I will non-anonymously look like a
> >pompous douchebags to pompous douchebags, who in general are
> >unqualified to tell who is and who is not a pompout douchebag.
>
> Great. Push the issue with your publisher.
> Look forward to seeing which author's contract they cancel.
>
> Don't worry, there are plenty of vanity presses around that don't care
> how much of an idiot you are, though they might draw the line at being
> involved in your petty online feuds.
From "You Are Not A Gadget: a Manifesto" by Jaron Lanier:
"'Troll' is a term for an anonymous person who is abusive in an online
environment. It would be nice to believe that there is only a minute
troll population living among us. But in fact, a great many people
have experienced being drawn into nasty exchanges online. Everyone who
has experienced that has been introduced to his or her inner troll."
"I have tried to be aware of the troll within myself. I notice that I
can suddenly become relieved when someone else in an online exchange
is getting pounded or humiliated, because that means I'm safe for the
moment. If someone else's video is being ridiculed on YouTube then
mine is temporarily protected. But that also means I'm complicit in a
mob dynamic. Have I ever planted a seed of mob-beckoning ridicule in
order to guide the mob to a target other than myself? Yes, I have,
though I shouldn't have. I observe others doing that very thing
routinely in anonymous online meeting places."
spinoza1111
> On 2 Apr, 07:28,spinoza1111<spinoza1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >http://groups.google.com.hk/group/comp.lang.c.moderated/msg/2cac44082...
>
> > This specific issue is being brought today to Apress' attention.
>
> "Personal attacks"? (In your subject line.) What personal attacks? The
> moderator made a small joke at your expense on 1st April. You'd do
> better to roll with the joke and have a laugh at it. I suspect you
> would gain more respect that way. Your repeatedly shouting that you've
> taken such things to higher authorities reminds me of children at
> school. So you've told the teacher on him. Well done.
I am no longer interested in the "respect" of ill-educated fools. I
propose that they leave this newsgroup, since it's for the civil
discussion of C by adults.
As to your simile: grow up. We AREN'T in kiddie school, and when I was
at Bell-Northern Research in Mountain View, I could see that it would
fail because a critical mass of employees acted as if BNR was a high
school. They stole equipment, had parties at which rapes occured, and
failed to deliver.
>
> Worse than that, trying to *injure* fellow contributors to these
> newsgroups by talking to their publishers is plain spiteful (and
> likely of more injury to you than them). Spite is another quality
> associated with juveniles. Sorry to say it but IMO it's about time you
> grew up and stopped peppering these newsgroups with defences to your
> dignity and stuck to talking about C. I guessed from the subject line
> that it was you who had started this thread. I can't think of any
> other current contributor who behaves as you do.
I may have started this thread, but as usual you don't do your
homework. The fact is that I approached Seebach collegially, offering
to discuss my concerns by email.
He deleted the email unread. He then proceeded to call me names, and
also to demonstrate in a series of incompetent programs that he's not
a qualified C programmer, not in the slightest.
And I will complain to his publisher, since Apress has also published
my book, and his bad behavior makes all Apress authors look bad.
>
> The post in comp.lang.c.moderated, "Time for a handoff, I think," was
> in no way a personal attack (and I hope the OP keeps it that way).
> However, your response contained
>
> * profanity
Well fuck me in the ass. I have already gone on record that it is much
worse to deliberately destroy Schildt's reputation, and cause him and
his family mental anguish, than to use "profanity". My generation
ended a war using "profanity".
> * accusation of the OP having some "psychological disorder"
Peter Seebach has stated that he has psychological disorders (ADHD and
autism). Ordinarily, I would ignore this. However, it's obscene for
him to implicitly claim tolerance for his numerous coding errors based
on this excuse while making wild accusations (in "C: the Complete
Nonsense") that 20 trivial errors are really 100s of errors and that
I'm incompetent, a moron and insane.
> * assertion that the OP is "incompetent"
This was based on my review of several of his programs, in which I
found newbie errors in each.
>
> In this and in other posts, ISTM that *you* are the one making
> personal attacks. I think you therefore also win the award for
> hypocrisy. In fact, given the provocation you have provided in the
> past I think the OP in comp.lang.c.moderated was being remarkably
> restrained.
No, Peter Seebach who is the moderator has a track record of trying to
advance a career as a "programmer" by doing things with null content:
* He probably wrote "C: the Complete Nonsense" to make it appear that
he was more qualified as a C programmer than Schildt, because as it
happens, he has no academic preparation in computer science and is an
incompetent programmer
* He paid his way into the C99 standards board and attended meetings
to add a line to his resume that he then used to add authority to
CTCN. At the meetings, he has said that he didn't contribute.
* He presents trivial and useless routines in this ng to establish
credibility, but these routines (notably a program which is really a
script for replacing one fixed pattern in a very specialized
environment, and which didn't work) are incompetent
>
> If you are offended by any of the above please take time to think
> about how you come across.
I know very well how I "come across". Part of the problem here is that
people are afraid to speak their truth, but want to come across as
something which they are not, and Peter Seebach is exhibit A.
>
> James
ImpalerCore
> On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 23:28:17 -0700 (PDT), spinoza1111
>
> >http://groups.google.com.hk/group/comp.lang.c.moderated/msg/2cac44082...
>
> >This specific issue is being brought today to Apress' attention.
>
> I didn't think you could top your logical "proof" that "clear= true",
> but this, brief though it is, is a classic.
>
> It takes guts to be prepared to look like a pompous douchebag in the
> service of a good April Fool's gag.
I was kinda hoping that spinoza would fake being nice, courteous, and
gracious without appearing satirical to Seebach on April 1st, just to
see if he could fake it enough to fool some people that he'd changed
his ways.
Oh well, time to go back to your regularly scheduled flame wars.
Bill Reid
You guys are missing a new instant classic:
"My generation ended a war using "profanity"."
-- "SpinNosey", 4/2/2010
Gives a whole new meaning to the term "F-bomb"...but
I think he should have also acknowledged the critical
tactical advantage of ethnic slurs, as well...
And since there's only one war I can think of that
was fought by his "generation", I guess he's referring
to soldiers screaming "GODDAMN CHARLIE!!!" as they
pulled out of Vietnam...
---
William Ernest Reid
Seebs
> The post in comp.lang.c.moderated, "Time for a handoff, I think," was
> in no way a personal attack (and I hope the OP keeps it that way).
Using someone's comments as a joke is sort of an implicit attack, because
it implies that they're laughable.
The ideal solution, if one does not want to have one's statements mocked,
is not to say things that are laughable.
-s
--
Copyright 2010, all wrongs reversed. Peter Seebach / usenet...@seebs.net
http://www.seebs.net/log/ <-- lawsuits, religion, and funny pictures
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology) <-- get educated!
Julienne Walker
> http://groups.google.com.hk/group/comp.lang.c.moderated/msg/2cac44082...
>
Honestly, I'm shocked he didn't post that public apology you've been
demanding and then make it clear it was an April Fools joke the day
after. That would have been a hoot.
Seebs
> Honestly, I'm shocked he didn't post that public apology you've been
> demanding and then make it clear it was an April Fools joke the day
> after. That would have been a hoot.
Meh, that's MUCH funnier.
The thing about reporting me to Apress is eerily familiar, just because
the kook who's been flooding soc.religion.quaker for the last decade
or so does similar things; he regularly reports people to various churches
of which they are not members.
Dann Corbit
nos...@seebs.net says...
>
> On 2010-04-02, James Harris <james.h...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > The post in comp.lang.c.moderated, "Time for a handoff, I think," was
> > in no way a personal attack (and I hope the OP keeps it that way).
>
> Using someone's comments as a joke is sort of an implicit attack, because
> it implies that they're laughable.
>
> The ideal solution, if one does not want to have one's statements mocked,
> is not to say things that are laughable.
http://ahistoricality.blogspot.com/2005/12/just-quote-em.html
James Harris
...
> The thing about reporting me to Apress is eerily familiar, just because
> the kook who's been flooding soc.religion.quaker for the last decade
> or so does similar things; he regularly reports people to various churches
> of which they are not members.
There are some weird people out there. I'd love to see what Apress
make of his messages!
James
Seebs
> make of his messages!
I confess to some idle curiousity myself. Not enough to waste their time
asking, or anything, but I'm sort of fascinated by watching the process where
people get contacted by someone and gradually figure out that the person
they're talking to is apparently-insane.
Ian Collins
>
>> The thing about reporting me to Apress is eerily familiar, just because
>> the kook who's been flooding soc.religion.quaker for the last decade
>> or so does similar things; he regularly reports people to various churches
>> of which they are not members.
>
> There are some weird people out there. I'd love to see what Apress
> make of his messages!
They'll probably think the April fool's was delayed in the mail.
--
Ian Collins
Seebs
> They'll probably think the April fool's was delayed in the mail.
Assuming he ever actually sends them (normally people don't, but apparently
the one haunting srq actually got so far as being told by a local Friends
Meeting that, no, they would not be taking steps to prevent other people
from disagreeing with him on the internet), it's quite likely that the
first one was taken seriously long enough for people to do research, and that
now it's probably a regular breakroom activity to check up on latest
developments. I posted a link to the "implementing strstr" thread for my
coworkers because I figured it would break up an otherwise dull afternoon.
As to whether my behavior here is "professional", well, not in general,
no. I'm not here as a professional, I'm here as a hobbyist who enjoys both
discussion, and C, and occasionally even discussion of C. However, if anyone
wants to pay me to behave professionally here, I'm quite willing to talk
about hourly rates. :)
Walter Banks
Seebs wrote:
> I confess to some idle curiousity myself. Not enough to waste their time
> asking, or anything, but I'm sort of fascinated by watching the process where
> people get contacted by someone and gradually figure out that the person
> they're talking to is apparently-insane.
