Oh the blood ... it is my victory

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Oh the blood ... it is my victory

No other way. No other name but through the blood sacrifice of Jesus
Christ, God Almighty. In Him, we achieve all things:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC59rgmcu34

Lyrics:

http://www.songlyrics.com/gateway-worship/o-the-blood-lyrics/#cselebx2VFVh8dPJ.99

Verse 1:
O the blood
Crimson love
Price of life's demand
Shameful sin
Placed on Him
The hope of every man

[Chorus:]
O the Blood of Jesus washes me
O the Blood of Jesus shed for me
What a sacrifice that saved my life
Yes the blood it is my victory

Verse 2:
Savior Son
Holy One
Slain so I can live
See the Lamb
The Great I Am
Who takes away my sin

[Chorus]

Bridge:
O the Blood of the Lamb
O the Blood of the Lamb
O the Blood of the Lamb
The precious Blood of the Lamb
What a sacrifice
That saved my life
Yes the Blood it is my victory

Verse 3:
O what love
No greater love
Grace how can it be
That in my sin
Yes even then
He shed His blood for me

[Chorus]

What a sacrifice that saved my life
Yes the blood it is my victory

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, September 12, 2016, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Oh the blood ... it is my victory
>
> No other way. No other name but through the blood sacrifice of Jesus
> Christ, God Almighty. In Him, we achieve all things:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC59rgmcu34
>
> Lyrics:
> http://www.songlyrics.com/gateway-worship/o-the-blood-lyrics/#cselebx2VFVh8dPJ.99

Here's a powerful sermon that teaches us about Jesus Christ and our need
of salvation. This pastor is sometimes very passionate. :-)

Sermon entitled, "The Lord's Prayer"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pupPSlzZmkw

-----
Some highlights:

Seek truthfully and you will find out He's real:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pupPSlzZmkw&t=29m36s

He doesn't force Himself into your life, but knocks continually:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pupPSlzZmkw&t=31m09s

What comes after your someday appointment with death?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pupPSlzZmkw&t=9m49s

What do you do when your personal beliefs fail you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pupPSlzZmkw&t=10m29s

Where's Hell?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pupPSlzZmkw&t=10m54s

Are you guiltless?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pupPSlzZmkw&t=12m59s

It's not what you do, it's Who you know:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pupPSlzZmkw&t=13m49s

Without the new birth you're completely dead to God:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pupPSlzZmkw&t=17m9s

Horrible apostasy in our society (effeminate):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pupPSlzZmkw&t=20m11s

Promiscuity:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pupPSlzZmkw&t=23m39s

-----
Here's one from yesterday. Ever wonder who the enemy is? He is Lucifer,
Satan (accuser) by name. But who is he? Why is he so powerful?

"#5 Lucifer: Satan, The Former Cherub"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GNCDGoYwls

Here's a related sermon which talks about the invisible war going on
around us. We can't see the enemy (Lucifer/Satan), but we can see his
handiwork in the hate and death all over this world. Jesus shows us
the way (the only way) out of that hate and death, because only Jesus
gives us the new birth, the forgiveness of sin, the ability to be
completely set free from the enemy's lies and deception:

The Invisible War
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDVWvOQvlK8

This is one of my favorite sermons of all time. It teaches us so much
about who our enemy is, and why so many people in the world are doing
nonstop evil/bad things.

[Real Troll]

On 12/09/2016 20:08, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Here's a powerful sermon that teaches us about Jesus Christ

Does it teach you whether he was circumcised or not? He was Jewish
wasn't he? All good Jewish are generally circumcised so that they don't
abuse young boys. Christians don't do this so all child abuse occurs
among radical Christians.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Real Troll wrote:
> On 12/09/2016 20:08, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > Here's a powerful sermon that teaches us about Jesus Christ
>
> Does it teach you whether he was circumcised or not?

Jesus came to the Earth to fulfill the Law, and change our relationship
with God by ushering in the age of Grace.

He was circumcised on the eighth day, and given His name:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/luke/2-21.htm
22 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising
of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named
of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.

http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/5-17.htm
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the
prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

On the eighth day the unnecessary flesh is discarded. God created
the Heaven and Earth in six days, and on the seventh day He rested.
He has a seven thousand year plan for the Earth, and we are on
the absolute cusp of the end of the sixth day, about ready to usher
in the seventh day, or the last thousand years of our time here on this
Earth.

After that, we discard our flesh, and the eternal day begins: the eighth
day, as it were.

When Jesus raised Lazarus, he was four days dead, or four thousand
years on the Earth scale, and there was a bad odor (sin was everywhere,
and corruption of sin).

http://biblehub.com/kjv/john/11-17.htm
17 Then when Jesus came, he found that he [Lazarus] had lain in
the grave four days already.

But Jesus waited two days before coming to resurrect Lazarus:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/john/11-6.htm
6 When he had heard therefore that he was sick, he abode
two days still in the same place where he was.

We have timescales in Biblical parables which tell us what's coming
and when. We don't always see the details, but the broad strokes are
there.

