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Lynn McGuire
Jan 14, 2016, 1:41:25 PM1/14/16
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"C++ in the modern world"
http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/1071412/Cplusplus-in-the-modern-world
I like comics.
Lynn
http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/1071412/Cplusplus-in-the-modern-world
I like comics.
Lynn
Alf P. Steinbach
Jan 14, 2016, 2:18:19 PM1/14/16
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woodb...@gmail.com
Jan 14, 2016, 2:50:33 PM1/14/16
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I was disappointed by that.
Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust.
http://webEbenezer.net
Cholo Lennon
Jan 14, 2016, 3:28:23 PM1/14/16
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On 01/14/2016 03:41 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> "C++ in the modern world"
>
> http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/1071412/Cplusplus-in-the-modern-world
>
As always, reading comments in the article, people post silly ideas
> "C++ in the modern world"
>
> http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/1071412/Cplusplus-in-the-modern-world
>
about which language is the best (i.e. "C# and Java are for newbies").
IMO the definition of "the best" has many sides. I suppose they are
young or inexperienced programmers because, when you get older, you
realize that you have to pick the right tool for the job, and C++ is not
always the right tool (neither Java or C#)
Regards
--
Cholo Lennon
Bs.As.
ARG
Öö Tiib
Jan 14, 2016, 4:54:34 PM1/14/16
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writing code at all but doing number of other things. Maybe 10% of time
he is writing program code, maybe less. Also most of the run-time of
program it is likely running some code in some library or operating
system. In what language the programmer writes his code? It actually
does not really matter.
red floyd
Jan 14, 2016, 11:40:09 PM1/14/16
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On 1/14/2016 11:50 AM, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 1:18:19 PM UTC-6, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
>> On 1/14/2016 7:41 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> "C++ in the modern world"
>>>
>>> http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/1071412/Cplusplus-in-the-modern-world
>>>
>>> I like comics.
>>
>> Modern C++ Style.
>> <url: http://klmr.me/slides/modern-cpp.pdf>
>>
>
> A warning: that page starts off with some swearing.
> I was disappointed by that.
>
Oh for f***'s sake, get over it already.
> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 1:18:19 PM UTC-6, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
>> On 1/14/2016 7:41 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> "C++ in the modern world"
>>>
>>> http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/1071412/Cplusplus-in-the-modern-world
>>>
>>> I like comics.
>>
>> Modern C++ Style.
>> <url: http://klmr.me/slides/modern-cpp.pdf>
>>
>
> A warning: that page starts off with some swearing.
> I was disappointed by that.
>
Cholo Lennon
Jan 15, 2016, 8:12:55 AM1/15/16
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On 01/14/2016 06:54 PM, Öö Tiib wrote:
> On Thursday, 14 January 2016 22:28:23 UTC+2, Cholo Lennon wrote:
>> On 01/14/2016 03:41 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> "C++ in the modern world"
>>>
>>> http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/1071412/Cplusplus-in-the-modern-world
>>>
>>
>> As always, reading comments in the article, people post silly ideas
>> about which language is the best (i.e. "C# and Java are for newbies").
>> IMO the definition of "the best" has many sides. I suppose they are
>> young or inexperienced programmers because, when you get older, you
>> realize that you have to pick the right tool for the job, and C++ is not
>> always the right tool (neither Java or C#)
>
> Most of the time of software development experienced programmer is not
> writing code at all but doing number of other things. Maybe 10% of time
> he is writing program code, maybe less.
Well, I know several "old" programmers, guys in theirs '50s/'60s that
> On Thursday, 14 January 2016 22:28:23 UTC+2, Cholo Lennon wrote:
>> On 01/14/2016 03:41 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> "C++ in the modern world"
>>>
>>> http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/1071412/Cplusplus-in-the-modern-world
>>>
>>
>> As always, reading comments in the article, people post silly ideas
>> about which language is the best (i.e. "C# and Java are for newbies").
>> IMO the definition of "the best" has many sides. I suppose they are
>> young or inexperienced programmers because, when you get older, you
>> realize that you have to pick the right tool for the job, and C++ is not
>> always the right tool (neither Java or C#)
>
> Most of the time of software development experienced programmer is not
> writing code at all but doing number of other things. Maybe 10% of time
> he is writing program code, maybe less.
are programming like they are young people :-) but yes, senior
developers tend to code less.
