How to pronounce char?
Patrik Ekengren
How is the data-type char pronounced?
(Is it like the beginning of character or charge?)
/Patrik (from Sweden)
Paul Hughett
Patrik Ekengren (su94...@nada.kth.se) wrote:
: How is the data-type char pronounced?
: (Is it like the beginning of character or charge?)
I personally say char(acter), but I suspect both pronunciations
are in common use. Use whichever one you find more comfortable.
Paul Hughett
Peter Seebach
In article <34F48CBE...@nada.kth.se>,
Patrik Ekengren <su94...@nada.kth.se> wrote:
>How is the data-type char pronounced?
>(Is it like the beginning of character or charge?)
It's pronounced like the first word of "char *".
The accent is on the first syllable.
This is a FAQ.
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On Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:27:27 +0100, Patrik Ekengren
<su94...@nada.kth.se> wrote:
>How is the data-type char pronounced?
>(Is it like the beginning of character or charge?)
Hi Patrik,
I'm sure this question is very important to you, and it is probably
something that has crossed the mind of every C programmer. However,
this fact leads me to believe it is a prime candidate for an FAQ.
And in fact, it is listed almost word for word the way you have asked
it in question 20.39.
http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html
I hope you find this a valuable resource.
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Patrik Ekengren wrote in message <34F48CBE...@nada.kth.se>...
>How is the data-type char pronounced?
>(Is it like the beginning of character or charge?)
Egads. We had a huge discussion on this a while back. It's probably flushed
from DejaNews by now, unfortunately.
No consensus was reached, as I recall. But I may as well state, with true
correctness, the right answers. You can pronounce it as in 'char-broiled
steak' as a reminder that if you are not careful, you might get burned. On
the other hand, you can pronounce it as in 'care-giving, gentle kindness' and
be in the proper spirit for joining Stephan Wilms' campaign against
grumpyness. Some even pronounce it as in 'car driving' to remind themselves
that if you don't maintain them properly, you might get into an accident. You
might call them byte pointers, to remind yourself that you might get bitten in
the rear if you don't watch out. But certain ones might not like that usage.
Or you can just resolve in your heart never to use them. But you will have a
hard time printing things.
Have a nice day.
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In article <34F48CBE...@nada.kth.se>, Patrik Ekengren <su94...@nada.kth.se> writes:
|> How is the data-type char pronounced?
|> (Is it like the beginning of character or charge?)
Yes.
This is addressed in both the IAQ and the FAQ for this newsgroup:
Peter Seebach has written:
19.26: How do you pronounce ``char''?
Like the first word of ``char *''. The accent is generally on the
first syllable.
However, this is a bit confusing, as I've always pronounced the first
word of "char *" as "poyn-tur". He's right about the accent, though.
Steve Summit writes:
Question 20.39
How do you pronounce ``char''?
You can pronounce the C keyword ``char'' in at least three ways: like
the English words ``char,'' ``care,'' or ``car;'' the
choice is arbitrary.
Although this answer is a bit wishy-washy, it's generally accepted by
the kind of people who char about such things.
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Chris Engebretson
|> How is the data-type char pronounced?
|> (Is it like the beginning of character or charge?)
Yes.
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Patrik Ekengren (su94...@nada.kth.se) wrote:
: How is the data-type char pronounced?
: (Is it like the beginning of character or charge?)
It's pronounced something like water-buffalo, for small values of something;
but in Swedish, probably differently. I suggest that to avoid confusion you
pronounce it the way your colleagues pronounce it. Otherwise, see the FAQ.
Doug Barnes
Patrik Ekengren wrote:
>
> How is the data-type char pronounced?
> (Is it like the beginning of character or charge?)
>
Why does it matter, (you say tomato,...)?
firewind
On 25 Feb 1998, Paul Hughett wrote:
> Patrik Ekengren (su94...@nada.kth.se) wrote:
> : How is the data-type char pronounced?
> : (Is it like the beginning of character or charge?)
>
> I personally say char(acter), but I suspect both pronunciations
> are in common use. Use whichever one you find more comfortable.