Part of my life was spent in the publishing industry. Periodically letters
like that come in. Invariably the sender has a personal interest or
gain trying to leverage the publishing house. The better ones make
it to editorial meetings. It would be very rare for any of them to be
acted on, there is no gain for the publishing house to do anything.
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spinoza1111
No, it wasn't funny, Julienne. It's part of a campaign of personal
destruction. So that's funny? How about blonde jokes? Women driver
jokes?
spinoza1111
> On 2010-04-02, Julienne Walker <happyfro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Honestly, I'm shocked he didn't post that public apology you've been
> > demanding and then make it clear it was an April Fools joke the day
> > after. That would have been a hoot.
>
> Meh, that's MUCH funnier.
>
> The thing about reporting me to Apress is eerily familiar, just because
> the kook who's been flooding soc.religion.quaker for the last decade
> or so does similar things; he regularly reports people to various churches
> of which they are not members.
Your powerlessness causes you to think that someone who complains to a
corporation must be a kook, because you never complain about ill-
treatment to an institution, do you. Therefore, you reason that anyone
does so lives in a garbage can. Houston, you have a problem. My
complaint was acknowledged by Paul Manning, who personally saw to it
that my back royalties for "Build Your Own .Net Language and Compiler"
were paid last year, and has been forwarded to Apress management.
Don't force me to have to go to Wind River next. Instead, send me
email so that we can discuss your behavior (and if you like mine)
offline, and spare people a lot of extra posts.
>
> -s
> --
> Copyright 2010, all wrongs reversed. Peter Seebach / usenet-nos...@seebs.nethttp://www.seebs.net/log/<-- lawsuits, religion, and funny pictureshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology) <-- get educated!
spinoza1111
I'm one of their authors, so they either reason that I've gone crazy
or are taking action. The rule in corporations is "don't make no
waves", but I don't have to worry about my Apress contract, since I
completed the book and I'm receiving royalties. I have told Paul
Manning that he will see posts from me with what's inaccurately called
"profanity" as part of a steadily escalating situation that was caused
by Seebach's refusal to discuss my initial proposal by email, that he
simply withdraw "C: the Complete Nonsense".
It's true that Apress, not wishing to be beholden to one or two "star"
authors, has got quite a collection of people as authors, some of whom
are strange; one dedicated his book to Jesus. The only question is
"strange in what way", and here, we have evidence that while I'm
"strange", Peter is bad strange. He's not learned his trade and uses
back-stabbing and the politics of personal destruction to cover up
this fact.
>
> James
spinoza1111
> On 2010-04-02, James Harris <james.harri...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > There are some weird people out there. I'd love to see what Apress
> > make of his messages!
>
> I confess to some idle curiousity myself. Not enough to waste their time
> asking, or anything, but I'm sort of fascinated by watching the process where
> people get contacted by someone and gradually figure out that the person
> they're talking to is apparently-insane.
Unfortunately, Peter, I contacted Dan Appleman in Oct 2001 with a
praising letter for one of his books, and he unexpectedly replied,
describing an Apress book he'd had in mind but didn't want to write: a
book about developing compilers for .Net. I met him in person in Feb
2002 and showed him the prototype. Initially I was going to have a co-
author but this person bailed, either because he had other
committments or he thought I was strange.
I financed my attendance at VSLive to meet Dan by volunteering to help
Fawcette in conference set up tasks such as assembling guest packs.
The girls I worked with heard me talking about culture and technology
with an unemployed programmer who was doing the same, and they
introduced me to a Fawcette editor who was a widely-read and therefore
somewhat strange science fiction author. He had me write several
articles for Fawcette. The Fawcette unpaid gofer job was the first
nonprogramming job I'd had in thirty years. I liked it.
I met the other principal of Apress at the time, and I guess I wasn't
too strange, since we agreed on a contract.
Strangely, I decided to take a sabbatical at this point to strangely
write my book while working for peanuts in software marketing in San
Francisco because I wanted to write a full, if interpretive, compiler
as part of the book, and strangely, I lived in budget San Francisco
hotels in which I strangely had to move every three weeks since by SF
law if I stayed I would be covered by the eviction statute.
When you're strange
Faces come out of the rain
When you're strange
No one remembers your name
When you're strange
When you're strange
Strangely I had to cash my Apress advances at currency exchanges,
explaining that I was an "author", and they'd look at me funny and
call Apress, and Apress would strangely confirm this.
People are strange when you're a stranger
Faces look ugly when you're alone
Women seem wicked when you're unwanted
Streets are uneven when you're down
Strangely, I sat down one morning in my budget hotel to write the case
statement of the interpreter...and dumped a hot Starbucks all over the
laptop. I had to request the advance be advanced by a week or so to
get my Vaio out of the pawnshop, and write one tool on an old Windows
95 laptop using legacy Visual Basic.
Strangely, Dan Appleman (who's unusually kind and decent compared to
most computer thugs) said at this point, "we're rooting for you Ed!".
Dan, like Herb Schildt, has been assaulted online (on Slashdot)
because infants who won't learn Microsoft think they're cute, but Dan,
like Herb and unlike me, has chosen not to reply.
Strangely, I then received a job offer to work in software in China
and strangely I finished the book, which strangely sold well,
according to Gary Cornell, being at times in the top ten compiler
books at Amazon. I need to make a second edition based on C Sharp but
haven't had the time.
When you're strange
Faces come out of the rain
When you're strange
No one remembers your name
When you're strange
When you're strange
When you're strange
I do not frankly know whether Apress would publish me again. There has
been strangeness, and *sturm undt drang*. But I know that if I'd sold
at best seller levels, which is unlikely for a book on compilers, they
would have overlooked the strangeness, because you know, it's all
about money.
>
> -s
> --
spinoza1111
>
> > They'll probably think the April fool's was delayed in the mail.
>
> Assuming he ever actually sends them (normally people don't, but apparently
> the one haunting srq actually got so far as being told by a local Friends
> Meeting that, no, they would not be taking steps to prevent other people
> from disagreeing with him on the internet), it's quite likely that the
> first one was taken seriously long enough for people to do research, and that
> now it's probably a regular breakroom activity to check up on latest
> developments. I posted a link to the "implementing strstr" thread for my
> coworkers because I figured it would break up an otherwise dull afternoon.
>
> As to whether my behavior here is "professional", well, not in general,
> no. I'm not here as a professional, I'm here as a hobbyist who enjoys both
> discussion, and C, and occasionally even discussion of C. However, if anyone
> wants to pay me to behave professionally here, I'm quite willing to talk
> about hourly rates. :)
You're a piece of shit, Peter.
(You said we don't have to be professional. OK.)
Here, you retail stories about OTHER PEOPLE to make your point. This
isn't even the logical fallacy of reasoning by false analogy.
>
> -s
> --
spinoza1111
> Seebs wrote:
> > I confess to some idle curiousity myself. Not enough to waste their time
> > asking, or anything, but I'm sort of fascinated by watching the process where
> > people get contacted by someone and gradually figure out that the person
> > they're talking to is apparently-insane.
>
> Part of my life was spent in the publishing industry. Periodically letters
> like that come in. Invariably the sender has a personal interest or
> gain trying to leverage the publishing house. The better ones make
> it to editorial meetings. It would be very rare for any of them to be
> acted on, there is no gain for the publishing house to do anything.
People are strange, Walter: that thought meme pervades. But Jim
Morrisson, especially after being safely dead, is money, and you like
money.
"I like money." - Idiocracy
"I notice that I can suddenly become relieved when someone else in an
online exchange is getting pounded or humiliated, because that means
I'm safe for the moment."
- Jaron Lanier, YOU ARE NOT A GADGET: a Manifesto
I think I'm accomplishing something here. Since I'm sixty years old,
don't give a fuck, and I'm out of programming and in a second career
which I love, I'm perfectly happy to be the lightning rod here for
criticism in order to spare kids and Chinese posters who come in here
similar abuse. I'm delighted in fact to humiliate real frauds like
Peter Seebach. It's fun.
My father met a man who'd served as a Nisei soldier for the 442nd
Regimental Combat Team in WWII under my uncle. He said that my uncle
was far taller than the Nisei men, and that they were pinned down by a
German machine gun nest in Italy.
As the officer, it was my uncle's duty to stand up and say, follow me.
So he did (back then, people didn't as Peter does make so many
excuses). But he was taller than the men and while they were able to
crouch under the machine gun's angle of fire he was not and he was
killed.
Not one of us, unless I'm mistaken, can pretend to this heroism, but
it can be a model.
So bring it on.
>
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Colonel Harlan Sanders
<spino...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Apr 2, 6:22 pm, Colonel Harlan Sanders <Har...@kfc.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 01:44:44 -0700 (PDT),spinoza1111
>>
>> <spinoza1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Damn right, yokel. Literally true. I will non-anonymously look like a
>> >pompous douchebags to pompous douchebags, who in general are
>> >unqualified to tell who is and who is not a pompout douchebag.
>>
>> Great. Push the issue with your publisher.
>> Look forward to seeing which author's contract they cancel.
>
>The contract is already fulfilled. It cannot be canceled. The book is
>on-sale, and I'm receiving royalties, same as Seebach. Sorry.
Idiot. Didn't you bother to read your contract?
Publishers draft the contracts, so they make it easy for them to
terminate whenever they want to.
Normally all they have to do is send you a letter, give you a final
accounting, offer any remaining stock to you to buy, then it's all
over, you're out of print.
Let's have a look:
Build Your Own .NET Language and Compiler (Paperback)
~ Edward G. Nilges (Author)
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #1,136,016
Referring to http://www.rampant-books.com/mgt_amazon_sales_rank.htm
we see this translates to less than 3 copies per 500 days. So maybe
two a year, in a good year. I hope you're declaring your royalties.