> Also most of the run-time of
> program it is likely running some code in some library or operating
> system. In what language the programmer writes his code? It actually
> does not really matter.
>
Scott Lurndal
Jan 15, 2016, 9:45:40 AM1/15/16
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woodb...@gmail.com writes:
>On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 1:18:19 PM UTC-6, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
>> On 1/14/2016 7:41 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> > "C++ in the modern world"
>> >
>> > http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/1071412/Cplusplus-in-the-modern-world
>> >
>> > I like comics.
>>
>> Modern C++ Style.
>> <url: http://klmr.me/slides/modern-cpp.pdf>
>>
>
>A warning: that page starts off with some swearing.
>I was disappointed by that.
And exactly why should we care? What gives you the
>On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 1:18:19 PM UTC-6, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
>> On 1/14/2016 7:41 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> > "C++ in the modern world"
>> >
>> > http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/1071412/Cplusplus-in-the-modern-world
>> >
>> > I like comics.
>>
>> Modern C++ Style.
>> <url: http://klmr.me/slides/modern-cpp.pdf>
>>
>
>A warning: that page starts off with some swearing.
>I was disappointed by that.
right to demand a certain etiquette? It's pretty clear
that modern social norms include profanity, whether you
like it or not. It's people like you attempting to impose
their views on others that cause _all_ the problems in the
world. Religion is the root of all evil.
Scott Lurndal
Jan 15, 2016, 9:47:37 AM1/15/16
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=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=D6=F6_Tiib?= <oot...@hot.ee> writes:
>On Thursday, 14 January 2016 22:28:23 UTC+2, Cholo Lennon wrote:
>> On 01/14/2016 03:41 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> > "C++ in the modern world"
>> >
>> > http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/1071412/Cplusplus-in-the-modern-world
>> >
>>
>> As always, reading comments in the article, people post silly ideas
>> about which language is the best (i.e. "C# and Java are for newbies").
>> IMO the definition of "the best" has many sides. I suppose they are
>> young or inexperienced programmers because, when you get older, you
>> realize that you have to pick the right tool for the job, and C++ is not
>> always the right tool (neither Java or C#)
>
>Most of the time of software development experienced programmer is not
As with most generalizations, you're projecting your experiences
>On Thursday, 14 January 2016 22:28:23 UTC+2, Cholo Lennon wrote:
>> On 01/14/2016 03:41 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> > "C++ in the modern world"
>> >
>> > http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/1071412/Cplusplus-in-the-modern-world
>> >
>>
>> As always, reading comments in the article, people post silly ideas
>> about which language is the best (i.e. "C# and Java are for newbies").
>> IMO the definition of "the best" has many sides. I suppose they are
>> young or inexperienced programmers because, when you get older, you
>> realize that you have to pick the right tool for the job, and C++ is not
>> always the right tool (neither Java or C#)
>
>Most of the time of software development experienced programmer is not
upon others.
>writing code at all but doing number of other things. Maybe 10% of time
>he is writing program code, maybe less. Also most of the run-time of
>program it is likely running some code in some library or operating
>system. In what language the programmer writes his code? It actually
>does not really matter.
set of languages to use. Very few of them have anything to do with the
perceived "goodness" of the language.
Jerry Stuckle
Jan 15, 2016, 11:10:53 AM1/15/16
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themselves intelligently.
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David Brown
Jan 15, 2016, 12:21:58 PM1/15/16
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On 15/01/16 17:10, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 1/15/2016 9:45 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> woodb...@gmail.com writes:
>>> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 1:18:19 PM UTC-6, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
>>>> On 1/14/2016 7:41 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>> "C++ in the modern world"
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/1071412/Cplusplus-in-the-modern-world
>>>>>
>>>>> I like comics.
>>>>
>>>> Modern C++ Style.
>>>> <url: http://klmr.me/slides/modern-cpp.pdf>
>>>>
>>>
>>> A warning: that page starts off with some swearing.
>>> I was disappointed by that.
>>
>> And exactly why should we care? What gives you the
>> right to demand a certain etiquette? It's pretty clear
>> that modern social norms include profanity, whether you
>> like it or not. It's people like you attempting to impose
>> their views on others that cause _all_ the problems in the
>> world. Religion is the root of all evil.
