Usenet group for compiler development

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Is there a Usenet group explicitly devoted to literal C or C++ compiler
development? Specifically in the areas of optimization techniques?

TYIA.

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Rick C. Hodgin

[Philipp Klaus Krause]

Am 09.04.19 um 21:43 schrieb Rick C. Hodgin:

> Is there a Usenet group explicitly devoted to literal C or C++ compiler
> development?  Specifically in the areas of optimization techniques?
>
> TYIA.
>

Not specific to C/C++ or optimization:

comp.compilers

[Juha Nieminen]

In comp.lang.c++ Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there a Usenet group explicitly devoted to literal C or C++ compiler
> development? Specifically in the areas of optimization techniques?

Unfortunately usenet is pretty much dead by this point. I doubt you'll find
much activity on usenet groups. This might be one of the very few groups
that have at least a modicum of activity.

Most communities have moved to web-based forums and Discord.

[Bart]

Which ones, things like stackoverflow? Those are extremely unfriendly
and officious. Plus they don't tolerate any sort of discussion. You must
ask a precise question, one that hasn't been asked before, and get only
precise, on-topic answers. And every single thing gets voted on.

Sod that.

Anyway, for general discussion on language design, but also compilers,
there is comp.lang.misc. Although usually dead, it sometimes briefly
comes into life, as it has at the minute. It just needs someone to post
there.

It's also unmoderated, unlike comp.compilers, where discussions are
likely to be terminated if the moderator doesn't like them. But it also
is only updated every few days at the whim of the moderator.

[Alf P. Steinbach]

On 10.04.2019 11:21, Bart wrote:
> On 10/04/2019 09:59, Juha Nieminen wrote:
>> In comp.lang.c++ Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Is there a Usenet group explicitly devoted to literal C or C++ compiler
>>> development?  Specifically in the areas of optimization techniques?
>>
>> Unfortunately usenet is pretty much dead by this point. I doubt you'll
>> find
>> much activity on usenet groups. This might be one of the very few groups
>> that have at least a modicum of activity.
>>
>> Most communities have moved to web-based forums and Discord.
>>
>
> Which ones, things like stackoverflow? Those are extremely unfriendly
> and officious. Plus they don't tolerate any sort of discussion. You must
> ask a precise question, one that hasn't been asked before, and get only
> precise, on-topic answers. And every single thing gets voted on.
>
> Sod that.

Lols. AOL. :)

[snip]

Cheers!,

- Alf

[BGB]

On 4/10/2019 4:21 AM, Bart wrote:
> On 10/04/2019 09:59, Juha Nieminen wrote:
>> In comp.lang.c++ Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Is there a Usenet group explicitly devoted to literal C or C++ compiler
>>> development?  Specifically in the areas of optimization techniques?
>>
>> Unfortunately usenet is pretty much dead by this point. I doubt you'll
>> find
>> much activity on usenet groups. This might be one of the very few groups
>> that have at least a modicum of activity.
>>
>> Most communities have moved to web-based forums and Discord.
>>
>
> Which ones, things like stackoverflow? Those are extremely unfriendly
> and officious. Plus they don't tolerate any sort of discussion. You must
> ask a precise question, one that hasn't been asked before, and get only
> precise, on-topic answers. And every single thing gets voted on.
>
> Sod that.
>
> Anyway, for general discussion on language design, but also compilers,
> there is comp.lang.misc. Although usually dead, it sometimes briefly
> comes into life, as it has at the minute. It just needs someone to post
> there.

Yep.

Not really much great alternatives-wise. There are also mailing lists,
..., but they are typically specific to specific projects.


In my case, I have my own compiler which currently mostly compiles C,
and my BS2 language (sorta), a custom language (BS2), ... But, these
don't generate a whole lot of conversation.

Most notable thing about my compiler is that I have done things quite a
bit different than GCC. For example, using a stack-based IR for
statically linked libraries (though, the backend codegen itself uses
three-address-code), ...

BS2 is reasonably conservative, more or less sort of like a C/Java/C#
hybrid but without a garbage collector, and intended to have a lower
overhead and fit better into real-time applications (eg: motor control).
But, hasn't gained much ground here even in my own projects (C remains
dominant for this; and BS2 still tends to have a higher runtime overhead
than C).

I also have my own CPU ISA project (64-bit RISC variant with variable
length 16/32/48-bit instructions), in which a disproportionate amount of
effort has gone (mostly used as a VM, and still working on trying to
make a usable FPGA soft core).

...

> It's also unmoderated, unlike comp.compilers, where discussions are
> likely to be terminated if the moderator doesn't like them. But it also
> is only updated every few days at the whim of the moderator.

And also annoying as a lot of the times I have tried responding to
anything there, the posts don't get approved (seemingly just silently
dropped), so isn't really worth the effort of writing them...

But, the repetitive posts about 'Seed7' are OK?...

[Thiago Adams]

I just created a google group for that:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/c-compilers

Everyone is invited, Bart, BGB, Jacob.
You are invited as well but you will be the only person
whose messages will be moderated (and you know why).

[Rick C. Hodgin]

I do not post evangelical messages to private / moderated groups.
I respect the rights of the individual(s) in charge to shoulder the
personal accountability burden before God as to what they deem to
be appropriate subject matters for those things which are under
their direct control. They alone will face God to give an account
of their choices, and that's their right.

I appreciate the offer, Thiago, but you have demonstrated your-
self to be an enemy of God and me, not interested in seeking the
truth or helping me out knowing who I am and why I am pursuing
this information (to build a foundation up based on people freely
offering their knowledge to me, a Christian, for the purposes of
building up an offering unto God in the form of this software
project I am actively pursuing).

As such, I will find another forum.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Alf P. Steinbach]

:)

Maybe we all should migrate to a Google Group equivalent.

After all the comp.std.c++ folks did (I believe the groups are
referenced over at isocpp.com).

This suggestion just half in jest.


Cheers!,

- Alf

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 4/10/2019 3:43 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Is there a Usenet group explicitly devoted to literal C or C++ compiler
> development? Specifically in the areas of optimization techniques?
>

2 existing newsgroups:

comp.compilers
comp.compilers.lcc

Just do a search for "compiler" in the newsgroup list.

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[Daniel]

On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 at 5:21:13 AM UTC-4, Bart wrote:
>
> Which ones, things like stackoverflow? Those are extremely unfriendly
> and officious. Plus they don't tolerate any sort of discussion.

But isn't that a subjective and argumentative point, to say the least of it?

Anyway, my first and only question on stackoverflow was related to placement
new and alignment rules in the context of a custom container. I immediately
got downvoted for asking a silly question (my reputation becoming -1), and
scolded for not just using an array. I then asked on comp.lang.c++ and
comp.lang.c++.moderated, and it was answered by Bo Persson.

Daniel

[Tim Rentsch]

Daniel <daniel...@gmail.com> writes:

> [...] my first and only question on stackoverflow was related to

> placement new and alignment rules in the context of a custom
> container. I immediately got downvoted for asking a silly question
> (my reputation becoming -1), and scolded for not just using an
> array. I then asked on comp.lang.c++ and comp.lang.c++.moderated,
> and it was answered by Bo Persson.

An unfortunate aspect of stackoverflow is its catering to a
culture of a continual popularity contest. I don't participate
on stackoverflow, and experiences like this one are part of the
reason why.

[Melzzzzz]

I don't like stackoverflow at all...

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