problem
wahid
again ok but send me those .
Francis Glassborow
> I m in a problem, i need those solution i will never disturb u people
> again ok but send me those .
If you use any solution given here you really will be stupid. The
regulars here are masters of writing programs for homework questions
that are either riddled with errors or use such contorted C that no
teacher is going to believe they are your work.
If you cannot do any of the problems you have posted then you need to
talk with your teacher because it is only going to get harder from now
on. If you cannot do the basics you have already failed even if you do
not know it yet.
Seebs
Francis is, of course, correct. When I write answers to homework
problems, they are such that they would make excellent study projects to
learn interesting things about C, but horrible things to hand in to a
teacher.
-s
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Richard Heathfield
> I m in a problem, i need those solution i will never disturb u people
> again ok but send me those .
That isn't how it works.
You have to try yourself, or you'll never learn anything.
If you get stuck, we can help, but nobody with a kind heart will do this
homework for you, because all that doing so will teach you is management
skills.
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Antoninus Twink
> On 2010-01-10, Francis Glassborow <francis.g...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> The regulars here are masters of writing programs for homework
>> questions that are either riddled with errors or use such contorted C
>> that no teacher is going to believe they are your work.
>
> problems, they are such that they would make excellent study projects to
> learn interesting things about C, but horrible things to hand in to a
> teacher.
Yes, like the rest of the "regulars", your attitude stinks.
In post after post, you bitch and complain when people ask questions
that are "not about ISO C". Then when someone DOES ask an ISO C
question, you don't want to answer that either - and not only do you
refuse to answer it, but you pretend to give an answer which in reality
is deliberately misleading.
Hardly a constructive attitude, is it? To say nothing of being
completely mean-spirited. Exactly what I've come to expect from you and
your pals amongst the "regulars".
osmium
> On 01/09/2010 11:29 PM, wahid wrote:
>> I m in a problem, i need those solution i will never disturb u people
>> again ok but send me those .
>
> Out of curiosity, would you tell us why you need these answers so badly?
> These are really basic questions; if they're a prerequisite for
> something, you're going to be screwed later no matter what kind of help
> you get from this group.
The questions are not from any decently designed course. There are trivial
questions and then out of the blue, the towers of Hanoi. That looks more
like he is browsing a text book, rather than taking a course. An
alternative would be questions collected over the total span of a course.
If it IS a course in process, it is pretty awful.
Richard
> On 2010-01-10, Francis Glassborow <francis.g...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> wahid wrote:
>>> I m in a problem, i need those solution i will never disturb u people
>>> again ok but send me those .
>>
>> If you use any solution given here you really will be stupid. The
>> regulars here are masters of writing programs for homework questions
>> that are either riddled with errors or use such contorted C that no
>> teacher is going to believe they are your work.
>>
>> If you cannot do any of the problems you have posted then you need to
>> talk with your teacher because it is only going to get harder from now
>> on. If you cannot do the basics you have already failed even if you do
>> not know it yet.
>
> Francis is, of course, correct. When I write answers to homework
> problems, they are such that they would make excellent study projects to
> learn interesting things about C, but horrible things to hand in to a
> teacher.
You have, after Heathfield, the biggest head in c.l.c.
>
> -s
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the planet" - Mark McIntyre in comp.lang.c
scattered
I think this is the most likely explanation. An end of the semester
deadline would also explain the apparent desperation. Perhaps these
are missed assignments and the professor is giving him the opportunity
to turn them in for partial credit.
Bill Leary
news:hic2a6$lnh$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 01/09/2010 11:29 PM, wahid wrote:
>> again ok but send me those .
>
> These are really basic questions; if they're a prerequisite for
> something, you're going to be screwed later no matter what kind of help
> you get from this group.
I think he's actually a pshyc student and he's conducting a field experiment
using c.l.c. as the subject domain.
- Bill
Kenny McCormack
Richard <rgr...@gmail.com> wrote:
...
>You have, after Heathfield, the biggest head in c.l.c.
And we don't mean that in a good way...
Francis Glassborow
Are you for real? How would doing someone's homework be helpful? It is
the worst thing you could do for the OP. Yes the regulars are dead right
to try to persuade such students to do their work or at least try to do so.
Now what you have done is to provide him with answers that he will not
understand and will result in his having a very embarrassing meeting
with his teacher. That assumes he will know where to find a curses
library (which I somewhat doubt he will manage)
No we are not mean spirited, just the contrary we are trying to get an
apparently lazy or inattentive student to face up to his problems early
enough to remedy them.
