Who is God or Allah ?

[rami18]

Hello..

Who is God or Allah ?

There is still a question to ask..

Why God or Allah has abondonned us over this planet ?

This question is very serious..

And the answer is that the message onto the prophet Mohamed is a message
from extraterrestrials, Allah is just extraterrestrials that
are not God as we know, but those extraterrestrials are limited in there
power, it's not them who have created us and they are not God or Allah
as we know it, but those extraterrestrials have just enhanced the
prophet Mohamed to be able to invent himself the Koran, this is why the
Koran is an arab imperfection, because those extraterrestrials have not
given perfection to the prophet Mohamed, and this explains also why
those extraterrestrials have abondonned us, because they are
not so much interested in us, those extraterrestrials have
helped us a little bit to be able to organize as judaism or as
islam or as christians.

That's i think the true story of those religions.


Thank you,
Amine Moulay Ramdane.

[rami18]

Hello,


This was my last post on Islam and religions.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Friday, May 26, 2017, rami18 wrote:
> [about Islam]

The truth about Islam:

A "religion of peace":
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/myths/peace.aspx

Lying allowed ... when Islam's agenda is advanced:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx

Marriage to 6-year old, consummation when she was 9:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/muhammads-sex-life.aspx

Side-by-side compare Islam/Allah to Christianity/Jesus:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/jesus-muhammad.aspx

Muhammad died. And he is still dead. Islam teaches you must
convert people to Islam, and do so forcibly if they will not
convert, and if you cannot get them convert by applying physical
pressure and threats, then you must force them to become a type
of money-paying slave to keep them alive, or you must kill them.
They do not get more time through life and living to consider or
re-consider their decision, but are to be killed right there on
the spot, or made into a slave paying the equivalent of mob
"protection money" so they will be kept alive.

Islam is in all ways of the flesh, a total religion (meaning it's
all by rote and not by the spirit of God), and evil. It only
forcibly advances, or kills.

The only reason you don't see more overt killing in the general
Islamic population is the same reason you don't see more holy
Christians living as Jesus called us to in Christianity ...
because people are reprobate and do not follow their leader's
teachings more explicitly (as they should in the case of
Christianity because it's important, see Hebrews 12:14 -- "Follow
peace with all men, and holiness, without which no one shall see
the Lord" http://biblehub.com/hebrews/12-14.htm ).

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If you want to know what truth is, Amine, then read about the
Jesus of the Bible, and not the corrupt "Jesus" from the Quran.
You'll find a completely different person in the Quran from the
Jesus of the Bible. And if you examine the two side-by-side,
you'll see what Napoleon concluded regarding Christianity:

http://biblehub.com/library/schaff/the_person_of_christ/napoleon_bonaparte.htm

"I know men; and I tell you that Jesus Christ is not a man.
Superficial minds see a resemblance between Christ and the
founders of empires, and the gods of other religions. That
resemblance does not exist. There is between Christianity
and whatever other religions the distance of infinity.

"We can say to the authors of every other religion, You are
neither gods, nor the agents of the Deity. You are but missionaries
of falsehood, moulded from the same clay with the rest of mortals.
You are made with all the passions and vices inseparable from
them. Your temples and your priests proclaim your origin.' Such
will be the judgment, the cry of conscience, of whoever examines
the gods and the temples of paganism."

The truth is there, Amine. The real Jesus of the Bible stands at the
door of your soul and knocks. He wants to teach you the way of love,
and of peace, and of life eternal, and of being part of a community
of man looking to help and build up and strengthen one another, because
that's who He is. He wants to teach you of sin, and of the active
enemy of God who is deceiving people into believing in false religions
like Islam. He wants to reveal to you the differences between Him, and
them, so you can know the truth, and that truth will make you free.

You owe it to yourself to investigate this. You'll find out the key
to unlocking the transformation from being a Muslim to being a
Christian:

Testimony after testimony of Muslims who turned to Jesus,
and why they did so:

www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=youtube+muslim+to+christian

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

[Vassilis Spiliopoulos]

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Islam is a retarded religion.

[Mr Flibble]

On 26/05/2017 21:25, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
> Islam is a retarded religion.

All religion is retarded.