The idea of the "long tail" is that online sales let such marginal
books to be marketed because Amazon does all the fulfillment and the
paperwork is automated. However, if you start using up the publisher's
management time with this douchebaggery, you are costing them far more
than you could possibly earn with any future sales. A sensible
publisher will cut you loose pretty quickly. If they're more
tolerant, they will just "acknowledge your concerns" and file your
missives, and that will be the end of it. In either case, you can
forget any ideas of submitting new book proposals.
And "same as Seebach"? Let's see:
Beginning Portable Shell Scripting: From Novice to Professional
~ Peter Seebach (Author)
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #279,497
That translates to one copy every week or so. So if you make it a
choice of which author to support, as you seem determined to, it's
pretty obvious who that will be.
So go for it!
You'll never live up to your uncounted threats of legal action, ass
kicking, etc., etc., but just maybe you can really shoot yourself in
the foot this time.
spinoza1111
> On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 04:46:32 -0700 (PDT),spinoza1111
>
> <spinoza1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Apr 2, 6:22 pm, Colonel Harlan Sanders <Har...@kfc.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 01:44:44 -0700 (PDT),spinoza1111
>
> >> <spinoza1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> >Damn right, yokel. Literally true. I will non-anonymously look like a
> >> >pompous douchebags to pompous douchebags, who in general are
> >> >unqualified to tell who is and who is not a pompout douchebag.
>
> >> Great. Push the issue with your publisher.
> >> Look forward to seeing which author's contract they cancel.
>
> >The contract is already fulfilled. It cannot be canceled. The book is
> >on-sale, and I'm receiving royalties, same as Seebach. Sorry.
>
> Idiot. Didn't you bother to read your contract?
>
> Publishers draft the contracts, so they make it easy for them to
> terminate whenever they want to.
>
> Normally all they have to do is send you a letter, give you a final
> accounting, offer any remaining stock to you to buy, then it's all
> over, you're out of print.
>
> Let's have a look:
> Build Your Own .NET Language and Compiler (Paperback)
> ~ Edward G. Nilges (Author)
> Amazon.com Sales Rank: #1,136,016
>
> we see this translates to less than 3 copies per 500 days. So maybe
> two a year, in a good year. I hope you're declaring your royalties.
You've been misled, Lanier-Troll. Those figures are updated hourly,
and Amazon charges for more accurate figures. Today, the sales have
declined because the software, although it still works, is written for
an older version of .Net. However, whenever I checked, at random
times, the sales figures from 2004 through 2009, they never went below
the 500000th position.
Nobody who publishes one computer book, especially in a specialty,
expects it to be a best seller, but at various times as late as 2009,
this book has ranked on the hourly basis in the top ten books on
compilers sold by Amazon. The marketing manager from Apress also
assured me that its sales were as expected for a compiler book.
Five years of solid sales is actually good for a computer book about a
specific issue on a specific platform. The reason is that I code
without taking advantage of temporary release features, and discuss
computer science and not programming.
But because you're a troll as defined by Jaron Lanier, a person who
attacks people anonymously, nothing I say to you will change your
mind. These responses are mainly for others.
>
> The idea of the "long tail" is that online sales let such marginal
> books to be marketed because Amazon does all the fulfillment and the
> paperwork is automated. However, if you start using up the publisher's
> management time with this douchebaggery, you are costing them far more
> than you could possibly earn with any future sales. A sensible
> publisher will cut you loose pretty quickly. If they're more
> tolerant, they will just "acknowledge your concerns" and file your
> missives, and that will be the end of it. In either case, you can
> forget any ideas of submitting new book proposals.
You really are a fool, because canceling the contract would not
prevent me from involving Apress using a subpoena, or sending letters
trying to resolve this out of court. If against its own interests,
Apress canceled the contract, I would lose small royalties which for
an expat are taxed at 30%. Big deal.
>
> And "same as Seebach"? Let's see:
>
> Beginning Portable Shell Scripting: From Novice to Professional
> ~ Peter Seebach (Author)
> Amazon.com Sales Rank: #279,497
In the first year of my sales, my rank was 4000, frequently, when I
checked. In the second year it was 250000. Again, you're a fool who
doesn't know how these numbers work.
The book has also been selected by several university and public
libraries worldwide, which frankly is more important to me than sales
figures.
>
> That translates to one copy every week or so. So if you make it a
> choice of which author to support, as you seem determined to, it's
> pretty obvious who that will be.
As I have already said, there would be no reason for them to stop
selling my book, since it wouldn't stop the issue with Seebach. They'd
lose revenue.
I received an advance of 5000.00 for my book, and this advance has
been fully repaid.
Since you appear to me to be a Costco greeter or similar minimum wage
character, you're afraid to complain at your own job. But we're not
all Costco greeters or little shop clerks.
Colonel Harlan Sanders
<spino...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Apr 3, 3:37 pm, Colonel Harlan Sanders <Har...@kfc.com> wrote:
>> Let's have a look:
>> Build Your Own .NET Language and Compiler (Paperback)
>> ~ Edward G. Nilges (Author)
>> Amazon.com Sales Rank: #1,136,016
>>
>> Referring tohttp://www.rampant-books.com/mgt_amazon_sales_rank.htm
>> we see this translates to less than 3 copies per 500 days. So maybe
>> two a year, in a good year. I hope you're declaring your royalties.
>
>You've been misled, Lanier-Troll. Those figures are updated hourly,
>and Amazon charges for more accurate figures. Today, the sales have
>declined because the software, although it still works, is written for
>an older version of .Net. However, whenever I checked, at random
>times, the sales figures from 2004 through 2009, they never went below
>the 500000th position.
Bestsellers are updated hourly. Not books that sell a few copies a
year.
The figires I cited are current.
>Nobody who publishes one computer book, especially in a specialty,
>expects it to be a best seller, but at various times as late as 2009,
>this book has ranked on the hourly basis in the top ten books on
>compilers sold by Amazon. The marketing manager from Apress also
>assured me that its sales were as expected for a compiler book.
>
>Five years of solid sales is actually good for a computer book about a
>specific issue on a specific platform. The reason is that I code
>without taking advantage of temporary release features, and discuss
>computer science and not programming.
How nice. You're still not selling more than two or three copies a
year, NOW
>But because you're a troll as defined by Jaron Lanier, a person who
>attacks people anonymously, nothing I say to you will change your
>mind. These responses are mainly for others.
How intersting, you've gone from calling anyone who used the word
"troll" a Nazi to using it yourself, now that you've discovered a
definition that you can twist to exclude yourself.
>>
>> The idea of the "long tail" is that online sales let such marginal
>> books to be marketed because Amazon does all the fulfillment and the
>> paperwork is automated. However, if you start using up the publisher's
>> management time with this douchebaggery, you are costing them far more
>> than you could possibly earn with any future sales. A sensible
>> publisher will cut you loose pretty quickly. If they're more
>> tolerant, they will just "acknowledge your concerns" and file your
>> missives, and that will be the end of it. In either case, you can
>> forget any ideas of submitting new book proposals.
>
>You really are a fool, because canceling the contract would not
>prevent me from involving Apress using a subpoena, or sending letters
>trying to resolve this out of court. If against its own interests,
>Apress canceled the contract, I would lose small royalties which for
>an expat are taxed at 30%. Big deal.
If they cncelled the contract, they would lose about $5 a year in
profits, and be able to tell you to fuck off. Cheap at twice the
price.
Colonel Harlan Sanders
A couple more details:
On Sat, 3 Apr 2010 04:23:37 -0700 (PDT), spinoza1111
<spino...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>You really are a fool, because canceling the contract would not
>prevent me from involving Apress using a subpoena, or sending letters
>trying to resolve this out of court.
Oh wonderful, now you're threatening to subpoena your own publisher
because they won't discipline another author over a Usenet post.
Chortle.
If they ever happen to look at this little forum (fortunately for you,
unlikely), you will know, because you'll shortly after receive a
final statement and notice that your book is now officially out of
print.
>If against its own interests,
>Apress canceled the contract, I would lose small royalties which for
>an expat are taxed at 30%. Big deal.
That was my point. The book's future earning are negligible. You have
no leverage. Sorry, should have realized that irony involving yourself
was beyond you. Which of course is what triggered this whole thread,
you're unable to take a joke, if you recognize it at all you think
it's a deadly affront.
Julienne Walker
> On Apr 3, 3:18 am, Julienne Walker <happyfro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 2, 2:28 am,spinoza1111<spinoza1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > >http://groups.google.com.hk/group/comp.lang.c.moderated/msg/2cac44082...
>
> > > This specific issue is being brought today to Apress' attention.
>
> > Honestly, I'm shocked he didn't post that public apology you've been
> > demanding and then make it clear it was an April Fools joke the day
> > after. That would have been a hoot.
>
> No, it wasn't funny, Julienne.
Humor is relative, Edward. You don't think it's funny because the joke
is on you and your ego can't handle it.
> It's part of a campaign of personal destruction.
Just because you say something doesn't make it true. Further, a
campaign of personal destruction isn't exactly the most effective
response to a (perceived) campaign of personal destruction. It's
generally been proven throughout history that an eye for an eye leaves
everyone blind. If you spent more time applying your education than
boasting about it, you'd probably see that your hypocrisy is
absolutely *not* persuasive.
At this point just about everyone seems to treat you as the local
nutter and won't take you seriously even when you make attempts to
focus strictly on C.
> So that's funny? How about blonde jokes? Women driver jokes?
If they're good jokes, yes. I'm not so full of myself that I can't
appreciate a joke at my expense.