The Bible is not only consistent, but it's a teacher because it
was penned through men by God's Holy Spirit, which makes it alive,
living and active.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 9/12/2016 8:17 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Real Troll wrote:
>> On 12/09/2016 20:08, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> Here's a powerful sermon that teaches us about Jesus Christ
>>
>> Does it teach you whether he was circumcised or not?
>
> Jesus came to the Earth to fulfill the Law, and change our relationship
> with God by ushering in the age of Grace.
>
> He was circumcised on the eighth day, and given His name:

Ummm... You mean his normal psychical body was exposed to a nut case
with a knife, in the name of religion! Wow. What a symmetry:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation

god is great Rick. Wow.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

BTW, some as$hole did that to me when I was a little baby. Wow. God is
great!

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 9/12/2016 8:17 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> Real Troll wrote:
>> On 12/09/2016 20:08, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> Here's a powerful sermon that teaches us about Jesus Christ
>>
>> Does it teach you whether he was circumcised or not?
>
> Jesus came to the Earth to fulfill the Law, and change our relationship
> with God by ushering in the age of Grace.
>
> He was circumcised on the eighth day, and given His name:

[...]

If god told you to do something, you would do it right, Rick?

lol.

[red floyd]

On 9/12/2016 8:12 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> [redacted]

What the F*** is your major malfunction, dude?

Take this to a newsgroup that cares... maybe somewhere
under alt.religion or soc.religion

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 1:01:57 AM UTC-4, red floyd wrote:
> Take this to a newsgroup that cares... maybe somewhere
> under alt.religion or soc.religion

Jesus Christ gives people eternal life. He's the only one who can because
of what He did at the cross. Whereas there are many in alt.religion and
soc.religion who also need to know this, there are others in the world
who will never visit alt.religion or soc.religion, so to only go there and
teach the message of salvation and eternal life through Jesus Christ is ...
less than adequate ... as it leaves many billions exposed to the false
teachings of the anti-Christ enemy (Satan, and all his demon imps).

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Chris, are you so unengaged as to only receive those things the power
bases of this world feed you (government, school, media, social media)?
Do you have eyes and ears to see and hear, and a mind of your own with
which to think? Why do you mock me for thinking with my mind, and
using my eyes and ears?

I've written several times before: I was an atheist until 2004. And
I was a devout atheist of the Penn Jillette kind. Profanity, seeking
self interests, allowing other people to have their religion so long
as they kept it over there and out of my face, etc.

I met Jesus Christ in 2004, and He changed me. The Rick that was
literally ... literally ... died that day. I am now a different Rick,
and I have been changed from within.

What I experienced is called the "new birth" which is why people say
they are "born again," and why the Bible records you must be "born
again" or you cannot see the Kingdom of God.

God Himself performs this miracle within you. You become augmented,
more than you were before, not only seeing with your natural eyes,
and not only hearing with your natural ears, but now you have spiritual
components giving you input and influence, and they are stronger than
the natural input. You are able to know things through that spiritual
life that you could not know in your natural-only man.

I can't make you believe, Chris. But I can tell you that which God
Himself commands me to tell you, and that which is required to come
to this knowledge: seek the truth, and pursue it with great vigor.
Do not listen to the anti-Christ enemy spirit at work in all of the
power bases in this world. Seek out the real and true answers for
your own answers, for your own satisfaction.

You will be then as is described here:

Seek truthfully and you will find out He's real:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pupPSlzZmkw&t=29m36s

I pray you do, Chris. You are an incredible creation of God with
tremendous value beyond measure. It's why God has invested time and
energy in reaching you. He stands at the door and knocks and will
not force His way in, but He asks to come in. If you receive Him
into your heart, and ask forgiveness of your sin, then you too will
receive salvation and you too will know what it means to be born again.
And you too will then have the exceedingly difficult task thrust upon
your shoulders of trying to explain it to people who have no eyes or
ears to understand it, and that they only way they can know it is to
seek the truth so that God can make the change within them that makes
it possible to actually come to know the truth, so that the truth will
make them free.

-----
There is eternal life in Jesus Christ, Chris. The enemy knows this,
which is why he puts up such an effort to discredit God, Jesus Christ,
His followers, and the Message. But if you press in and seek the truth,
God is greater than Satan and He will make it possible for you to come
to the proper knowledge. It will be all Him, and not me or any other
Christian (preacher or otherwise). It will be solely between you and
God, and you too will know what I have come to know since 2004.

I pray you do, Chris. I would like to see you in Heaven.

[Real Troll]

On 13/09/2016 13:25, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Jesus Christ gives people eternal life.

You seem to be saying this but you haven't produced any evidence to this
yet. First tell us how old was he before he was killed? Also tell us
how does this reconcile with your concept of "eternal life".

Please also tell us how many children he had when he died.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

The attitude you possess toward Him is what separates you from Him. I
could answer all of your questions, give you proper and true answers
that are well descriptive, easy to be understood, but because you have
a heart full of preconceived notions and ideas regarding the falseness
of it all, you will never be able to receive any of it. I'll be
speaking in a language you can't understand. It would be like someone
with all of the answers to all of the questions to everything in the
universe sitting beside you reading them out one by one in another
language. You would hear, but not understand, and from within your
not understanding would come derision and insults.

