Hell is real, so is Heaven

[Rick C. Hodgin]

It's not popular in this world to remind people of this, but
Hell is real. It is eternal. It is unending torment, and
everyone who does not come to Jesus asking forgiveness for
their sin will go there after they leave this world.

Heaven is real. It is the place created by God for our eternal
existence. It is a paradise by Earthly standards, where even
the streets are paved with gold ... and how much more the truly
precious things?

You may not like this reminder, but you need to hear it. If
you do not have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ,
where you've come to Him asking forgiveness, and make Him the
foremost consideration in your life ... then after you die you
will enter into Hell.

God teaches us this BEFORE we die so we have time and space to
repent of our sin, ask forgiveness and be saved.

All of your accomplishments, all of your contributions to this
world, all of the people you've cared about, all of the things
you've done ... all of it will come to nothing in the end.

The only thing that will endure with you is your relationship
with Christ, the things you did for Him, and the lives you've
impacted by spreading word and knowledge of Him to others, so
that they too might be saved.

Today is the day for you to get right with God, to repent of
YOUR sin, to ask for and receive forgiveness for all you've
done, and to begin your new life living for Christ first, and
all other things second.

Eternity is only one heartbeat away. Do you want to spend it
in eternal torment, or in something fit for God's own dwelling
place... a true paradise with the maker of the universe. The
choice is yours. Make it a good one.

Jesus is ready, willing, able, and longing even, to forgive
your sin. All you have to do is ask Him. You'll be set free
in a way you never imagined that very moment. It will change
your life from the inside out forever.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

Don't be fooled by the peddlers of fake religions and fake gods. Follow
the one true god: The Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Hell is real: hell is distance from pasta sauce.
Heaven is real: heaven is to be at one with pasta sauce.

But I need proof that your religion is the correct one! I hear you shout...

The Flying Spaghetti Monster is the one true god because it is so written
in The Bible of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and The Bible
of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is correct because it is so
written in The Bible of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster

--
“You won’t burn in hell. But be nice anyway.” – Ricky Gervais

“I see Atheists are fighting and killing each other again, over who
doesn’t believe in any God the most. Oh, no..wait.. that never happens.” –
Ricky Gervais

"Suppose it's all true, and you walk up to the pearly gates, and are
confronted by God," Bryne asked on his show The Meaning of Life. "What
will Stephen Fry say to him, her, or it?"
"I'd say, bone cancer in children? What's that about?" Fry replied.
"How dare you? How dare you create a world to which there is such misery
that is not our fault. It's not right, it's utterly, utterly evil."
"Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a
world that is so full of injustice and pain. That's what I would say."

[Kenny McCormack]

In article <y1IVD.422856$qL3....@fx29.fr7>,

Mr Flibble <flibbleREM...@i42.co.uk> wrote:
>Don't be fooled by the peddlers of fake religions and fake gods. Follow
>the one true god: The Flying Spaghetti Monster.
>
>Hell is real: hell is distance from pasta sauce.
>Heaven is real: heaven is to be at one with pasta sauce.
>
>But I need proof that your religion is the correct one! I hear you shout...
>
>The Flying Spaghetti Monster is the one true god because it is so written
>in The Bible of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and The Bible
>of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is correct because it is so
>written in The Bible of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster

It really is funny the fact that Rick is so stupid that he is incapable of
realizing how accurate this post is - and how much his own religion is no
better (and no worse) than yours.

Point of fact: They're all the same.

And as the wise man sayeth: They can't all be right. But they can all be wrong.

--
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough
men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

George Orwell

[Melzzzzz]

On 2018-12-29, Kenny McCormack <gaz...@shell.xmission.com> wrote:
> In article <y1IVD.422856$qL3....@fx29.fr7>,
> Mr Flibble <flibbleREM...@i42.co.uk> wrote:
>>Don't be fooled by the peddlers of fake religions and fake gods. Follow
>>the one true god: The Flying Spaghetti Monster.
>>
>>Hell is real: hell is distance from pasta sauce.
>>Heaven is real: heaven is to be at one with pasta sauce.
>>
>>But I need proof that your religion is the correct one! I hear you shout...
>>
>>The Flying Spaghetti Monster is the one true god because it is so written
>>in The Bible of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and The Bible
>>of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is correct because it is so
>>written in The Bible of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
>
> It really is funny the fact that Rick is so stupid that he is incapable of
> realizing how accurate this post is - and how much his own religion is no
> better (and no worse) than yours.
>
> Point of fact: They're all the same.
>
> And as the wise man sayeth: They can't all be right. But they can all be wrong.
>

Rick is brainwashed cultist. No point in discussing with him...

--
press any key to continue or any other to quit...

[Rick C. Hodgin]

You were created for a purpose. That purpose extends beyond the
confines of this Earthly life. We are creations made in God's
own image. We have an eternal soul, we have a spirit component,
and we have a physical body. These allow us to interact with
the various dimensions God has created.

However, because of Adam's sin, he died spiritually when he dis-
obeyed God's one command that's recorded in the Bible, to not
eat from the "Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil." Adam and
his wife Eve did eat from that tree, and the Bible records Adam
died and by his death did death pass on to all men.

But the Bible also records Adam lived long after that day, and
he lived to the age of 930 years old, and then he died.

How can both accounts be true? How can Adam have died on the
day he ate the fruit, but continue to live hundreds of years
longer?

One possibility is the use of the word "day" is something like
"In my father's day," or "back in my day," which means not a
literal 24-hour period, but rather something else like a general
period of time. However, there is more revelation given in the
Bible over time to convey the full meaning of what God meant when
He taught us that on that day Adam died.

We learn about the spirit nature, and how we are three-fold be-
ings, just as God is and made us in His own image. He is God
the Father, Son, Holy Spirit, just as we are soul, body, spirit.
He has an eternal soul nature (God the Father), and a physical
presence nature (the Son, Jesus), and a spirit nature (His Holy
Spirit). We likewise have these same three components, but be-
cause of sin, our spirit nature (our eternal nature) is dead.

How can our spirit nature be made alive again? To answer that,
ask why our spirit nature died in the first place? It died when
Adam sinned. So to bring our spirit nature back alive, our sin
must be removed from us.

This is where Jesus enters in.

Jesus came to this world to live a sin-free life, to teach us
about God and His Love, and to show us that love put into prac-
tice by what He did for us at the cross.

Picture for a moment that sin were visible. Each time we sinned
our jacket got more and more dirty. We were born with a stained
jacket from Adam's original sin, but as we pile on more sin it
becomes more and more dirty.

What Jesus does in this example can be likened to having a fully
white spotless blemish-free jacket, and He offers to give us His
jacket while taking our jacket upon Himself. That translates to
Him taking on our sin, and leaving us sin-free.

When Jesus takes that jacket upon Himself, He goes before God to
pay the punishment of that sin, so that we don't have to.

It's His gift poured out unto us by His towering Love.

Jesus came to this world for this purpose. He came to set us
free from the judgment of sin, from the punishment of sin, from
us being lost to eternity by the enforcement of that judgment
and punishment with our own soul being cast into Hell.

We are each literally headed there right now, and God has made
the way out for us. It is through the perfect sacrifice of
Jesus at the cross, where a man, such as one of us, voluntariliy
chose to take on our sin and die with it, so that we could be
set free.

Jesus does this for all who will put their faith and trust in
Him, for all who come to Him with sincerity asking forgiveness
and repenting. He will take their dirty jacket off, and give
them a perfect spotless, blemish-free jacket, that will change
the very nature of their existence, for it is in that self-same
instant that the spirit comes alive, causing the sum total of
each believer's existence to be altered from what it was before.

The old person dies, and the new person comes alive because of
the spirit nature.

-----
The flesh cannot understand this transformation. It is only
understood by the spirit. And many people reading this will
not be able to understand what I'm talking about.

