Hateful abusive posts by Leigh Johnston, round #2

[Rick C. Hodgin]

If you would like to see Leigh Johnston (aka Mr. Flibble) stop posting
his hateful, obscene content, please send an email to ab...@newsdemon.com.

Here's the information you can report to them on the recent posts
exhibiting that hate and abuse:

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Message and message source posted November 11, 2018:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.c++/8hpU4kVHbuU/FFGBgWRYBgAJ
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/comp.lang.c++/8hpU4kVHbuU/FFGBgWRYBgAJ

Prior posted similar content on November 9, 2018:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.c++/4GRuB8txcaE/L2BwxuKlBQAJ
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Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

Any offence I have caused you by being a bit sweary and listing some of
your negative (but true) personality traits is equal and opposite to the
offence you have caused me. This is the Internet mate; deal with it.

/Flibble

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“I see Atheists are fighting and killing each other again, over who
doesn’t believe in any God the most. Oh, no..wait.. that never happens.” –
Ricky Gervais

"Suppose it's all true, and you walk up to the pearly gates, and are
confronted by God," Bryne asked on his show The Meaning of Life. "What
will Stephen Fry say to him, her, or it?"
"I'd say, bone cancer in children? What's that about?" Fry replied.
"How dare you? How dare you create a world to which there is such misery
that is not our fault. It's not right, it's utterly, utterly evil."
"Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a
world that is so full of injustice and pain. That's what I would say."

[David Brown]

On 11/11/18 22:35, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> If you would like to see Leigh Johnston (aka Mr. Flibble) stop posting
> his hateful, obscene content, please send an email to ab...@newsdemon.com.
>

I haven't seen any obscene posts by Mr. Flibble in recent times. A bit
of "colourful language" is not obscene. Unnecessary, yes, but not obscene.

But I have seen plenty of annoying posts by him, and they are a pain. I
am okay with the occasional off-topic thread discussing fossils,
beliefs, or whatever (I know my opinions are not universal here).
However, it is really tedious to see Mr. Flibble's idiotic fossil posts
whenever you make a technical post in a technical thread.

I think the only thing you can do is ignore him. We all know your
thoughts on fossils, evolution, and whatever else Mr. Flibble throws up
as though it were proof that your beliefs are wrong - and the rest of us
know fine that these are no more valid proofs that you are wrong than
your own posts are proof that you are right. We don't need his
repetitive and pointless posts every time you make an entirely
reasonable, on-topic and technical post. Equally, we don't need a reply
from you to those posts - they add nothing new, and provoke more silliness.

So my advice is to ignore these posts and not respond to them. And
continue with your on-topic and technical posts. (I might disagree with
much of what you write in them, but I fully support your right to make
these posts.)

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 4:45:52 AM UTC-5, David Brown wrote:
> So my advice is to ignore these posts and not respond to them.

My advice is to contact ab...@newsdemon.com and report his hateful
and abusive posts.

No human being deserves to be addressed the way he addresses me
and others ... on the Internet or anywhere else.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[David Brown]

I agree with your second paragraph - but I am not convinced that
reporting his posts is going to help. By all means give it a try, but
be prepared for disappointment. (You could also try abstaining from
making any posts related to your beliefs, regardless of the provocation.)

And be very clear here about your religious posts - no matter what your
motivation, no matter how much you feel you are obliged to make them, no
matter what you think you are doing or what you call the posts - they
are as annoying as anything Mr. Flibble comes up with, and they can be
as insulting, hateful and abusive. It does not matter what you
intended, or how /you/ view them - it matters how other people see them.
I find it hard to imagine a set of rules and regulations that would see
Leigh banned from posting, without also banning you. Personally, I
would not like to see either of you banned - merely that the pair of you
stop squabbling like kids pulling each other's hair at the back of the
class.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 9:17:16 AM UTC-5, David Brown wrote:
> And be very clear here about your religious posts - no matter what your
> motivation, no matter how much you feel you are obliged to make them, no
> matter what you think you are doing or what you call the posts - they
> are as annoying as anything Mr. Flibble comes up with, and they can be
> as insulting, hateful and abusive. It does not matter what you
> intended, or how /you/ view them - it matters how other people see them.
> I find it hard to imagine a set of rules and regulations that would see
> Leigh banned from posting, without also banning you. Personally, I
> would not like to see either of you banned - merely that the pair of you
> stop squabbling like kids pulling each other's hair at the back of the
> class.

I have a command an obligation by God to go forth and teach
people about His Saving Grace, through His Son Jesus Christ.

The people in this world don't recognize value in that teaching
today, here on this Earth, with all the other draws and pulls
given to them by the enemy. They can pick and choose what they
feel is right, and pursue it.

But the day is coming when all falseness will be shown for what
it is, and only truth will endure.

I challenge everyone to go and seek and read for yourself and
see if what I am teaching is true or not. It's not Rick's opinion.
It's Rick conveying what God first gave man. You can verify that
claim by examining the content for yourself.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 9:17:16 AM UTC-5, David Brown wrote:
> ... I am not convinced that
> reporting his posts is going to help...

It won't help when one person posts. But when many do, he'll
lose his account like he did at GigaNews. And just maybe
eventually he'll learn that people can disagree categorically
on every issue that's before them, and still do so with a civil
tongue, showing respect for the other individual as a living,
breathing soul, with their full set of feelings, emotions,
thoughts, drives, passions, etc., and not as some throwaway or
disposable person concept that can be treated as garbage on a
childish whim.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Daniel]

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 9:49:45 AM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> I have a command an obligation by God to go forth and teach
>

Nothing as grand as that. You're just another street preacher, Rick, and your
message is the same as all the other street preachers, loud, yelling, words about burning and sinners and salvation. Even Christians don't like that.

Daniel

[Rick C. Hodgin]

You mistake me for other people, Daniel.

I teach. Point people to scripture. Ask them not to trust me,
but to go and investigate for themselves.

It is the subject matter I teach people take exception to. It
brings them under scrutiny, under condemnation, under judgment,
but it is not me judging them. I'm teaching people that a real
judgment awaits us when we leave this world, and that we need
to be forgiven for our sin.

That teaching is a warning. It is the same as many street
preachers, but different than others. It comes from a place of
caring about your soul, your future, your eternity. It comes
from me wanting a better end for you.

Again, I ask you NOT to take my word for any of this, but to
go and investigate for yourself. See if what I am teaching you
is true. See if what I'm warning you about is real. If you
are willing to seek the truth with sincerity, you will know.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Öö Tiib]

Let's imagine there exists powerful enemy to humans. What does
it want? It does likely want that we bequeath terribly damaged and
contaminated environment to our future generations. What feels like
simple way to achieve that?

Perhaps to feed wasteful lies into current generation. For example
that our world is only few thousand years old illusion that ends soon.
Perhaps to throw stories of recent total ecological catastrophes like
world-wide floods into mix. Illusion that self-repairs fastly. That would
give excuse to the madmen to damage it carelessly and so to turn it
into contaminated wastelands.

Future generations will be in difficulties and desperation. Few serious
military conflicts over the left-over resources would then make that
self-fulfilling prophecy complete.

However I think there are no such enemy but the madness is fully
man-made and so likes of Rick won't receive their deserved "thanks"
from it at "Pearly Gates".

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 10:49:43 AM UTC-5, Daniel wrote:

> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 9:49:45 AM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > I have a command an obligation by God to go forth and teach
>

> Nothing as grand as that...

We have marching orders:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+28%3A18-20&version=KJV

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power
is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them
in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the
Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have
commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto
the end of the world. Amen.

Verse 18 is stating His authority to guide us in this way. And
we see where His authority derives from: from His death, burial,
and resurrection from the dead.

The teaching I give is information about the Kingdom of God,
about His call for us in our lives, about the things we need
to know so we can come to recognize our sin, acknowledge we are
guilty, ask forgiveness, and be saved.

You do not learn these things from the world. And in many
cases, even when you do hear it, you don't place significance
on it because the enemy's prior teaching in your ears is there
with another voice, making it hard to believe.

But if you will investigate it with a truth-seeking heart, God
Himself will reveal that truth to you, and you will then know
the truth, and that truth will literally make you free (from
judgment and death).

It is literally eternal life God offers. It's why He commands
us to go forth and teach. It is His free gift to all who will
repent and ask forgiveness for their sin.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 11:34:45 AM UTC-5, Öö Tiib wrote:
> On Monday, 12 November 2018 17:49:43 UTC+2, Daniel wrote:
> > On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 9:49:45 AM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a command an obligation by God to go forth and teach
> > >
> > Nothing as grand as that. You're just another street preacher, Rick, and your
> > message is the same as all the other street preachers, loud, yelling, words about burning and sinners and salvation. Even Christians don't like that.
>
> Let's imagine there exists powerful enemy to humans. What does
> it want? It does likely want that we bequeath terribly damaged and
> contaminated environment to our future generations. What feels like
> simple way to achieve that?

The Bible teaches us the nature of our enemy. You see, we (mankind)
were made in the image and likeness of God. We are made three-fold
beings (soul, body, spirit), just as He is (Father, Son, Holy Spirit).

Even the angels were not made so. Not even the most powerful angel,
Lucifer, who is called Satan now (Satan means "accuser" because he
accuses us of our sin night and day before God).

That angel was not content to be the most powerful angel. He wanted
to be God, to overthrow His creation, to undo His work, because He
is an enemy of God.

He came here to deceive us into sin, because God had decreed that
the wages of sin is death. So, he tricked us into sinning, and in
that way, forfeiting our eternal life.

What we are now is less than God created us to be because of sin's
judgment already at work upon us. We are spiritually dead, and our
soul is under condemnation for sin.

What Jesus did was come here to die in our place, a type of sub-
stitutional death, where He dies with our sin, leaving us without
sin, and therefore taking us out of judgment and setting us free
from the enemy's attempt at our eternal life.

Jesus saves people from death.