You must first set your sights on the truth, "Real Troll." When you
begin with that pursuit, it won't be me who will be teaching you about
Him, but it will be Him teaching you about Himself.

[Bo Persson]

On 2016-09-13 19:35, Real Troll wrote:
> On 13/09/2016 13:25, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> Jesus Christ gives people eternal life.
> You seem to be saying this but you haven't produced any evidence to this
> yet. First tell us how old was he before he was killed? Also tell us
> how does this reconcile with your concept of "eternal life".

He was just slightly dead for a few days, and then supposedly lived
again. Infinity - 3 is still infinity, so close enough to eternal life.

>
> Please also tell us how many children he had when he died.

That's classified.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 1:29:45 PM UTC-4, Real Troll wrote:

> On 13/09/2016 13:25, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > Jesus Christ gives people eternal life.

> [snip] ... First tell us how old was he before he was killed?

Your question contains an incorrect foundation. You say "before he was
killed." Leaving the fact alone that it should be "He" (capital H), He
was not killed. He was not guilty. He did not die on the cross because
of nails. God the Father transferred the sin of all those who would put
their faith in Jesus Christ onto His Son, and then turned His back on
Him, so that Jesus could bear the full weight of sin for all of them.
Jesus even cried out from the cross when this happened:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/27-46.htm
46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying,
Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why
hast thou forsaken me?

God had to turn away from sin, and Jesus had become sin in our place.
He then voluntarily gave up the ghost. He did not die from His wounds,
nor from any of man's punishment. He chose to die in this manner:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/john/19-30.htm
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is
finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/27-50.htm
50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the
ghost.

He was not weak at the end, as in being at the point of death. He had
mental faculties able to converse with the thief on the cross who
repented. He was able to speak. He was coherent. And there at the
end He cried out with a loud voice, and voluntarily gave up the Ghost.

Many have wondered why He cried out with a loud voice. I believe He
was beginning to see the torment of Hell coming that He would endure
in our place. But, I don't know for sure. It is recorded in scripture
for a reason though.

So, on Earth, Jesus stepped out of Heaven and was born as a baby and
lived about 33.5 years when He went to the cross. He began His ministry
when He was about 30, so about three years of teaching here on the Earth.

His body was as ours, born as a man, of the flesh, but that which was
inside of Him, it was God Himself. Just like how we have our body,
but what dwells inside of us is the true us, the one that will be united
with a perfect body on the other side of death, such that we also are all
eternal beings, but here in this flesh we only see our years here, and
our life here, because we're spiritually dead because of sin. But when
Jesus takes our sin away, we are born again, spiritually alive, able to
know the things which are of God, which are eternal. And it changes
everything for us.

> Also tell us how does this reconcile with your concept of "eternal life".

Our bodies are a presentation of us. We are three-fold beings, just as
God is. We are soul, body, spirit, just as God is God the Father, God
the Son, God the Holy Spirit. After we die, we will go on. It will be
us because our soul is real. We will have a new body that will not wear
out, but will endure up to all things. For some it will be in Heaven
enduring the love and paradise of God's House, for many others it will
be in Hell enduring the flames. And where we wind up depends exactly on
what we did while here in our flesh-based bodies with Jesus Christ,
because this is where our sin is, and this is where Jesus came to set
us free from that sin.

> Please also tell us how many children he had when he died.

None biologically, but all those who put their faith in Him are given the
right to become sons of God.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 9/13/2016 11:57 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 1:29:45 PM UTC-4, Real Troll wrote:
>> On 13/09/2016 13:25, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> Jesus Christ gives people eternal life.
>> [snip] ... First tell us how old was he before he was killed?
>
> Your question contains an incorrect foundation. You say "before he was
> killed." Leaving the fact alone that it should be "He" (capital H), He
> was not killed.

[...]

Jesus most certainly was beaten to a bloody pulp, and killed. But,
before he bit the dust, he got fuc%ing pissed of and said: "My God, my
God, why have you forsaken me!"

[Rick C. Hodgin]

And right there is your condemnation, Chris. Jesus will not send you to
Hell. You send yourself to Hell because you flatly reject Him, because
He would receive you if you would receive Him. The only barriers up
between you and eternal life are those you are erecting yourself.

He won't violate your volition ... He lets you choose:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pupPSlzZmkw&t=31m22s

[Real Troll]

On 13/09/2016 18:36, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> The attitude you possess toward Him is what separates you from Him. I
> could answer all of your questions, give you proper and true answers
> that are well descriptive, easy to be understood, but because you have
> a heart full of preconceived notions and ideas regarding the falseness
> of it all, you will never be able to receive any of it. I'll be
> speaking in a language you can't understand. It would be like someone
> with all of the answers to all of the questions to everything in the
> universe sitting beside you reading them out one by one in another
> language. You would hear, but not understand, and from within your
> not understanding would come derision and insults.
>
> You must first set your sights on the truth, "Real Troll." When you
> begin with that pursuit, it won't be me who will be teaching you about
> Him, but it will be Him teaching you about Himself.
>
> Best regards,
> Rick C. Hodgin

If you don't know the answers to my genuine questions then say so and
stop bull-shitting people on these newsgroups. There is no place for
religion in the 21st century; People are educated and they know better
than your Jesus Christ.