But for those being drawn by God to salvation, you WILL know
what I'm talking about, because God will supernaturally reach
into your existence beyond your flesh, and perform a miracle
to give you information you cannot know on your own. You will
know on the inside that what I write to you is true, and that
you DO need to come to Jesus and repent and ask forgiveness
for your sin.

If you can hear His voice, rejoice for joy. Jump up and down
and shout it out loud because it is God Himself reaching into
your life to save you.

And pray for those around you who do not know Him, because we
don't know which of the non-believers today will be drawn by
God in the future to become the redeemed of Christ, to become
our brothers and sisters in Christ.

Remember God's love poured out on you while you were still a
sinner, still following after the ways of the world, and re-
member God's patience with you as you exhibit that same patience
with others who do not yet believe.

To all of my brothers and sisters in Christ, may God be with
you. May He strengthen you. May He guide you to reach others
that this incredible gift of salvation for free by God's own
Love shown through His Son at the cross, may impact the lives
of countless people around you, so that together we may all re-
joice in God's mercy and grace, knowing that while we do indeed
deserve Hell for our sin, that God's love overshadowed our own
guilt and shame, taking it away so that we could be with Him
where He is in Heaven.

God loves you. He calls you into service. He calls you into
repentance, to holiness, so that you can be effective in ser-
vice to His Kingdom.

Do not let the non-believers around you dissuade you. Keep
your eyes and mind on the goal the Lord set out for you in
your salvation, for in each non-believer that later became a
believer, there was a time when they too were not yet a be-
liever. Remember that and be patient with each of them.

May God grow us all together. And to my Christian brothers
and sisters, I look forward to meeting you when we get to
the other side. :-)

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Friday, December 28, 2018 at 11:03:27 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

For those of you who can hear His voice, go to prayer. Ask God
to guide you. Go to a church where you know there are holy,
loving people. Beware of many "false Christians" who will try
to ensnare you with religion. Being born again is about having
a relationship with Jesus Christ. It's not about doing the
thing on Sunday, and Bible Study on Wednesday, and maybe a mis-
sion trip here or there, or about tithing.

It's about a full transformation.

Every thought, every day, ongoing, without vacation, is new.
Your focus in life changes. The things you used to love are
all brought under self-scrutiny. Your spirit will hear from
God's own Holy Spirit what to keep, what to change, and what
to toss out.

Go the Bible and read the New Testament. God's words are
spirit, and they are written down there. You will receive
from Him spiritually as your eyes read the words physically.
He will guide you into the understanding of scripture the
world cannot know by the flesh-only.

There is an entire new universe of understanding which a-
waits those who are forgiven of sin and born again. It will
be overwhelming to those around you, as the newness of God's
Holy Spirit enters into your life. You'll change. Your
speech will change. Your thinking will change. Your inter-
ests will change. And the people around you who used to be
your friend will seem different to you, and they will see
the change in you, and they may even leave you and go and be
with others instead of you.

Do not let any of that discourage you, for these things are
all normal. The flesh literally pulls us one way (away from
God), while the spirit literally pulls us one way (toward
God). They are polar opposites, and they will never be able
to walk together. And for the true born again Christian,
they must always pursue God in spirit and in truth, because
the flesh does not go away ... and it must be mastered by
an application of our will unto God and His Holy Spirit,
and not unto the tempting trinkets of sin in this world.

God will empower you. He will give you the ability to say
no to the things of this world which war against your soul,
but He still gives you the choice.

Stay strong. Stay the course. Stay focused on God at all
times, and you will remain an effective servant of the Most
High, able to bring many others to Christ.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

On 29/12/2018 04:03, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
[snipped TL;DR]

Jesus believed the Old Testament was the commandment of God (Matthew 15:3)
ergo Jesus believed that homosexuals should be put to death (Leviticus 20:13).

Do you agree with Jesus that homosexuals should be put to death or not? If
Jesus is wrong about putting homosexuals to death then what else is Jesus
wrong about? I thought gods were supposed to be infallible.

/Flibble

[Mr Flibble]

[Mr Flibble]

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 12/29/2018 10:05 AM, Mr Flibble wrote:
> Jesus believed the Old Testament was the commandment of God (Matthew 15:3)
> ergo Jesus believed that homosexuals should be put to death (Leviticus 20:13).
>
> Do you agree with Jesus that homosexuals should be put to death or not? If
> Jesus is wrong about putting homosexuals to death then what else is Jesus
> wrong about? I thought gods were supposed to be infallible.

Pay close attention:

I'll answer your question since it's a matter of concern with you. The
truth requires understanding, not just sound bites. I write this reply
for others who will read it, and not just for you who indicates you do
not read my replies with your "TL;DR" posts.

The truth is before you, Leigh. Are you man enough to investigate it?

-----
Jesus commanded us against sin. Homosexuality is a sin. The reason He
commanded us against sin is because sin is falseness. it's anti-truth,
and because He is truth He setup this entire universe to operate on truth.

Because sin is falseness (anti-truth), it's a CANCER that only eats away
at the truth. If left unchecked, it will POLLUTE AND CONSUME and replace
the stability and eternal nature of truth with weak, unstable lies result-
ing in the very dismantling of the entire universe over time. God cares
for His creation (of man), and will not let the framework He's created to
allow us to live in to be so polluted. He keeps His House clean.

So, do I believe that those who focus their lives on sin, who focus their
lives on anti-God living, who ultimately seek to destroy everything God's
created to be as it is in truth, that they deserve to be cast into Hell
rather than being left to live and walk among the rest of us?

Absolutely.

Do I think homosexuals in this current age of Grace (post-Jesus-at-the-
cross, post-Pentecost, before-the-second-coming-of-the-Lord) should be
in any way harmed?

Absolutely not.

I recognize the damaging nature of sin, and how it is only wholly de-
structive to truth. I recognize how any sin (including homosexuality)
destroys souls by teaching them that falseness is okay, I also recog-
nize that God sent Jesus to this Earth TO SAVE us. He did not come
to condemn us. He came to give us the way back out of our sin.

He has reserved judgment for the Final Day outside of time, the one
where all people, past, present, and future, will be summoned to give
an account of their lives at the Great White Throne judgment.

I reserve judgment for Him, and I teach people the things He first
taught us, pointing them to Him so they can go to Him, gain the true
understanding of why He established the laws He did, why He gave us
the commandments He has, and how our lives extend beyond the confines
of this tiny little corporeal existence where we live for a tick of
the clock compared to the age of all creation.

-----
You purposefully keep blinders on your eyes so you can live in your
bubble, Leigh, where you've foolishly convinced yourself that your
personal worldview is right. You will not seek to hear or under-
stand the truth about God and God's creation, so you remain in your
sin, on your path of destruction. It will literally be to your
eternal destruction ... unless you change, and repent.

I pity you above all men I've met in my life thus far, Leigh. You
are willfully blind, and you will not change because of your love
of sin coupled to the hard heart it's given you. You will remain
in my prayers.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

Do you recognize that homosexuality isn't a choice? Do you accept that
homosexuality is entirely natural?

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 12/29/2018 11:20 AM, Mr Flibble wrote:
> Do you recognize that homosexuality isn't a choice?  Do you accept that
> homosexuality is entirely natural?

This is going to difficult to understand if you're not seeking the truth,
but I will teach you the truth. If you cannot understand it today, re-
member this at some future point when you do set your eyes on the truth.

Homosexuality is not normal. It is a choice. It is caused by the induce-
ment of external influences upon your flesh. These external influences
come from evil spirits pumping a person full of spiritual input that
alters the way the flesh feels.

The person feels the input, and concludes it's who they are, what they
are, how they are, etc., but it's artificial in nature. It's injected
into them by an evil entity seeking to keep them in sin, focused on
the flesh, unwilling to seek the truth and be set free.