Seebs
> On Sat, 3 Apr 2010 04:23:37 -0700 (PDT), spinoza1111
><spino...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>You really are a fool, because canceling the contract would not
>>prevent me from involving Apress using a subpoena, or sending letters
>>trying to resolve this out of court.
> Oh wonderful, now you're threatening to subpoena your own publisher
> because they won't discipline another author over a Usenet post.
It's hard to imagine how Apress could be *legitimately* involved, as they're
not in any way a party to this.
But wait! Could it be that there's a moderately common mental disorder
which often results in people feeling that anyone and anything which could
be considered an "authority" is obliged to step in and act on their behalf
whenever people are not treating them precisely as they want to be treated?
> If they ever happen to look at this little forum (fortunately for you,
> unlikely), you will know, because you'll shortly after receive a
> final statement and notice that your book is now officially out of
> print.
I don't know that they'd bother. If he actually did something that cost
them money, they might think about it, otherwise, why would they expend
effort changing the current circumstances?
> That was my point. The book's future earning are negligible. You have
> no leverage. Sorry, should have realized that irony involving yourself
> was beyond you. Which of course is what triggered this whole thread,
> you're unable to take a joke, if you recognize it at all you think
> it's a deadly affront.
Uh-huh.
Reminds me of someone I once saw spend two and a half years (and still
counting) flooding a message board with demands that people acknowledge that
it was "highly aggressive" and "deeply inappropriate" for someone who happens
to be one of the message board owners to respond to something he said with
"don't be silly".
-s
--
Seebs
> On Apr 3, 1:01 am, spinoza1111 <spinoza1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> No, it wasn't funny, Julienne.
> Humor is relative, Edward. You don't think it's funny because the joke
> is on you and your ego can't handle it.
Furthermore, the only reason it can be offensive, or funny, or indeed
anything but pathetic, is because everyone involved *including Nilges*
recognizes that the accusations referred to were simply laughable.
>> It's part of a campaign of personal destruction.
> Just because you say something doesn't make it true.
I will state for the record that I have no interest at all in trying
to "destroy" Nilges, or undermine his credibility, or anything else. What
I would like most to see would be for him to become a respected and
well-regarded contributor. This does, however, appear to require either
that a whole lot of people get very thoroughly drugged, or that he stop
talking nonsense.
> Further, a
> campaign of personal destruction isn't exactly the most effective
> response to a (perceived) campaign of personal destruction.
Yeah, but he's not actually engaging in a campaign of personal destruction.
He's engaging in a number of individual comments, each of which is (in his
mind) fully justified by the fact that he is irritated or inconvenienced by
other people, and none of which he has any kind of commitment to. Classic
NPD; random floods of invective and obscenities, but if you become useful
to him, he instantly turns to all sweetness and light, and has *no idea at
all* why you're distrustful. Whereupon he realizes that you're biased against
him and attacks you viciously. Again, without any kind of malice or
consideration.
His behavior is perfectly reasonable once you accept that he has no real
functioning model of other people's state.
> At this point just about everyone seems to treat you as the local
> nutter and won't take you seriously even when you make attempts to
> focus strictly on C.
I try to take the strictly-on-C stuff more seriously, but that's
substantially hampered by his policy of declaring anything that people
he dislikes have advocated to be so horrible that he has to do the opposite.
>> So that's funny? How about blonde jokes? Women driver jokes?
> If they're good jokes, yes. I'm not so full of myself that I can't
> appreciate a joke at my expense.
Yeah. Healthy adults enjoy the humor and regard the fact that it's there for
comedic value as being sufficient to make the question of whether it might
otherwise be insulting pretty much irrelevant.
How many aspies does it take to change a lightbulb?
One, unless it's hard to reach in which case you need another
to hold the ladder steady, because safety is important.
If none of my friends made fun of my various mental quirks on a given
calendar day, I'd be worried that something was wrong. They're funny.
A couple of my friends used to, whenever we were all out waiting for
something, while away the idle minutes by trying to find mathematics or
computer science questions which would result in me ceasing to respond
to external events for a few seconds.
Best example: You know the thing where summing the digits of a
number can tell you whether it's a multiple of 3 or 9? How does
that work in bases other than base 10? (I freeze up for 10 seconds
or so, not tracking movement if people wave hands in front of me,
etc.) "N-1 and its factors." I then spent the next hour and a half
trying to explain why this was obvious.
spinoza1111
> On 2010-04-03, Julienne Walker <happyfro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 3, 1:01 am, spinoza1111 <spinoza1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> No, it wasn't funny, Julienne.
> > Humor is relative, Edward. You don't think it's funny because the joke
> > is on you and your ego can't handle it.
>
> Furthermore, the only reason it can be offensive, or funny, or indeed
> anything but pathetic, is because everyone involved *including Nilges*
> recognizes that the accusations referred to were simply laughable.
Actually, they are not. You have proven your incompetence as a
programmer these past two months and you have no academic
qualifications in computer science.
>
> >> It's part of a campaign of personal destruction.
> > Just because you say something doesn't make it true.
>
> I will state for the record that I have no interest at all in trying
> to "destroy" Nilges, or undermine his credibility, or anything else. What
> I would like most to see would be for him to become a respected and
> well-regarded contributor. This does, however, appear to require either
> that a whole lot of people get very thoroughly drugged, or that he stop
> talking nonsense.
>
The viciousness is ill concealed by the language, JERK.
> > Further, a
> > campaign of personal destruction isn't exactly the most effective
> > response to a (perceived) campaign of personal destruction.
>
> Yeah, but he's not actually engaging in a campaign of personal destruction.
> He's engaging in a number of individual comments, each of which is (in his
> mind) fully justified by the fact that he is irritated or inconvenienced by
> other people, and none of which he has any kind of commitment to. Classic
> NPD; random floods of invective and obscenities, but if you become useful
> to him, he instantly turns to all sweetness and light, and has *no idea at
> all* why you're distrustful. Whereupon he realizes that you're biased against
> him and attacks you viciously. Again, without any kind of malice or
> consideration.
You don't know what you're talking about. It is you, by your own
admission, who's almost dysfunctional, and a detailed analysis of "C:
the Complete Nonsense" shows that it's truly random, and you've
conveniently told us why: you have ADHD. CTCN contains absurd and
overblown claims not backed up by the twenty feeble errata you have
provided, and exhibits grandiose thinking when you pretend it's more
than errata from a minor tech review. Psychological disorder has to
issue in dysfunctionality but even if I have NPD, I am, unlike you, in
control of my life. Your life is defined by employers.
spinoza1111
> On Apr 3, 1:01 am, spinoza1111 <spinoza1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 3, 3:18 am, Julienne Walker <happyfro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 2, 2:28 am,spinoza1111<spinoza1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > >http://groups.google.com.hk/group/comp.lang.c.moderated/msg/2cac44082...
>
> > > > This specific issue is being brought today to Apress' attention.
>
> > > Honestly, I'm shocked he didn't post that public apology you've been
> > > demanding and then make it clear it was an April Fools joke the day
> > > after. That would have been a hoot.
>
> > No, it wasn't funny, Julienne.
>
> Humor is relative, Edward. You don't think it's funny because the joke
> is on you and your ego can't handle it.
It wasn't a very good joke at all, and don't start talking about the
male ego, I don't want to here ravings from females who think they
know it.
>
> > It's part of a campaign of personal destruction.
>
> Just because you say something doesn't make it true. Further, a
No. But when I cite, when I test code before releasing it (unlike Mr.
Off By One), when I produce arguments that seem "verbose" only to
people who are by their own admission attention disordered and unable
to read such taxing material...who here haven't read it...there's a
good reason to call what I say true. Missy, you're a mob member who is
as a female desparately afraid of the sort of targeting of women that
goes on here, and you have joined the mob out of fear.
> campaign of personal destruction isn't exactly the most effective
I am waging no such thing. In fact, I have stated, clearly, my
condition for ending this "campaign", and it's not Peter's
"destruction" (which would only in this context be his exit from this
ng), it's that he apologize for the harm he has done to Schildt, and
remove "C: the Complete Nonsense". Whereas his victory condition would
be for me to agree that I'm an "insane moron". Ain't gonna happen, and
I'm gonna win.
The case of Kathy Sierra (cf. Jaron Lanier's book on this) shows that
there is no limit to malice when people, including such dulcet-
speaking creatures like you, join a cybernetic (or office) mob.
> response to a (perceived) campaign of personal destruction. It's
> generally been proven throughout history that an eye for an eye leaves
It's also been accepted throughout history that people have the right
of self-defense.
> everyone blind. If you spent more time applying your education than
> boasting about it, you'd probably see that your hypocrisy is
To USE my fucking education is not to BOAST about it, nor is necessary
establishment of credibility. The problem here is that people think
that the "necessary establishment of credibility" is "boasting", but
they boast about their ignorance and failure whilst ascribing it to
others.
> absolutely *not* persuasive.
>
> At this point just about everyone seems to treat you as the local
> nutter and won't take you seriously even when you make attempts to
> focus strictly on C.
I.don't.care. You're talking about a small N < 10 or so group of
people who've formed a cybernetic mob, and who are for the most part
half-educated losers. I propose to clear you out or tone you down so
that people like Schildt and others with something to contribute can
post here. I propose to clear you out or tone you down so that Chinese
posters, who post from mainland China at personal risk, aren't
targeted here with racist slurs about English from people who can't
write English.
>
> > So that's funny? How about blonde jokes? Women driver jokes?
>
> If they're good jokes, yes. I'm not so full of myself that I can't
> appreciate a joke at my expense.
We are beyond joking, kiddo. I think McGraw Hill and Schildt should
sue Seebach.
Julienne Walker
> On Apr 3, 9:44 pm, Julienne Walker <happyfro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
<snip the usual time vampire of a post from a self important asshole>
> > > So that's funny? How about blonde jokes? Women driver jokes?