Antoninus Twink
> Antoninus Twink wrote:
>> Then when someone DOES ask an ISO C question, you don't want to
>> answer that either - and not only do you refuse to answer it, but you
>> pretend to give an answer which in reality is deliberately
>> misleading.
>
> the worst thing you could do for the OP. Yes the regulars are dead
> right to try to persuade such students to do their work or at least
> try to do so.
Interesting. The "regulars" usually claim that the purpose of this group
is to answer questions about ISO C. Making moral judgments about the
motives of the questioners doesn't usually appear on the agenda - and in
this case, on grounds of pure speculation (the OP hasn't said that the
questions are homework).
> Now what you have done is to provide him with answers that he will not
> understand and will result in his having a very embarrassing meeting
> with his teacher.
With respect, that is a very patronizing attitude. I have given him some
answers; what he does with them is his business.
If I were him, I'd work through them, make sure I understood them (and
look up or ask about anything that wasn't familiar), try to spot any
errors or weaknesses or possible improvements, maybe try to understand
some of the implementation choices made, and think for myself why they
were made and what benefits and problems there would be with alternative
choices.
Personally, I think analyzing a solution to a problem one has thought
about and failed to solve can be *extremely* conducive to understanding
- in fact, it's one of the main ways I learn new things.
As you say, maybe the questions are indeed homework and he will just
turn the solutions in directly. That is his business - he has to take
personal responsibility for his actions.
> That assumes he will know where to find a curses library (which I
> somewhat doubt he will manage)
Then he can always ask here! But as the question explicitly required a
solution using getch(), presumably the textbook or class he's using has
covered this.
> No we are not mean spirited, just the contrary we are trying to get an
> apparently lazy or inattentive student to face up to his problems
> early enough to remedy them.
What evidence do you have that he's lazy or inattentive? Once again,
that is pure speculation on your part. Judging someone in the worst
possible light based on the evidence available - yes, I'd say that's
mean-spirited.
Francis Glassborow
> On 10 Jan 2010 at 15:16, Francis Glassborow wrote:
>> Antoninus Twink wrote:
>>> Then when someone DOES ask an ISO C question, you don't want to
>>> answer that either - and not only do you refuse to answer it, but you
>>> pretend to give an answer which in reality is deliberately
>>> misleading.
>> Are you for real? How would doing someone's homework be helpful? It is
>> the worst thing you could do for the OP. Yes the regulars are dead
>> right to try to persuade such students to do their work or at least
>> try to do so.
>
> Interesting. The "regulars" usually claim that the purpose of this group
> is to answer questions about ISO C. Making moral judgments about the
> motives of the questioners doesn't usually appear on the agenda - and in
> this case, on grounds of pure speculation (the OP hasn't said that the
> questions are homework).
And we also decline to do 'homework' unless there is some evidence of
effort by the OP. Look up the phrase 'tough love'.
Oh and the OP will have plenty of examples of code to work through
either from the text book or from the class he is attending.
Antoninus Twink
> And we also decline to do 'homework' unless there is some evidence of
> effort by the OP. Look up the phrase 'tough love'.
I disagree with the policy of this royal "we", for the good reasons that
I supplied in my previous post and which you didn't bother to address,
or even acknowledge.
> Oh and the OP will have plenty of examples of code to work through
> either from the text book or from the class he is attending.
Seeing different people's different styles of C can be enlightening. For
example, many textbooks adopt a rather less careful approach to error
handling than I used - the contrast may be instructive.
Kenny McCormack
Antoninus Twink <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>On 10 Jan 2010 at 15:16, Francis Glassborow wrote:
>> Antoninus Twink wrote:
>>> Then when someone DOES ask an ISO C question, you don't want to
>>> answer that either - and not only do you refuse to answer it, but you
>>> pretend to give an answer which in reality is deliberately
>>> misleading.
>>
>> Are you for real? How would doing someone's homework be helpful? It is
>> the worst thing you could do for the OP. Yes the regulars are dead
>> right to try to persuade such students to do their work or at least
>> try to do so.
>
>Interesting. The "regulars" usually claim that the purpose of this group
>is to answer questions about ISO C. Making moral judgments about the
>motives of the questioners doesn't usually appear on the agenda - and in
>this case, on grounds of pure speculation (the OP hasn't said that the
>questions are homework).
Yes. The hypocrisy is so thick you can cut it with a fork.
As you say, there is no evidence (in the scientific, not legal sense)
that this is homework. Just a bunch of speculation. Hint: If you
(I'm talking to the regs here) actually think these problems *are* homework,
then you are being thick as usual.