> Perhaps to feed wasteful lies into current generation. For example
> that our world is only few thousand years old illusion that ends soon.
> Perhaps to throw stories of recent total ecological catastrophes like
> world-wide floods into mix. Illusion that self-repairs fastly. That would
> give excuse to the madmen to damage it carelessly and so to turn it
> into contaminated wastelands.
>
> Future generations will be in difficulties and desperation. Few serious
> military conflicts over the left-over resources would then make that
> self-fulfilling prophecy complete.
>
> However I think there are no such enemy but the madness is fully
> man-made and so likes of Rick won't receive their deserved "thanks"
> from it at "Pearly Gates".

There are a lot of hokey stories about the nature of the things
of God. Many are given to mankind by the enemy, and are designed
to mislead us, to deceive us.

Go to the Bible and read directly from the source. If you are
truly seeking to know the truth, God will open your eyes and heart
to it, and you will be changed by it.

It's not a Rick thing teaching you, but it is God using Rick as
part of the mechanism where God Himself is drawing you to this
knowledge. He uses these "encounters" with other Christians to
get you to answer those questions in your mind / heart, the big
deep life questions that He'll use to draw you to His Son.

It's about God teaching you... when you set your sights on the
truth, on knowing the truth, on not being deceived, but in a
real and true honesty wanting to know.

Seek, and you will find, Öö Tiib. Not by me, but by Him. I
can only point you to His knowledge and teaching. He is the
only one who can give you the faculties you need to be able to
believe it.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

And Satan invented fossils, yes?

LUCIFER The Bringer of LIGHT has a personal message just for you Rick:
"Speed of light in a vacuum, mate".

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 12:12:36 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> "Speed of light in a vacuum, mate".

When people use your neoGFX game engine for their games, and
they create scenes with trees and rivers and flying birds and
whatever else they have ... will the user have to wait for all
of those things to form before being used? Is there an evolu-
tionary algorithm in your code which takes nothingness and ass-
embles it into things over millions and billions of years, so
that birds evolve from something less? Rivers cut into the
rocks over millenia? Or will birds in their fully formed 3D
geometry be instantiated? And will rivers be created likewise?

When people use your neoGFX game engine for space games, will
light traveling from distant galaxies be invisible to the user
for the millions of years it would take them to arrive from their
emitter source to the area of your game action? Or will they
be visible in the sky, even though they're representing things
millions of light years away, simply being instantiated in their
form with all necessary details brought to bear to exhibit an
influence upon the target game area?

How much more an infinite God who exists outside of time, and
the details of His universe creation?

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

Why would God make the Universe appear to be billions of years old even
though it isn't? Why would God create the Grand Canyon such that it
appears to have been weathered over millennia even though it hasn't? Does
God do these things to spread FUD? Sounds like a strange thing for a
benevolent god to do.

[Kenny McCormack]

In article <9a34066c-9aa4-4512...@googlegroups.com>,
Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
...

>some throwaway or
>disposable person concept that can be treated as garbage

That's exactly what you are. Fibble is treating you as you deserve to be
treated.

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[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 1:16:24 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 12/11/2018 17:36, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > How much more an infinite God who exists outside of time, and
> > the details of His universe creation?
>
> Why would God make the Universe appear to be billions of years old even
> though it isn't? Why would God create the Grand Canyon such that it
> appears to have been weathered over millennia even though it hasn't? Does
> God do these things to spread FUD? Sounds like a strange thing for a
> benevolent god to do.

It's only scientists who have told us the universe is millions
or billions of years old. It's only scientists who have said the
fossils we find are millions of years old. It's not from other
sources, and there is a source from thousands of years prior, one
with corroborating evidence (such as dinosaurs shown on buildings,
on artwork, depicted in writings and drawings from man's own direct
living history), which says dinosaurs are not millions of years
old, but are part of God's creation.

In addition, regarding space ... we've never been out there in the
starship Enterprise to actually see first hand what's out there.
We've only been told by scientists and physicists what they theor-
ize. We've only been to the moon at the furthest extent personally.
We've had probes go out further, but did you ever seen The Truman
Show? Or the movie The Thirteenth Floor?

Honestly ... how do we know where we live? How do we know we can
trust?

When you examine the character of God and who He is and what He's
done ... the truth reveals itself.

Can I say we don't live in a computer simulation running on God's
computer:

Universe* u = new Universe();
u->run();

No. We don't have a great enough perspective to know such things
definitively. What we can know definitively is the character of
God, and we can then put our faith and trust in Him that He does
not lie, cannot lie, and that His promises to us (such that He
will reveal all things to us on the other side of this proving
ground we live in now) are trustworthy.

You have faith, Leigh. You have faith in what scientists tell
you. In your own beliefs. What you think you know. And there
is another faith which teaches that your faith has no truth, but
is only wispy faith like unsolid air. It has no solidity at all,
but only exists so long as you support and uphold it. However,
when examined with scrutiny and in detail, it crumbles.

There is nothing about the Bible which crumbles with scrutiny
and an examination in detail. Even the really hard things yield
an explanation when you dive in deep enough, press in hard enough,
and seek the truth for real.

I am incapable of convincing you, Leigh. But I can point out the
flaws in your own thinking. You must personally desire to know
and pursue the truth about things ... until YOU make that decision
within yourself, the truth will be forever hidden from you. But
on the day you seek the truth, on that day you will find it.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 1:38:05 PM UTC-5, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> In article <9a34066c-9aa4-4512...@googlegroups.com>,
> Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
> >some throwaway or
> >disposable person concept that can be treated as garbage
>

> That's exactly what you are...

There are no throwaway or disposable people. Everyone of us has
extreme value ... especially to God, and those who have been saved
by Him.

Even you, Kenny.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

On 12/11/2018 19:32, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

[snip tl;dr]

> But I can point out the flaws in your own thinking.

But you haven't though.

Satan invented fossils, yes?

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 2:52:43 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 12/11/2018 19:32, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> [snip tl;dr]
>
> > But I can point out the flaws in your own thinking.
> But you haven't though.

It's in the "[snip tl;dr]" part you ignore ... as is the truth.

You willfully cover your eyes and run full speed off the cliff.
Such a waste of an amazing person.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

On 12/11/2018 19:54, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 2:52:43 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> On 12/11/2018 19:32, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> [snip tl;dr]
>>
>>> But I can point out the flaws in your own thinking.
>> But you haven't though.
>
> It's in the "[snip tl;dr]" part you ignore ... as is the truth.

I decided to read what you wrote and it hasn't changed anything: you have
yet to point out any flaws in my thinking: the flaws are in yours.

> You willfully cover your eyes and run full speed off the cliff.
> Such a waste of an amazing person.

Like all of your assertions this one can too be easily dismissed.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 2:52:43 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> /Flibble

Leigh, this song encapsulates so beautifully God reaching out
to rescue us in our pain, our struggles, in the cases of children
with cancer, and the like.

"Rescue"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U4Q2R7ZZAE

That whole album is an incredible testimony to the teachings of
the Bible applied. It's beautiful music with a beautiful message.

Whole album:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQZNcZcfo8E&list=PL0onz3t0RVfoOpzzylZ3oCTcV_eeD-FdF

God is love, Leigh. The lyrics record God's reply:

"I will send out an army to find you in the middle of
the darkest night. It's true. I will rescue you.
I will never stop marching to reach you in the middle
of the hardest fight. It's true. I will rescue you."

He reaches out with both hands (on the cross, and now out to you
personally). He does so through me, through others, through that
still small voice you hear on the inside.

He's trying with everything there is to reach you. The one and
only barrier preventing Him from saving you ... is you.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 2:57:25 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 12/11/2018 19:54, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 2:52:43 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> >> On 12/11/2018 19:32, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> >> [snip tl;dr]
> >>> But I can point out the flaws in your own thinking.
> >> But you haven't though.
> > It's in the "[snip tl;dr]" part you ignore ... as is the truth.
>

> I decided to read what you wrote...

I'm rejoicing! It's the first step (wanting to know the truth)!

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Jorgen Grahn]

On Mon, 2018-11-12, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
...

> Can I say we don't live in a computer simulation running on God's
> computer:
>
> Universe* u = new Universe();
> u->run();

Avoid new and raw pointers, so you don't leak universa. Better make it:

Universe u;
u.run();

/Jorgen

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\X/ snipabacken.se> O o .

[Kenny McCormack]

In article <d41104a6-f5e0-45c6...@googlegroups.com>,

Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 1:38:05 PM UTC-5, Kenny McCormack wrote:
>> In article <9a34066c-9aa4-4512...@googlegroups.com>,
>> Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ...
>> >some throwaway or
>> >disposable person concept that can be treated as garbage
>>
>> That's exactly what you are...
>
>There are no throwaway or disposable people. Everyone of us has
>extreme value ... especially to God, and those who have been saved
>by Him.
>
>Even you, Kenny.

Me, yes. But not you.

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[Mr Flibble]

I decided to read what you wrote not to know the "truth" but just to
confirm that it was just a load more assertions easily dismissed and I
wasn't disappointed. I already know the truth mate: your god doesn't exist.

[Melzzzzz]

On 2018-11-12, Jorgen Grahn <grahn...@snipabacken.se> wrote:
> On Mon, 2018-11-12, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> ...
>> Can I say we don't live in a computer simulation running on God's
>> computer:
>>
>> Universe* u = new Universe();
>> u->run();
>
> Avoid new and raw pointers, so you don't leak universa. Better make it:
>
> Universe u;
> u.run();

He thinks in Java, used to GC ;)
>
> /Jorgen
>


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[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 3:30:52 PM UTC-5, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
> On Mon, 2018-11-12, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> ...
> > Can I say we don't live in a computer simulation running on God's
> > computer:
> >
> > Universe* u = new Universe();
> > u->run();
>
> Avoid new and raw pointers, so you don't leak universa. Better make it:
>
> Universe u;
> u.run();

:-)

Remember, universe is supposed to be a lifetime object which,
once instantiated, runs always from that point forward. And,
every member function always references "this" ... so it's
all good.