In fact I would say there was no such thing as Jesus Christ. IT is all
a story created by idiots like you to fool the masses who were
uneducated and so the only way to control them was to frighten them;
You keep telling us about HELL and all that crap. What the fuck is HELL
and how do you know about it. There is no HELL. You die, you die.
PERIOD. People don't go anywhere after their death. There is no HELL or
HEAVEN. Its just DEATH. Period, kaput, dead, shit call what you may.
Stop peddling your religious propaganda because you are wasting your
time here.

I do posses attitude towards anybody who is so idiot to waste time
talking about something which I don't believe. You are an idiot and the
only people who can save you are scientists and doctors. NOT your JESUS
fucking Christ. He has caused more problems while scientists have
solved many problems.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 9/13/2016 12:58 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 3:53:23 PM UTC-4, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 9/13/2016 11:57 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 1:29:45 PM UTC-4, Real Troll wrote:
>>>> On 13/09/2016 13:25, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>>> Jesus Christ gives people eternal life.
>>>> [snip] ... First tell us how old was he before he was killed?
>>>
>>> Your question contains an incorrect foundation. You say "before he was
>>> killed." Leaving the fact alone that it should be "He" (capital H), He
>>> was not killed.
>> [...]
>>
>> Jesus most certainly was beaten to a bloody pulp, and killed. But,
>> before he bit the dust, he got fuc%ing pissed of and said: "My God, my
>> God, why have you forsaken me!"
>
> And right there is your condemnation, Chris.

What part of what I wrote was wrong? I thought the Romans beat the
living shi% out Him... Then killed Him. No?

[Real Troll]

On 13/09/2016 23:24, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>
> What part of what I wrote was wrong? I thought the Romans beat the
> living shi% out Him... Then killed Him. No?
>
>

If Jesus wasn't killed then surely, by the process of deduction and
elimination, we can confidently deduce that there was no body called
Jesus. What we are seeing in pictures or reading in bible is a big
story for the masses to pass time during an era when there was no TV,
Radio or Computers. People needed something to do at night so they
started inventing stories and entertained themselves.

Rick has made this into a religion and now he is trying to fool
everybody here.

He should be stoned to death. We should ask the Chinese to deal with
him because Chinese don't believe in such stupidity; No wonder they are
prospering while people like Rick are putting us behind them because of
lies and story telling.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 9/13/2016 3:45 PM, Real Troll wrote:
> On 13/09/2016 23:24, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>
>> What part of what I wrote was wrong? I thought the Romans beat the
>> living shi% out Him... Then killed Him. No?
>>
>>
>
> If Jesus wasn't killed then surely, by the process of deduction and
> elimination, we can confidently deduce that there was no body called
> Jesus.

I do believe that Jesus existed, and that he got beaten into a bloody
pulp, and killed. Rick seems to be trying to tell me that He was not
killed. I do not think he seems to understand the difference between the
body and soul.

> What we are seeing in pictures or reading in bible is a big
> story for the masses to pass time during an era when there was no TV,
> Radio or Computers. People needed something to do at night so they
> started inventing stories and entertained themselves.
>
> Rick has made this into a religion and now he is trying to fool
> everybody here.


> He should be stoned to death.

Na. That's bad. Really bad. Don't they bury you up to your head, then
keep throwing rocks until your head has no moment in it for a couple of
hours? Rick is very, VERY, VERY annoying, but I do not want this to
happen to anybody... Well, perhaps a child molester! Okay, a lot of
priests/terrorists should be punished beyond measure.

;^)

> We should ask the Chinese to deal with
> him because Chinese don't believe in such stupidity; No wonder they are
> prospering while people like Rick are putting us behind them because of
> lies and story telling.

Yeah... I think Religion is very primitive, and can hold one back.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Jesus Christ was not killed at the cross. He voluntarily chose to
die. Romans 6:23 teaches us that those who sin die:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/romans/6-23.htm
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal
life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Jesus never sinned. He wasn't born in sin. He was born of a virgin
by the power of God. He came in to this world for the express
purpose of going to the cross to atone for our sin. The entire history
and practice of the Jews sacrificing animals to atone for sin was a
foreshadowing of the real atonement which would come through
Jesus Christ.

God had made a way out for sin even before He created the world.
It was in His plan from the beginning to save us.

Jesus healed the sick, cleansed the lepers, raised the dead. He could've
healed Himself. He could've come down from the cross. He
could've called upon 10s of thousands of angels to rescue Him and
destroy mankind. But He didn't. He stayed on the cross, took on
sin, and died to pay the price for sin.

Heaven isn't free. Jesus paid the price for us to be there. But He
does not charge us to receive salvation. It is His gift to us, because
He loves us.

It's the greatest example of love imaginable. And it can be yours
merely by receiving Him into your heart, in asking Him to forgive
you for your sin.