When a person seeks the truth, God sees them seeking the truth. He
looks beyond the outer appearance, beyond even their own words and
statements, and sees straight through clearly to the heart and its
true intent.

When God sees a person seeking the truth, He reaches into their life
and inputs HIS OWN spiritual input, which causes that person to be
moved in the way they SHOULD BE moved. This causes them to now know
and see His guidance, and for that guidance to override the false and
destructive guidance of their own sin nature, coupled to any input from
evil spirits guiding them toward falseness through more sin.

Homosexuals are not the only ones who receive this input, Leigh. It
happens to everyone world-wide. Even to Christians. There are some
born again Christians who are so weakened in their walk due to this
same evil spirit influence, that they cannot rightly understand or see
God, they are still as carnal men and women. Paul writes about these
types of Christians, calling them carnal, teaching them that they need
to focus on the spiritual component.

Satan owns our flesh. It is fallen in sin. It becomes corrupt, has
a limited lifespan, ages, can become sick, etc. He and his demon imps
can inject their influence to tempt us to sin, and they are eternal
beings who watch us from birth, tempting us to go left and right at
various stages, keeping notes, learning what we will acquiesce to,
what we'll stand fast in, and they attack us where we're weakest.

-----
I guarantee everyone that if they will turn toward Christ and pursue
that which they know is right, even if they are powerless to overcome
the influence of their flesh working against their inner will in this
life, God will see them seeking with a real effort to break out of
that sin, and HE PERSONALLY will come into their life and make it POS-
SIBLE to overcome. In fact, I can testify that when I was still an
atheist, I wanted to know the truth for real. I was absolutely and
completely firmly resolved within myself that I was going to get a
real, true, and proper understanding of Biblical writings in context.
I did this so I could rightly then stand up and say with authority
that the Bible was garbage, that I was justified in being an atheist,
that I wasn't just guessing and assuming, and that I be able to look
myself in the mirror and know with pride that I was moving in truth.

But, when I set my sights on knowing the truth, God knew my true
heart's intent. I was thinking truth was one thing, but I really did
want to know the truth, and was prepared to admit if I was wrong.

His Holy Spirit presence overshadowed my life to such an extent that
I was moved in ways I cannot describe, could not understand. There
were times I said out loud, "What's happening?"

God was reaching into my life by the influence of His Holy Spirit to
guide me from where I was to where I would meet His Son a the cross
and be saved. And after I was saved, the change came over me and I
was absolutely floored. Totally in disbelief at what had just hap-
pened to me. I literally 100% changed, and was a new person.

The spirit nature is real. It impacts the flesh world-wide. I be-
lieve there are forces at work in our media, movies, radio, adver-
tisements, etc., that are influencing us toward sin continually, so
that more and more of their (evil spirit) brothers and sisters can
gain entrance into our lives, so they can have more and more influ-
ence, pushing Christianity and Christ out of things. I believe that
is the big thrust of the "tolerance" movement right now, that we must
all be accommodating other people's beliefs, catering to the lowest
common denominator, so that no one is offended.

It's not about being offended, it's about keeping people in their
place of sin. And it's not about being guided by personal wants
or wishes, but about the plans of those evil spirits to keep people
tied to sin explicitly so they are not saved.

Jesus is before all of mankind. There are no people anywhere where
He has not entered into their life to make His presence known in
one way or another. It may not have come through a Bible, or through
an evangelist, or a missionary, or anything other than Jesus Himself
speaking to each person on the inside, without words, making His pre-
sence toward truth, righteousness, love, holiness, purity, etc.,
known in their lives. And all people everywhere hear His voice, and
then respond to it, receiving it, being indifferent to it, or reject-
ing it.

Each of us is accountable for our actions. If any person is con-
founded by sin that they do not want, then they must turn toward
Christ and ask Him to forgive their sin, save their soul, and give
them the strength they need to say no to sin, to come out from sin,
to be set free from sin, and to take their rightful place, the place
Christ came to the Earth, suffered, died, was buried, and rose again,
to enable them to occupy: their eternal place in Heaven in His King-
dom without end.

That famous song, "And we all shine on ... like the moon, and the
stars, and the sun" ... it won't happen for everyone. That song is
another of Satan's misguidings to men that we are all going to be
that way. The truth is, only those who come to Christ and are for-
given for their sin will shine on forever. The rest will be cast
into the lake of fire, which is eternal, which will never end.

All who will seek the truth will be saved. All who are written in
the Lamb's Book of Life will not enter into judgment, but are saved
and have eternal life.

It only takes that true and honest pursuit of truth, of recognizing
that God is real, that He created the universe, that you have sin,
that God sent His Son Jesus to forgive you for that sin, to repent
and believe and ask forgiveness, confess with your mouth, and you
will be saved.

There are no hills to climb. No hoops to jump through. It is all
about faith in God, that pursuit of truth, that desire to follow
truth. Jesus does the hard part. We simply ask Him to save us,
and when we are sincere He does.

-----
Homosexuality is a particularly strong evil spirit influence. There
are many testimonies of people who have come out of homosexuality
through Christ. You can watch them on YouTube. An app on Apple's
website was just recently banned because it has something to do with
the author being "ex-gay" and teaches people that you can come out
from homosexuality. The anti-Christ evil spirits at work in men and
women complained about that app, and Apple removed it from their
store. It is more of the anti-Christ influence to try and keep
people bound up in their sin, and with the inability to hear that
there is a way out of it through Christ. In fact, the only way out
of it is through Christ, hence the strong push to keep Him out of
everything.

All sin condemns a soul. But Jesus came to forgive our sin, and to
set us free from it. Turn toward Him, seek the truth, ask God to
set you free from lies and falseness, and He will.

There's a Biblical story about the Prodigal Son that relates to us
in our sin. It is about the son who takes his inheritance, leaves
the father's house, goes off into the world and lives high on rowdy
and raucous worldly living. He soon consumes all his money, and is
destitute. He then remembers the life he had in his father's house,
and how even the servants at his father's house lived better than
he is living now. He knew because of how he had left he could never
be a son again in that family, but he had the thought to humble him-
self and go back and become a servant.

But the father (in this story the father is a metaphor for God, and
we are the prodigal son who left for riotous living, only to then
come to a humble place seeking to return), when he sees his son com-
ing afar off, runs out to meet him. Orders the finest robes to be
brought, and to kill the fatted calf and has a celebration. The
son says he is not worthy to be received back into the family, but
he would like to be as one of the servants, but the father steps up
the lavishing of gifts to him even more proclaiming, my son was lost,
but now he is found. He had gone away, but now he has come back,
proclaiming that it is a time of celebration and rejoicing.

No matter how far we go away from God, when we come to that place of
humbling ourselves, of recognizing that we are wrong, or that we are
not right, and that there is something more than what we're seeking,
that the things of this world are leaving us hollow, empty inside,
then we turn toward Him in the smallest amount, God comes running to
us and guides us the rest of the way.

He really does love us. He is patient and will forgive all of our
sin, no matter how bad it's been, for how long, to whom, anything
else. All is forgiven when we turn toward Him and ask for that for-
giveness.

-----
The spirit nature has our flesh pinned down in sin. We can only
sin. For some this means cheating, lying, committing adultery,
being a drunkard, spending too much time focused on hobbies or even
a multitude of things that seem to not be harmful, but they keep us
away from the things God calls us to in this world. For some it is
homosexuality. For others drug addiction. Porn. Any number of
things.

The spirit nature (evil spirits influencing our flesh) keep us
pinned down. But if we will press in and seek after God and do our
part in coming to Him, He will do the rest.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[fir]

people here already know, as i told em
that youre plaything of an devil, idiot who is slave of devil .. they already know so with that situation imbecile slave of the devil ?