/Flibble

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Christianity is not a religion. For some that's all it is, but
for those who are born again they know what Christianity is: A
total transformation from the inside out. It is a new birth
beyond the first birth. It's like our first birth launches us
up to a certain point, and we are amazing and wholly expressive
people of many attributes, but because of sin we are diminished,
restrained, constrained from our full nature.

Coming to Jesus and asking forgiveness allows us to literally
be forgiven for our sin, restoring us to a sin-free condition
before God. This restores our full nature, and that initial
launch of our first birth is then catapulted into the Heavens
and we see so much we didn't see before. We rise to a new and
truly profound relationship with God, as He dwells with us daily.

Jesus Christ makes all things new. Inside first, leading to
outward changes, and eternal life.

No religion can do that, but only God alone, and it is only the
beginning of our eternal relationship with Him, seen here on
Earth as through a glass darkly, but then after we leave this
world: Face to face.

Jesus forgives your sin and gives you new life, eternal life.

[Real Troll]

Islam is more retarded than any other religion. It allows paedophilia
and their prophet was a serial paedophile. Their Koran hasn't changed
ever and so Muslims are still living in caves. To get refuge, they ask
Christians for help. Ask Ramine about it. He is a Moroccon Muslim.

[Jerry Stuckle]

Christianity is a religion - no matter what you claim.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Christianity

And thousands of other references, vs. Rick. I'll bet even your
priest/pastor/minister would agree.

And if Christianity is not a religion, then your church has no grounds
for a religious exemption from taxes.

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[Rick C. Hodgin]

As I have stated, for many that is all it will ever be. But for the
born again we recognize that religion has almost nothing to do with
Christianity.

Here are some examples from various people:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rFvNIiPKiI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZHKsAgg4Kk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azWJ-MtxR2Q

And here's Biblical guidance on what religion is:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/james/1-27.htm
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this,
To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to
keep himself unspotted from the world.

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Modern man has made religion into church buildings and businesses. It
was never intended to be that way, and it is literally Satan infiltrating
the church and converting men and women following after God's Holy Spirit,
purposed on saving men's eternal souls from damnation, into a battle over
whether or not new business is out of order with regards to Robert's Rules
for Order in business meetings which supplant Bible Study one day a month,
as required by the legal statutes for corporations.

The real church is something different. And it's not religion.

http://biblehub.com/acts/4-32.htm
32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and
of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things
which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection
of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.

That early church changed the world. They didn't have PowerPoint
charts with teaching plans for modern Christianity. They brought
forth the blood, and they brought forward men's sin. They brought
forward our nature, and our need for a Savior, and they brought forth
the love of God in that while we were yet sinners Christ came to save
us.

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The modern "church" is so impotent in changing men's hearts because it
is focused on matters of the flesh. Five point programs which tell you
about nothing of God. You go home having seen a good performance and a
good show, but you're not moving toward holiness, you're not repenting,
you're not moving toward outreach and teaching, but are just looking for
your best life now, and trying to figure out which restaurant you should
go to after the service is over.

It is only when you focus upon God's Holy Spirit and pursue it with
vigor that you begin to realize what Christianity really is. It is a
relationship with God, an ongoing partnership where He is with you
guiding you to constant appointments where you encounter this soul,
and that soul, and impact them for His Kingdom. You don't use profanity
ever. You don't berate people ever. You are always teaching, always
listening to His inner guidance through the Holy Spirit, and you are
always behaving as an ambassador of God, a royal priest, a servant
unto all.

You are that carnal Christian, Jerry. You do not follow or pursue God's
Holy Spirit. I have tried to tell you this many times, but you are so
convinced that you are walking on the right path that you are blind to
the fact you are not only not walking on the right path, but are marching
straight into Hell.

If you do want to know what it means to be a real Christian, then press
in and ask God to show you, otherwise you are only someone who has some
form of religion, appeasing your conscience from time to time as you
march yourself steadily on the way to Hell.

[Jerry Stuckle]

Then if your church is not a religion, it should not be tax exempt. How
much has your church paid in taxes on the amount they take in for the
last 10 years?

If it's nothing, then according to your statement your minister, church
council and all other leaders should be jailed for tax evasion.

