Cloud cuckoo land?

[woodb...@gmail.com]

Shalom

I was listening to Ben Shapiro's podcast today
and he is talking about the Democratic debate
yesterday. He said that Joe Biden has a tenuous
grasp of reality and that Bernie Sanders has no
grasp of reality "and still lives in cloud cuckoo
land, where Stalin's 5 year plans were actually
excellent."

That reminded me of some of the comments I got
here 10+ years ago about my on-line code generator:
https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards

It writes low-level code based on high-level
input: <https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards/blob/master/src/cmw/tiers/cmwA.mdl>

I'm not sure if any have changed their minds yet,
but on-line code generation is here to stay.


Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - If you think Ben Shapiro is simply
a G-dly, thoughtful, intelligent and articulate young man,
you are wrong. He's also a great musician -- check out
his tribute to Game of Thrones.

<https://duckduckgo.com/?q=game+thrones+ben++shapiro&atb=v72-1__&iar=videos&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=WoSvVDQJGv4>


<https://duckduckgo.com/?q=shapiro+living+dead&iar=videos&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=T4NhkwWtrMA>

Imo, Mr. Shapiro is a modern day Martin Luther King Jr.
He may be even more humble and G-dly than MLK Jr. was.
I can't recommend him enough. He's a G-dsend for all
who care to think about things. That he has received
death threats is so pathetic and twisted. Please pray
for his safety.

[Keith Thompson]

woodb...@gmail.com writes:
> Shalom
>
> I was listening to Ben Shapiro's podcast today
> and he is talking about the Democratic debate
> yesterday.

This is comp.lang.c++. Please don't post about politics here.

--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.T...@gmail.com
[Note updated email address]
Working, but not speaking, for Philips Healthcare
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

[Öö Tiib]

On Wednesday, 15 January 2020 21:21:56 UTC+2, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I'm not sure if any have changed their minds yet,
> but on-line code generation is here to stay.

May be so but your tool generates code for serialization library
that has clearly lost in competition to other such libraries.

Your mixed post only causes feeling that you had nothing good
to say about your library and so you filled it with your
cuckoo land politician stories.

It is so because mixing politics into your advertisements serves
no rational purpose. Most users of serialization libraries worth
targeting are software craftsmen who will try to be masters of
their trade regardless of what political trends are popular. Most
politically active people OTOH are totally uninterested in
serialization libraries.

[Daniel]

On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:21:56 PM UTC-5, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> my on-line code generator:
> https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards
>

Is anyone using this? Nobody is raising issues.

Daniel

[Öö Tiib]

His serialization format is not even documented. Plus he wants to
keep something of it proprietary and closed source and so there
likely will never be actual users.

Everybody are choosing something from list like that:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_data-serialization_formats>
All well-documented, several even standardized, plus several have
open source serialization libraries even for multiple programming
languages.

He could still maybe generate code for any of those serialization
formats or for any of serialization libraries that use those formats.
Online or offline does not matter. Anyone can put offline tool out
as online service as idle time hobby within weeks.

[woodb...@gmail.com]

I'm looking for some external users. I'm willing to
help someone on their project if we use my software
as part of the project. More info here:
http://webEbenezer.net/about.html


Brian

[woodb...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:21:26 PM UTC-6, Öö Tiib wrote:
> On Thursday, 16 January 2020 00:09:59 UTC+2, Daniel wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:21:56 PM UTC-5, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > my on-line code generator:
> > > https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards
> > >
> > Is anyone using this? Nobody is raising issues.
>
> His serialization format is not even documented. Plus he wants to
> keep something of it

The serialization format isn't proprietary. What's private/
proprietary is the program that generates the code. I have
a library and 3 programs that use the library. The library
and two of the programs are in the repository. The third
program, though is closed source. And I encourage other
developers to not neglect developing some closed source.

> proprietary and closed source and so there
> likely will never be actual users.