:-)

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Melzzzzz]

On 2018-11-12, Kenny McCormack <gaz...@shell.xmission.com> wrote:
> In article <d41104a6-f5e0-45c6...@googlegroups.com>,
> Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 1:38:05 PM UTC-5, Kenny McCormack wrote:
>>> In article <9a34066c-9aa4-4512...@googlegroups.com>,
>>> Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> ...
>>> >some throwaway or
>>> >disposable person concept that can be treated as garbage
>>>
>>> That's exactly what you are...
>>
>>There are no throwaway or disposable people. Everyone of us has
>>extreme value ... especially to God, and those who have been saved
>>by Him.
>>
>>Even you, Kenny.
>
> Me, yes. But not you.

He never asks what value insects life has to humans. Take that to
another level...

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 3:36:43 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 12/11/2018 20:28, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 2:57:25 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> >> I decided to read what you wrote...
> >
> > I'm rejoicing! It's the first step (wanting to know the truth)!
>
> I decided to read what you wrote not to know the "truth" but just to
> confirm that it was just a load more assertions easily dismissed and I

> wasn't disappointed...

You were seeking. It's very encouraging.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

No I wasn't "seeking" at all; I read it because you claimed it pointed out
a flaw in my thinking: it didn't. Don't worry it will never happen again:
I will resume ignoring most of what you write.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 3:41:35 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 12/11/2018 20:39, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > You were seeking. It's very encouraging.
>
> No I wasn't "seeking" at all; I read it because you claimed it pointed out

> a flaw in my thinking...

You wanted to know if I did find a flaw in your thinking. You
wanted to know the truth, even though you believed I was wrong.

It's most encouraging. You're not solely rigid. You've opened
up to ... possibilities. You've given me hope for your soul, my
future brother(-in-Christ).

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

No I didn't want to know if you found a flaw in my thinking; I wanted to
know what YOU erroneously thought was a flaw in my thinking, there is a
difference. As I said I already know the truth: your god doesn't exist
and that includes your Jesus Fucking Christ.

Jesus: "My mother was a virgin when she gave birth to me."
Bloke: "That's why three random dudes showed up at you birth with gifts. LOL."
Jesus "Fuck you."

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 3:53:55 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> No I didn't want to know if you found a flaw in my thinking; I wanted to
> know what YOU erroneously thought was a flaw in my thinking, there is a

> difference...

My bad. I apologize.

I used to "know" God didn't exist also. Except I wasn't 100%
sure because I, being true and honest with myself, was absolutely
forced to acknowledge that I could not know for sure if I knew
the things I only thought I knew, but didn't yet know for certain,
because I had not yet truly investigated them.

It boils down to something like this:

Rick: Leigh, do you know everything?
Leigh: No.

Rick: Leigh, do you know half of everything?
Leigh: No.

Rick: Okay, let's assume for a moment that you do know
half of everything. Is it possible the knowledge
of God is found in the other half you don't know?

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Real Troll]

On 12/11/2018 20:53, Mr Flibble wrote:
>
>
>
> Jesus: "My mother was a virgin when she gave birth to me."

It's common these days to have virgin birth!! It's called IVF. You
don't need a man to impregnate a woman, thanks to modern science. Jesus
was a con man. there was no science in those days. His mum must have
been a prostitute and so he decided to call himself a product of virgin
birth. In those days women were used to being prostitutes because they
had to survive somehow and man were in short supply because of wars.

[Ian Collins]

On 13/11/18 09:53, Mr Flibble wrote:
>
> No I didn't want to know if you found a flaw in my thinking; I wanted to
> know what YOU erroneously thought was a flaw in my thinking, there is a
> difference.

You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason them
selves into. I suggest you find a new windmill...

--
Ian.

[David Brown]

Rick - I object to Leigh posting this sort of stuff when you are asking
technical questions, but in this case you really asked for it.

Leigh - don't you have more than one record to play here? It's fair
enough that when Rick makes a religious post, rather than a technical
one, that you see it as a target for ridicule. It's not helpful to
anyone, and it merely increases the number of such posts in the group,
but I appreciate that you get that temptation. However, at least try to
vary it a little - make them slightly interesting, entertaining or amusing.

[Mr Flibble]

I believe I have told you this several times before but it seems I have to
tell you one FINAL time; hopefully it will sink in this time:

I am an agnostic atheist however I know YOUR PARTICULAR GOD does not exist.

[Mr Flibble]

Amusing? I tried that with my satirical posts but Rick cried like the wet
blanket he is to GigaNews and the snowflakes at GigaNews listened to him.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 4:30:55 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> I am an agnostic atheist however I know YOUR PARTICULAR GOD does not exist.

I think you are confusing "YOUR PARTICULAR GOD" with the God
of the Bible (Father, Son, Holy Spirit), and concluding that
"YOUR PARTICULAR GOD" doesn't exist, meaning you are ascribing
to me and my beliefs various traits which exist in your past
experience with religion, and are not actually in me or in the
God of the Bible, the one I teach about.

It's why I ask you to read it for yourself. You will be un-
able to find a flaw in scripture ... if you are looking for
the truth (meaning anyone can take half a glance at the Bible
and conclude it has flaws because they don't investigate the
true reasons why it says what it says, but just summarily con-
clude based on their own thinking that it's wrong, but what
I'm talking about is a solid investigative pursuit to force
the Bible to yield up its true reasons why it says what it
does where it does how it does), then you will find it.

I'm not lying to you, Leigh. I don't have ulterior motives.
I'm honestly and truly reaching out to you so you can come
to know the truth. Not by me telling you it's the truth,
but by me encouraging you to investigate it so you will see
for yourself that it's the truth.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

On 12/11/2018 21:37, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 4:30:55 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> I am an agnostic atheist however I know YOUR PARTICULAR GOD does not exist.
>
> I think you are confusing "YOUR PARTICULAR GOD" with the God
> of the Bible (Father, Son, Holy Spirit), and concluding that
> "YOUR PARTICULAR GOD" doesn't exist, meaning you are ascribing
> to me and my beliefs various traits which exist in your past
> experience with religion, and are not actually in me or in the
> God of the Bible, the one I teach about.

By "YOUR PARTIUCLAR GOD" I am referring to the god of the Bible, the god
the Abrahamic religions are based on; the god you believe exists but that
I know doesn't exist. Other gods might exist but your does not: I know
this as FACT just as I know the Universe is older than 10,000 years old as
FACT.

[snip tl;dr]

[Rick C. Hodgin]

They did not listen to me. I reported your posts over twenty
times over about 10 months. They never once listened to me,
and after the first five or six times stopped responding to
me even. They just ignored me.

It was only when I posted for other people to also complain
about your posts that they acted. And not by me, but by them.

In addition, I don't care if you disagree with me in the absolute
strongest possible terms one human being can disagree with another.
The issue I have is when you are mocking Jesus, or being rude and
insulting to me.

All I ask is for you to be civil. To say, "I disagree with all
that you stand for, Rick. Completely." And to mean it from the
heart. What I don't appreciate or respect is your use of such
hateful words to convey your disagreement. It doesn't have to
be like that. We can disagree civilly, and I can still have a
great deal of respect for you (which I do), and you for me, and
it can be that way for each of us to all other people.

We don't have to be hateful to disagree. And I do not hate you.
And I am not a bigot or any of the other traits you ascribed to
me. I am teaching you about the ways of the universe per God's
own guidance by His own hand, written through men by His Holy
Spirit. It's not bigotry or hatred or any negative thing. It
is God guiding His people.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

On 12/11/2018 21:41, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> It's not bigotry or hatred or any negative thing. It
> is God guiding His people.

Jude 1:7 mate. Now fuck off you cunt.

[Scott Lurndal]

"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> writes:
>On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 4:36:11 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:

>
>They did not listen to me. I reported your posts over twenty
>times over about 10 months. They never once listened to me,
>and after the first five or six times stopped responding to

And yet you still cannot take a hint. Please stop posting
your nonsense.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 4:48:59 PM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Please stop posting your nonsense.

I do my best to never post nonsense.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 4:48:41 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 12/11/2018 21:41, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > It's not bigotry or hatred or any negative thing. It
> > is God guiding His people.
>

> Jude 1:7 mate...

You seem to think that this judgment is coming from me. It
is not. I have homosexual friends in real-life. I used to
play guitar at a gay bar on Thursday nights. One of my co-
workers I work with daily, the project lead on one of our
apps, is a gay man.

I am not against gay people, Leigh. I love them. Help them.
Do not shun them from my life.

But apart from that is the secondary layer that doesn't come
from me, that is of God, and is His judgment. He warns of
the judgment to come for such behavior, and He does so to
give people time and space to repent and turn away from their
sin.

If a person wants eternal life, they need to repent of their
sin and believe the gospel and ask Jesus to forgive them.
It is the only way to be set free from the judgment and con-
demnation from sin.

Me teaching you that is not bigotry or hatred or anything
negative. Me teaching you that is love applied, because I
want you to live in eternity, and I want you to thrive in
God's call and love while yet here in this world.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[David Brown]

On 12/11/2018 22:36, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 12/11/2018 21:20, David Brown wrote:

>>
>> Rick - I object to Leigh posting this sort of stuff when you are
>> asking technical questions, but in this case you really asked for it.
>>
>> Leigh - don't you have more than one record to play here?  It's fair
>> enough that when Rick makes a religious post, rather than a technical
>> one, that you see it as a target for ridicule.  It's not helpful to
>> anyone, and it merely increases the number of such posts in the group,
>> but I appreciate that you get that temptation.  However, at least try
>> to vary it a little - make them slightly interesting, entertaining or
>> amusing.
>
> Amusing? I tried that with my satirical posts but Rick cried like the
> wet blanket he is to GigaNews and the snowflakes at GigaNews listened to
> him.
>

Your satirical posts were not amusing either (well, the first one or two
might have been - but jokes rarely remain funny after the first dozen
re-tellings).