>>
>
> I've found people generally use profanity when they can't express
> themselves intelligently.
>
Anyone following c.l.c has found that your ideas about how to behave are
> On 1/15/2016 9:45 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> woodb...@gmail.com writes:
>>> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 1:18:19 PM UTC-6, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
>>>> On 1/14/2016 7:41 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>> "C++ in the modern world"
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/1071412/Cplusplus-in-the-modern-world
>>>>>
>>>>> I like comics.
>>>>
>>>> Modern C++ Style.
>>>> <url: http://klmr.me/slides/modern-cpp.pdf>
>>>>
>>>
>>> A warning: that page starts off with some swearing.
>>> I was disappointed by that.
>>
>> And exactly why should we care? What gives you the
>> right to demand a certain etiquette? It's pretty clear
>> that modern social norms include profanity, whether you
>> like it or not. It's people like you attempting to impose
>> their views on others that cause _all_ the problems in the
>> world. Religion is the root of all evil.
>>
>
> I've found people generally use profanity when they can't express
> themselves intelligently.
>
not worth considering. And certainly your "discussion" there with Chad
could not be viewed as "expressing yourself intelligently".
/Excessive/ swearing is seldom necessary, except as pain relief (where
it can help significantly). But the odd "colourful" phrase as emphasis
is fine in informal contexts, and their occasional use in Usenet posts
is a lot less of an irritation than Brian's obsession about them.
Jerry Stuckle
Jan 15, 2016, 12:40:21 PM1/15/16
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On 1/15/2016 12:21 PM, David Brown wrote:
> On 15/01/16 17:10, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 1/15/2016 9:45 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> woodb...@gmail.com writes:
>>>> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 1:18:19 PM UTC-6, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
>>>>> On 1/14/2016 7:41 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>> "C++ in the modern world"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/1071412/Cplusplus-in-the-modern-world
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I like comics.
>>>>>
>>>>> Modern C++ Style.
>>>>> <url: http://klmr.me/slides/modern-cpp.pdf>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A warning: that page starts off with some swearing.
>>>> I was disappointed by that.
>>>
>>> And exactly why should we care? What gives you the
>>> right to demand a certain etiquette? It's pretty clear
>>> that modern social norms include profanity, whether you
>>> like it or not. It's people like you attempting to impose
>>> their views on others that cause _all_ the problems in the
>>> world. Religion is the root of all evil.
>>>
>>
>> I've found people generally use profanity when they can't express
>> themselves intelligently.
>>
>
> Anyone following c.l.c has found that your ideas about how to behave are
> not worth considering. And certainly your "discussion" there with Chad
> could not be viewed as "expressing yourself intelligently".
>
Sorry, David, I really don't care what you think. If you like what I
> On 15/01/16 17:10, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 1/15/2016 9:45 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> woodb...@gmail.com writes:
>>>> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 1:18:19 PM UTC-6, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
>>>>> On 1/14/2016 7:41 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>> "C++ in the modern world"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/1071412/Cplusplus-in-the-modern-world
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I like comics.
>>>>>
>>>>> Modern C++ Style.
>>>>> <url: http://klmr.me/slides/modern-cpp.pdf>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A warning: that page starts off with some swearing.
>>>> I was disappointed by that.
>>>
>>> And exactly why should we care? What gives you the
>>> right to demand a certain etiquette? It's pretty clear
>>> that modern social norms include profanity, whether you
>>> like it or not. It's people like you attempting to impose
>>> their views on others that cause _all_ the problems in the
>>> world. Religion is the root of all evil.
>>>
>>
>> I've found people generally use profanity when they can't express
>> themselves intelligently.
>>
>
> Anyone following c.l.c has found that your ideas about how to behave are
> not worth considering. And certainly your "discussion" there with Chad
> could not be viewed as "expressing yourself intelligently".
>
say, then you know where the killfile is.
> /Excessive/ swearing is seldom necessary, except as pain relief (where
> it can help significantly). But the odd "colourful" phrase as emphasis
> is fine in informal contexts, and their occasional use in Usenet posts
> is a lot less of an irritation than Brian's obsession about them.