Unlike a lot of services out there, it's free.
Once we get past the whiners, the sky is the limit.

>
> Everybody are choosing something from list like that:
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_data-serialization_formats>
> All well-documented, several even standardized, plus several have
> open source serialization libraries even for multiple programming
> languages.


>
> He could still maybe generate code for any of those serialization
> formats or for any of serialization libraries that use those formats.
> Online or offline does not matter. Anyone can put offline tool out
> as online service as idle time hobby within weeks.

It's 2020 and C++ compilers are not written as
services. Have compiler vendors lost track of
what they should be doing in part due to an
avalanche of features added to the language?


Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - Enjoying programming again.
http://webEbenezer.net

[Öö Tiib]

On Thursday, 16 January 2020 03:38:29 UTC+2, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:21:26 PM UTC-6, Öö Tiib wrote:
> > On Thursday, 16 January 2020 00:09:59 UTC+2, Daniel wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:21:56 PM UTC-5, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > my on-line code generator:
> > > > https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards
> > > >
> > > Is anyone using this? Nobody is raising issues.
> >
> > His serialization format is not even documented. Plus he wants to
> > keep something of it
>
> The serialization format isn't proprietary. What's private/
> proprietary is the program that generates the code. I have
> a library and 3 programs that use the library. The library
> and two of the programs are in the repository. The third
> program, though is closed source. And I encourage other
> developers to not neglect developing some closed source.

Feel free to develop closed source. Just the rest of it
should be attractive enough to at least try out without that
closed source of with free or trial edition of that closed

source.

> > proprietary and closed source and so there
> > likely will never be actual users.
>
> Unlike a lot of services out there, it's free.
> Once we get past the whiners, the sky is the limit.

I did not whine. I would actually be happy if you would
analyze yourself what is causing these to be more successful:

> > Everybody are choosing something from list like that:
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_data-serialization_formats>
> > All well-documented, several even standardized, plus several have
> > open source serialization libraries even for multiple programming
> > languages.

You may disagree with my comments about documentation,
standardization, availability of APIs, support for multiple
platforms and multiple programming languages, tutorials, forums and
ease to use. I am just someone from Internet. However you need to have
some special strength. Some other unique sales point than that you
believe G-d and like Ben Shapiro. In what sense your product shines
compared to all those others? People of your ethnic origins have
been always famous for their remarkable trading skills.

> > He could still maybe generate code for any of those serialization
> > formats or for any of serialization libraries that use those formats.
> > Online or offline does not matter. Anyone can put offline tool out
> > as online service as idle time hobby within weeks.
>
> It's 2020 and C++ compilers are not written as
> services. Have compiler vendors lost track of
> what they should be doing in part due to an
> avalanche of features added to the language?

How so? In several posts in this group I see links to
godbolt or coliru as free service to compile and run
C++ snippets. Currently all aspects of development
can be done in cloud. I am in few clicks away from
compiling, uploading, running tests on test racks
somewhere in Finland and others in Denmark. All is
done by computing powers somewhere in cloud. I have
never seen either of those test racks. All I see are
results of those tests in my web browser.

[David Brown]

In particular, it is /not/ the compiler vendors that are providing these
services. This is important. People can take the same tools and use
them locally (which is the best solution for most users, especially
smaller groups), or in a company-based build server (good for large
projects, or for automated build, analysis, test, and release systems),
or as a service to others (popular for users who like "the latest and
greatest" but don't want to install or configure anything).

Build servers, distributed builds, continuous integration, etc., have
been popular for a very long time.

And services like ARM mbed's on-line development tools have been
available for years, typically in somewhat specialised areas. (Sites
like godbolt are also specialised - they are targetted to testing
snippets on many compilers, rather than building full programs.)

I get the impression that Brian has been hiding under a bush whispering
"where are the C++ services?" to comp.lang.c++, where no one cares,
rather than looking at the services that exist and figuring out how to
beat them or join them. I hope he succeeds, but I think he'll have to
change his methods somewhat first.