[Mr Flibble]

On 29/12/2018 16:54, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On 12/29/2018 11:20 AM, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> Do you recognize that homosexuality isn't a choice?  Do you accept that
>> homosexuality is entirely natural?

[snipped; TL;DR]

As I suspected asking you those two questions was indeed an act of giving
you just enough rope to hang yourself with.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 12/29/2018 12:02 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 29/12/2018 16:54, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> On 12/29/2018 11:20 AM, Mr Flibble wrote:
>>> Do you recognize that homosexuality isn't a choice?  Do you accept that
>>> homosexuality is entirely natural?
>
> [snipped; TL;DR]

The truth requires understanding, explanation, Leigh. It's an effort
of teaching to bring it to people (Matthew 28:18-20).

That post I made takes only a few minutes to read. You keep yourself
purposefully in a state of ignorance because you know if you being to
test your assumptions and beliefs against the truth, they'll fail you.

It's your choice. I've taught you the truth. I am free of your blood.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[fir]

youre on your way to hell slave of the devil, you know that ?
you may ignore the truth imbecile slave of devil but not much long the devil will
get his plaything ..... scary isnt it devil plaything.. did you heard about lake of fire ?

[Rick C. Hodgin]

No one need go to Hell, fir. People send themselves there because they
will not seek the truth.

Jesus is truth. Those who will not seek the truth will not seek Jesus.
Those who seek the truth, whether they know it or not (as I did not know
it in my seeking of the truth) seek Jesus. It is written:

"You will seek me, and find me, when you seek me with all
your heart."

It's your choice. I've taught you the truth. I am free of your blood

too, fir.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[fir]

you dont seek the truth imbecile plaything of a devil..you tell lies
which makes devil happy poor imbecile..
this is to late for you as you sined to much but maybe you should start being avare the hell waiting for you devil plaything?
your numerous sins will be paid...
start being aware devil slave

[fir]

besides note devil imbecile youre offending god more and more, god sees that, and i see that...yhe hell is growing

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 12/29/2018 12:42 PM, fir wrote:
> W dniu sobota, 29 grudnia 2018 18:36:32 UTC+1 użytkownik Rick C. Hodgin napisał:
>> It's your choice. I've taught you the truth. I am free of your blood
>> too, fir.
>>
> you dont seek the truth imbecile plaything of a devil..you tell lies

Which lie? Let's put your claim to the test. State what you think
I have lied about specifically.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

Virtually everything you write is a lie; the fact that you think it is
true doesn't change the fact that it is a lie.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 12/29/2018 1:03 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 29/12/2018 17:53, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> Which lie?  Let's put your claim to the test.  State what you think
>> I have lied about specifically.
>
> Virtually everything you write is a lie; the fact that you think it is true
> doesn't change the fact that it is a lie.

I write things that back into sources. I can quote those sources and
you can research them and see if the things I write are in context.
You'll find they are. In addition, if you have issue with the source
material, that's between you and it, not you and me.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[fir]

you lie if you dont present yourself as an imbecile posessed by devil

quotation on imbecilles possessed on devil and skiping you are is manipulation
thet you do - i guess hovever evil manipulated you, so you dont een know yhe truth : youre imbecile possessed by devil

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Same question. What specifically do have I written which is a lie?
If you cannot indicate what it was, and if it doesn't hold up to
scrutiny, then you must conclude that you are the one in error, fir.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[fir]

your biggest lie is that youre not imbecile posessed by devil, when everythink acknowledges that (besides your smaller lies just go into hundreds)
the scheme of your lies beside is classic you tell extreme bulshit telling it is a truth (as imbeciles do) aldo you dont take reason and logic (as imbeciles nad devil slaves do) finaly youre to stupid to understood that, though 95% of people understood that, so it is not so hard


prove that youre not bulshittin imbecile possessed by devil first - then you will get the truth por devil posessed moron

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 12/29/2018 2:58 PM, fir wrote:
> prove that youre not .. imbecile possessed by devil first - then you will get the

> truth por devil posessed moron

Your statement is along the lines of this context: "Watermelons are
blue on the inside until you cut them, then they turn red. Prove me
wrong."

You begin with an assertion. You make a claim and then state I must
prove you are wrong. It doesn't work like that. You must provide
evidence that you are right right.

But as for my proof, I point you to the Bible. If you seek to know
the truth and read the Bible, you will find it.

God affirms His own existence for all who will seek the truth. For
those who will not, there is this purposeful division for this point,
so that men and women who will not seek the truth are separated very
clearly from those who will. It is a literal 100% division, and all
people world-wide are so branded. There are no bystanders, no non-
participants. If you are alive, you are all in.

You are all in, fir. God calls out to you in multiple ways, and you
will not hear Him. Why? Why do you deny God? Because your eyes
cannot see Him? Do you not see Him when you look at a newborn, or
into the Heavens are realize how big the universe is (if the Earth
were the size of a grain of sand, the universe would extend out 29x
the distance from the sun to Neptune).

I ask you to find any fault in my statements. I will gladly admit
I am wrong and correct them in future teaching if you do. I do not
see to push "Rick's ideas," but I do seek to teach those things God
first taught us in the Bible.

Have you ever read the Bible? Do you even know what (who) it is you
are rejecting? Or is your opinion based only on non-evidence, your
own personal beliefs, things you've been taught by others? Are you
unwilling to investigate what it says? Which one us is the liar?

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[fir]

we are talking about you being imbecileplaything of devil stupid imbecile

you ignoring this most important fact ad automatically produce your imbecilic bulshit - this is a way to hell devil slave idiot ...

im sure devil sharpens its nails to met his stupid slave who brings harm on usenet amashing people brain withl lies and medical stupidity

[fir]

sadl;y obviopusly any discustion with this imbecile is very boring..typical for such kind of devil posessed imbeciles

some people say that imbecilles got easier to get happy (it may seem so, logic dont limits them) but overally situation of imbecile is rather sad no matter how brianles this devil plaything idiot is

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 12/29/2018 3:58 PM, fir wrote:
> we are talking about you being imbecileplaything of devil stupid imbecile

Those who are of the devil will lead people AWAY from Christ, toward sin,
toward an inflated sense of "self."

Jesus teaches us to be giving to others, to diminish self, to teach all
to be submissive to Him because of who He is, and who we are in this
world.

We are not self-made men. We need each other. We need to be comrades
in arms. We need to have our love out front for one another, and that
love stems form a true source, which is the love of Christ given over
to mankind despite his sin.

Do you have any sin, fir? Have you ever told a lie? Stolen something?
Used God's name in vain (as a cuss word)?

Of course you have. We all have at some point. That makes us guilty
before God.

What Jesus offers is a way to take away that guilt. Jesus steps in to
take our guilt away and pay the price of that guilt for us, setting us
free.

If would be like if you have 500 parking tickets, and someone came up
and said, "I've just paid your fines for all your parking tickets.
You are free and clear!" That person gave you a gift you could appreci-
ate ... assuming you knew you had 500 parking tickets. But if you didn't
know, what difference would it make to you? "Thanks!" and then you'd
walk away like, "Whatever!" But if you did know you had 500 parking
tickets, it would be a huge release, especially when each one carries
a $200 fine. How much more so being rescued from an eternal death in
unending Hellfire? But, how can you place value on that if you do not
know about it in the first place?

Here's the teaching:

You are a sinner. The cost of your sin is eternal death in Hell. You
do not know that you are this sinner, and that you are headed to Hell
because our culture is run by evil spirits at work in men and women to
KEEP US from that knowledge. We are told we are fine as we are being
part of our society, partaking in all its vices. We are not to look
to God because He is so restrictive and His followers are bigots and
haters, right?

Wrong.

The followers of Christ often make mistakes in how they teach others
about Christ, including in how they live their own lives. I am guilty
of this.

We all are. It's very hard to live in this sinful world according to
God's purposes and plans, and to do so consistently for years without
error.