>
intelligently. Then they try to justify the use.
woodb...@gmail.com
Jan 15, 2016, 4:33:35 PM1/15/16
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On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 8:45:40 AM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> woodb...@gmail.com writes:
> >On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 1:18:19 PM UTC-6, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
> >> On 1/14/2016 7:41 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >> > "C++ in the modern world"
> >> >
> >> > http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/1071412/Cplusplus-in-the-modern-world
> >> >
> >> > I like comics.
> >>
> >> Modern C++ Style.
> >> <url: http://klmr.me/slides/modern-cpp.pdf>
> >>
> >
> >A warning: that page starts off with some swearing.
> >I was disappointed by that.
>
> And exactly why should we care?
I don't expect everyone to care, but those who are
> woodb...@gmail.com writes:
> >On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 1:18:19 PM UTC-6, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
> >> On 1/14/2016 7:41 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >> > "C++ in the modern world"
> >> >
> >> > http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/1071412/Cplusplus-in-the-modern-world
> >> >
> >> > I like comics.
> >>
> >> Modern C++ Style.
> >> <url: http://klmr.me/slides/modern-cpp.pdf>
> >>
> >
> >A warning: that page starts off with some swearing.
> >I was disappointed by that.
>
> And exactly why should we care?
seeking to follow G-d will be glad to find a safe
place to learn about C++ programming.
> What gives you the
> right to demand a certain etiquette?
to disagree with me.
> Religion is the root of all evil.
root of all kinds of evil.
Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises
http://webEbenezer.net
Melzzzzz
Jan 15, 2016, 4:46:41 PM1/15/16
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Richard
Jan 15, 2016, 5:28:19 PM1/15/16
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[Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]
woodb...@gmail.com spake the secret code
<525307a3-8433-4a92...@googlegroups.com> thusly:
>A warning: that page starts off with some swearing.
>I was disappointed by that.
Fucking hell. Jesus Christ! Can't fucking anyone make a fucking
web fucking page without fucking swearing anymore? God damnit!
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woodb...@gmail.com spake the secret code
<525307a3-8433-4a92...@googlegroups.com> thusly:
>A warning: that page starts off with some swearing.
>I was disappointed by that.
web fucking page without fucking swearing anymore? God damnit!
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Richard
Jan 15, 2016, 5:29:58 PM1/15/16
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Jerry Stuckle <jstu...@attglobal.net> spake the secret code
<n7b5gi$ol0$1...@jstuckle.eternal-september.org> thusly:
>I've found people generally use profanity when they can't express
>themselves intelligently.
get their fucking panties all in a fucking bunch over some words, it really
makes me want to fucking puke!
Alf P. Steinbach
Jan 16, 2016, 12:26:06 AM1/16/16
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premature optimization that's the root of all evil.
Cheers & hth.,
- Alf
Gareth Owen
Jan 16, 2016, 2:11:22 AM1/16/16
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woodb...@gmail.com writes:
> I don't expect everyone to care, but those who are
> seeking to follow G-d will be glad to find a safe
> place to learn about C++ programming.
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. I think we'll
> I don't expect everyone to care, but those who are
> seeking to follow G-d will be glad to find a safe
> place to learn about C++ programming.
manage without your pimping of Middleware writer.
Jorgen Grahn
Jan 16, 2016, 2:12:43 AM1/16/16
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/Jorgen
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woodb...@gmail.com
Jan 16, 2016, 8:27:55 AM1/16/16
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elephant in the room. There are scores of topics that
I've raised that should be revisited.
Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - "He came to His own, and His own
received Him not. But as many as received Him, to them
gave He power to become the sons of G-d." John 1:11,12
http://webEbenezer.net
Daniel
Jan 16, 2016, 11:25:43 AM1/16/16
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Daniel
Mr Flibble
Jan 16, 2016, 1:04:40 PM1/16/16
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On 16/01/2016 13:27, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 1:11:22 AM UTC-6, gwowen wrote:
>> woodb...@gmail.com writes:
>>
>>> I don't expect everyone to care, but those who are
>>> seeking to follow G-d will be glad to find a safe
>>> place to learn about C++ programming.
>>
>> Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. I think we'll
>> manage without your pimping of Middleware writer.
>
>
> For years now the C++ Middleware Writer has been the
> elephant in the room. There are scores of topics that
> I've raised that should be revisited.