[Daniel]

On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 7:24:18 PM UTC-5, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I'm looking for some external users.

When you work for free, you can do anything that you want. That has its own
rewards.

But if you want users, you have to give users what they want.

Daniel

[Mr Flibble]

On 15/01/2020 19:38, Keith Thompson wrote:
> woodb...@gmail.com writes:
>> Shalom
>>
>> I was listening to Ben Shapiro's podcast today
>> and he is talking about the Democratic debate
>> yesterday.
>
> This is comp.lang.c++. Please don't post about politics here.

The politics is an idiotic attempt to try to a) legitimize his bigotry and b) hide what is spam about his fucking online code generator that nobody either wants, needs or uses.

/Flibble

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"I'd say, bone cancer in children? What's that about?" Fry replied.
"How dare you? How dare you create a world to which there is such misery that is not our fault. It's not right, it's utterly, utterly evil."
"Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a world that is so full of injustice and pain. That's what I would say."

[woodb...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 12:31:12 PM UTC-6, Mr Flibble wrote:
>
> The

Services are the way things have to be now.
Don't swear here, please.


Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises
https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards

[Christian Gollwitzer]

Am 15.01.20 um 23:09 schrieb Daniel:

In addition, most of the commits seem to be rather obscure. The latest
commit messages are:

Tweaks to ambassador (4x)
Tweaks
Tweaks to ambassador (4x)
Changes to lib
Changes to library
Tweaks to library
...

Many of these commits are 1-line or 2-line changes where a variable name
is changed or the like. For a potential collaborator, it is totally
unclear why something was changed, and the large number of 600 commits
seemingly indicating an active project reduces to only a handful useful
commits.


Christian

[Mr Flibble]

On 17/01/2020 02:41, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 12:31:12 PM UTC-6, Mr Flibble wrote:
>>
>> The
>
> Services are the way things have to be now.

Services, yes, your particular service, no.

> Don't swear here, please.

Your bigotry, spammer, is far more egregious than any swear word I can come up with. Now fuck off you homophobic, sexist cockwomble.

[Daniel]

On Friday, January 17, 2020 at 5:24:40 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> Now fuck off you homophobic, sexist cockwomble.
>

"It was the kind of newsgroup where, if you couldn't swear at home, you could
go there and do it."

-- Jim Thompson, "The C++ Inside Me"

[woodb...@gmail.com]

I think you are missing the forest for the trees. This
is the CMW ambassador:

https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards/blob/master/src/cmw/tiers/cmwA.cc

On a scale of 1 to 10 how would you rate it? I'd give it
at least a 7. It's a well-behaved server. It builds fast
and runs efficiently.

Also, the code in the repo is the tip of the iceberg.
The back tier, which is private, isn't in the repo.
There are many changes to the back tier that don't
show up as commits in the repo.


Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises
http://webEbenezer.net

[Christian Gollwitzer]

Am 18.01.20 um 22:09 schrieb woodb...@gmail.com:

> On Friday, January 17, 2020 at 12:52:06 AM UTC-6, Christian Gollwitzer wrote:
>> Am 15.01.20 um 23:09 schrieb Daniel:
>>> On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:21:56 PM UTC-5, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> my on-line code generator:
>>>> https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards
>>>>
>>> Is anyone using this? Nobody is raising issues.
>>
>> In addition, most of the commits seem to be rather obscure. The latest
>> commit messages are:
>>
>> Tweaks to ambassador (4x)
>> Tweaks
>> Tweaks to ambassador (4x)
>> Changes to lib
>> Changes to library
>> Tweaks to library
>> ...
>>
>> Many of these commits are 1-line or 2-line changes where a variable name
>> is changed or the like. For a potential collaborator, it is totally
>> unclear why something was changed, and the large number of 600 commits
>> seemingly indicating an active project reduces to only a handful useful
>> commits.
>>
>
> I think you are missing the forest for the trees. This
> is the CMW ambassador:
>
> https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards/blob/master/src/cmw/tiers/cmwA.cc
>

I think you didn't understand what I was writing:

https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards/commits/master/src/cmw/tiers/cmwA.cc

The commit history doesn't tell me anything. No useful messages.