But God's people teach about Christ. We teach not about ourselves, but
about the ONE who CAN save us, who DOES NOT make mistakes. We point you
to Him, just as we ourselves seek Him.

If a person comes to realize they had sin, they would realize the gift
God is giving us. That's what happens to those who will seek the truth.
God pours out the gift of conviction, of repentance, and it drives us
to our knees, to tears, to the cross, where we see that Jesus is offer-
ing to take away our sin and set us free.

When we get to that place, humbled, broken, realizing we are a sinner,
then we are on the path to being saved, and when we are saved, it will
mean so much more to us than those 500 parking tickets being paid for
would, because our sin weight and cost is so much more.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 12/29/2018 2:30 AM, Mr Flibble wrote:
> Don't be fooled by the peddlers of fake religions and fake gods.  Follow
> the one true god: The Flying Spaghetti Monster.
>
> Hell is real: hell is distance from pasta sauce.
> Heaven is real: heaven is to be at one with pasta sauce.
>
> But I need proof that your religion is the correct one! I hear you shout...
>
> The Flying Spaghetti Monster is the one true god because it is so
> written in The Bible of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and
> The Bible of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is correct
> because it is so written in The Bible of the Church of the Flying
> Spaghetti Monster
>

This alien ship, rendered with math looks pretty real...

http://funwithfractals.atspace.cc/ct_gf_explore/ct_alien_ship.html

(not a image, it is rendered... can you run it?)

Humm, start a new religion? lol.

[Daniel]

On Saturday, December 29, 2018 at 10:57:50 AM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> Jesus commanded us against sin. Homosexuality is a sin.

On the other hand, Luke 17:34-35 suggests that homosexuality is not a factor
in who would be chosen, and who not:

"I tell you, in that night,
there shall be two men in one bed;
the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
Two women shall be grinding together;
the one shall be taken, and the other left."

Luke 17:34-35, KJV

Daniel

[Rick C. Hodgin]

These passages are not referring to a homosexual relationship.

You have to look to how scripture backs up scripture. One verse can be
taken to mean a particular thing when it really does not. That's actually
how many cults begin. People look at one small portion of the Bible and
conclude an entire offshoot/branch of religion around it.

Seek the truth, Daniel. Don't just be a joker / mocker.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Daniel]

On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 12:49:47 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On 1/2/2019 12:21 PM, Daniel wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 29, 2018 at 10:57:50 AM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> >
> >> Jesus commanded us against sin. Homosexuality is a sin.
> >
> > On the other hand, Luke 17:34-35 suggests that homosexuality is not a factor
> > in who would be chosen, and who not:
> >
> > "I tell you, in that night,
> > there shall be two men in one bed;
> > the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
> > Two women shall be grinding together;
> > the one shall be taken, and the other left."
> >
> > Luke 17:34-35, KJV
> >
> > Daniel
>
> These passages are not referring to a homosexual relationship.
>

Rick, you're not qualified to have an opinion on this subject, as you know no Greek or Aemenic, and are unschooled in the meaning of the texts.

I believe the opinion expressed below is not a particularly radical one:

https://redeeminggod.com/two-men-in-one-bed-luke_17_34/

It's consistent with the broad theme of Christianity - a movement away from
ancient Judaic law, and towards the Judaic idea of "do unto others..." I
don't think it's an accident that the societies that have embraced women's
rights and gay rights and have accepted atheism have largely had Christian
heritages.

Best regards,
Daniel

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 1:20:16 PM UTC-5, Daniel wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 12:49:47 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On 1/2/2019 12:21 PM, Daniel wrote:
> > > On Saturday, December 29, 2018 at 10:57:50 AM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > >
> > >> Jesus commanded us against sin. Homosexuality is a sin.
> > >
> > > On the other hand, Luke 17:34-35 suggests that homosexuality is not a factor
> > > in who would be chosen, and who not:
> > >
> > > "I tell you, in that night,
> > > there shall be two men in one bed;
> > > the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
> > > Two women shall be grinding together;
> > > the one shall be taken, and the other left."
> > >
> > > Luke 17:34-35, KJV
> > >
> > > Daniel
> >
> > These passages are not referring to a homosexual relationship.
>
> Rick, you're not qualified to have an opinion on this subject,
> as you know no Greek or Aemenic, and are unschooled in the meaning
> of the texts.

There are people who are experts in the languages of the Bible,
and they have already done the research:

https://biblehub.com/lexicon/luke/17-34.htm
https://biblehub.com/text/luke/17-34.htm
https://biblehub.com/greek/2825.htm

The definition of Strong's #2825 is:

kline: a couch, bed, mat, bier
Original Word: κλίνη, ης, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: kline
Phonetic Spelling: (klee'-nay)
Definition: a small couch
Usage: a couch, bed, portable bed or mat, a couch for
reclining at meals, possibly also a bier.

You have to do more research, Daniel. Here's Young's Literal
Translation which the passage reads differently:

https://biblehub.com/ylt/luke/17.htm

34 ‘I say to you, In that night, there shall be two men on
one couch, the one shall be taken, and the other shall
be left;
35 two women shall be grinding at the same place together,
the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left;
36 two men shall be in the field, the one shall be taken,
and the other left.’

You should read this passage too, Daniel. It describes those
who seek to pervert scripture for their own love of sin, and
their acceptance of it:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Timothy+4%3A3-4&version=KJV

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound
doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to
themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and
shall be turned unto fables.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Daniel]

On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 1:52:49 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 1:20:16 PM UTC-5, Daniel wrote:

> There are people who are experts in the languages of the Bible,
> and they have already done the research:
>
> https://biblehub.com/lexicon/luke/17-34.htm
> https://biblehub.com/text/luke/17-34.htm
> https://biblehub.com/greek/2825.htm
>
> The definition of Strong's #2825 is:
>
> kline: a couch, bed, mat, bier
> Original Word: κλίνη, ης, ἡ
> Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
> Transliteration: kline
> Phonetic Spelling: (klee'-nay)
> Definition: a small couch
> Usage: a couch, bed, portable bed or mat, a couch for
> reclining at meals, possibly also a bier.
>

> Here's Young's Literal
> Translation which the passage reads differently:
>
> https://biblehub.com/ylt/luke/17.htm
>
> 34 ‘I say to you, In that night, there shall be two men on
> one couch, the one shall be taken, and the other shall
> be left;
> 35 two women shall be grinding at the same place together,
> the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left;
> 36 two men shall be in the field, the one shall be taken,
> and the other left.’
>

The good news is that none of the above are inconsistent with Jeremy Myers' interpretation,

https://redeeminggod.com/two-men-in-one-bed-luke_17_34/

Best regards,
Daniel

[Rick C. Hodgin]

If you only look at Luke 17:34, correct. If you look at the other
verses in the Bible (New Testament) which condemn homosexuality,
and re-affirm the Old Testament's condemnation of it (Jude 1:7),
then you see the true meaning, and the true pattern.

You're one of those people with itching ears, Daniel, who likes
to hear what you want to hear rather than the truth. You're wil-
ling to listen to fables because they align with what your heart
wants to hear.

Homosexuality is flatly condemned in the Bible:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+1%3A24%2C26-27%2CJude+7%2C1+Timothy+1%3A10%2C1+Corinthians+6%3A9%2CLeviticus+18%3A22-28%2CGenesis+19%3A5%2CEphesians+4%3A19%2CRomans+1%3A24%2CJudges+19%3A22%2C1+Thessalonians+4%3A5%2CRomans+1%3A28%2CJude+10%2CEphesians+5%3A12%2CDeuteronomy+23%3A17-18&version=KJV

Passages in the New Testament:

Romans 1:24,26-28
Jude 7, 10
1 Timothy 1:10
1 Corinthians 6:9
Ephesians 4:19
Romans 1:24
1 Thessalonians 4:5
Ephesians 5:12

In the Old Testament:

Leviticus 18:22-28
Genesis 19:5
Judges 19:22
Deuteronomy 23:17-18

The terms used for homosexuality in the KJV are "abusers of
themselves with mankind," "effeminate," and when it refers
to knowing another man "carnally" or to "know" or "lie" with
them (have sex with them, as in "Adam knew his wife, and she
conceived").