Ever sin? Even one time? (Ever told a lie, stolen something, had sex
outside of marriage, lusted after someone) ... if the answer is yes,
you need a savior. You need Jesus to forgive you so that you
won't be judged, so that you will live on and thrive in eternity.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

A powerful sermon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdWcqG1coj4

Paraphrased:

"Atheist, agnostic, shake your fist at God.
Ask God to prove Himself to you. He will."

Paraphrased:

"What a wonderful thing it is to have fellowship with God."

-----
A whole new world of love and inner peace awaits all who come
to Jesus Christ and ask forgiveness. It is unlike other things, being
far more powerful and complete. It is the life within you made
alive again, welling up unto joy unspeakable. Precious and dear.

[Wouter van Ooijen]

> Paraphrased:
>
> "Atheist, agnostic, shake your fist at God.
> Ask God to prove Himself to you. He will."

OK, I shook my fist. Now how long do I have to wait?

This smells of an undecidable problem: how can I know that god (no
capitals for imaginary beings) will ever prove himself, and what would
constitute a proof anyway?

Wouter "Objects? No Thanks!" van Ooijen

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 12:30:12 PM UTC-4, Wouter van Ooijen wrote:
> > Paraphrased:
> >
> > "Atheist, agnostic, shake your fist at God.
> > Ask God to prove Himself to you. He will."
>
> OK, I shook my fist. Now how long do I have to wait?

It shouldn't take longer than 11 hours, 19 minutes. :-)

Actually, it's the process. You ask Him to prove Himself to you, and in
fact He's already been working on you throughout your life, and in the
preceding weeks and months leading up to it. You have already had hints
of Him that you are not able to deny, even though you try. And from this
time forward, if you are honestly seeking to know if God is real or not,
and are not just saying the words without a true heart's intent on knowing
whether He's real or not, then you will start to know things. Things you
can't explain will begin happening to you. You'll know things you couldn't
know about situations, about yourself, about God, and so on. These will be
given to you spiritually by God. They won't come through your natural
senses, so you'll begin to be aware of new things, and as someone who has
not had a sense working before, once it starts turning on it takes them a
while to be able to explain what it's like ... but you will just know because
it's part of you.

> This smells of an undecidable problem: how can I know that god (no
> capitals for imaginary beings) will ever prove himself, and what would
> constitute a proof anyway?

It's one of those things ... you will simply know. How will you just know?
It's like looking across a room with lots of furniture in it, and seeing
the way across. To a blind man you are aware of information he could never
know. But, you just know because your eyes tell you. When God is revealing
Himself to you, you will know. It will be personal, and you'll actually say
out loud something like, "Huh. Interesting."

It's new parts of you turning on. That's the only way it's possible to know
God because we're dead because of sin. He has to give us new life, which is
why why the flesh can't understand any of the things of God. You need the
spirit to comprehend. And when you have it, as the blind man doesn't know,
and the flesh can't know, the seeing man can know, as the spiritually alive
man can know.

-----
If you truly asked Him to reveal Himself to you ... be prepared for the
entirety of the rest of your life to change. It's an amazing calling, and
it has so many facets ... but be warned, the enemy will try to come and
deceive you. To trick you, or fool you, or trip you up in some way. But
if you keep repeating your desire to know if God is real, to seek Him out
if He is, God will know this, and the devil will not be able to fool you.

God is able to keep those who are His on the right path, despite our best
efforts, and the enemy's best efforts, to derail us. God is greater in
all ways.

[Wouter van Ooijen]

Op 15-Sep-16 om 6:54 PM schreef Rick C. Hodgin:

> On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 12:30:12 PM UTC-4, Wouter van Ooijen wrote:
>>> Paraphrased:
>>>
>>> "Atheist, agnostic, shake your fist at God.
>>> Ask God to prove Himself to you. He will."
>>
>> OK, I shook my fist. Now how long do I have to wait?
>
> It shouldn't take longer than 11 hours, 19 minutes. :-)
>
> Actually, it's the process. You ask Him to prove Himself to you, and in
> fact He's already been working on you throughout your life, and in the
> preceding weeks and months leading up to it. You have already had hints
> of Him that you are not able to deny, even though you try.

Hmm you must use a different meaning for some of those words, because up
to now I succeed very well in denying, without putting much effort in it.

> And from this
> time forward, if you are honestly seeking to know if God is real or not,
> and are not just saying the words without a true heart's intent on knowing
> whether He's real or not, then you will start to know things.

I certainly know things. But what you say sound more like your
definition of 'honestly seeking'. By that definition I am definitely not
'honestly seeking'.

>> This smells of an undecidable problem: how can I know that god (no
>> capitals for imaginary beings) will ever prove himself, and what would
>> constitute a proof anyway?

> It's one of those things ... you will simply know.

If 'you simply know' is a valid argument for god it is a valid argument
for anything.

> If you truly asked Him to reveal Himself to you ... be prepared for the
> entirety of the rest of your life to change. It's an amazing calling, and
> it has so many facets ... but be warned, the enemy will try to come and
> deceive you. To trick you, or fool you, or trip you up in some way. But
> if you keep repeating your desire to know if God is real, to seek Him out
> if He is, God will know this, and the devil will not be able to fool you.