>
> > If they're good jokes, yes. I'm not so full of myself that I can't
> > appreciate a joke at my expense.
>
> We are beyond joking, kiddo. I think McGraw Hill and Schildt should
> sue Seebach.
*I* think you should butt out of their business. It's not your place
to provide unsolicited "self-defense" for others, and I strongly doubt
Schildt would approve of how you're doing it. Fortunately, he has no
need to worry about your dragging his good name through the mud by
bringing up old embarrassments. The chances of anyone who might
escalate the damage reading your posts (and blogs) are vanishingly
small.
Seebs
> to provide unsolicited "self-defense" for others, and I strongly doubt
> Schildt would approve of how you're doing it.
Nilges has in the past suggested that Schildt approves, though I have
no idea how much weight to place on that.
> Fortunately, he has no
> need to worry about your dragging his good name through the mud by
> bringing up old embarrassments. The chances of anyone who might
> escalate the damage reading your posts (and blogs) are vanishingly
> small.
I suspect that people do indeed read them sometimes -- I myself had
been underestimating how famous Nilges was among people who have been
reading Usenet for a long time. However, I think the chances of anyone
*taking them seriously* are indeed vanishingly small.
I don't imagine that there's any chance of Schildt or McGraw-Hill suing
me over that page.
-s
--
Richard Harter
wrote:
>Best example: You know the thing where summing the digits of a
>number can tell you whether it's a multiple of 3 or 9? How does
>that work in bases other than base 10? (I freeze up for 10 seconds
>or so, not tracking movement if people wave hands in front of me,
>etc.) "N-1 and its factors." I then spent the next hour and a half
>trying to explain why this was obvious.
But, but, but ... Doesn't one person immediately say N=1 modulo
N-1 and everyone else says, of course, how obvious?
Richard Harter, c...@tiac.net
http://home.tiac.net/~cri, http://www.varinoma.com
It's not much to ask of the universe that it be fair;
it's not much to ask but it just doesn't happen.
Seebs
> On 03 Apr 2010 17:50:06 GMT, Seebs <usenet...@seebs.net>
> wrote:
>>Best example: You know the thing where summing the digits of a
>>number can tell you whether it's a multiple of 3 or 9? How does
>>that work in bases other than base 10? (I freeze up for 10 seconds
>>or so, not tracking movement if people wave hands in front of me,
>>etc.) "N-1 and its factors." I then spent the next hour and a half
>>trying to explain why this was obvious.
> But, but, but ... Doesn't one person immediately say N=1 modulo
> N-1 and everyone else says, of course, how obvious?
Heh. Basically, yes, but it takes a while to get there.
Eric Sosman
> [...]
> Best example: You know the thing where summing the digits of a
> number can tell you whether it's a multiple of 3 or 9? How does
> that work in bases other than base 10? (I freeze up for 10 seconds
> or so, not tracking movement if people wave hands in front of me,
> etc.) "N-1 and its factors." I then spent the next hour and a half
> trying to explain why this was obvious.
Neat! I just tried this out in binary (N==2), and it works!
--
Eric Sosman
eso...@ieee-dot-org.invalid
Dr Malcolm McLean
C?
The brunette function accepts parameters.
The blonde tries to take a structure.
Dr Malcolm McLean
wrote:
brunette?
It was a character pointer.
Dr Malcolm McLean
Why was the blonde programmer on her mobile phone?
She was told to call printf().
spinoza1111
> On 2010-04-03, Julienne Walker <happyfro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > *I* think you should butt out of their business. It's not your place
> > to provide unsolicited "self-defense" for others, and I strongly doubt
> > Schildt would approve of how you're doing it.
>
> Nilges has in the past suggested that Schildt approves, though I have
> no idea how much weight to place on that.
>
> > Fortunately, he has no
> > need to worry about your dragging his good name through the mud by
> > bringing up old embarrassments. The chances of anyone who might
> > escalate the damage reading your posts (and blogs) are vanishingly
> > small.
>
> I suspect that people do indeed read them sometimes -- I myself had
> been underestimating how famous Nilges was among people who have been
> reading Usenet for a long time. However, I think the chances of anyone
> *taking them seriously* are indeed vanishingly small.
Peter, as a result of mere posting on usenet, I was invited to
participate at a Princeton University Press online discussion, I was
invited to contribute to the essay track at the 2005 ACM meeting, and
I was hired at at least one job. I did not in the end contribute to
the essay track owing to lack of funds to travel.
There is an urban legend that I'm "crazy". Recently, at work, a
manager posted a surreptitious photograph on a public blog of a
coworker with a very demeaning comment, and I complained to her
manager. Her defense was that I'd been "thrown out" of a local
placeblog; I'd not been, I'd left in disgust at the behavior of other
moderators besides myself (who was a moderator). The result? She was
disciplined and company rules about this behavior were clarified.
In these Internet "crusades", I've learned to define goals to at least
try to avoid wasting my time on going back and forth here. My goal
here is simple. You need to remove "C: the Complete Nonsense" and post
an apology.
>
> I don't imagine that there's any chance of Schildt or McGraw-Hill suing
> me over that page.
>
> -s
> --
spinoza1111
In ways that shall remain confidential, I did check, after getting the
wikipedia biography to conform to wikipedia's "biographies of living
persons" policies, whether interested parties on the other side of
this issue cared either way about my participation. I received their
approval. It's none of YOUR business how this was done, but as long
ago as early 2009, I was concerned about re-opening old wounds and I
took steps accordingly.
Today, I sent an email to those parties reaffirming that if any time
they would like me to desist, I will do so.
I've already addressed this issue, several times, and at this point,
you're nothing more than a cybernetic mob member, and a bitch,
screaming imprecations at the Chosen One.
Ian Collins
>
> I will state for the record that I have no interest at all in trying
> to "destroy" Nilges, or undermine his credibility, or anything else.
What credibility?
--
Ian Collins
Qwertyioup
<spino...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>There is an urban legend that I'm "crazy". Recently, at work, a
>manager posted a surreptitious photograph on a public blog of a
>coworker with a very demeaning comment, and I complained to her
>manager. Her defense was that I'd been "thrown out" of a local
>placeblog; I'd not been, I'd left in disgust at the behavior of other
>moderators besides myself (who was a moderator). The result? She was
>disciplined and company rules about this behavior were clarified.
Just for the record, you certainly WERE thrown out of the Lamma forum.
You may have threatened to leave, as you periodically do in this and
every other forum or newsgroup, but as always you expected to come
back a few days later and continue as if nothing had happened. But
though you asked over and over to be allowed back, you were refused.
I assume that you were telling people the fairy tale version, as you
outline above, and they checked up, as the posts are still online,
and found you were lying.
I've looked at your blog, by the way.
Sad how not only your ex-wife, but your sons and you sister all refuse
to have anything to do with you because of your behaviour. Of course
you've learned nothing; still sure that everyone else is wrong and
conspiring against you.
So someone made a "demeaning comment" at work and instead of working
it out you escalated that and got her in trouble. Well done. No doubt
in a short time you'll be railing about the fascists at your current
workplace who forced you out for "telling the truth to power" or
whatever self-aggrandising bullshit you make up to explain that you
were let go for being a complete asshole. Because it is clear that
you can't function in any work, family or social group unless everyone
defers to you.
Well, it's been great to catch up with you. Maybe I'll be back in a
few months or next year to see you explain how you "left your job in
disgust at your colleagues' behaviour".
io_x
"Qwertyioup" ha scritto nel messaggio
> On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 02:23:36 -0700 (PDT), spinoza1111
is wrong not offer one escape way, one chance
i say: to live and let to live (expecially people that are in trouble)
every one of us has his side good and side not good, but appear that
even in simple code are very few who has full right.
so because we make error even in simple routine how can judge other work?
i hope that this war end; to live and let to live
is it possible always one war and never the time
or the will for a good word?
Seebs
> What credibility?
Well, yeah. One of the reasons I am not trying to undermine his credibility
is that even if I wanted to, I'm not sure at all that it would be
theoretically possible.
Dr Malcolm McLean
> [Qwertyioup]
> is wrong not offer one escape way, one chance
> i say: to live and let to live (expecially people that
> are in trouble)
>
Stick to criticisms of Spinoza1111's views on C programming. There's
no point bringing up other, off-topic issues that none of us here can
possibly be in a position judge.
Seebs
> Stick to criticisms of Spinoza1111's views on C programming. There's
> no point bringing up other, off-topic issues that none of us here can
> possibly be in a position judge.
Normally, I agree, but in the case of someone with a long history of
disruption and general internet kookery, legal threats, etcetera, it
can be important to warn people about the side issues -- many people
would rather not engage someone with a history of going to employers
with defamatory claims about people he's argued with on the internet,
for instance. Similarly, knowing that someone's been impenetrably stupid
about something for a decade changes, for most people, the expected return
on time spent trying to educate that person.
-s
--
Moi
> On 2010-04-04, Dr Malcolm McLean <malcolm...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> Stick to criticisms of Spinoza1111's views on C programming. There's no
>> point bringing up other, off-topic issues that none of us here can
>> possibly be in a position judge.
>
> Normally, I agree, but in the case of someone with a long history of
> disruption and general internet kookery, legal threats, etcetera, it can
> be important to warn people about the side issues -- many people would
> rather not engage someone with a history of going to employers with
> defamatory claims about people he's argued with on the internet, for
> instance. Similarly, knowing that someone's been impenetrably stupid
> about something for a decade changes, for most people, the expected
> return on time spent trying to educate that person.
Remember that it is basically just you and Richard who take the bait.
Effectively lowering the S/N ratio to under 50%.