Itching ears, Daniel ... wanting to hear what you want to
hear, not what the truth is.

The truth is given to men (from God, and through men and women
like me) so that people can know the truth, repent of their
sin, ask forgiveness, and receive the same, and be set free
from judgment for their sin.

The only people entering into Hell are those who will not turn
from their sin, but cling to it despite the multiple calls of
God throughout their life, the multiple attempts made to get a
soul's attention, to say, "Look here! There's a warning! This
life is not the end! Pay close attention! There's something
more, and it is the true long-lasting form of our life!"

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Kenny McCormack]

In article <03b15571-2969-44c9...@googlegroups.com>,
Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote nothing of any value, as usual:
...

You are so full of shit.

--
"Everything Roy (aka, AU8YOG) touches turns to crap."
--citizens of alt.obituaries--

[jacobnavia]

Le 29/12/2018 à 16:05, Mr Flibble a écrit :
> Jesus believed that homosexuals should be put to death (Leviticus 20:13).

And for those that do not know what is written there here it is:

<quote from those biblic abominations: levitihicus 20:13)

If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have
committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood
shall be upon them.
<end quote>

This piece of shit is responsible for the death of thousands of people
that didn't commit anything reprehensible. It is a piece of a wider
abomination called:

RELIGION

[Kenny McCormack]

In article <q0kqjg$91h$1...@dont-email.me>,
jacobnavia <ja...@jacob.remcomp.fr> wrote:
...

>This piece of shit is responsible for the death of thousands of people
>that didn't commit anything reprehensible. It is a piece of a wider
>abomination called:
>
>RELIGION

Religion is just obsolete. Like buggy whips.

In a pre-science world, it made sense. People didn't know anything about
how the world worked, so they made up stories, that did, sorta, kinda, help
them deal with the world and survive.

The need for such nonsense has passed. The next generation is looking to
be pretty much religion-free. This is a good thing.

Note, BTW, that the reason religions have been anti-gay, is precisely in
line with their mission to help the tribe survive (in a pre-science world).
As I've noted many times, the reason religion doesn't like gay is because
gay doesn't reproduce, and, in a pre-science world, reproduction is
everything. Reproduction is survival. Luckily, those days have passed -
thanks to science.

Obviously, this is also why religion is anti- any other form of birth
control, including abortion. Anything that reduces reproduction is bad.

--
If you think you have any objections to anything I've said above, please
navigate to this URL:
http://www.xmission.com/~gazelle/Truth
This should clear up any misconceptions you may have.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Thursday, January 3, 2019 at 6:10:50 AM UTC-5, jacobnavia wrote:
> Le 29/12/2018 à 16:05, Mr Flibble a écrit :
> > Jesus believed that homosexuals should be put to death (Leviticus 20:13).
>
> And for those that do not know what is written there here it is:
>

> <quote from... [Leviticus] 20:13)

>
> If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have
> committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood
> shall be upon them.
> <end quote>
>

> This piece of .. is responsible for the death of thousands of people

> that didn't commit anything reprehensible. It is a piece of a wider
> abomination called:
>
> RELIGION

The Old Testament is no longer in effect under this new age of grace.
People are still subject to the Laws God gave man, but that's why
Jesus came to the Earth... to free us from the Law, to give us grace
and mercy, to save us from damnation and judgment from the Law.

The Law cannot save you. It can only condemn you. Jesus came here
to save us from the Law, from judgment, from the eternal punishment
for an eternal being bent on being rebellious, disobedient, always
anti-God, anti-truth.

It's not about religion under grace, Jacob. It's about the ongoing
continuous daily hourly minute by minute relationship with Jesus.
It's about forgiveness of sin, God's Love applied to our lives, in
that even while we were/are guilty of sin, God was not content to
leave us to die eternally under judgment. He came here as one of
us to shoulder the burden of our sin for us. He came here to make
a way out so we won't have to be judged. He came here to rescue us
from our folly, to restore what we lost in sin (our spirit nature),
and to dwell with us even while we are still here on this Earth.

Religion has almost nothing to do with Christianity. It is the
smallest component. It's about Jesus and our relationship (spiritually)
with Him that never ends.

Religion is a work.
Grace is a gift.
Religion has some value if properly applied (it keeps you focused,
disciplined, away from the snares of this world).
Grace changes you from the inside out by the new spirit nature.
It appears outwardly to be like religion, but it's different.

Religion is from the outside in, a work of the flesh / mind, by rote,
by brute force will over temptation and opportunity.

Grace forgives sin unto new spirit life, a complete rewiring from
the inside out. It's internal, not external. A new part of you,
a new ability to exist, comes online when Jesus forgives your sin,
as your judgment and condemnation are taken away.

Religion has done much harm. It's why Christianity isn't a religion.
People try to make it one because their flesh wants to be puffed
up with pride over their personal accomplishments.

True Biblical Christianity is a humbling, a realization, a coming
to know that "I can't do it on my own," that "I'm not good enough,
strong enough, that I can't undo my bad works with my good works."

It's the realization that you're a sinner, that you deserve punishment
because of how you've handled God's creation in sinful and destructive
ways, and that you are guilty of sin before God. A full humbling
of self.

You then come to Jesus asking forgiveness, receiving the same, and
being forever changed.

Where's the religion there?

Christians, those saved as above, because of the change, are called
to love people. It's actually a new Commandment Jesus gave us, to
love one another AS HE has loved us, teaching us that people will
know we are His disciples by our love.

So when you see people calling themselves Christians, and hating on
anyone, know that they are either lying, are immature Christians
still following after their flesh trying to do it by their own power/
religion and failing, or are caught temporarily in a flesh-focused
response and are not generally that way over time, but maybe they
were caught in a bad/weak moment.

The true Christian loves the sinner, teaches them the things of God,
is patient with them, desires for them to also be saved, prays for
them, helps them, reaches out positively toward them, and othet like
manner behaviors regarding them.

It flows naturally from the inside out, God's love for us dwelling
within us, welling up and overflowing out of us.

That's what Jesus brings to us... freedom from retaliatory hate,
from being evil, from harming people. Christians would rather die
themselves than harm another.

So when you see someone seeking to harm another, know that such a
person is not following after Christ or His teachings. They are
rogue, self-following, self-goal-seeking, and their own punishment
before God is in force. It will consume their soul on Judgment Day.

Grace is given to man to save Him from sin. That salvation from
sin literally takes our sin away from us, setting us free from the
condemnation and judgment we were under before. This brings our
spirit nature alive, and we change as the new man comes into life.
The old man (our flesh) is still with us and must be mastered. That
does take discipline, focus, obedience, effort. But God is there
continually, His Holy Spirit guiding us from within.

God doesn't want to judge anyone. He wants everyone to be saved
(even the sinners). It's why He makes salvation free, and commands
His disciples to go out into the world and teach all people about
Him.

All a person had to do to be saved is believe in your heart, confess
with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and you will be saved. He then
starts to work on changing your life from the inside out.

God is love, and that love is given to us in Jesus. He literally
gives us eternal life, a permanent Home in Heaven's paradise, restoring
us to what He intended for us before sin entered in and destroyed
everything.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Thursday, January 3, 2019 at 6:19:39 AM UTC-5, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> In article <q0kqjg$91h$1...@dont-email.me>,
> jacobnavia <ja...@jacob.remcomp.fr> wrote:
> >RELIGION
>
> Religion is just obsolete. Like buggy whips.
>
> In a pre-science world, it made sense. People didn't know anything about
> how the world worked, so they made up stories, that did, sorta, kinda, help
> them deal with the world and survive.