When I was a teenager I had some friends who were moderately into drugs
(yeah, I am Dutch), who used roughly the same words. I was never tempted.

> Best regards,
> Rick C. Hodgin

Same to you, but for now I'll change my 'middle name'

Wouter "Deities? No Thanks!" van Ooijen

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 2:09:26 PM UTC-4, Wouter van Ooijen wrote:
> Op 15-Sep-16 om 6:54 PM schreef Rick C. Hodgin:
> > On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 12:30:12 PM UTC-4, Wouter van Ooijen wrote:
> >>> Paraphrased:
> >>>
> >>> "Atheist, agnostic, shake your fist at God.
> >>> Ask God to prove Himself to you. He will."
> >>
> >> OK, I shook my fist. Now how long do I have to wait?
> >
> > It shouldn't take longer than 11 hours, 19 minutes. :-)
> >
> > Actually, it's the process. You ask Him to prove Himself to you, and in
> > fact He's already been working on you throughout your life, and in the
> > preceding weeks and months leading up to it. You have already had hints
> > of Him that you are not able to deny, even though you try.
>
> Hmm you must use a different meaning for some of those words, because up
> to now I succeed very well in denying, without putting much effort in it.

Not at all. For those who will be saved this will be their experience.
For those who will not be saved, God will honor their rejection of Him
and send them a strong delusion so that they might believe the lie.

The man without a fear of God, and without their sins forgiven by Jesus
Christ, is the most loathsome thing in existence, for such a one is, by
their choice, wrought of sin, wrapped in sin, engaged in sin, and doing
only harmful and sinful things. Such a person is like a cancer, which
is why God sends them a strong delusion so that they will not come to
Jesus Christ, will not ask Him for forgiveness otherwise they would be
saved.

God is keeping His eternal house clean. No sin will ever enter into it.
He's made a special place for sin, which is the place called Hell. It
is a place of eternal isolation, where the cancer that is sin cannot
enter into God's creation and wreak havoc, for we are all eternal beings,
and those who embrace sin reject truth and rightness ... by definition.
It's why they're isolated from God's perfect design.

God honors our choices. He gives us volition. For those who will not
be saved ... there is no hope for you. You will never come to know of
Jesus Christ until that day you stand before Him in eternity to be judged.

But for everyone else who will be saved, it will be as I have explained.
God's anger is poured out unto sin, not unto righteousness, and for all
who ask forgiveness of Jesus Christ, God doesn't see us in sin, but He
sees us in righteousness. He sees His own Son in our sin at the cross,
which is why He looked away from His Son in that final moment, because
God is so Holy, Holy, Holy, that He cannot look upon sin.

Jesus reconciled all of the world (all people everywhere) unto Himself
at the cross. He paid the price for everybody's sin. And God the Father
has put judgment into His Hands. Only those written in the Lamb's Book
of Life will be saved. The rest will be cast into outer darkness, into
the lake of fire and eternal damnation.

This is no small matter. This is the most critical thing about your
life. It's why I spend this time writing these posts. There is a day of
your appointed death coming. You will keep it because it's not yours to
miss out on. It is God's, for He has numbered your days and it cannot be
altered.

On that day you will meet Jesus Christ either as a lamb or a lion. If as
a lamb, you will be safe. He will have covered your sin and you will not
go into condemnation. But if as a lion, even as a young lion, that day
will come upon you and crush all your bones. There will be nothing left
of you except agony and torment ... forever.

It's why I write these things, because nobody world-wide needs to go there.
Only those who reject Him of their own volition will go there, and they
will have sent themselves there with a full-on running charge and a grand
leap of their own will. And the defensive line they ran through to make
it to that place of leaping into the flames will be riddled with a life's
history of men and women like me, angelic buffeting, Godly calling, and a
known inner voice knocking on your soul, all of which you rejected to get
there.

You will have maneuvered your way purposefully, carefully, cautiously
toward that end, and the fruit of your choices, of your labor toward your
evasion of God and everything related to God, will be the eternal torment
of your soul. And there will be no denying it. There will be no case
where somebody calls foul. You will give an account of your life and you
will condemn yourself time and time and time and time and time and time
and time again.

How patient God was with you. How many years He gave you to grow up and
come out of your rebellion and recognize your need for forgiveness, and
how hard hearted you would've had to be to continue denying Him all of
that time.

-----
It's your choice, Wouter. I urge you to choose life, to choose to ask
forgiveness of your sin from Jesus Christ because the alternative is
completely unbearable. But if you are not one who will be saved, you
will find that out soon enough for yourself. But I pray earnestly that
you are one who will be saved ... because the end of a life lived against
Jesus Christ ... is ... completely ... unbearable. Nobody returns from
that end. Ever.