If you want to amuse us on this topic, here is the act to follow:

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91DSNL1BEeY>


And for those that prefer to read the script rather than watch the video:

<http://www.epicure.demon.co.uk/devilswelcome.html>

[Mr Flibble]

On 12/11/2018 22:05, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 4:48:41 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> On 12/11/2018 21:41, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> It's not bigotry or hatred or any negative thing. It
>>> is God guiding His people.
>>
>> Jude 1:7 mate...
>
> You seem to think that this judgment is coming from me. It
> is not. I have homosexual friends in real-life. I used to
> play guitar at a gay bar on Thursday nights. One of my co-
> workers I work with daily, the project lead on one of our
> apps, is a gay man.
>
> I am not against gay people, Leigh. I love them. Help them.
> Do not shun them from my life.

You are projecting your bigotry onto your faith but it is still your
bigotry. Your beliefs are homophobic ergo you are homophobic; any
separation between the two that you claim exists is purely artificial.

[snip]

[Mr Flibble]

On 12/11/2018 22:08, David Brown wrote:
> On 12/11/2018 22:36, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> On 12/11/2018 21:20, David Brown wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Rick - I object to Leigh posting this sort of stuff when you are asking
>>> technical questions, but in this case you really asked for it.
>>>
>>> Leigh - don't you have more than one record to play here?  It's fair
>>> enough that when Rick makes a religious post, rather than a technical
>>> one, that you see it as a target for ridicule.  It's not helpful to
>>> anyone, and it merely increases the number of such posts in the group,
>>> but I appreciate that you get that temptation.  However, at least try
>>> to vary it a little - make them slightly interesting, entertaining or
>>> amusing.
>>
>> Amusing? I tried that with my satirical posts but Rick cried like the
>> wet blanket he is to GigaNews and the snowflakes at GigaNews listened to
>> him.
>>
>
> Your satirical posts were not amusing either (well, the first one or two
> might have been - but jokes rarely remain funny after the first dozen
> re-tellings).
>
> If you want to amuse us on this topic, here is the act to follow:
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91DSNL1BEeY>

Some of the late Dave Allen's stuff is brilliant. Obviously one cannot
follow the greats.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 5:09:02 PM UTC-5, David Brown wrote:
> If you want to amuse us on this topic, here is the act to follow:
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91DSNL1BEeY>

Thought you didn't do videos. Ahhhh... I see. Just videos
I post. Got it.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 5:15:41 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 12/11/2018 22:05, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 4:48:41 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> >> On 12/11/2018 21:41, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> >>> It's not bigotry or hatred or any negative thing. It
> >>> is God guiding His people.
> >>
> >> Jude 1:7 mate...
> >
> > You seem to think that this judgment is coming from me. It
> > is not. I have homosexual friends in real-life. I used to
> > play guitar at a gay bar on Thursday nights. One of my co-
> > workers I work with daily, the project lead on one of our
> > apps, is a gay man.
> >
> > I am not against gay people, Leigh. I love them. Help them.
> > Do not shun them from my life.
>
> You are projecting your bigotry onto your faith but it is still your
> bigotry. Your beliefs are homophobic ergo you are homophobic; any
> separation between the two that you claim exists is purely artificial.

You mis-characterize me, Leigh. If you were in the same
city as I am, I would enjoy going out to eat or to help
you work on your car or other things.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigotry

big·​ot·​ry | \ˈbi-gə-trē \
plural bigotries

Definition of bigotry
1 : obstinate or intolerant devotion to one's own
opinions and prejudices : the state of mind of
a bigot overcoming his own bigotry
2 : acts or beliefs characteristic of a bigot
racial bigotry
will not tolerate bigotry in our organization

What I try and do is teach you that it's not Christians,
or me, who judge sin ... but it is God. And what I try
to teach you about His judgment is that it is final, and
eternal.

All sin is rebellion against God. He constructed this
universe to run on truth. Falseness is a cancer, a dis-
ease, that is not tolerated.

This is not just homosexuality, by the way. This is all
sin. Thief. Adulterer. Drunkard. All types of sin,
of every variety there is.

We are all sinners (myself included), which is why I also
need Jesus, to take my sin away from me and set me free
from it.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

QED.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 5:25:20 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> QED.

As you say with your going back to read what I wrote which
proves what you say is wrong, "It's different," indicating
you were not seeking the truth, but something else...

It's different, Leigh. You call it the same, but that does
not make it so.

I care about your eternal soul. Enough to teach you the
truth, and undergo your many assaults toward me.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[David Brown]

I rarely watch videos that /anyone/ posts - there has got to be a good
reason for them. I find it an almost totally useless medium for most
tutorials and the like - they are usually far too slow for my liking,
occasionally to fast, and invariably missing in detail. (Others can
have different opinions and preferences, I can only speak for myself.)

Of course I don't watch the video links you post - you make it clear in
your posts that they are pointless nonsense. (Again, I know you think
differently.)

However, Rowan Atkinson is best watched on video, if you can't see him
live. That's fact, not opinion :-)

And I gave a link to the script for those that prefer not to watch the
video.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 11/12/2018 12:53 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 12/11/2018 20:46, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 3:41:35 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>>> On 12/11/2018 20:39, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>> You were seeking.  It's very encouraging.
>>>
>>> No I wasn't "seeking" at all; I read it because you claimed it
>>> pointed out
>>> a flaw in my thinking...
>>
>> You wanted to know if I did find a flaw in your thinking.  You
>> wanted to know the truth, even though you believed I was wrong.
>>
>> It's most encouraging.  You're not solely rigid.  You've opened
>> up to ... possibilities.  You've given me hope for your soul, my
>> future brother(-in-Christ).
>
> No I didn't want to know if you found a flaw in my thinking; I wanted to
> know what YOU erroneously thought was a flaw in my thinking, there is a
> difference.  As I said I already know the truth: your god doesn't exist
> and that includes your Jesus Fucking Christ.
>
> Jesus: "My mother was a virgin when she gave birth to me."
> Bloke: "That's why three random dudes showed up at you birth with gifts.
> LOL."
> Jesus "Fuck you."

Sometimes, I think it of like:
_______________________
State A: Virgin.

Mutation:(A->B): Abducted by Aliens, and implanted with an divine
experiment, or perhaps the best try of a clone of God (head Alien) itself.

State B: No longer a Virgin.
_______________________

Humm...

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 11/12/2018 12:37 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On 2018-11-12, Kenny McCormack <gaz...@shell.xmission.com> wrote:
>> In article <d41104a6-f5e0-45c6...@googlegroups.com>,
>> Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 1:38:05 PM UTC-5, Kenny McCormack wrote:
>>>> In article <9a34066c-9aa4-4512...@googlegroups.com>,
>>>> Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>> some throwaway or
>>>>> disposable person concept that can be treated as garbage
>>>>
>>>> That's exactly what you are...
>>>
>>> There are no throwaway or disposable people. Everyone of us has
>>> extreme value ... especially to God, and those who have been saved
>>> by Him.
>>>
>>> Even you, Kenny.
>>
>> Me, yes. But not you.
>
> He never asks what value insects life has to humans. Take that to
> another level...

I love the ants that farm:

https://youtu.be/43id_NRajDo

Strange beings:

https://youtu.be/-xW9oy6MFTQ

Why do they seem to resemble alien like beings? ;^)

[Kenny McCormack]

In article <96cea06f-97f0-4059...@googlegroups.com>,

Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 4:48:59 PM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Please stop posting your nonsense.
>
>I do my best to never post nonsense.

With a 100% failure rate.

--
The people who were, are, and always will be, wrong about everything, are still
calling *us* "libtards"...

(John Fugelsang)

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 6:11:17 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> State A: Virgin.
>
> Mutation:(A->B): Abducted by Aliens, and implanted with an divine
> experiment, or perhaps the best try of a clone of God (head Alien) itself.
>
> State B: No longer a Virgin.

It's described in the Bible how it happened. It was the power
of God which created the child within her. The child was also
foretold in the Old Testament, even what He would look like.
It's recorded there is nothing comely about Him, that there is
nothing on the outside that He should be desired, for every-
thing that is beautiful in Christ is in who He is, His actions,
His love, His inner invisible parts. Contrast that with Lucifer,
who is stunningly beautiful beyond words, but who has a heart
blacker than coal.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+1%3A31-37&version=KJV

31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring
forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the
Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne
of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and
of his kingdom there shall be no end.
34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing
I know not a man?
==> 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost
shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall
overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which
shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived
a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her,
who was called barren.
37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.

The power of God showed up and worked God's miracle in the virgin.
It was to fulfill prophecy, and it came to pass at the proper time.

> Humm...

There is truth, and then there is falseness. It would be best to
sort out the two so you don't confuse them, Chris. The Bible will
teach you all you need to know about everything related to it.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 11/12/2018 4:25 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 6:11:17 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> State A: Virgin.
>>
>> Mutation:(A->B): Abducted by Aliens, and implanted with an divine
>> experiment, or perhaps the best try of a clone of God (head Alien) itself.
>>
>> State B: No longer a Virgin.
>
> It's described in the Bible how it happened. It was the power
> of God which created the child within her.

Is the child a clone of God?

[...]

[Rick C. Hodgin]

The Bible says this:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+1%3A1-3&version=KJV

1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in
time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom
he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made
the worlds;
==> 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image
of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his
power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on
the right hand of the Majesty on high:

It helps to understand our nature. We have a soul. Our soul is "us."
It is our core, the exact person we are. From our soul we "outreach"
into the universe, by our body, and by our spirit (for those who are
born again). Our spirit and our body manifest our presence in this
universe, but they are not us solely. They are a component of us,
and merely an outward manifestation of us. Our body will die, for
example, but we are given a new eternal body after leaving this world.

It's why our lives here are not the full level of importance people
place on them when they can't see life after death, and a new body
after we shed this one.

Here sin reigns, and disease, damage, loss, and death are the result.
But there, and as God originally intended things to be, there is no
sin, no disease, no death, no damage, no loss. Only life.

Our soul is under condemnation because of sin. Our bodies are very
clearly in sin (they become diseased, age, die). And our spirit is
dead, meaning we have no spiritual life that is our own, only this
"life spirit" on loan from God for our duration of existence here
on this Earth. Once that spirit is recalled, our bodies here die.