Andrew Poelstra
A noble goal, but given that the OP has not constructed /any/ code,
even code from his (possibly incompetent) professor or textbook, it
seems a little unlikely that he'll choose to study /your/ code in
depth.
Had he posted his own solution and asked for criticism, he would
have gotten excellent criticism, inincluding advice on making his
code stable and more portable - and there almost always is good
advice here, at least initially.
(After that, once the OP has probably left, somehow it always turns
into a fight about Standard this or real-life that, who has a Cray
in his bedroom and why all the world's a Vax.)
Richard
Indeed.
Richard
Indeed.
Richard
superpollo
> On 2010-01-10, Antoninus Twink <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> On 10 Jan 2010 at 19:47, Francis Glassborow wrote:
>>> Oh and the OP will have plenty of examples of code to work through
>>> either from the text book or from the class he is attending.
>> Seeing different people's different styles of C can be enlightening. For
>> example, many textbooks adopt a rather less careful approach to error
>> handling than I used - the contrast may be instructive.
> have gotten excellent criticism, inincluding advice on making his
> code stable and more portable - and there almost always is good
> advice here, at least initially.
i agree. i am a lurker and non-regular poster here. when i had to ask
questions, i usually tried very hard to come up myself with a possible
answer (usually wrong in many ways), then i posted it asking for advice.
guess what? i almost always got detailed commentary and explanation and
pointers for possible further study.
then again sometimes i am a bit lazy as not to follow every advice thru,
but this is my problem, not a clc issue.
bye
Flash Gordon
> Antoninus Twink wrote:
<snip>
> Are you for real? How would doing someone's homework be helpful? It is
<snip>
Do you really think he posted them to be helpful? He's a troll and did
it to try and get a rise out of people, because he knows a lot of people
actually think it's a good idea if students at least attempt their homework.
--
Flash Gordon
Antoninus Twink
> Had he posted his own solution and asked for criticism, he would
> have gotten excellent criticism
Really? That would make a change.
He'd probably get the usual bullshit about having his main() function
return an int, and not casting the return value of malloc(), and not
returning an undefined status to the implementation, and the rest of the
pedantic details the "regulars" delight in banging on about.
Useful criticism about C style above the level of minute details, or
choice of algorithm, or trade-offs to consider when implementing it? I
doubt it, not if history is anything to go by C style above the level of
minute details, or choice of algorithm, or trade-offs to consider when
implementing it? I doubt it, not if history is anything to go by.
> (After that, once the OP has probably left, somehow it always turns
> into a fight about Standard this or real-life that, who has a Cray in
> his bedroom and why all the world's a Vax.)
Yeah, funny how that works, isn't it?
Tim Streater
> On 10 Jan 2010 at 21:56, Andrew Poelstra wrote:
>> Had he posted his own solution and asked for criticism, he would
>> have gotten excellent criticism
>
> Really? That would make a change.
>
> He'd probably get the usual bullshit about having his main() function
> return an int, and not casting the return value of malloc(), and not
> returning an undefined status to the implementation, and the rest of the
> pedantic details the "regulars" delight in banging on about.
>
> Useful criticism about C style above the level of minute details, or
> choice of algorithm, or trade-offs to consider when implementing it? I
> doubt it, not if history is anything to go by C style above the level of
> minute details, or choice of algorithm, or trade-offs to consider when
> implementing it? I doubt it, not if history is anything to go by.
Got the hiccups, Twinky? Spent too much time brown-nosing Spinny?
--
Tim
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Antoninus Twink
> Got the hiccups, Twinky? Spent too much time brown-nosing Spinny?
Uh, what?
Oh, were you the crazy one again? Or was that "Nick"? I lose track...
Eric Sosman
> On 11/01/2010 20:50, Antoninus Twink wrote:
> Got the hiccups, Twinky? Spent too much time brown-nosing Spinny?
Careful, Tim! He may threaten to sue!
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Tim Streater
> I lose track...
Yes, it shows.
Lionel Pinkhard
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Lionel Pinkhard
> wahid wrote:
>> I m in a problem, i need those solution i will never disturb u people
>> again ok but send me those .
>
> That isn't how it works.
>
> You have to try yourself, or you'll never learn anything.
>
> If you get stuck, we can help, but nobody with a kind heart will do this
> homework for you, because all that doing so will teach you is management
> skills.
>
Totally agree with you, I don't care if someone thinks I'm rude by supporting
your statement, but this is just not the way to do things. If someone needs
to ask questions about C, this is the right place, if they need code written,
try Elance or RentACoder.
Lionel Pinkhard
I can understand some of the things you say, and you have some valid points,
but did he even bother to thank you?