Just don't react. It's easy. Ignore it. The amusement value is close to zero
(maybe except for you) and the net effect is hem succeeding in his goal to
destroy this NG, whatever that may be.
AvK
Richard Harter
Speak for yourself. I find the amusement value rather high.
Julienne Walker
> On Apr 4, 4:22 am, Julienne Walker <happyfro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 3, 2:49 pm, spinoza1111 <spinoza1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Apr 3, 9:44 pm, Julienne Walker <happyfro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > <snip the usual time vampire of a post from a self important asshole>
>
> > > > > So that's funny? How about blonde jokes? Women driver jokes?
>
> > > > If they're good jokes, yes. I'm not so full of myself that I can't
> > > > appreciate a joke at my expense.
>
> > > We are beyond joking, kiddo. I think McGraw Hill and Schildt should
> > > sue Seebach.
>
> > *I* think you should butt out of their business. It's not your place
> > to provide unsolicited "self-defense" for others, and I strongly doubt
> > Schildt would approve of how you're doing it. Fortunately, he has no
> > need to worry about your dragging his good name through the mud by
> > bringing up old embarrassments. The chances of anyone who might
> > escalate the damage reading your posts (and blogs) are vanishingly
> > small.
>
> In ways that shall remain confidential, I did check, after getting the
> wikipedia biography to conform to wikipedia's "biographies of living
> persons" policies, whether interested parties on the other side of
> this issue cared either way about my participation. I received their
> approval.
Bullshit. I can see it one of two ways:
1) You're a liar and received no such approval. I see this as likely
because you're prone to throw around names as a way to make yourself
seem more credible.
2) You received positive feedback for the Wikipedia edits and took
that to mean approval for ALL of your vindictive escapades.
I'd love to see what Schildt thinks of how you've been championing him
here on clc. Were I him, I'd rush to send you a cease and desist email.
Seebs
> Remember that it is basically just you and Richard who take the bait.
I don't think I agree with that -- we may be two of the people most
likely to respond (although I think I've responded to Nilges maybe once
in the last few months), but there are an awful lot of individual
responses.
That said, I am sort of amazed; I recently dekillfiled him just to see
whether he was responsible for the huge gap between articles in group
and unkillfiled articles in group. He is. I have never seen such a
volume of posts. I'm amazed.
But none of them seem to have any semantic content worth noticing, so
I guess that experiment is over.
Sjouke Burry
> Speak for yourself. I find the amusement value rather high.
Here speakes a true troll
Back to your stone bridge please.
Richard Harter
Does your mother know you've been using her laptop again?
Qwertyioup
Well, yes. But how about you address that suggestion to Nilges?
He's the one who keep introducing personal attacks into every topic.
He's got a library of charges against enemies from his past that he
throws into posts all the time. I realise that it's hopeless to expect
him to stop or respond to any request to prove his assertions, but
every now and then I may put a notice on record that his version of
events is disputed.
Though what do you really expect to see in a topic titled
"Personal attacks by moderators in a moderated group are
unprofessional" but personal smears and flames?
Anyway, with that made clear I hope, I will try to restrain myself
from further pig wrestling.
James Harris
> On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 02:23:36 -0700 (PDT), spinoza1111
>
> >There is an urban legend that I'm "crazy". Recently, at work, a
> >manager posted a surreptitious photograph on a public blog of a
> >coworker with a very demeaning comment, and I complained to her
> >manager. Her defense was that I'd been "thrown out" of a local
> >placeblog; I'd not been, I'd left in disgust at the behavior of other
> >moderators besides myself (who was a moderator). The result? She was
> >disciplined and company rules about this behavior were clarified.
>
> Just for the record, you certainly WERE thrown out of the Lamma forum.
> You may have threatened to leave, as you periodically do in this and
> every other forum or newsgroup, but as always you expected to come
> back a few days later and continue as if nothing had happened. But
> though you asked over and over to be allowed back, you were refused.
Thanks for posting this. As others have said I'm not sure we can
directly corroborate the account but your comments are very much in
accord with the personality Edward Nilges shows in his posts so I find
what you have said eminently believable.
As well as the Lamma forum, whatever that is, unless there was another
user with the same name he seems to have suffered the same fate on
Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Spinoza1111
In his mind no doubt he chose to leave that too. :-)
> I assume that you were telling people the fairy tale version, as you
> outline above, and they checked up, as the posts are still online,
> and found you were lying.
>
> I've looked at your blog, by the way.
> Sad how not only your ex-wife, but your sons and you sister all refuse
> to have anything to do with you because of your behaviour. Of course
> you've learned nothing; still sure that everyone else is wrong and
He does indeed show signs of paranoia.
> So someone made a "demeaning comment" at work and instead of working
> it out you escalated that and got her in trouble. Well done.
Yep, he seems to fly into a rage at criticism. Not the smartest idea
on Usenet, eh. Getting someone into trouble is clearly his intention
here. He railed for a while at harming Richard Heathfield and now he's
trying it with Peter Seebach. So, again, your assertion that he
escalated a complaint until he got her into trouble is totally
believable.
Edward Nilges reminds me a bit of Heather Mills (the woman that
married Paul McCartney). She was able to look people in the eye and
tell a story like she really believed it but her life was subsequently
revealed as heavily based on fantasy rather than reality. Mr Nilges
seems to have similar issues.
James
BruceS
> On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 01:19:39 +0200, Moi
>
>
>
> <r...@invalid.address.org> wrote:
> >On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 21:06:53 +0000, Seebs wrote:
>
> >>> Stick to criticisms of Spinoza1111's views on C programming. There's no
> >>> point bringing up other, off-topic issues that none of us here can
> >>> possibly be in a position judge.
>
> >> Normally, I agree, but in the case of someone with a long history of
> >> disruption and general internet kookery, legal threats, etcetera, it can
> >> be important to warn people about the side issues -- many people would
> >> rather not engage someone with a history of going to employers with
> >> defamatory claims about people he's argued with on the internet, for
> >> instance. Similarly, knowing that someone's been impenetrably stupid
> >> about something for a decade changes, for most people, the expected
> >> return on time spent trying to educate that person.
>
> >Remember that it is basically just you and Richard who take the bait.
> >Effectively lowering the S/N ratio to under 50%.
> >Just don't react. It's easy. Ignore it. The amusement value is close to zero
> >(maybe except for you) and the net effect is hem succeeding in his goal to
> >destroy this NG, whatever that may be.
>
> Speak for yourself. I find the amusement value rather high.
Gotta side with Mr. Harter on this. Seebs, with his claimed
education, should know better than to keep tripping up such a severely
disabled person, but it's still a (somewhat guilty) amusement to watch
the poor sad loser keep falling in the mud. If I weren't amused, I'd
simply skip any post by the loon and any reply to same.
Shame on you, Seebs.
Hey, I didn't say stop!
Seebs
> Gotta side with Mr. Harter on this. Seebs, with his claimed
> education, should know better than to keep tripping up such a severely
> disabled person, but it's still a (somewhat guilty) amusement to watch
> the poor sad loser keep falling in the mud. If I weren't amused, I'd
> simply skip any post by the loon and any reply to same.
> Shame on you, Seebs.
> Hey, I didn't say stop!
The last time I poked at his insanity on purpose was waving the word
"autistic" in front of him to see what he'd do. Since then, I've just been
trying to occasionally correct some of the more egregious mishaps and
misrepresentations.
Not that this helps. He complained about me allegedly padding my resume;
I sent a link to the joke resume I wrote up in response to people claiming
that everyone has to pad their resume. He responded by apparently thinking
that:
1. I have actually offered that resume as being in some way real, rather
than a parody based on carefully-chosen literal truths which are funny in
context.
2. There exist sane people who would ever mistake it for a real resume.
(The qualifier is needed because at least one other person did, apparently,
mistake it for a real resume, but that person's internet search skills were
so stunningly bad as to really leave me unsurprised. You can't fix stupid.)
I think the problem is that I have not yet developed a sufficiently
pessimistic model of the reading comprehension available to Nilges. As
a result, I make mistakes like pointing out a joke in the expectation
that he will comprehend that a joke is usually not considered to be a serious
representation. If he couldn't see why the "Apple Computer" thing listed
on my parody resume is a joke, there's not much I can do to help him.
BruceS
> On 2010-04-06, BruceS <bruce...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Gotta side with Mr. Harter on this. Seebs, with his claimed
> > education, should know better than to keep tripping up such a severely
> > disabled person, but it's still a (somewhat guilty) amusement to watch
> > the poor sad loser keep falling in the mud. If I weren't amused, I'd
> > simply skip any post by the loon and any reply to same.
> > Shame on you, Seebs.
> > Hey, I didn't say stop!
>
> The last time I poked at his insanity on purpose was waving the word
> "autistic" in front of him to see what he'd do. Since then, I've just been
> trying to occasionally correct some of the more egregious mishaps and
> misrepresentations.
The last time you poked at his insanity was most likely your most
recent post. After a few such accidental pokes, the pattern should
start becoming clear.
> Not that this helps. He complained about me allegedly padding my resume;
> I sent a link to the joke resume I wrote up in response to people claiming
> that everyone has to pad their resume. He responded by apparently thinking
> that:
>
> 1. I have actually offered that resume as being in some way real, rather
> than a parody based on carefully-chosen literal truths which are funny in
> context.
> 2. There exist sane people who would ever mistake it for a real resume.
>
> (The qualifier is needed because at least one other person did, apparently,
> mistake it for a real resume, but that person's internet search skills were
> so stunningly bad as to really leave me unsurprised. You can't fix stupid.)
Not since they changed the laws.
> I think the problem is that I have not yet developed a sufficiently
> pessimistic model of the reading comprehension available to Nilges. As
> a result, I make mistakes like pointing out a joke in the expectation
> that he will comprehend that a joke is usually not considered to be a serious
> representation. If he couldn't see why the "Apple Computer" thing listed
> on my parody resume is a joke, there's not much I can do to help him.