There is nothing in modern science which contradicts Biblical teaching.
Man tries to explain things he finds in a way that removes God (evolution
instead of creation, chemical processes rather that a creator).

It is sin at work in us, denying God, rebelling against Him.

But if you look at the Biblical worldview truthfully and honestly,
you'll find that everything we find in nature aligns with the Bible's
teachings. Even the soft tissue and blood cells found in dinosaur
bones allegedly 65+ million years old.

God is real. He created the universe. He made it perfectly. Sin
us what's brought forth destruction, and God Himself came here in
the man Jesus to restore what was lost, to save us from His own judgment,
His own laws, His own requirements against sin.

Jesus separates all people, divides them into two groups: the savef,
and the damned.

The saved won't be judged for sin. They are set free from judgment
and enter Heaven alive. The damned are already dead, without life,
walking only in these flesh corpses until they pass from this Earth,
and then comes judgment in God's court. The sentence is: guilty.
The punishment: being cast alive forever into the lake of fire
where only torment and agony are your constant companions.

Jesus came to save us from that. His offer is real, free, eternal.
But not everyone will receive it. Some are so consumed by sin and
their love of sin that they'll deny Christ, deny His teachings, hate
Christians, teach and say all manner of false things against Christ,
sowing as much harm and death as their own rotting corpse can muster
up.

Their destruction is not lingering, and Jesus is able to save anyone
from their sin ... just for the asking.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Ephesians 2:8-9

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not
of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Fred.Zwarts]

"jacobnavia" schreef in bericht news:q0kqjg$91h$1...@dont-email.me...

It depends what you call religion. Better may be CONVICTION.

As soon as people have a conviction which make them think that people with
other convictions do not deserve respect, it happens. Even non-religious
convictions may lead to the death of other people. Think of the death of
many thousends religious people in atheistic regimes (Sovjet Union,
North-Korea, China, Cambodja). In the 20th century more people were killed
by the convictions of non-religious regimes than by religious regimes and it
still continues.
So, let's be careful with our own convictions. Nobody can live without
conviction and, of course, everybody thinks his own conviction is superior
to other convictions. The danger starts if our own sense of superiority
causes us to lose the respect for others.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Thursday, January 3, 2019 at 6:10:50 AM UTC-5, jacobnavia wrote:

> Le 29/12/2018 à 16:05, Mr Flibble a écrit :
> > Jesus believed that homosexuals should be put to death (Leviticus 20:13).
>
> And for those that do not know what is written there here it is:

> [snip ... Leviticus 20:13] ... RELIGION

One thing to look at to see how true Biblical Christianity is
supposed to be is to look at the Orthodox Amish in the USA.
They have taken their "religion" to the extreme, rejecting
all modern conveniences, and doing things the "old way."

But if you look deeper at their culture, their community, they
engage with outsiders, have businesses in their communities,
are quick to respond in emergencies to help one another and
others.

There was a shooting in 2006 in an Amish school in Nickel Mines
in Pennsylvania. Ten Amish schoolchildren in the West Nickel
Mines school were shot, five of them were killed. The shooter
killed himself as police stormed the schoolhouse.

The Amish didn't condemn the murderer or the families of the
murderer. They reached out to them. The Wikipedia article
states, "The emphasis on forgiveness and reconciliation in the
Amish community's response was widely discussed in the national
media."

Christians are called to be teachers. It's "The Great Commission"
in Matthew 28:18-20, and is a calling for all believers to go
ye therefore into all the world and teach.

Christians are not called to judge. We do not judge. What we
do is teach those things God has told us He will judge. We
teach these things so that people will know what they are fac-
ing by remaining in sin. We teach these things so people will
know the truth, repent, and be set free from that judgment.

Judgment is not ours to give, for we also (all Christians) are
just as guilty of sin as everyone else, and we need forgiveness
just the same as everyone else.

Many Christians sin after they're saved, and even in some really
huge and shocking ways at times. But that's the battle we each
face in these physical bodies, and our goal is to pursue God in
spirit and in truth and to "mortify the deeds of the flesh" the
Bible says, to put to death sin at work in our physical members.

The enemy has dominion over our flesh. He can influence us in
ways we cannot be aware of or recognize. We simply respond to
our physical awareness of that input from our body. But not all
of it is our own input. Some of it is induced upon us by those
evil spirits so that we will move this way or that way, to remain
in sin, or keep a particular thought active.

God will set us free if we want to be set free. We have to seek
Him, to want earnestly and honestly to be set free.

God doesn't call any Christian to be hateful or harmful. That
is the residue of our former life in this flesh-only rising up
and warring against our new spirit nature. It is a difficult
influence to master, but it can be done with discipline because
God is greater and if we lean into Him and trust in Him and rely
upon Him and not our own strength, then do we have the victory.

It's when we try to go our own way that we are deceived, and do
all manner of harmful, hateful, sinful things, all under the
professed name and banner of being a disciple of Christ. Such
people are either damned, liars, not following the way at all,
or they are weak Christians who will turn around over time once
sanctification has more time to work on their life.

The influences of the old man (our flesh) are not to be discarded.
We are physically tied to these bodies, and Satan and his demon
imps have watched us since birth and recorded and discuss among
themselves what influences we are weak to, and they'll target us
where we're weakest to take us down because they want us turning
away from God, not saved, to be condemned as they are.

But God sees past all that, into our true heart, our true intent.
If He sees that glimmer of wanting to know the truth, to be set
free from the lies, of wanting to not be deceived by the enemy,
then He reaches in and makes it possible by influencing us with
His own Holy Spirit, which overrides our flesh and draws us beyond
our ability to countermand to the point where we come to the foot
of the cross in tears, repenting, asking forgiveness. He then has
legal license to forgive us, our sin is taken away, and we are
changed. He then begins working on us in our new spirit nature,
and the process of sanctification takes hold.

It is a literal transformation. The old person dies, and the new
person comes alive. The old way of understanding the world ends,
and the new way of understanding the world begins.

The natural-only man cannot understand this because they do not
have that spirit-nature input. But all who will be saved have
that little tickling, that little inkling of knowledge on the in-
side, something that is teaching them the truth of these words.
They may not yet be saved, but the day is coming.

If you can hear His call, rejoice and be exceedingly glad, and
jump up and down for joy, because it is God Himself reaching out
to save you from judgment, and to give you eternal life in His
own Kingdom paradise. Answer that call and see your life change
before your eyes. It will blow your mind away at how complete
the transformation is. You will literally say, "I would not
have believed it possible ... if it hadn't happened to me."

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Melzzzzz]

On 2019-01-03, Fred.Zwarts <F.Zw...@KVI.nl> wrote:
> "jacobnavia" schreef in bericht news:q0kqjg$91h$1...@dont-email.me...
>>
>>Le 29/12/2018 à 16:05, Mr Flibble a écrit :
>>> Jesus believed that homosexuals should be put to death (Leviticus 20:13).
>>
>>And for those that do not know what is written there here it is:
>>
>><quote from those biblic abominations: levitihicus 20:13)
>>
>>If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have
>>committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood
>>shall be upon them.
>><end quote>
>>
>>This piece of shit is responsible for the death of thousands of people that
>>didn't commit anything reprehensible. It is a piece of a wider abomination
>>called:
>>
>>RELIGION
>
> It depends what you call religion. Better may be CONVICTION.
>
> As soon as people have a conviction which make them think that people with
> other convictions do not deserve respect, it happens. Even non-religious
> convictions may lead to the death of other people. Think of the death of
> many thousends religious people in atheistic regimes (Sovjet Union,
> North-Korea, China, Cambodja). In the 20th century more people were killed
> by the convictions of non-religious regimes than by religious regimes and it
> still continues.