As for me being carnal - I strongly suggest you read Matthew 7:1-5
before making any statements about someone else's beliefs.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

I have read those verses, and the rest of the New Testament.
It's why I've written what I have to you these several times.
You are not born again, Jerry. You are not saved. You provide
e
Matthew 7:16,20 evidence which is on display.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 12:15:14 PM UTC-4, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> Then if your church is not a religion, it should not be tax exempt. How
> much has your church paid in taxes on the amount they take in for the
> last 10 years?
>
> If it's nothing, then according to your statement your minister, church
> council and all other leaders should be jailed for tax evasion.

Here is my position on obeying man's laws:

https://groups.google.com/forum/?nomobile=true#!topic/comp.arch.fpga/t20eW_i-pJs

Specifically the post with this text:

But, until other people engage in that same philosophy,
we must honor the requests of other people when they make
decisions for themselves, such as releasing something
under copyright. We honor their requests up until those
requests directly contradict the teachings of God:

The same holds true for obeying governmental bodies, up until
it contradicts God's teaching, meaning at some point it will
be required that people take the mark. God says whoever takes
the mark is damned. So, obey God in that case, not man's law.

[James Moe]

On 05/26/2017 01:25 PM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
> Islam is a retarded religion.
>

What reason do you have for re-posting the complete OP, adding a
comment unrelated specifically to the OP?

--
James Moe
jmm-list at sohnen-moe dot com
Think.

[Jerry Stuckle]

Christians do not judge others. They leave that up to God. Heretics do
judge others, however.

Which are you? Be careful before you answer, Rick.

[Jerry Stuckle]

And is your belief a religion, or do your church leaders belong in jail
for tax evasion? Even Jesus spoke on it - Matthew 22:21.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Saturday, May 27, 2017, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> [snip]

You do not understand, Jerry. I pray sometime you do.

[Jerry Stuckle]

Rick, I understand more than you think.

Why don't you answer my questions? They are very valid ones. Maybe
because you don't have an answer?

Real Christians can answer my questions.

[Mr Flibble]

On 27/05/2017 00:16, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> Christianity is not a religion.

"Christianity[note 1] is an Abrahamic monotheistic[1] religion based on
the life and teachings of Jesus Christ, who serves as the focal point
for the religion. It is the world's largest religion,[2][3] with over
2.4 billion followers,[4][5][6] or 33% of the global population, known
as Christians.[note 2] Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God
and the savior of humanity whose coming as the Messiah (the Christ) was
prophesied in the Old Testament.[7]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity

/Flibble

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 8:13:57 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 27/05/2017 00:16, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > Christianity is not a religion.
>

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity

If you want to know the truth, see my reply to Jerry with the
three YouTube videos.

Jesus wants to forgive your sin without judgment, begin the
process of healing, and guiding you from this day forward,
because He loves you, Leigh, as His special creation of man.

[Jerry Stuckle]

But you won't answer serious questions about your religion. That and
the fact you continue to pollute this and other newsgroups with
off-topic posts says everything about you.

Your deeds show what you are, Rick. And you will answer to God for your
sins.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Sat May 27, 2017, Jerry Stuckle wrote to Rick C. Hodgin:
> But you won't answer serious questions about your religion.

I already answered your question, but you didn't recognize my
answer.

[Jerry Stuckle]

No, you didn't answer my question. You evaded it. There was nothing to
recognize.

So, answer my question in your own words. Is your church part of a
religion, or do the leaders belong in jail for tax evasion?

You can't have it both ways.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 10:19:09 PM UTC-4, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 5/27/2017 10:05 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Sat May 27, 2017, Jerry Stuckle wrote to Rick C. Hodgin:
> >> But you won't answer serious questions about your religion.
> >
> > I already answered your question, but you didn't recognize my
> > answer.
>

> No, you didn't answer my question. You evaded it. There was nothing to
> recognize.
>
> So, answer my question in your own words. Is your church part of a
> religion, or do the leaders belong in jail for tax evasion?
>
> You can't have it both ways.

You are needlessly argumentative, Jerry, and you're looking to
create controversy where none exists. 2 Tim 2:23.

I have already answered you. Dig a little deeper than you're
doing and you'll see it. This is my last reply to you on
this matter.

[Jerry Stuckle]

No, I'm not, Rick. I am asking valid questions which you refuse to
answer.

A REAL Christian can and would answer these questions. But you follow
Satan, as evidenced by your actions in this and other newsgroups. You
do your best to steer people AWAY from Jesus, while claiming you are a
Christian.