When a person comes to Jesus and asks forgiveness for their sin, a
real transaction takes place. Our sin leaves us, and goes to Jesus.
This has side-effects. Our soul is no longer under condemnation,
and our spirit comes alive.

This new state is an augmented existence, such that the Bible says
the old passes away, and the new has come into being.

This new state is what makes the changed man on the inside. Out-
wardly we look the same. But our actions in this shell will change.
The reasons why we do things will change. We will be moved by new
things, and repulsed by new things. The Bible says the things we
used to love we now hate, and the things we used to hate we now love.
It's due to the complete switch in polarity for our desires, because
we are no longer suffering from death being influenced only by our
fallen-in-sin flesh (which loves death things), but rather we are
then not only influenced by our spirit, but by God's own Holy Spirit
who communes with us.

It is an earnest payment for the full reclamation of our new life
that will be given us after we leave this world. But God keeps us
here even after we're saved so we can go forth and reach others.
We also earn rewards in Heaven for the things we do here in service
to Him.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Daniel]

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 4:19:22 PM UTC-5, Ian Collins wrote:
>
> You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason them
> selves into. I suggest you find a new windmill...
>

Just so. Rick Hodgin's statements are based on revelation, not reasoning or
observation. Hence what he believes is impervious to counterarguments or
evidence.

Daniel

[Daniel]

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 7:25:14 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> It's described in the Bible how it happened. It was the power
> of God

Just a question, yes/no will suffice. Did you know that in ancient mythology there are many stories of miraculous births involving intervention by a deity that predate Christianity?

Thanks,
Daniel

[Rick C. Hodgin]

You say in the previous post that I do not have input of
revelation, reasoning, or observation ... so what difference
does it make to you what I believe? You already have it all
figured out, right?

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Daniel]

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 9:04:01 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 8:50:38 PM UTC-5, Daniel wrote:
> >
> > Just a question, yes/no will suffice. Did you know that in ancient mythology there are many stories of miraculous births involving intervention by a deity that predate Christianity?
>
> You say in the previous post that I do not have input of
> revelation, reasoning, or observation ... so what difference
> does it make to you what I believe?

This isn't a question about belief/non-belief, it's just a question about whether you're knowledgeable about one point in ancient history, which is the product of scholarship (including Christian scholars.)

Thanks,
Daniel

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 9:17:47 PM UTC-5, Daniel wrote:
> This isn't a question about belief/non-belief, it's just a
> question about whether you're knowledgeable about one point
> in ancient history, which is the product of scholarship
> (including Christian scholars.)

Anyone who's read the Bible learns traits about Satan. He is
an imitator, not an originator. He offers up alternatives,
but does not originate anything. He only takes what God has
created ... and perverts it.

Consider:

There were things foretold to man before we recorded things
as part of the Jewish faith from Abraham on down. There is a
book of Enoch, who is a special character in the Bible, one
taken up by God without having tasted death. He was translated
from this world to God's Kingdom, because Enoch walked with
God. If you read the book of Enoch, you read of a type of
wisdom that's been lost in the modern world, yet even the
canon New Testament scripture refers to the book of Enoch.
That wisdom was handed down by tradition for centuries, given
first- and second-hand by Noah and others who were there, or
who were direct descendants of those who were there. Such a
wisdom would've also been known to the enemy of this world,
as he would've been listening to their conversations, hearing
the things they passed down over time.

In any event, there are three times we hear the actual voice
of Satan recorded in scripture: (1) in Genesis when he is
tempting Eve, (2) in Job where he's talking to God, and (3)
in the desert when he's tempting Jesus for 40 days.

In Genesis he basically tells Eve, "God's not being good
enough to you. He's withholding His blessing. Follow my
guidance, and you'll receive the full blessing of God, to
know both good and evil."

In Job he basically tells God, "You're being too good to
them. Allow me to harm them and they'll curse you to your
face."

And in the desert he basically tells Jesus, "If you'll bow
down and worship me, I'll be better to you than God will."

He sets man against God, God against man, and then offers
to step in and be God in God's place. His m.o. is clear.

Satan wants to be God. In the end times he'll physically
inhabit a man's body and set himself up to be god here in
this world. And all who are damned will follow him, because
they are being led by his evil spirit influence upon their
flesh, and not by the spirit of God at work with their
spirit, having been born again after receiving forgiveness
of their sin.

-----
Throughout history, Daniel, the enemy of God, who is also
a spirit, and who has incredible power and authority and
has been temporarily given a lease of reign here on this
Earth, has sought to sully the things God has done, will
do, or has foretold.

If you look no further than the ways of the world, you'll
only see the enemy at work in deception. If you'll look
to the ways of God as are written about in the Bible, you
will learn the truth, and they will shine the light on the
enemy's actions in this world, exposing them for what they
are.

The choice is yours.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 11/12/2018 7:34 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 9:17:47 PM UTC-5, Daniel wrote:
>> This isn't a question about belief/non-belief, it's just a
>> question about whether you're knowledgeable about one point
>> in ancient history, which is the product of scholarship
>> (including Christian scholars.)
>
> Anyone who's read the Bible learns traits about Satan. He is
> an imitator, not an originator. He offers up alternatives,
> but does not originate anything. He only takes what God has
> created ... and perverts it.

It sounds like God warned satan not to muck around with the entities on
Earth. satan, well, he gave the middle finger and created the hybrids,
or giants. The flood took care of them right?

[...]

[Daniel]

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 10:34:32 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 9:17:47 PM UTC-5, Daniel wrote:
> > This isn't a question about belief/non-belief, it's just a
> > question about whether you're knowledgeable about one point
> > in ancient history, which is the product of scholarship
> > (including Christian scholars.)
>

> ... Satan ... etc.

I take it that's a no :-)

I would encourage you to read some scholarly books about religious history.
I understand that you're not that interested in the history of religion, as
opposed to the stories in the Christian tradition. But if you want to talk
about religion, you should have some modest familiarity about its origins.
This has nothing to do with your faith, which has been revealed to you in
some way that most of us don't understand, but shouldn't be affected by
learning more about ancient myths of miraculous births involving
intervention by a deity.

Daniel

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 11:48:41 PM UTC-5, Daniel wrote:
> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 10:34:32 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 9:17:47 PM UTC-5, Daniel wrote:
> > > This isn't a question about belief/non-belief, it's just a
> > > question about whether you're knowledgeable about one point
> > > in ancient history, which is the product of scholarship
> > > (including Christian scholars.)
> >
> > ... Satan ... etc.
>
> I take it that's a no :-)

It's not a no. It's an explanation of why such things exist.

There are always people trying to "get ahead" of Christianity by
worldly knowledge, scientific discovery, identifying matters of
history as conclusive points disproving Christianity, or the many
teachings of the Bible.

Such claims are of the flesh, of our reasoning, of our alrwady corrupt-
in-sin nature, and Satan owns our flesh because of sin, and because
of the death of our spirit due to sin. In short: we are deceived
all day long.

What Jesus does is take away our sin. He restores our spiritual
life, raising us from the dead (spiritually), and giving us a down
payment (the guidance of His Holy Spirit) while here on this Earth,
an "earnest payment" of our future full receipt in full of our
salvation.

Your pursuit of alternate explanations, Daniel, denies the spirit
nature, the receipt of God's Holy Spirit guidance, and is founded
solely in that place of deception where Satans owns all of us: our
flesh-based faculties.

> I would encourage you to read some scholarly books about religious history.
> I understand that you're not that interested in the history of religion, as
> opposed to the stories in the Christian tradition. But if you want to talk
> about religion, you should have some modest familiarity about its origins.
> This has nothing to do with your faith, which has been revealed to you in
> some way that most of us don't understand, but shouldn't be affected by
> learning more about ancient myths of miraculous births involving
> intervention by a deity.

Jesus was born of a virgin because He entered this world from His
own Father (God), and was not of the seed of Adam (i.e. corrupt in
sin), but was born without sin, having His Holy Spirit in tact,
not being spiritually dead, able to be guided directly by God at
all points, and in that way being obedient to God, never yielding
to sin, able to become mankind's passover Lamb, killed in our place,
a substitutionary death of atonement to satisfy God's Law that all
sin is punished, yet without destroying the people whom Jesus saved.

The virgin birth is not just a miracle, it is a necessity, so that
Jesus could accomplish His task of saving us. It is an absolutely
essential part of Judaism and Christianity, one Satan would most
certainly look to sully.

And for all who seek man's knowledge and wisdom, and do not seek
the truth, Satan's efforts have borne fruit. But for all who will
seek the truth, God reaches into their lives spiritually, and saves
them.

Seek the truth, Daniel. Investigate the things of the Bible on
their own merits. Do so with a truth-seeking heart. Literally demand
answers, and press in hard to attain them. You'll be amazed at
what God reveals to you.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Lucifer was the greatest angel, the one with closest access to God,
the most beautiful, the smartest, the most capable. The Bible says
he was complete on the day he was created, meaning he didn't have
to go to school, but was made to be in his full faculties, possessing
the full skills and mastery of all his abilities.

He saw himself as so capable, believing in his heart he was as capable
as God. He launched a rebellion against God. War broke out in Heaven.
Satan and one third of the angels rebelled, but they were not strong
enough, and Satan lost his place in Heaven, as did his angels (now
called demons, or fallen angels).

The Bible records their bodies are locked up in chains, and we learn
through revelation of our spirit nature that angels also have a spirit,
and they now leave their bodies in spirit and come here to our physical
world to corrupt and destroy everything.

Satan is a defeated foe, but he has taken Adam's lease om this planet,
and for a time remains here "in control" of things (God remaind in
ultimate control, but Satan has been given a wide latitude). The day
is coming soon when this current existence will end, and the next
phase of God's plan for Earth is initiated. It is a time of untold
destruction and devastation world-wide as the Earth and its inhabitants
who were not saved have Earthly judgment and wrath poured out on them.
Very few people will survive. Billions will die. The Earth's food
and water supplies will be contaminated. It will be the worst period
in all of history for man. People will even long to die, but death
will not be given them. Imagine decaying, rotting, maimed bodies,
yet still your life spirit is present in it. No release of death is
given. The pain enduring, the thievery, the rape, pillage, plunder.
It will be unimaginable.