[Wouter van Ooijen]

Op 15-Sep-16 om 8:26 PM schreef Rick C. Hodgin:

> On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 2:09:26 PM UTC-4, Wouter van Ooijen wrote:
>> Op 15-Sep-16 om 6:54 PM schreef Rick C. Hodgin:
>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 12:30:12 PM UTC-4, Wouter van Ooijen wrote:
>>>>> Paraphrased:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Atheist, agnostic, shake your fist at God.
>>>>> Ask God to prove Himself to you. He will."
>>>>
>>>> OK, I shook my fist. Now how long do I have to wait?
>>>
>>> It shouldn't take longer than 11 hours, 19 minutes. :-)
>>>
>>> Actually, it's the process. You ask Him to prove Himself to you, and in
>>> fact He's already been working on you throughout your life, and in the
>>> preceding weeks and months leading up to it. You have already had hints
>>> of Him that you are not able to deny, even though you try.
>>
>> Hmm you must use a different meaning for some of those words, because up
>> to now I succeed very well in denying, without putting much effort in it.
>
> Not at all. For those who will be saved this will be their experience.
> For those who will not be saved, God will honor their rejection of Him
> and send them a strong delusion so that they might believe the lie.
>
> The man without a fear of God, and without their sins forgiven by Jesus
> Christ, is the most loathsome thing in existence, for such a one is, by
> their choice, wrought of sin, wrapped in sin, engaged in sin, and doing
> only harmful and sinful things. Such a person is like a cancer, which
> is why God sends them a strong delusion so that they will not come to
> Jesus Christ, will not ask Him for forgiveness otherwise they would be
> saved.

Obviously, this applies to me. Reminds me of Hozier's song "take me to
church".

> God honors our choices. He gives us volition. For those who will not
> be saved ... there is no hope for you. You will never come to know of
> Jesus Christ until that day you stand before Him in eternity to be judged.

I think we will have an interesting conversation!

> It's your choice, Wouter. I urge you to choose life

I most definitely do! This life, here, that I experience now, with my
beloveds. None of which are imaginary.

> forgiveness of your sin

*My* sin? If I have sinned, it is for none but me to sand for that. I
won't let anyone else, imaginary or not, take that from me.

Wouter "Imaginary friends? No thanks, I have real ones" van Ooijen

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 4:42:08 PM UTC-4, Wouter van Ooijen wrote:
> Op 15-Sep-16 om 8:26 PM schreef Rick C. Hodgin:

> > forgiveness of your sin
>
> *My* sin? If I have sinned, it is for none but me to sand for that. I
> won't let anyone else, imaginary or not, take that from me.

You will not be able to stand for it. It will be the end of you. If you
care so little about your existence as to go down that path, God will
honor your desire, as He wants no people who seek such things in His
Kingdom, which is why He created Hell (to isolate those in pursuit of sin
from everything that is alive).

http://biblehub.com/kjv/luke/8-17.htm
17 For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither
any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.

http://biblehub.com/kjv/luke/12-2.htm
2 For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither
hid, that shall not be known.

http://biblehub.com/kjv/mark/4-22.htm
22 For there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested; neither
was any thing kept secret, but that it should come abroad.

http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/10-26.htm
26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall
not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.

Your sin is known to God. And it will be known to all. You will not be
able to hide from it, and it will utterly destroy you.

This is why God came to the Earth to save men.

If you had a son and he had done some wrong, wouldn't you try to figure
out a way to save him? At the very least hire the best lawyers, or do
something to help him out?

God did this for us, and to the extent where He went before the judge
and said, "Put his guilt on me, and I'll pay the price for it." It was
His gift to us from before the foundation of the world:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/revelation/13-8.htm
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names
are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the
foundation of the world.

Those who reject God will embrace Satan, and take his mark in the end
days. They will be the damned. The condemned. The walking dead.

-----
To reject the offer of Jesus Christ to atone for your sin is the ultimate
and final act of rebellion against God, and it is your final proclamation
to all of the created universe: "I DO NOT WANT YOU, GOD! I WANT TO END
MY OWN EXISTENCE IN HELL RATHER THAN BE FORGIVEN BY YOU AND LIVE ON IN
ETERNITY IN THE PARADISE OF GOD."

What person makes that choice? It is the one who loves sin ahead of truth.
It is the one whose name is not written down in the Lamb's Book of Life.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodign

[Wouter van Ooijen]

> God did this for us, and to the extent where He went before the judge

Now it gets a bit complicated. Who was that judge?

Wouter

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 10:44:40 AM UTC-4, Wouter van Ooijen wrote:
> > God did this for us, and to the extent where He went before the judge
>
> Now it gets a bit complicated. Who was that judge?

God is God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. It's the same
as you: soul, body, spirit.

God is one, and He went before Himself, His own rules, that which He
originated to keep order in His Creation, and He made a way out for you
in your sin.

He is not interested in condemning anyone ... but He will keep order in
His House. All who come to Him and ask forgiveness are forgiven. All.
No exceptions. The only people who will not be forgiven are those who
flatly reject His offer.

It would be like some right philanthropist saying, "Everyone who comes
to me and receives my gift will receive a million dollars," and the
someone choosing not go to. The offer was yours for the taking, but you
must receive it to have it.