Only in your own mind Brian: everybody else, thanks mostly to your
> On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 1:11:22 AM UTC-6, gwowen wrote:
>> woodb...@gmail.com writes:
>>
>>> I don't expect everyone to care, but those who are
>>> seeking to follow G-d will be glad to find a safe
>>> place to learn about C++ programming.
>>
>> Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. I think we'll
>> manage without your pimping of Middleware writer.
>
>
> For years now the C++ Middleware Writer has been the
> elephant in the room. There are scores of topics that
> I've raised that should be revisited.
incoherent spam, couldn't give the slightest fuck about it sausages.
/Flibble
P.S. Please confirm you are a cunt by yet again replying with your
favourite sentence "Please don't swear here".
Jorgen Grahn
Jan 16, 2016, 1:20:38 PM1/16/16
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premature?
(Assuming the rather bad performance of iostreams in popular
implementations /is/ due to the interface design.)
Daniel
Jan 16, 2016, 2:03:46 PM1/16/16
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On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 1:20:38 PM UTC-5, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
> On Sat, 2016-01-16, Daniel wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 12:26:06 AM UTC-5, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
> >> On 1/15/2016 10:33 PM, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> Of course, but still worth mentioning, according to Donald Knuth it's
> >> premature optimization that's the root of all evil.
>
> > On the other hand, it's regrettable that the authors of iostreams
> > didn't apply a little premature optimization.
>
> Wouldn't that have been a textbook example of optimization that isn't
> premature?
Indeed, but how to tell the difference? :-)
> On Sat, 2016-01-16, Daniel wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 12:26:06 AM UTC-5, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
> >> On 1/15/2016 10:33 PM, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> Of course, but still worth mentioning, according to Donald Knuth it's
> >> premature optimization that's the root of all evil.
>
> > On the other hand, it's regrettable that the authors of iostreams
> > didn't apply a little premature optimization.
>
> Wouldn't that have been a textbook example of optimization that isn't
> premature?
>
> (Assuming the rather bad performance of iostreams in popular
> implementations /is/ due to the interface design.)
>
Would it have stayed this bad, this long, if it were not so?
> (Assuming the rather bad performance of iostreams in popular
> implementations /is/ due to the interface design.)
>
Daniel
Jorgen Grahn
Jan 17, 2016, 2:52:46 AM1/17/16
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On Sat, 2016-01-16, Daniel wrote:
> On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 1:20:38 PM UTC-5, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
>> On Sat, 2016-01-16, Daniel wrote:
>> > On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 12:26:06 AM UTC-5, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
>> >> On 1/15/2016 10:33 PM, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Of course, but still worth mentioning, according to Donald Knuth it's
>> >> premature optimization that's the root of all evil.
>>
>> > On the other hand, it's regrettable that the authors of iostreams
>> > didn't apply a little premature optimization.
>>
>> Wouldn't that have been a textbook example of optimization that isn't
>> premature?
>
> Indeed, but how to tell the difference? :-)
Isn't it quite easy in this case?
> On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 1:20:38 PM UTC-5, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
>> On Sat, 2016-01-16, Daniel wrote:
>> > On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 12:26:06 AM UTC-5, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
>> >> On 1/15/2016 10:33 PM, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Of course, but still worth mentioning, according to Donald Knuth it's
>> >> premature optimization that's the root of all evil.
>>
>> > On the other hand, it's regrettable that the authors of iostreams
>> > didn't apply a little premature optimization.
>>
>> Wouldn't that have been a textbook example of optimization that isn't
>> premature?
>
> Indeed, but how to tell the difference? :-)
>> (Assuming the rather bad performance of iostreams in popular
>> implementations /is/ due to the interface design.)
>>
> Would it have stayed this bad, this long, if it were not so?
But I've never seen an actual analysis. Perhaps I should do one ...
Rosario19
Jan 17, 2016, 3:58:18 AM1/17/16
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what is wrong,
whithout see the 10 commandaments and other rules and laws written in
Bible
Gareth Owen
Jan 17, 2016, 2:56:29 PM1/17/16
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Mr Flibble <flibbleREM...@i42.co.uk> writes:
> Only in your own mind Brian: everybody else, thanks mostly to your
> incoherent spam, couldn't give the slightest fuck about it sausages.
Don't cloffing swear, you shote-bag fusking pempslider.
> Only in your own mind Brian: everybody else, thanks mostly to your
> incoherent spam, couldn't give the slightest fuck about it sausages.
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