All of this is part and parcel of God's judgment. True judgment
comes in Heaven based on what we did here, and there are none who
will escape eternal flames in Hell by their sin. The only way out
is to have no sin, and to be saved by Jesus taking your sin away.

He will also spare everyone who is saved from that coming wrath,
as He saved Noah and his family, and Lot and his.

In any event, these things are taught to people for those who will
be saved. God is already confirming inside of people's hearts His
true calling, such that the things I post will be known to be true
already on the inside, and not through reasoning or thinking it all
through.

It is God Holy Spirit brought to bear upon those who are being saved,
such that His new source of input will override all others, and we
arrive at the foot of the cross almost unaware, to ask forgiveness,
and to receive the same, and to be born into eternity once again,
by God's grace and mercy, on that very day.

This day will come to all who are being saved. It will not come
to other people.

If you hear His call on the inside, rejoice and jump up and down
for joy, because He is reaching out to save you, and give you eternal
life.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Daniel]

On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 5:18:44 AM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> The virgin birth is an absolutely essential part of ... Christianity

Do you really think so? Apart from the first two chapters of Matthew and Luke,
the New Testament makes no further mention of it, nor does St Paul. And the scholars suggests that virgin is most likely a mistranslation of the Hebrew word for young woman. Of course, it became important in later Christian orthodoxy.

Daniel

[Rick C. Hodgin]

The term "virgin" was used for an unmarried person, whereas
today it only refers to someone who has not yet had sex. Back
then, people didn't have sex until marriage, and thus the two
were interchangeable.

The virgin birth is absolutely essential. It was foretold in
the Old Testament, and it is explained in the New Testament by
the angel which appeared to Mary. In addition, the barren old
woman had become pregnant and gave birth to John approximately
six months before Jesus was born was also conveyed as part of
the same miraculous recount.

It's not an unmarried person. Mary was actually engaged to
Joseph at that point, which Jewish tradition considers to be
part of the actual marriage. Joseph was even going to write
her a certificate of divorcement, but God appeared to Him in
a dream to confirm that the holy thing she was carrying was
of God, and not of man.

Your beliefs there are incorrect, Daniel. The Bible is abso-
lutely clear on this point. It requires only study to see it.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Daniel]

On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> Your beliefs there are incorrect, Daniel. The Bible is abso-
> lutely clear on this point. It requires only study to see it.
>

I don't have beliefs/non-beliefs about religious history, but not being a
specialist in the vast literature, or able to read Greek or Aramaic, I tend to
go with scholarly consensus, where it exists. I imagine that since the texts
are very important to you, you've taken the trouble to learn Greek and Aramaic?

Daniel

[Rick C. Hodgin]

The world has a type of wisdom which is against God, Daniel.
You'll find many interesting and amazing things in the world's
teachings. They may fill you with excitement and pique your
interests and carry you through your life ... but they will
give you no aid whatsoever after you leave this world.

Consider eternity. Read the Bible and learn what it teaches
about your sin state (which you can self-confirm), and why it
was Jesus came into this world at all. It was to save your
soul from judgment so you too can have eternal life.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[David Brown]

On 13/11/2018 18:23, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 11:22:36 AM UTC-5, Daniel wrote:
>> On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 5:18:44 AM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>
>>> The virgin birth is an absolutely essential part of ... Christianity
>>
>> Do you really think so? Apart from the first two chapters of Matthew and Luke,
>> the New Testament makes no further mention of it, nor does St Paul. And the scholars suggests that virgin is most likely a mistranslation of the Hebrew word for young woman. Of course, it became important in later Christian orthodoxy.
>
> The term "virgin" was used for an unmarried person, whereas
> today it only refers to someone who has not yet had sex. Back
> then, people didn't have sex until marriage, and thus the two
> were interchangeable.
>

You are joking, surely? I can't remember ever reading such naïve silliness.

People have /always/ had sex - before marriage, after marriage, within
marriage, outside marriage. Men in a lot of cultures try to keep women
from having sex before marriage - this is one of the reasons for girls
being married off long before they are adults. But no culture has ever
managed to stop it happening. Getting married somewhere between getting
pregnant and giving birth has always been common practice - the Jews at
the the beginning of the common era were no different.

In particular, the whole mythical idea of being impregnated by a god is
simply a socially acceptable excuse for getting pregnant without being
married.

And Daniel is correct about the mistranslation. When the OT really
meant virgin, rather than young women, a different word was used.

> The virgin birth is absolutely essential. It was foretold in
> the Old Testament, and it is explained in the New Testament by
> the angel which appeared to Mary.

No, a virgin birth is not remotely essential. It is essential to the
story that "God" is the child's father, not Joseph, but that does not
require virginity. And the prophesies are all fiddled to make them
"true" anyway - by cherry-picking the ones to include in the OT, by
varying the language and translations, and by making up stuff in the NT
stories. This was common practice in the Jewish tradition - it goes
along with making up family linages. It was a technique for convincing
the Jews of the time, and was important for them, but it is not relevant
in the slightest to the teachings of Christianity. If Jesus was the son
of god, then that's who he was - it doesn't matter what some old guy
said hundreds of years earlier, nor does it matter what his mother did.
If you are a Christian, look to /Jesus/ - not the outdated teachings,
stories and histories that he replaced.

> In addition, the barren old
> woman had become pregnant and gave birth to John approximately
> six months before Jesus was born was also conveyed as part of
> the same miraculous recount.
>

This supposedly "barren" women was probably fine - most likely it was
her husband that was infertile. Male dominated societies are fond of
blaming the women when they fail to get pregnant, but it's just as often
the man that has the problem.

> It's not an unmarried person. Mary was actually engaged to
> Joseph at that point, which Jewish tradition considers to be
> part of the actual marriage.

No, engagement was - as it is now - a commitment to marriage. It was a
first step, but it was not marriage. And - just as now - it was common
for couples to "get to know each other" before the actual marriage.

[Daniel]

On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 12:55:56 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 12:39:45 PM UTC-5, Daniel wrote:

>> I imagine that since the texts are very important to you, you've taken
>> the trouble to learn Greek and Aramaic?
>

> wisdom ... against God, etc.

Okay, guess not :-) I would have thought you would have, if the texts were
that important to you. It reinforces my thinking that your primary source of
inspiration is revelation, as it is for many evangelists, so that even
the texts are ultimately not that important to you.

Best regards,
Daniel

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 1:34:30 PM UTC-5, David Brown wrote:
> On 13/11/2018 18:23, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > The term "virgin" was used for an unmarried person, whereas
> > today it only refers to someone who has not yet had sex. Back
> > then, people didn't have sex until marriage, and thus the two
> > were interchangeable.
>

> You are joking, surely? ...

David, the Bible is very clear that sex before marriage is a
sin. The teachings of the Bible guide people toward honoring
God, and not sinning. The term virgin has still meant being
an unmarried person as recently as my early childhood (1970s),
though it also had the other meaning as well.

People will always sin until the day we are set free from the
confines of this world. That doesn't make it right, nor part
of the teachings of the Bible toward right behavior. It does
make it part of the recording of the Bible, as the Bible records
not only what's right, but also what man did at various points,
including all manner of sin.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

You're fighting a losing battle, Daniel. You are holding on
to things you think affirm and bolster your position, but they
are quicksand, slowly burying you up to your neck. If you are
not rescued out of it, you will die one day (eternal death,
not just physical death).

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 1:34:30 PM UTC-5, David Brown wrote:

> On 13/11/2018 18:23, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > The virgin birth is absolutely essential. It was foretold in
> > the Old Testament, and it is explained in the New Testament by
> > the angel which appeared to Mary.
>
> No, a virgin birth is not remotely essential.

It was prophesied, David. And the meaning of that prophecy
was later given its fullness:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+7%3A14&version=KJV

14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign;
Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and
shall call his name Immanuel.

The explicit prophecy of her being a virgin (having not had
sex) was prophesied before she conceived by the angel
Gabriel:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+1%3A26-37&version=KJV

26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from
God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of
the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that
art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art
thou among women.
29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and
cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast
found favour with God.

31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring
forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the
Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne
of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and
of his kingdom there shall be no end.

==> 34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing

I know not a man?
==> 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost
shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall
overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which
shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived
a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her,
who was called barren.
37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.

The Bible even punctuates the point:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+1%3A24-25&version=KJV

24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of
the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
==> 25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn
son: and he called his name Jesus.

It was prophesied to be a particular way. It was absolutely and
completely essential that it came to pass as God foretold through
His prophets, and through the angel Gabriel announcing the coming
of Jesus through Mary, a blessed young woman. And it is reinforced
by the declaration that Joseph did not "know" his wife (have sex
with her) until after she delivered Jesus.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Daniel]

On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 1:55:08 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> You're fighting a losing battle, Daniel.

Was I fighting a battle? I wasn't aware of it :-)

But we can both follow Pope Francis' advice:

“Just do good and we’ll find a meeting point,” the pope said in a hypothetical conversation in which someone told a priest: “But I don’t believe. I’m an atheist.”

Best wishes,
Daniel

[David Brown]

On 13/11/2018 19:53, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 1:34:30 PM UTC-5, David Brown wrote:
>> On 13/11/2018 18:23, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> The term "virgin" was used for an unmarried person, whereas
>>> today it only refers to someone who has not yet had sex. Back
>>> then, people didn't have sex until marriage, and thus the two
>>> were interchangeable.
>>
>> You are joking, surely? ...
>
> David, the Bible is very clear that sex before marriage is a
> sin.

What has that got to do with anything? Are you suggesting that the Jews
of that time did not sin? Or that they didn't have sex before marriage
because it is a sin? That is just absurd.

(And the Bible is very far from clear that sex before marriage is a sin.
It says that sexual immorality is a sin, with no clear definition of
what counts as sexual immorality. And it says adultery is a sin. But
it says nothing specific about sex before marriage being a sin. The
nearest you could say about it is that Paul thought people should
abstain from sex, and that if they can't contain themselves, they should
get married. That is not "clear" in any possible way. And of course,
this stuff is almost all in the NT, and therefore not applicable to Jews
of the time.)