Hm. Forsaking 'kare' (as in, I care for you) and 'char' (as in, charred
to a crispy crunch), I've always gone with 'kar' (as in, I am a used car
dealer).
Anyway, it's a matter of style... :)
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GHouck
Patrik Ekengren wrote:
>
> How is the data-type char pronounced?
> (Is it like the beginning of character or charge?)
>
If this discussion persists as long as it did
the last time, I will personally put a final
char-acterization on the discussion by char-ring
my char-fully char-ried body in front of all
who char, rotating slowly on the char-ousel of
life, while a nearby char-illon plays my funeral
dirge.
Who chars?
:)
Geoff Houck
systems hk
hk...@teleport.com
http://www.teleport.com/~hksys
Kaz Kylheku
In article <34F48CBE...@nada.kth.se>,
Patrik Ekengren <su94...@nada.kth.se> wrote:
>How is the data-type char pronounced?
>(Is it like the beginning of character or charge?)
>
Oh shit, no! Not this thread again..
When was this last discussed? Sometime in 1996 or so...
In fact, on May 11, 1996, an Andy "LaLa" Chang asked:
Howdy,
I've been programmed [sic] in C for quite awhile [sic]
now, but I never learned how to prounce the character type
'char'. I have prounounced it like 'care' as in 'character'
and I have also prounounced ias as 'cha' as in 'charge'. In
both cases, people I talked to never bother to correct me.
Which one is right?
It turns out that the proper way to pronounce char is
teefcack,
after the spelling ``tfkac'', which, of course, stands for ``type formerly
known as char'', according to ANSI/ISO 9899:1956, clause 12.3.4.5.32
(Pronounciations of basic types). Though some say that ``tfcac'' is
originally due to to one Ronald I 't Velt, who posted the following
article on April 11th, 1996:
Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>
> In article <01bc4522$0dcd6360$87ee...@timpent.a-sis.com>,
> Tim Behrendsen <t...@a-sis.com> wrote:
>
> >It makes perfect sense (that's how I pronounce it). Pretend that
> >it isn't an abbreviation and say it.
> >
> >Ch - ar
> >
> >It's obvious to any moron that this is the superior pronounciation.
>
> I pronounce it @#$%. Since this can't really be spoken, each time I wish
> to prounounce char, I hold up a sign exhibiting the characters @#$%.
>
> For example, sizeof(char) would be read as:
>
> ``sizeof'', ``open parenthesis'', <hold up sign>, ``closed
parenthesis''.
But someone taking dictation from you will not type char, but @#$%. You
will need to have a statement typedef char @#$%;
To avoid this sort of thing, and fights over the pronunciation in
general, our company has decided to ban the use of the char type in any
c/c++ program. This is set down in our programming guidelines and
enforced until the ANSI committee will accept our proposal to change
char into tfkac (Type Formerly Known As Char).
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Also, from Peter Seebach, we had the following golden advice at around that
time:
That's best answered by a quote from the Infrequently Asked Questions list.
18.26: How do you pronounce ``char''?
A: Like the first word of ``char *''. The accent is generally on
the first syllable.
For more helpful answers like this one, check out
http://www.solon.com/~seebs/c/c-iaq.html
Note: the above URL is now out of date. You have to go to
www.plethora.net/~seebs/c/c-iaq.html instead.
Have fun!
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firewind wrote in message ...
|Hm. Forsaking 'kare' (as in, I care for you) and 'char' (as in, charred
|to a crispy crunch), I've always gone with 'kar' (as in, I am a used car
|dealer).
As opposed to cdr, perhaps?
Jack Klein
Patrik Ekengren <su94...@nada.kth.se> wrote in article
<34F48CBE...@nada.kth.se>...
> How is the data-type char pronounced?
> (Is it like the beginning of character or charge?)
>
> /Patrik (from Sweden)
<Jack>
Correctly, of course. :)
</Jack>
Stephan Wilms
Patrik Ekengren wrote:
>
> How is the data-type char pronounced?
> (Is it like the beginning of character or charge?)