[Mr Flibble]

If you attend a Christian church then you are a follower of the
Christian religion (albeit a sect of that religion).

/Flibble

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 11:43:30 AM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> If you attend a Christian church then you are a follower of the
> Christian religion (albeit a sect of that religion).

Listen to this video and try to understand the difference between
religion and relationship (at 0:47):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZHKsAgg4Kk&t=0m47s

And specifically this part (at 1:30):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZHKsAgg4Kk&t=1m30s

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Religious Christians are part of a religion. They go to church
because it's what you do on Sunday, and on Wednesday for Bible
Study. It's different than being born again.

All born again Christians are in any church building they go to for
reasons different than religion. Man's laws will divvy up the portion
of this grouping of believers into their legal systems, labeling them
as something like "a religious organization," but it was not way
from the beginning:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/acts/2.htm
44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men,
as every man had need.
46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and
breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with
gladness and singleness of heart,
47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the
Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

And the church is not that way now. People who follow after Christ
don't do so because a book tells them what to do. The information
in the Bible is critical in understand our sin as sin, and in guiding
those who believe toward the things He has for us to do. But our
drive does not come from that book, nor from the assembly of some
people in a building. It is different. It is spirit. And it
drives us from within, so that we, guided by His Holy Spirit, in
fellowship with Him continually, move as to profit in service to
His Kingdom.

All of this is information you do not have, cannot possess, and
will conclude in your flesh-based arrogance that it is wrong. And
all I have to offer you is that which I've been through, and which
all born again believers have been through, which is that there is
a change which takes place when you come to Jesus Christ and ask
forgiveness for your sin.

When you come to the foot of the cross, and leave your sin there,
you emerge a changed person forever. And it is from within that
change only that these things I teach can be understood.

No one can come to Jesus unless God the Father draw him from within:

http://biblehub.com/john/6-44.htm

It requires a change by God to even be able to hear the message,
Leigh. It's why you can't hear it today. You aren't looking for
the truth, and you have not yet been drawn by God to be able to
even receive it.

[Mr Flibble]

On 29/05/2017 23:03, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
>
> It requires a change by God to even be able to hear the message,
> Leigh. It's why you can't hear it today. You aren't looking for
> the truth, and you have not yet been drawn by God to be able to
> even receive it.
>

Your god doesn't exist though; I know this because I know evolution is a
fact.

/Flibble

[Melzzzzz]

Evolution does not debunks gods, rather Bible...



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[Mr Flibble]

On 30/05/2017 17:36, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On 2017-05-30, Mr Flibble <fli...@i42.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 29/05/2017 23:03, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> It requires a change by God to even be able to hear the message,
>>> Leigh. It's why you can't hear it today. You aren't looking for
>>> the truth, and you have not yet been drawn by God to be able to
>>> even receive it.
>>>
>>
>> Your god doesn't exist though; I know this because I know evolution is a
>> fact.
>
> Evolution does not debunks gods, rather Bible...

Evolution does not debunk gods in general but it can debunk specific
gods such as Rick's god (the god of Abraham). If you can falsify the
Bible then you can falsify anything predicated on the Bible being true.

/Flibble

[Rick C. Hodgin]

You've been taught evolution is a fact, so it's natural to believe
that. But modern DNA / genetics research is proving that evolution
is impossible, outside of minor variations within an already-existing
species, because the complexities involved to get from A to B are
beyond impossible. In fact, the complexities to get from A.00000001
to A.00000002 are beyond impossible.

I know it's a difficult pill to swallow, Leigh, but you really have
been lied to by mainstream science and all mainstream knowledge
bases since you were born. It's what the mainstream in this world
does because it's trying to keep you from coming to the truth and
coming to Jesus and asking forgiveness and saving your eternal soul
from death.

I ask you to look into the DNA research and see for yourself if
what I claim is true. To find out the complexities involved, and
how many errors are introduced in trying to change even one thing
in the genome, as by moving from A to B.

Cats always produce cats. Dogs always produce dogs. There are
never any cases where Xyz produces a non-Xyz, but only there are
pre-programmed, allowable variations within the design, so that
any new changes will only work within their pre-existing allowance
for those changes.

[Melzzzzz]

Bible is easily debunked.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 12:56:11 PM UTC-4, Melzzzzz wrote:
> Bible is easily debunked.