Perhaps I'm being overly sensitive. He has appears to have reached a
point where he's stumbling over the least thing. The resume is
actually a pretty good example. I think that, at this point, anything
you post either in reply to or in reference to him would be fodder for
an intellectual pratfall. As I said, I'm not asking you to stop,
since I'm among the bad bad people who keep laughing. For a while I
tried to see the reason among the rant, but I've given up. He is fast
becoming a worse parody of himself than you (or I) could construct.
When I first saw your mention of your education, I wondered whether
you were prodding him a bit to figure out exactly what his defect is.
ISTM that's a bit of a hobby in that field. You've since given what I
would consider a dx, but clearly a partial one. It's not my field, so
I'll keep my guesses to myself.
Seebs
> recent post. After a few such accidental pokes, the pattern should
> start becoming clear.
I distinguish between "things done in order to poke at Nilges" and "things
done for other reasons, despite the fact that they may also have the side
effect of poking at Nilges".
> When I first saw your mention of your education, I wondered whether
> you were prodding him a bit to figure out exactly what his defect is.
> ISTM that's a bit of a hobby in that field. You've since given what I
> would consider a dx, but clearly a partial one. It's not my field, so
> I'll keep my guesses to myself.
I wasn't really thinking about it. He accused us all of having "APd out
of CS 101". This struck me as stupid in several ways:
1. I did, in fact, do an AP class -- calculus. I tested out of calc 1
and calc 2 in college, and quite rightly so; I knew the material better
than most of the people who took them. The implied premise that AP
classes that actually yield a college credit "don't count" is not
supported.
2. But I am definitely not an ivory-tower intellectual who learned about
programming entirely from an academic standpoint.
The totally unsupported allegation was, at the time, sort of a novelty --
I was not yet used to the way in which Nilges makes up things which, if they
were true, would make him feel important, and then asserts them without any
effort at fact-checking or any kind of support.
So I pointed out that it was wrong, because I'm a pedant at heart. I don't
really think it's a big deal either way; it amuses me that I ended up not
doing the academic course path, way back when, but it has no impact to speak
of on much of anything now.
Now, pointing out that I never finished high school, that may have been
poking at him. (And if so, I think it was more recent than the autism
remark.) That one's sort of a hobby for me; anyone who pays even a TINY
bit of attention will realize that it must be some kind of a trap, but
people who are in a big hurry to rush to condemn me for my alleged flaws
tend to misinterpret it. (And I believe Nilges did, in fact, go on to
claim that I "failed" high school -- a statement I have not made, for
the most obvious reason.)
spinoza1111
> On 2010-04-06, BruceS <bruce...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Gotta side with Mr. Harter on this. Seebs, with his claimed
> > education, should know better than to keep tripping up such a severely
> > disabled person, but it's still a (somewhat guilty) amusement to watch
> > the poor sad loser keep falling in the mud. If I weren't amused, I'd
> > simply skip any post by the loon and any reply to same.
> > Shame on you, Seebs.
> > Hey, I didn't say stop!
>
> The last time I poked at his insanity on purpose was waving the word
> "autistic" in front of him to see what he'd do. Since then, I've just been
> trying to occasionally correct some of the more egregious mishaps and
> misrepresentations.
>
> Not that this helps. He complained about me allegedly padding my resume;
> I sent a link to the joke resume I wrote up in response to people claiming
> that everyone has to pad their resume. He responded by apparently thinking
> that:
>
> 1. I have actually offered that resume as being in some way real, rather
> than a parody based on carefully-chosen literal truths which are funny in
> context.
> 2. There exist sane people who would ever mistake it for a real resume.
Actually, I believe you have used this as a real resume to get short-
term contracts from people who are too busy to read it all, and if you
think this is a shame, you are exceptionally vain. Your "real" resumes
are stunningly patronizing and I believe that if you lose your current
job, you will have to rewrite them to get a new job. I don't think
you'll find one, since your lack of academic qualifications is
stunning in view of your demand to work at home on high technology.
You can't win an argument, you have with a singular lack of grace or
decency admitted that you let a single poorly-drafted post ruin a
man's reputation for five years until I, as you concede, got on your
fucking ass, you use a word "illucid" which is the root of a verb
meaning the opposite of your plain meaning, you post buggy code all
the time, you have NO academic preparation in computer science, and
you can't moderate. OK, you can play foolish pranks and your employer
lets you work at home, quite possibly because your coworkers can't
stand you.
I am underwhelmed.
>
> (The qualifier is needed because at least one other person did, apparently,
> mistake it for a real resume, but that person's internet search skills were
> so stunningly bad as to really leave me unsurprised. You can't fix stupid.)
No, Peter, you are stupid. But I wouldn't care save for the fact that
you're also very evil. You've stalked a harmless author for fifteen
years and when you make many more foolish errors here such as posting
your silly off-by-one strlen and crossposting to other groups you
expect a charity which you do not extend to others.
If you persist in this psychotic behavior you may end up in prison. We
can send our compilers to India for testing.
>
> I think the problem is that I have not yet developed a sufficiently
> pessimistic model of the reading comprehension available to Nilges. As
> a result, I make mistakes like pointing out a joke in the expectation
> that he will comprehend that a joke is usually not considered to be a serious
> representation. If he couldn't see why the "Apple Computer" thing listed
> on my parody resume is a joke, there's not much I can do to help him.
No, you're a joke. Given your lies here, I naturally assumed that you
would present as an Apple employee and venture capitalist and accept a
job offer based on the hiring person's misunderstanding.
You're lying on your real resume. You did not single-handedly (or at
all) standardize C. Nor do you moderate comp.lang.c, by your own
admission.
>
> -s
> --
spinoza1111
> On 2010-04-06, BruceS <bruce...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The last time you poked at his insanity was most likely your most
> > recent post. After a few such accidental pokes, the pattern should
> > start becoming clear.
>
> I distinguish between "things done in order to poke at Nilges" and "things
> done for other reasons, despite the fact that they may also have the side
> effect of poking at Nilges".
Replace "poking at" by "stalking and harassing", please, because
that's what you are doing, and it is becoming a police matter. This is
because I raised the issue of your stalking Herb properly and asked
you to get in touch with me by email so we could discuss my concerns
offline, and you responded with stalking and harassing behavior.
>
> > When I first saw your mention of your education, I wondered whether
> > you were prodding him a bit to figure out exactly what his defect is.
> > ISTM that's a bit of a hobby in that field. You've since given what I
> > would consider a dx, but clearly a partial one. It's not my field, so
> > I'll keep my guesses to myself.
>
> I wasn't really thinking about it. He accused us all of having "APd out
> of CS 101". This struck me as stupid in several ways:
Excuse me, at this time, I don't think you could have passed the
examination. Is the "heap" still a DOS term?
>
> 1. I did, in fact, do an AP class -- calculus. I tested out of calc 1
(Sigh) I took calculus, too. It's a great prep for
programming...analog devices. A lot of demand out there...
> and calc 2 in college, and quite rightly so; I knew the material better
> than most of the people who took them. The implied premise that AP
> classes that actually yield a college credit "don't count" is not
> supported.
I detect a pattern. You didn't want to go to class and you do not want
to go to work; you took AP tests and you demand in your resume to work
at home.
But reading your Mom's blog, I think I've found out why. I think you
flee "the encounter with the Other". Your Mom dislikes, viscerally,
the idea of being forced down the social scale to the extent of having
to teach or pay taxes for (not sure which) previously all-white
science classes being affirmatively integrated, because this would
make all too real to her the fact of downward, lower middle class
social mobility...just as the Tea Baggers are hopping mad at having an
African American president who is more literate, better educated both
formally and autodidactically, and better spoken than they or, even
more, their children...some of whom are hanging on to data processing
jobs and holding companies to ransom with shibboleth code, whilst
backstabbing their coworkers and stalking computer authors.
> 2. But I am definitely not an ivory-tower intellectual who learned about
> programming entirely from an academic standpoint.
No, you're not. But you certainly think in some caricatured ivory
tower ways: you sure as hell can exclude the excluded middle. Since
when is it a choice between being a complete autodidact like you, who
fled the Other in the form of having to be in a class with students
who might (who probably would) laugh at you because of your vanity and
pretense, and being an "ivory tower intellectual who learned about
programming entirely from an academic standpoint"?
You do in fact live in a flimsy and self-built "ivory tower"
constituted by the temporary willingness of companies to put up with
your nonsense in return for finding bugs that wouldn't be present if
the original developers weren't near-slaves.
My Princeton friends went to school in an ivory tower. But those of
them who majored in computer science had to, as a senior project, do
what Wozniak did, that is, architect and construct a real computer and
write its OSen and compilers. I find no such accomplishment on your
resume and this looks really bad given the absence of any educational
preparation.
>
> The totally unsupported allegation was, at the time, sort of a novelty --
> I was not yet used to the way in which Nilges makes up things which, if they
> were true, would make him feel important, and then asserts them without any
> effort at fact-checking or any kind of support.
Whoa, dude. How does the fact that you AP'd out of calculus prove that
you have academic qualifications in computer science?
>
> So I pointed out that it was wrong, because I'm a pedant at heart. I don't
> really think it's a big deal either way; it amuses me that I ended up not
> doing the academic course path, way back when, but it has no impact to speak
> of on much of anything now.
No, it does. You don't know how to write a structured program. You
can't get a one line strlen working without an off by one bug. You
thought and perhaps still think that "the 'heap' is a DOS term". You
think that "illucid" is a word. And more to the point, you think
stalking is "reasoned criticism".