>
> /Patrik (from Sweden)
Assignment: Try to find as many different ways to pronounce "char",
as you can. Explain each pronounciation. Make it
understandable and (if possbile) funny.
(Don't bother to reply before you have at least 10)
If you can solve that assignment satisfactorily, you'll get one
system specific answer for free.
Stephan (from Germany)
(initiator of the campaign against grumpiness in c.l.c)
Stephan Wilms
firewind wrote:
>
> On 25 Feb 1998, Paul Hughett wrote:
>
> > : How is the data-type char pronounced?
> > : (Is it like the beginning of character or charge?)
> >
> > are in common use. Use whichever one you find more comfortable.
>
> to a crispy crunch), I've always gone with 'kar' (as in, I am a used car
> dealer).
>
Here's a new one: you could pronounce it as the beginning of
"cherish".
Stephan
A.van.Kessel
Patrik Ekengren <su94...@nada.kth.se> wrote:
>How is the data-type char pronounced?
>(Is it like the beginning of character or charge?)
>
>
>
Not.
It should *never* be pronounced.
It can be typed into a file and this file could be fed to a compiler.
Talking to a compiler is a symptom of severe mental disorder.
Go see a debugger!
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In <Pine.LNX.3.95.98022...@metroid.dyn.ml.org>
firewind <fire...@metroid.dyn.ml.org> writes:
>On 25 Feb 1998, Paul Hughett wrote:
>> Patrik Ekengren (su94...@nada.kth.se) wrote:
>> : How is the data-type char pronounced?
>> : (Is it like the beginning of character or charge?)
>>
>> I personally say char(acter), but I suspect both pronunciations
>> are in common use. Use whichever one you find more comfortable.
>
> Hm. Forsaking 'kare' (as in, I care for you) and 'char' (as in,
> charred to a crispy crunch), I've always gone with 'kar' (as in, I
> am a used car dealer).
>
> Anyway, it's a matter of style... :)
Personally, I avoid using [kar] since that's the pronunciation I more
commonly associate with the Lisp 'car' operator. This leaves [tshar]
and [ker], of which which the former has connotations of something
burnt and carbonized, leaving the latter as reasonable.
So, yes, as you say, it's a matter of style :)
-M
P.S.- A note on pronunciation:
Symbol American English approx. Phonetic
[a] 'c[a]r' (i.e. automobile) low-back-unround-vowel
[e] 'w[ay]' mid-front-unround-tense-vowel
[tsh] '[ch]urch' voiceless-palatal-affricate
[r] '[r]am' retroflex-approximant
[k] '[k]ill' voiceless-velar-plosive
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John Winters
In article <6d244n$7vb$1...@netnews.upenn.edu>,
Paul Hughett <hug...@chaplin.med.upenn.edu> wrote:
>Patrik Ekengren (su94...@nada.kth.se) wrote:
>: How is the data-type char pronounced?
>: (Is it like the beginning of character or charge?)
>
>I personally say char(acter), but I suspect both pronunciations
>are in common use.
This of course depends on how you pronounce "character". The American
version shortens fairly easily, but the English one doesn't. Perhaps
there are others too?
> Use whichever one you find more comfortable.
Indeed.
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Martin Ambuhl <mam...@tiac.net> wrote in article
<6d3223$p...@news-central.tiac.net>...
>
> firewind wrote in message ...
>
> |to a crispy crunch), I've always gone with 'kar' (as in, I am a used car
> |dealer).
>
Richard Stamp
In article <6d49qu$2rd$1...@polo.demon.co.uk>,
John Winters <jo...@polo.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>This of course depends on how you pronounce "character". The American
>version shortens fairly easily, but the English one doesn't. Perhaps
>there are others too?
OK, I'll bite.
RP ("standard") English pronunciation: kariktu(r) where 'a' is as in 'cat',
'i' is as in 'bit' and 'u' is schwa (like the way you pronounce the word 'a'
when you're not stressing it). The final 'r' is sounded if the following
word begins with a vowel.
So how do they/you pronounce it on the other side of the pond?
Cheers,
Richard
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