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 11/13/2018 2:44 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 10:47:33 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 11/12/2018 7:34 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 9:17:47 PM UTC-5, Daniel wrote:
>>>> This isn't a question about belief/non-belief, it's just a
>>>> question about whether you're knowledgeable about one point
>>>> in ancient history, which is the product of scholarship
>>>> (including Christian scholars.)
>>>
>>> Anyone who's read the Bible learns traits about Satan. He is
>>> an imitator, not an originator. He offers up alternatives,
>>> but does not originate anything. He only takes what God has
>>> created ... and perverts it.
>>
>> It sounds like God warned satan not to muck around with the entities on
>> Earth. satan, well, he gave the middle finger and created the hybrids,
>> or giants. The flood took care of them right?
>
> Lucifer was the greatest angel, the one with closest access to God,
> the most beautiful, the smartest, the most capable. The Bible says
> he was complete on the day he was created, meaning he didn't have
> to go to school, but was made to be in his full faculties, possessing
> the full skills and mastery of all his abilities.

[...]

Have you ever read about the Giants, or Hybrids in the Bible? Afaict,
wrt the warnings to satan, they are an abomination of Gods creation.

Wrt the Hybrids, it sounds like the hardcore scientist satan really
wanted to experiment around with the physical nature of God's creations.

[David Brown]

On 13/11/2018 20:11, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 1:34:30 PM UTC-5, David Brown wrote:
>> On 13/11/2018 18:23, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> The virgin birth is absolutely essential. It was foretold in
>>> the Old Testament, and it is explained in the New Testament by
>>> the angel which appeared to Mary.
>>
>> No, a virgin birth is not remotely essential.
>
> It was prophesied, David.

And as I said, that is irrelevant for two main reasons. First, the
"prophecies" involved are picked to fit the later descriptions of
events, and the descriptions were written to fit the prophecies picked.
Secondly, the prophesy stuff was relevant to convincing the Jews who
believed in that sort of junk - it is of no significance to the reality,
or otherwise, of Jesus as the son of god. Either he was the son of god
(and if you belief that, that's fine), or he was not. What someone said
hundreds of years ago did not influence that fact or non-fact.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 3:56:51 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> Have you ever read about the Giants, or Hybrids in the Bible?

The Nephilim.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Do not take guidance from a man (including myself). If you
hear any person teach / tell you anything that is allegedly
from God, or given from the point of view of someone teaching
about God, make sure you go to the Bible and validate that
statement / teaching / idea / quote for yourself.

You are accountable to God alone, Daniel. We are each like-
wise accountable to God alone.

Love God.
Love people.
Serve God by serving His people (the whole creation of man).
Serve His people by teaching them about their sin, about judgment,
about salvation, and in their bodily needs.

It's very simple.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Truth is fundamental, David. It doesn't have multiple faces.
In order for truth to exist, all of it must always exist fully.
And that's what you find in the Bible, in God, in the teaching
of the Holy Spirit which align with scripture.

You put man's wisdom, man's conclusion upon the things of God.
You are wrong to do so, and it's actually a sin to do so. God
is who God is, and He is not to be likened to sinful man's
lies and cheats.

You are again heaping damnation upon your own head by your
statements.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

And Satan invented fossils, yes? Speed of light in a vacuum, mate.

/Flibble

--
“You won’t burn in hell. But be nice anyway.” – Ricky Gervais

“I see Atheists are fighting and killing each other again, over who
doesn’t believe in any God the most. Oh, no..wait.. that never happens.” –
Ricky Gervais

"Suppose it's all true, and you walk up to the pearly gates, and are
confronted by God," Bryne asked on his show The Meaning of Life. "What
will Stephen Fry say to him, her, or it?"
"I'd say, bone cancer in children? What's that about?" Fry replied.
"How dare you? How dare you create a world to which there is such misery
that is not our fault. It's not right, it's utterly, utterly evil."
"Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a
world that is so full of injustice and pain. That's what I would say."

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 11/13/2018 1:04 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 3:56:51 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> Have you ever read about the Giants, or Hybrids in the Bible?
>
> The Nephilim.
>

Indeed. I have a sneaking suspicion that the Nephilim happen to be hyper
smart rebellious alien scientists. God told them not to mess around with
the natural process on Earth. The Nephilim said, "FU%^&&^%%% YOU", and
experimented away at full steam ahead... God basically had to destroy
their abominations of desolation, their hybrid strange creations, with
the: Flood...^^...^^^^...^^

Ascii art for little waves. ;^)

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 5:35:20 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 11/13/2018 1:04 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 3:56:51 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >> Have you ever read about the Giants, or Hybrids in the Bible?
> >
> > The Nephilim.
> >
>
> Indeed. I have a sneaking suspicion that the Nephilim happen to be hyper

> smart rebellious alien scientists...

If you'd like me to continue to communicate with you, find a way
to express yourself without using profanity, or suggestive masked
profanity.

If you'd like to know the truth about your beliefs, to have them
confirmed or denied, read and study the Bible. You'll learn all
about them God has revealed to us. The rest is pure speculation,
and Satan will be happy to lead you down any path you're willing
to believe in there ... and that's something you don't want, even
though you might think you do.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

Yeah the Nephilim are what we today call "The Grays" (big heads/black
eyes) and they continue to abduct and experiment on people. People think
they are demons when in fact they are inter-dimensional beings (the word
"demon" comes from the word "dimension").

[Mr Flibble]

On 14/11/2018 22:35, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

Jesus was also an alien (a "Nordic Alien" to be precise, see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_aliens). All his miracles were
simply uses of advanced alien technology. Jesus walking on water was a
nice effect he achieved by simply using anti-gravity shoes.

[Pavel]

Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 11/12/2018 12:37 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> On 2018-11-12, Kenny McCormack <gaz...@shell.xmission.com> wrote:
>>> In article <d41104a6-f5e0-45c6...@googlegroups.com>,
>>> Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 1:38:05 PM UTC-5, Kenny McCormack wrote:
>>>>> In article <9a34066c-9aa4-4512...@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> some throwaway or
>>>>>> disposable person concept that can be treated as garbage
>>>>>
>>>>> That's exactly what you are...
>>>>
>>>> There are no throwaway or disposable people.  Everyone of us has
>>>> extreme value ... especially to God, and those who have been saved
>>>> by Him.
>>>>
>>>> Even you, Kenny.
>>>
>>> Me, yes.  But not you.
>>
>> He never asks what value insects life has to humans. Take that to
>> another level...
>
> I love the ants that farm:
>
> https://youtu.be/43id_NRajDo
>
> Strange beings:
>
> https://youtu.be/-xW9oy6MFTQ
>
> Why do they seem to resemble alien like beings? ;^)
If you like these alien-like things, you may enjoy this story about even more
alien-like fungi that enslave and kill ants (warning: not for the faint of
heart). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuKjBIBBAL8 ... sorry for the
offshoot-off-topic.

[jacobnavia]

Le 13/11/2018 à 01:28, Chris M. Thomasson a écrit :
> On 11/12/2018 4:25 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 6:11:17 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson
>> wrote:
>>> State A: Virgin.
>>>
>>> Mutation:(A->B): Abducted by Aliens, and implanted with an divine
>>> experiment, or perhaps the best try of a clone of God (head Alien)
>>> itself.
>>>
>>> State B: No longer a Virgin.
>>
>> It's described in the Bible how it happened.  It was the power
>> of God which created the child within her.
>

Wait...

1: this god creates the universe, earth, sun, animals whatever.
2: he gets amnesic and wants to have a child but has forgotten how.
3: then, he needs to go to a woman to make a child...
4: but WAIT WAIT! SEX is bad, so he can't make love and has problems
with an erection since he is god
5: what a predicament! what can he do?
6: Hey gabriel would you do me a favor?
7: gabriel: ok, if you want...
8: Look joseph, just one time only, do not be jealous like that, just
let me do it one time and it will be over.
9: Maria: MMmmmmmmmmm....
10: Rick telling us porn stories here with that virgin birth

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 5:03:31 AM UTC-5, jacobnavia wrote:
> Wait...
>
> 1: this god creates the universe, earth, sun, animals whatever.
> 2: he gets amnesic and wants to have a child but has forgotten how.
> 3: then, he needs to go to a woman to make a child...

Sin was here (on Earth, by man).

God had to become one of us (a man) ... here ... where we are, to
save us from sin where sin was, where we were condemned.

He could've just deleted everything and reset the universe:

Unviverse* u = new Universe(rand());
while (u->run(_1000_years) == _ERRORS)
{
delete u;
u = new Universe(rand());
}
cout << "Ahhh...";

But He didn't. He became part of His creation because He loves you,
and wants you to be with Him where He is outside of linear time.

The Bible is a tremendous love story, where the creator becomes part
of His creation to rescue us from our own voluntary folly (from sin).

It's to be revered, not mocked. What He's done is beautiful beyond
words. His love is on display. And He and His love is what you're
mocking when you mock me / these messages (at least so long as I am
accurately conveying the Biblical teachings).

Investigate these claims, Jacob. See if I am telling you the truth.
Prove me out. Prove the teaching out. Do not just listen to me espouse.
Seek to know with certainty for yourself.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

On 15/11/2018 11:07, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 5:03:31 AM UTC-5, jacobnavia wrote:
>> Wait...
>>
>> 1: this god creates the universe, earth, sun, animals whatever.
>> 2: he gets amnesic and wants to have a child but has forgotten how.
>> 3: then, he needs to go to a woman to make a child...
>
> Sin was here (on Earth, by man).

Sin is just the name given to a type of buttered scone popular in the
1960s; man-made of course.

>
> God had to become one of us (a man) ... here ... where we are, to
> save us from sin where sin was, where we were condemned.

As I said in other post God/Jesus is a Nordic Alien using alien technology
to perform so called "miracles" for personal amusement.