>
> Now, pointing out that I never finished high school, that may have been
> poking at him. (And if so, I think it was more recent than the autism
> remark.) That one's sort of a hobby for me; anyone who pays even a TINY
> bit of attention will realize that it must be some kind of a trap, but
> people who are in a big hurry to rush to condemn me for my alleged flaws
> tend to misinterpret it. (And I believe Nilges did, in fact, go on to
> claim that I "failed" high school -- a statement I have not made, for
> the most obvious reason.)
It is immaterial how and in what way you are lying now. Did you drop
out because of the minorities hassling you? I.don't.care. The point is
that the ground is giving way beneath your feet. We work six hours a
week in China. We go in to work on working public transportation, and
wouldn't dream of demanding to work from home. If we want to work in
CS we major in CS. We help each other without stalking and without
sniping.
>
> -s
> --
spinoza1111
> On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 11:32:07 -0700 (PDT), Dr Malcolm McLean
>
> >On 4 Apr, 18:02, "io_x" <a...@b.c.invalid> wrote:
> >> [Qwertyioup]
> >> is wrong not offer one escape way, one chance
> >> i say: to live and let to live (expecially people that
> >> are in trouble)
>
> >I agree.
> >no point bringing up other, off-topic issues that none of us here can
> >possibly be in a position judge.
>
> Well, yes. But how about you address that suggestion to Nilges?
>
> He's the one who keep introducing personal attacks into every topic.
> He's got a library of charges against enemies from his past that he
> throws into posts all the time. I realise that it's hopeless to expect
> him to stop or respond to any request to prove his assertions, but
> every now and then I may put a notice on record that his version of
> events is disputed.
>
> Though what do you really expect to see in a topic titled
> "Personal attacks by moderators in a moderated group are
> unprofessional" but personal smears and flames?
>
> Anyway, with that made clear I hope, I will try to restrain myself
> from further pig wrestling.
This guy is a troll of the first water. Like Harlan Sanders he comes
here to anonymously flame. I've seen him on the ferry, with dull eyes.
He was and possibly is a moderator at the dysfunctional site www.lamma.com.hk
who was offended at the length, literacy, research and civility of my
content when I was made a moderator. He was also offended when I
responded to stalking with artwork...and was invited by a highly
respected Lamma artist and gallery owner to have a one-man show. He
tried to disrupt the show and then started transferring inciting posts
from "fight club" to my zone. I deleted them and complained to the
sysadmin, who has in fact poor literacy in English and didn't
understand the issues, and who inserted a rebuke into my area. I
deleted this as I was deleting all offensive materials, so the
sysadmin flew into a rage and suspended some privileges. I then
decided that being a moderator or even posting at the site was a waste
of time, and left the site (in 2007), never to return.
quertyuiop has long made it his business to stalk and harass me and
may have to reported to the Hong Kong police.
I now will use the word "troll" since Jaron "You Are Not a Gadget" has
satisfactorily come up with a good definition. It's an anonymous
person who posts hatred. Quertyuiop and "Colonel Harlan Sanders" are
both Lanier trolls.
But what Lanier also just dimly perceives is that named people who
seek unfair money and/or power, from Jimmy Wales to Seebach, enable
anonymous Lanier-trolls. It's fear of their vicious attacks which make
lurkers here silent and women like Julienne and blm to chide me for
not being polite...for stirring up trouble.
spinoza1111
> On Apr 4, 5:28 am,spinoza1111<spinoza1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > On Apr 4, 4:22 am, Julienne Walker <happyfro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Apr 3, 9:44 pm, Julienne Walker <happyfro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > <snip the usual time vampire of a post from a self important asshole>
>
> > > > > > So that's funny? How about blonde jokes? Women driver jokes?
>
> > > > > If they're good jokes, yes. I'm not so full of myself that I can't
> > > > > appreciate a joke at my expense.
>
> > > > We are beyond joking, kiddo. I think McGraw Hill and Schildt should
> > > > sue Seebach.
>
> > > *I* think you should butt out of their business. It's not your place
> > > to provide unsolicited "self-defense" for others, and I strongly doubt
> > > Schildt would approve of how you're doing it. Fortunately, he has no
> > > need to worry about your dragging his good name through the mud by
> > > bringing up old embarrassments. The chances of anyone who might
> > > escalate the damage reading your posts (and blogs) are vanishingly
> > > small.
>
> > In ways that shall remain confidential, I did check, after getting the
> > wikipedia biography to conform to wikipedia's "biographies of living
> > persons" policies, whether interested parties on the other side of
> > this issue cared either way about my participation. I received their
> > approval.
>
> Bullshit. I can see it one of two ways:
>
> 1) You're a liar and received no such approval. I see this as likely
> because you're prone to throw around names as a way to make yourself
> seem more credible.
Well, darlin' I love you too:
1. I might use the names to establish credibility in a medium where
everyone is so filled with hatred and fear that nobody has any, but
unfortunately I rilly helped Nash with C, I rilly interviewed Peter
Neumann for a real book, Whit Diffie was a coworker and so on.
2. Don't call me a liar. It makes you a liar.
>
> 2) You received positive feedback for the Wikipedia edits and took
> that to mean approval for ALL of your vindictive escapades.
2. Hmm. Do you do that? Because I think you think I'm some sort of
depraved person who would do that, and not learn instead that success
is based on doing one's homework as I did when I asked wikipedia to
remove the real garbage from the Schildt article. Do me the courtesy
of not confusing me with your depraved associates. I mean, if everyone
in your circle is for shit, and if every guy here is filled with
hatred, and every gal with fear and hatred, there's also the exception
that proves the rule.
>
> I'd love to see what Schildt thinks of how you've been championing him
> here on clc. Were I him, I'd rush to send you a cease and desist email.
Solidarity is rare, isn't it? My boss got in trouble for hugging a
laid off co-worker. And I've already addressed in writing this issue,
in a post where I described how Leon Trotsky's dissidence got his
extended family murdered. Stalin killed Trotsky's son: not Trotsky.
And if we can't point out that Seebach is stalking, that Seebach
initiated the campaign with CTCN-3, then anyone, anywhere in the
world, will be able to denounce any one else and depending on his
access to the technical apparatus, will be able to incite a mob.
Delightful world we live in, isn't it. Darlin.
Anyway, this is the moment when the women start screeching, isn't it,
excited at some bestial level by the blood and glass but frightened
that the men will turn on them all the same.
Blood and glass, blood and glass
This is merely what has come to pass.
rigs
> Replace "poking at" by "stalking and harassing", please, because
> that's what you are doing, and it is becoming a police matter. This is
> because I raised the issue of your stalking Herb properly and asked
> you to get in touch with me by email so we could discuss my concerns
> offline, and you responded with stalking and harassing behavior.
>
>
The call the cops. Or file suit. Or something.
rigs
Are you drunk?
Keith Thompson
>
> Are you drunk?
Why did you feel the need to quote spinoza1111's entire article?
Anyone who wants to read it can do so; those of us who have killfiled
him did so for a reason. Why help him spread his nonsense?
--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) ks...@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Nokia
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"
rigs
I apologize. I plead laziness and beg for mercy.
Rob Kendrick
rigs <rigo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Why did you feel the need to quote spinoza1111's entire article?
<snip>
> > --
> > Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) ks...@mib.org
> > <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst> Nokia
> > "We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do
> > this." -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"
>
> I apologize. I plead laziness and beg for mercy.
You might want to also learn to trim signatures to avoid such wrath :)
B.
rigs
> You might want to also learn to trim signatures to avoid such wrath :)
>
I'm educable (there's a good spinny word). I learned about sigs and
struct padding today.
Keith Thompson
> On Apr 9, 5:25 pm, Keith Thompson <ks...@mib.org> wrote:
>> rigs <rigor...@gmail.com> writes:
>> > On Apr 9, 3:13 pm, spinoza1111 <spinoza1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> [84 lines deleted]
>>
>> > Are you drunk?
>>
>> Why did you feel the need to quote spinoza1111's entire article?
>> Anyone who wants to read it can do so; those of us who have killfiled
>> him did so for a reason. Why help him spread his nonsense?
>
> I apologize. I plead laziness and beg for mercy.
Apology gladly accepted.
spinoza1111
No. I understand that people have to get drunk today to talk poetry,
but I have to teach it, so I figured it out as you see up there and at
different places in these discussions. I find it amusing that when
people try to match me, they can't put together a single metrical line
(when English professors try and fail they claim that I don't scan in
sour grapes)...the words don't come, or foulness comes, or half
remembered rock lyrics.
And its SUCH an an a pest I am
When I shout iamb
Way down upon de Spondee river
Trochee me honey bunny
I mean: what we've found here is that someone with no academic
preparation in computer science and serious personal problems has
stalked and harassed Herb Schildt for fifteen years, using wikipedia
and the internet to amplify himself and make himself Legion. Rather
than subject him to the same treatment which would encourage the
criminal chorus of tu quoque, I propose to demonstrate in verse that
he's not dealing with what he thinks he's dealing. Something new, I'd
wot.
J de Boyne Pollard
> > number can tell you whether it's a multiple of 3 or 9? How does
> > that work in bases other than base 10? (I freeze up for 10 seconds
> > or so, not tracking movement if people wave hands in front of me,
> > etc.) "N-1 and its factors." I then spent the next hour and a half
> > trying to explain why this was obvious.
>
> Neat! I just tried this out in binary (N==2), and it works!
I know you were joking there; but nonetheless try it out in octal.
It actually has a use, there. Calculate the octal "digital root"
(for that is what it is called) of a day number (i.e. the number
of days since some fixed starting point that happens to be a
Sunday, such as 1899-12-31), and you get the day of the week.
Not so useful in software, perhaps, since a mod operator
produces the same answer. But in hardware even several adders
are usually preferable to a divider.