You're going to be in for a real shocker on that last day, Melzzzzz.

I pray you turn to Jesus before that day so you are spared an
eternity consumed in unending Hellfire because you would not
hear the truth in this world).

You are valuable, Melzzzzz. Jesus offers you forgiveness without
judgment. He'll begin the process of healing and guiding you from
this day forward, and He'll give you eternal life in the paradise of
Heaven.

It is that which the enemy is trying to keep you from by speaking
his lies, as if they are authoritative over God and truth. They are
not. The devil lies for one purpose: to keep you condemned to Hell
with him and his sorry self.

[Mr Flibble]

So much gibberish I'm afraid Rick. It is obvious that you do not
understand the process of speciation.

/Flibble

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 1:09:15 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> It is obvious that you do not understand the process of speciation.

There is another model which explains it, Leigh. And that model also
aligns with the flood, and what we see in nature, and in science, and
in laboratories today. It does not require any leaps of faith to
understand, except for one: that we were created by God for a real
purpose. The rest of the things we can examine align perfectly with
the theory.

Here's the video that explains it (begins at 7:58):
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbODW6XO8zY&t=7m58s

There are also books and articles. But the gist goes like this:

(1) Master kinds of each animal were created by God.

(2) They were programmed by God to diversify through
each generation. Adam had all of the different
people forms within him, and each generation created
variations from Adam which went out to the various
forms, which later were used to group people together
at the Tower of Babel, so that like-appearance people
went off to the same areas because they could speak
the same language.

(3) This method was to create diverse forms from the
master form over time.

(4) We see the same changes today, such as breeding to
particular forms. You cannot go back to the original
form from the more specialized form because there's
been a reduction of genetic expression through the
specialized generations, but you can take the original
form and get once again to the more specialized form
because that information is still there.

It's the same with all life.

[Mr Flibble]

You think you have an answer to every rebuttal but alas all your answers
are in fact the same (effectively a jumbly word salad) and of course all
are equally wrong.

/Flibble

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Have you examined them so you are speaking on exhaustive research?
Or is this conclusion based on what you've been taught previously?

It's new research into genetics, Leigh, only conducted within the
last 15 years, and even more specifically findings published only
in the last 3 or 4 years.

And the evidence is pointing scientists to a re-examination of their
prior firmly held beliefs.

Did you know that over 80% of what was once considered "junk DNA"
has been found operating in a regulatory capacity in our genetic
makeup? And that 80% is admitted by the researchers to be a very
conservative number because they can only scientifically prove
that percentage, but there are hints it is much higher, and many
of the scientists believe they'll eventually find it's 100%.

This information is out there, Leigh, but it doesn't get mainstream
publication or acceptance because there's an enemy at work in this
world who wants your soul destroyed in Hell.

The truth is before you, Leigh. Seek it out. Search it out. Go
deep and examine far. Do the research on your own, to your own
satisfaction. You'll find what I'm telling you, and not because
I'm somehow imposing a viewpoint upon you, but because it's what
the literal evidence points you toward.

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I'm asking you to prove to yourself what I'm saying, if it's right
or wrong. It's the only way you can know for sure if the Biblical
viewpoint is correct or not, because right now you're guessing,
and it's a big thing to put a guess on.

[Mr Flibble]

Yet more word salad jumbly.

/Flibble

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 3:54:36 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> Yet more word salad jumbly.

If it were me, I'd want to know. I wouldn't find peace until I knew
if what I "knew" was real, or if it was only something I had been
taught that didn't stand up to direct scrutiny.

That's actually how I came to faith, Leigh. I didn't want to guess
I was right, but I wanted to know ... so I began investigating, and
in so doing set my sights on coming to the truth even if it meant
unraveling what I previously thought I knew. I was convinced I was
right, so I was expecting to find my viewpoint. But the truth took
hold of my life and changed everything.

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There's no shame in being wrong. The enemy we face is not a small
enemy. He's pulled the wool over the eyes of the vast majority of
people on this world because of sin. Satan and his demon agents
are working all around us continually, guiding us, prompting us,
and leading us directly away from the things of God. They make it
easy to follow paths toward self-destruction, and difficult to
follow paths of truth.

If you ever come to faith you'll know what I mean.