Jesus has paid the price for your sin, but you must receive His gift
before it becomes yours, otherwise it goes unused, and your sin remains
on you, and the punishment of sin is poured out on you instead of Him,
and you're never coming back from that, whereas He did (because He's God
Almighty).

[Wouter van Ooijen]

Op 16-Sep-16 om 4:54 PM schreef Rick C. Hodgin:

> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 10:44:40 AM UTC-4, Wouter van Ooijen wrote:
>>> God did this for us, and to the extent where He went before the judge
>>
>> Now it gets a bit complicated. Who was that judge?
>
> God is God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. It's the same
> as you: soul, body, spirit.

Nope, I am just one.

> God is one, and He went before Himself, His own rules, that which He
> originated to keep order in His Creation, and He made a way out for you
> in your sin.

I don't see anything brave or nice in appearing before yourself to judge
yourself acoording to your own rules. (And then punshing yourself, only
to save yourself at the last moment. Or somewhat later.)

For an excellent explanation of these matters:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mII6-IyaT3o

Wouter

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 1:01:40 PM UTC-4, Wouter van Ooijen wrote:
> Op 16-Sep-16 om 4:54 PM schreef Rick C. Hodgin:
> > On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 10:44:40 AM UTC-4, Wouter van Ooijen wrote:
> >>> God did this for us, and to the extent where He went before the judge
> >>
> >> Now it gets a bit complicated. Who was that judge?
> >
> > God is God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. It's the same
> > as you: soul, body, spirit.
>
> Nope, I am just one.
>
> > God is one, and He went before Himself, His own rules, that which He
> > originated to keep order in His Creation, and He made a way out for you
> > in your sin.
>
> I don't see anything brave or nice in appearing before yourself to judge
> yourself acoording to your own rules. (And then punshing yourself, only
> to save yourself at the last moment. Or somewhat later.)

You will. Everyone will. You will stand stripped of your sinful flesh
and your self-seeking pursuits, naked before God, exposed with all your
lies, your hypocrisy. And you will tremble in fear before His awesome
presence. You will give an account of your life and you will self-condemn.
You will be taken hold of, carried to the precipice, and cast into the
eternal lake of fire. And the last thing written in the book of you
will be: "And Wouter was cast into the lake of fire. The end."

http://biblehub.com/kjv/romans/14-11.htm
11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall
bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

http://biblehub.com/kjv/philippians/2-10.htm
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things
in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of God with sin.

http://biblehub.com/kjv/hebrews/10-31.htm
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

We are even told to work out our salvation with trembling and fear:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/philippians/2-12.htm
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my
presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your
own salvation with fear and trembling.

All of this information is there for you to receive and learn from.
Only a fool would turn away from it upon the testimony of many who
point to its accuracy, it's ability to change a person completely from
the inside out, as is demonstrable by the way they conduct their own
lives in the presence of others.

[Wouter van Ooijen]

> You will give an account of your life and you will self-condemn.

Now that's something I won't argue with! I am accoutable for what I do,
and I am accountable to myself.

> All of this information is there for you to receive and learn from.
> Only a fool would turn away from it upon the testimony of many who
> point to its accuracy

In my mind the correctness of a religion (or any other theory) isn't a
matter of voting. I it were, Christianity (and Islam too) would loose by
a wide margin against the Chinese beliefs.

cheers,
Wouter "Deities? No thanks" van Ooijen

[Rick C. Hodgin]

To all Christians, please join with me in prayer:

Our Father, glory to Your name, and to Your Son, and Your Holy Spirit.
We ask You to pour out Your Holy Spirit upon the inmost hearts and minds
of those men and women who will be saved, that they might be drawn to
Your Son, come to repentance, ask forgiveness for their sin, an be saved
by His blood. May You surround them with Your holy angels, leading them
toward right and proper things, away from sin, toward holiness, prompted
from within to a pursuit of Your Holy Spirit and all truth. May You call
out to every person from within, and draw them near to You so that they
too might receive salvation.

We come before You, our Father, through the blood of Your Son, Jesus
Christ. We ask You for grace and mercy in our lives, and for the lives
of those whom You have placed around us, even all people. May we
receive Your gift of salvation.

May Your will be done here on Earth as it is in Heaven. May You be
magnified and glorified in our hearts and minds, actions and deeds,
and may we call upon You to be the head of our lives, the One who gives
us all guidance, that we may thrive in service to Your eternal Kingdom,
even yet while still here upon this Earth.

It is in the precious name of Jesus Christ we pray for these things.
Amen.

[Chris Vine]

On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 19:31:17 +0200
Wouter van Ooijen <wou...@voti.nl> wrote:
[snip various garbage]

Please get over your obsessions and stop feeding this guy. When over
half of the posts to this newsgroup over the last 3 days comprise this
tripe then something has gone wrong. Stop it.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

A Christian Comedian named Michael Jr.:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C7L5FEVgjA

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Listen to the lyrics in this song:

"[Lord] Be My Passion"
by the Barnett Trio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyZmIMsxjEs

It captures the born again nature:

"Be my passion
Burn within me
Be my everything
Lord consume me
Ignite a flame in my soul
That I cannot control
So that others may see
A difference in me
Lord, be my passion."