Christian

[Mr Flibble]

But surely just knowing that all the changes are simply "tweaks" is all you need to know! </sarcasm>

[woodb...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, January 19, 2020 at 12:17:23 PM UTC-6, Mr Flibble wrote:
>
> But surely just knowing that all the changes are simply "tweaks" is all you need to know! </sarcasm>
>

I've had the luxury of privacy in terms of the project.
Not simply that the largest component is closed source,
but not having to deal with some users who are
inconsiderate. Call me crazy, but I'm looking for
friendly, thoughtful, honest, kind, brave users.

If there are suggestions on how to improve the code or
documentation, please let me know.


Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust.
http://webEbenezer.net/about.html

[Mr Flibble]

On 20/01/2020 06:18, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, January 19, 2020 at 12:17:23 PM UTC-6, Mr Flibble wrote:
>>
>> But surely just knowing that all the changes are simply "tweaks" is all you need to know! </sarcasm>
>>
>
>
> I've had the luxury of privacy in terms of the project.
> Not simply that the largest component is closed source,
> but not having to deal with some users who are
> inconsiderate. Call me crazy, but I'm looking for
> friendly, thoughtful, honest, kind, brave users.
>
> If there are suggestions on how to improve the code or
> documentation, please let me know.

Why on Earth do you think I would want to help a bigot who hates all that I stand for? Talk about blinkered.

[bol...@nowhere.org]

On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 17:58:37 +0000
Mr Flibble <flibbleREM...@i42.co.uk> wrote:
>On 20/01/2020 06:18, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, January 19, 2020 at 12:17:23 PM UTC-6, Mr Flibble wrote:
>>>
>>> But surely just knowing that all the changes are simply "tweaks" is all you
>need to know! </sarcasm>
>>>
>>
>>
>> I've had the luxury of privacy in terms of the project.
>> Not simply that the largest component is closed source,
>> but not having to deal with some users who are
>> inconsiderate. Call me crazy, but I'm looking for
>> friendly, thoughtful, honest, kind, brave users.
>>
>> If there are suggestions on how to improve the code or
>> documentation, please let me know.
>
>Why on Earth do you think I would want to help a bigot who hates all that I
>stand for? Talk about blinkered.

What is it you stand for exactly?

[Mr Flibble]

Women's rights and gay rights.

[bol...@nowhere.org]

On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 17:35:45 +0000

Mr Flibble <flibbleREM...@i42.co.uk> wrote:
>On 21/01/2020 16:41, bol...@nowhere.org wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 17:58:37 +0000
>> Mr Flibble <flibbleREM...@i42.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 20/01/2020 06:18, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, January 19, 2020 at 12:17:23 PM UTC-6, Mr Flibble wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> But surely just knowing that all the changes are simply "tweaks" is all
>you
>>> need to know! </sarcasm>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've had the luxury of privacy in terms of the project.
>>>> Not simply that the largest component is closed source,
>>>> but not having to deal with some users who are
>>>> inconsiderate. Call me crazy, but I'm looking for
>>>> friendly, thoughtful, honest, kind, brave users.
>>>>
>>>> If there are suggestions on how to improve the code or
>>>> documentation, please let me know.
>>>
>>> Why on Earth do you think I would want to help a bigot who hates all that I
>>> stand for? Talk about blinkered.
>>
>> What is it you stand for exactly?
>
>Women's rights and gay rights.

Wow, you're a real woke hero. But you forgot tranny and gender fluid (whatever
the fuck that means) rights too. Come on, embrace the vibrant diversity and
get with the program.