>
> He could've just deleted everything and reset the universe:
>
> Unviverse* u = new Universe(rand());
> while (u->run(_1000_years) == _ERRORS)
> {
> delete u;
> u = new Universe(rand());
> }
> cout << "Ahhh...";

The Nordic Aliens didn't have C++ in the 18th century so that is of course
nonsense.

>
> But He didn't. He became part of His creation because He loves you,
> and wants you to be with Him where He is outside of linear time.

Yes the Nordic Aliens love humans, but as pets.

>
> The Bible is a tremendous love story, where the creator becomes part
> of His creation to rescue us from our own voluntary folly (from sin).

The Bible is a disinformation document created the Nordic Aliens to retard
human technological development ensuring we don't evolve past the "pet"
status.

>
> It's to be revered, not mocked. What He's done is beautiful beyond
> words. His love is on display. And He and His love is what you're
> mocking when you mock me / these messages (at least so long as I am
> accurately conveying the Biblical teachings).

Yes the Nordic Aliens are very fuckable and they like to fuck their pets
too so it is a win-win situation.

>
> Investigate these claims, Jacob. See if I am telling you the truth.
> Prove me out. Prove the teaching out. Do not just listen to me espouse.
> Seek to know with certainty for yourself.

Yes the evidence is out there.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 2:27:15 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> [snip]

The ability to know Jesus as Savior and Lord is a gift given those
who will be saved, Leigh. It comes from within, not from without.
God draws a person to His Son to be saved. It doesn't come from
man's convincing arguments or statements.

You alone will know if God is calling you, and that call will be
know to you on the inside. You alone will be drawn by Him to His
Son when He calls you, because the spirit nature will override
your flesh nature. You won't even believe what's happening to
you, and after it happens you'll be absolutely amazed at what did
just happen to you. It will boggle your mind, as your spirit
nature asserts itself in your life. You'll stand mouth agape,
stunned in every way that the very thing you mocked for decades
now has made Himself known to you, and you've been forever changed
by it.

Until that day, you'll be only as you have been, and all of these
things I try and teach you seem as foolishness to you, and you'll
only be able to mock those teachings, and place emphasis on Satan's
alternate explanations for things, or even invent some of your own,
all the while concluding that I and the other people who believe in
Jesus, are categorical lunatics of grand stature, deserving your
pity at best, your wrath at worst, as "bigots" and "haters."

Jesus is the great divider:

(1) Sinners, saved by His Grace, going to Heaven.
(2) Sinners, unsaved, going to Hell.

Someday everyone will come into this knowledge. For some ...
it will be too late. I would save you from that today, Leigh,
but it's not up to me. It's up to you and your willingness to
hear that call and answer it.

It's between you and God alone. No one else.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

On 15/11/2018 19:39, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 2:27:15 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> [snip]
>
> The ability to know Jesus as Savior and Lord is a gift given those
> who will be saved, Leigh. It comes from within, not from without.
> God draws a person to His Son to be saved. It doesn't come from
> man's convincing arguments or statements.

The Nordic Alien who likes to go by the monikers "God" and "Jesus" does
like to push that line from the Nordic's disinformation document known as
the "Bible" because they don't want to see their pets (us) get too uppity.
The contents of that document are a great way to retard mental/sexual
development and, as a consequence, technological developments. The
Nordics like as as pets.

>
> You alone will know if God is calling you, and that call will be
> know to you on the inside. You alone will be drawn by Him to His
> Son when He calls you, because the spirit nature will override
> your flesh nature. You won't even believe what's happening to
> you, and after it happens you'll be absolutely amazed at what did
> just happen to you. It will boggle your mind, as your spirit
> nature asserts itself in your life. You'll stand mouth agape,
> stunned in every way that the very thing you mocked for decades
> now has made Himself known to you, and you've been forever changed
> by it.

The Nordic Alien known as "God" is quite a busy alien so I doubt I am in
his contact list. Maybe I should lose weight to become more fuckable so
he takes an interest.

>
> Until that day, you'll be only as you have been, and all of these
> things I try and teach you seem as foolishness to you, and you'll
> only be able to mock those teachings, and place emphasis on Satan's
> alternate explanations for things, or even invent some of your own,
> all the while concluding that I and the other people who believe in
> Jesus, are categorical lunatics of grand stature, deserving your
> pity at best, your wrath at worst, as "bigots" and "haters."

The Nordic Alien known as "Satan" is the Nordic Alien "Jesus"'s best mate;
they like to go on fuck parties together fucking their pets (us).

>
> Jesus is the great divider:
>
> (1) Sinners, saved by His Grace, going to Heaven.
> (2) Sinners, unsaved, going to Hell.

Yes Jesus likes to classify people by how fuckable they are. If you want
to be fucked by Jesus you probably need to lose some weight fat boy.

>
> Someday everyone will come into this knowledge. For some ...
> it will be too late. I would save you from that today, Leigh,
> but it's not up to me. It's up to you and your willingness to
> hear that call and answer it.

Hear the call from Jesus? As I said I don't think I am on that particular
Nordic Alien's contact list as I am currently a bit rotund and portly.

>
> It's between you and God alone. No one else.

Nah, Nordic Alien "God" likes orgies too: some of his fuck parties are
legendary.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 11/15/2018 3:07 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 5:03:31 AM UTC-5, jacobnavia wrote:
>> Wait...
>>
>> 1: this god creates the universe, earth, sun, animals whatever.
>> 2: he gets amnesic and wants to have a child but has forgotten how.
>> 3: then, he needs to go to a woman to make a child...
>
> Sin was here (on Earth, by man).
>
> God had to become one of us (a man) ... here ... where we are, to
> save us from sin where sin was, where we were condemned.

I am wondering how many planets God has visited wrt cloning itself into
the sentient intelligent inhabitants that He created anyway. God has
experienced being a Human on Earth within the physical realm. Did God do
the same thing for other planets in the creation?

[...]

[Rick C. Hodgin]

It's never been explained in scripture. What God has revealed
is there are three Heavens. The first is the air. The second
is what we see in space (the stars, galaxies, and beyond). The
third is not seen, but is the dominion of God, a paradise.

Paul describes going there and that he heard things illegal for
a man to talk about.

What we have here in this physical world is the merest inkling
fraction of what God's creation is. And He (God) offers each
of us the ability to partake in that universe beyond what we
know today, a place existing outside of time, as we see multiple
references in scripture to people being taken out of time, or
angels appearing and describing things out of time, etc.

Jesus is the doorway. He takes away our sin, restoring us to
that eternal Kingdom, giving us eternal life, making it possible
for us to partake of God's true domain in the third Heaven.

(1) Sinners forgiven by Jesus, go on to Heaven.
(2) Sinners unforgiven, enter into Hell.

There is a solid chasm created by God, designed to separate all
that is of His Kingdom of truth, and all that is embracing and
holding on to falseness. That chasm is the division between
Heaven and Hell. No one in Heaven will ever enter into Hell,
and no one in Hell will ever escape and enter into Heaven.

It is a literal eternal prison, holding only those who refuse
to accept truth, who hold onto falseness ahead of truth, who
would only believe the lies of the enemy and not approach the
truth of God to receive Him, salvation for their soul, the
release of sin's condemnation upon their life, etc.

Each person sends themselves to Hell. God has done everything
to make it possible for everyone to have eternal life. He's
made Jesus' sacrifice available to all ... and it's free for
the asking.

A person has to work very very hard to enter into Hell given
all the saving provisions God has put before them in their life.
And each person will self-condemn their own soul in God's final
court on Judgment Day, when the books are opened which recorded
the events of our lives.

For the sinner saved by grace, everything's been blotted out
that could condemn us. The entries were put on Jesus' list,
and He paid the price of our sin in our place. For the sinner
not saved, every sin they've committed remains in full force,
in written form, recorded accurately, from their entire life.
The secret things. The hidden things. The things you thought
nobody knew about ... it's all there, and it will be read aloud
in court before all as part of the permanent record as to why
your soul is cast into the eternal lake of fire from which there
is no escape, no parole, no anything except pain and angst and
eternal torment.

The choice is each of ours today. God has made salvation avail-
able to all today for free. Simply ask Jesus to forgive your
sin, and take up your own personal metaphoric cross and follow
Him in this world.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

On 16/11/2018 13:37, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 11:57:28 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 11/15/2018 3:07 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> Sin was here (on Earth, by man).
>>>
>>> God had to become one of us (a man) ... here ... where we are, to
>>> save us from sin where sin was, where we were condemned.
>>
>> I am wondering how many planets God has visited wrt cloning itself into
>> the sentient intelligent inhabitants that He created anyway. God has
>> experienced being a Human on Earth within the physical realm. Did God do
>> the same thing for other planets in the creation?
>
> It's never been explained in scripture. What God has revealed
> is there are three Heavens. The first is the air. The second
> is what we see in space (the stars, galaxies, and beyond). The
> third is not seen, but is the dominion of God, a paradise.

The problem is, Rick, that this scripture you mention is, as I have stated
already, only half the story: The Bible is a disinformation campaign
designed by the Nordic Aliens to retard our mental and technological
development as the Nordics like to keep us as pets and nobody wants an
independently minded pet that refuses sexual favours.

You can see for yourself that what I say is true by referring to the 100th
Cycle (Issue 14) Buttered Scone (Sin) Manifest (Virgo Cluster Edition).

[snip tl;dr]

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 9:24:12 AM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 16/11/2018 13:37, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > It's never been explained in scripture. What God has revealed
> > is there are three Heavens. The first is the air. The second
> > is what we see in space (the stars, galaxies, and beyond). The
> > third is not seen, but is the dominion of God, a paradise.
>
> The problem is, Rick, that this scripture you mention is, as I have stated

> already, only half the story: The Bible is a disinformation campaign...

It isn't. You're being deceived into believing that by the
enemy's of God who desire to keep you away from that future
God's offering you through His own sacrifice in your place,
to set you free from the judgment of sin.

I can only offer you the truth, Leigh. I cannot make you
believe it, nor is it my job to do so. I tell you the way
things are ... I'm not responsible for your response to it.

--
Rick C. Hodgin