Communism is also religion...

--
press any key to continue or any other to quit...

[Öö Tiib]

You go too far there IMHO.
Discriminating homosexuals (or more generally being evil and
unjust about whatever) is no way monopoly of Christianity or
religions in general. For example Nazi Germany persecuted and
put homosexuals to death and major communist countries
considered homosexuality as mental illness and same-sex
sexual activity between consenting adults in private as crime.

[Queequeg]

Öö Tiib <oot...@hot.ee> wrote:

> and same-sex sexual activity between consenting adults in private as
> crime.

It is still considered a crime if these adults are relatives.

--
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lSzL1DqQn0

[Rick C. Hodgin]

> Öö Tiib <oot...@hot.ee> wrote:
>> and same-sex sexual activity between consenting adults in private as
>> crime.

There are many places where sodomy is still a crime in 2018. It's a
law influenced by Christianity from our past when people still placed
value on God's influence in their lives.

Do you know how significant Christianity was in the formation of this
nation (USA)? It was so integrated, so foundational, so fundamental,
that they didn't even codify it into law directly. There is just this
mountain of evidence of its influence in everyone's thinking, in the
way people moved naturally in society.

Even many of the "godless" back then had more moral fiber than most
devout mainstream Christians do today. Satan's influence in our so-
ciety is so prevalent ... when real Christianity shows up people think
it's so radical as to be the result of a nutcase lunatic, rather than
someone truly regenerated by the Living Spirit of a Holy God.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

On 03/01/2019 12:10, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Thursday, January 3, 2019 at 6:19:39 AM UTC-5, Kenny McCormack wrote:
>> In article <q0kqjg$91h$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> jacobnavia <ja...@jacob.remcomp.fr> wrote:
>>> RELIGION
>>
>> Religion is just obsolete. Like buggy whips.
>>
>> In a pre-science world, it made sense. People didn't know anything about
>> how the world worked, so they made up stories, that did, sorta, kinda, help
>> them deal with the world and survive.
>
> There is nothing in modern science which contradicts Biblical teaching.
> Man tries to explain things he finds in a way that removes God (evolution
> instead of creation, chemical processes rather that a creator).
>
> It is sin at work in us, denying God, rebelling against Him.
>
> But if you look at the Biblical worldview truthfully and honestly,
> you'll find that everything we find in nature aligns with the Bible's
> teachings. Even the soft tissue and blood cells found in dinosaur
> bones allegedly 65+ million years old.

The soft tissue and blood cells found in those dinosaur bones was later
shown to be foreign contamination, i.e. it wasn't dinosaur. Now re-adjust
your world-view you fucktard: the Earth is billions of years old.

>
> God is real. He created the universe. He made it perfectly.

Assertions made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. I
dismiss your god.

/Flibble

--
“You won’t burn in hell. But be nice anyway.” – Ricky Gervais

“I see Atheists are fighting and killing each other again, over who
doesn’t believe in any God the most. Oh, no..wait.. that never happens.” –
Ricky Gervais

"Suppose it's all true, and you walk up to the pearly gates, and are
confronted by God," Bryne asked on his show The Meaning of Life. "What
will Stephen Fry say to him, her, or it?"
"I'd say, bone cancer in children? What's that about?" Fry replied.
"How dare you? How dare you create a world to which there is such misery
that is not our fault. It's not right, it's utterly, utterly evil."
"Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a
world that is so full of injustice and pain. That's what I would say."

[Öö Tiib]

On Thursday, 3 January 2019 18:36:03 UTC+2, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > Öö Tiib <oot...@hot.ee> wrote:
> >> and same-sex sexual activity between consenting adults in private as
> >> crime.
>
> There are many places where sodomy is still a crime in 2018.

Note that it is 2019. Yes, in several Muslim countries homosexual relations
are crime. They also kill animals (like dogs and horses) for homosexuality.

> It's a
> law influenced by Christianity from our past when people still placed
> value on God's influence in their lives.

Indeed ... Muslims are last followers of your kind of Christian
values.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Why does Islam have a following similar to that of Christianity? It's
because Mohamed could not get people to follow his religion in the beg-
inning. So, he began to introduce lots of similar aspects to his reli
gion as the Jews had, so he could get converts. He also began to offer
to give them the spoils from raids and attacks.

1400 years of bloody Islamic history in a few minutes. 270 million
dead around the world, and at a time when you couldn't kill them with
machine guns and bombs, but this was hand-to-hand bloody combat, and
killing people by the sword:

"Must Watch: 1400 Years of Islamic History in a Few Minutes"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guXBTgAxhIw

We have history that teaches us the true nature of things. We also
have political movements which seek to suppress history and alter it
so we cannot know the past. This has happened in America recently
with the condemnation of the General Lee flag from the South during
our Civil War. People in power don't want to know or have people to-
day place value on why the South sought to secede from the union (it
was because they wanted stronger states rights and state's power, and
weaker federal / central government authority, with slavery being the
main driving point, but that philosophy was rooted back to the very
foundation of our nation (watch the movie 1776, and read the Anti-
federalist Papers).

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Kenny McCormack]

In article <0dbd9a81-1ea0-4dd0...@googlegroups.com>,

à ö Tiib <oot...@hot.ee> wrote:
>On Thursday, 3 January 2019 18:36:03 UTC+2, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

>> > Öö Tiib <oot...@hot.ee> wrote:
>> >> and same-sex sexual activity between consenting adults in private as
>> >> crime.
>>
>> There are many places where sodomy is still a crime in 2018.
>
>Note that it is 2019. Yes, in several Muslim countries homosexual relations
>are crime. They also kill animals (like dogs and horses) for homosexuality.
>
>> It's a
>> law influenced by Christianity from our past when people still placed
>> value on God's influence in their lives.
>
>Indeed ... Muslims are last followers of your kind of Christian
>values.

Excellent point. Here in the USA (where both Rick & I live), the people
who most rail against Muslims are precisely those people who most want
society to be organized like it is in Muslim countries and who want
people (i.e., other people) to have to live like Muslims do.

--
No puppet.
No puppet.
You're a puppet.

[Siri Cruise]

In article <0b022359-af0a-4f06...@googlegroups.com>,

"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, January 3, 2019 at 6:19:39 AM UTC-5, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> > In article <q0kqjg$91h$1...@dont-email.me>,
> > jacobnavia <ja...@jacob.remcomp.fr> wrote:

Ce qui soit soit. Unless you're a god, you're guessing, just like everyone else.
How about showing some tolerance for people with different guesses.

Duly deputised representatives of city and state of New York do not count.

--
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted. @
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
The first law of discordiamism: The more energy This post / \
to make order is nore energy made into entropy. insults Islam. Mohammed

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Thursday, January 3, 2019 at 2:14:52 PM UTC-5, Siri Cruise wrote:
> In article <0b022359-af0a-4f06...@googlegroups.com>,
> "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 3, 2019 at 6:19:39 AM UTC-5, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> > > In article <q0kqjg$91h$1...@dont-email.me>,
> > > jacobnavia <ja...@jacob.remcomp.fr> wrote:
>
> Ce qui soit soit. Unless you're a god, you're guessing, just like everyone else.

God has told us what He will judge and how to live. I repeat to
you His guidance.

Your issues are with Him, not me. I'm a messenger.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Chris M. Thomasson]

It sure seems to be. Almost like a hive mind worshiping the queen.

[Fred.Zwarts]

"Melzzzzz" schreef in bericht news:zMpXD.45105$kk4....@fx36.am4...

As I said, it depends on what you call religion.
In a certain sense any conviction that declares itself superior to others
has the danger of becoming a religion. Atheism is not free of such danger.
Even christianity has been turned into a religion by some people. :-)