Hardware advice

[woodb...@gmail.com]

Shalom

As you may know I'm looking for some external users.
Despite the lack of users, I'm thinking about buying
parts and building a new server.

I'll probably go with AMD Ryzen, but am trying to
decide between AM4 or a threadripper TRX40. I've been
leaning toward a TRX40, but recently thought maybe
that's overdoing it since I'm still looking for some
external users. I could still get a 16 core chip
with the AM4 socket.

Any suggestions on motherboards or power converters
(aka psu)? I'm thinking about using Samsung NVMe
SSDs for storage. They can be up to 2TB and I could
have at least 3 of them.

I've found pcpartpicker.com to be helpful in terms
of estimating the power needed and informing me that
something is missing.

Is there another forum that focuses on this sort
of thing? Thank you in advance.


Brian
Ebenezer Enterprise - Enjoying programming again.
https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards

[woodb...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, March 4, 2020 at 11:55:29 AM UTC-6, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
> Shalom
>
> As you may know I'm looking for some external users.
> Despite the lack of users, I'm thinking about buying
> parts and building a new server.
>
> I'll probably go with AMD Ryzen, but am trying to
> decide between AM4 or a threadripper TRX40. I've been
> leaning toward a TRX40, but recently thought maybe
> that's overdoing it since I'm still looking for some
> external users. I could still get a 16 core chip
> with the AM4 socket.

I'll at least be running FreeBSD on the server,
but possibly Linux also due to it's better support
for Wireguard at this time.

The attraction of the TRX40 is to be able to serve all
of my hopefully soon-to-be users with one machine.
Between using C++ for my code generator from the
beginning, finding ways to improve it over the
years and the release of these Threadripper chips,
I hope be able to use just one box and one backup
box to handle everything.

[Real Troll]

On 04/03/2020 17:55, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
> Shalom
>
> As you may know I'm looking for some external users.
> Despite the lack of users, I'm thinking about buying
> parts and building a new server.
>
>

People don't normally have their own servers these days when there are
cheap alternatives that are resilient and on 24/7 availability. Try
using Microsoft Azure or google Cloud and you'll be amazed that they are
so affordable that why did nobody thought of that before!! After the
trial period you will almost pennies per month depending on traffic
generated by your work.

Their static websites have always been free for a very long time; They
only charge if you have to use their computing power for dynamic content
or databases.

[Christian Gollwitzer]

Am 04.03.20 um 18:55 schrieb woodb...@gmail.com:

> I'm thinking about buying
> parts and building a new server.
>
> I'll probably go with AMD Ryzen, but am trying to

> decide between AM4 or a threadripper TRX40....

OFF TOPIC. This has nothing to do with C++. Go to a hardware forum.

Christian

[Real Troll]

Are you the new moderator here or are you simply looking for a fight?

[David Brown]

There is no moderator here, but Woodbrian's thinly veiled spam annoys a
lot of people. He is trying to advertise for customers - in a
desperate, annoying, and clearly futile manner. He posts some daft
stuff - but /no one/ plans to buy a big fast server to handle customers
when they don't have any, /no one/ who needs a server for their IT
business should need a Usenet group to tell them about cloud services
(the guy is obsessed with the idea of "middleware as a service" - cloud
servers can't be a new thought for him). And /no one/ posts in a C++
newsgroup when they actually want advice on server hardware.

He is merely spamming here. (Surely you should be able to recognize a
fellow Troll?) Now, I wish him all the best in his business and success
in his project - just as a do for anyone else. But he has been at this
for years - desperately offering money and free work hours for anyone
who might use his product. When you can't pay people to take it, and
have tried for many years, there is something badly wrong with your
product or your business model.

This group is a fine place to discuss the C++ involved in his project -
but not a place to advertise for customers.

[Jorgen Grahn]

Anyone here can point out that a posting is offtopic, as you well
know.

/Jorgen

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[Real Troll]

On 05/03/2020 08:22, David Brown wrote:
>
> He is trying to advertise for customers
>

Don't be silly. If he is a real businessman then he should know that he
is not likely to get any customers here. It is very rare you get
customers on a newsgroup where the majority of people are simply passing
time and trying to learn something new. Getting customers here is the
last thing a real businessman would think of.

He might try to get something done for free; For example there is a
chap called "ToadandMargo" ( aka T )who goes to Windows 10 newsgroup and
asks some technical questions when his customers ask him. He is quite
open about this not even ashamed about it. People know about him and
still decide to offer him solutions. He sometimes goes to C newsgroup
and does the same thing thing. Search for the name T and you'll know him.

[David Brown]

On 05/03/2020 10:10, Real Troll wrote:
> On 05/03/2020 08:22, David Brown wrote:
>>
>> He is trying to advertise for customers
>>
>
> Don't be silly. If he is a real businessman then he should know that he
> is not likely to get any customers here. It is very rare you get
> customers on a newsgroup where the majority of people are simply passing
> time and trying to learn something new. Getting customers here is the
> last thing a real businessman would think of.

Of course - assuming that by "real businessman" you mean a businessman
who knows what he is doing and is running a business reasonably well.
But look at Woodbrian's posting history. What about him gives you the
impression that he is running a successful business here? (I have no
idea what else he does - for all I know, he has a successful grocery
shop business that pays the bills. And I make no judgement on his
skills as a programmer. All I can see from his posts is that he has
been trying to persuade people to try his software for many years,
apparently with no takers at all.)

>
> He might try to get something done for free; For example there is a
> chap called "ToadandMargo" ( aka T )who goes to Windows 10 newsgroup and
> asks some technical questions when his customers ask him. He is quite
> open about this not even ashamed about it. People know about him and
> still decide to offer him solutions. He sometimes goes to C newsgroup
> and does the same thing thing. Search for the name T and you'll know him.
>

That's fine. People come to newsgroups all the time looking for help
and advice that is for use by customers. It is perhaps a bit crude to
simply ask for help and pass on the answers to your customers directly,
but "crude" can be okay too when you are open and honest about it.

And I have no problem with Brian (or anyone else) asking for free
advice. Pure hardware questions are well off-topic here, and better
handled elsewhere - and Brian knows this. He is not asking because he
thinks people here can give him a good recommendation of a power supply!

It is possible for hardware questions to be on-topic, but it would have
to be geared towards C++ (such as a discussion of what hardware
architectures would work best for particular software arrangements).

But I think this is enough off-topic posting for now.

[Öö Tiib]

On Thursday, 5 March 2020 10:22:47 UTC+2, David Brown wrote:
> On 05/03/2020 08:25, Real Troll wrote:
> > On 05/03/2020 07:11, Christian Gollwitzer wrote:
> >> OFF TOPIC. This has nothing to do with C++. Go to a hardware forum.
> >>
> >> Christian
> >
> > Are you the new moderator here or are you simply looking for a fight?
> >
>
> There is no moderator here, but Woodbrian's thinly veiled spam annoys a
> lot of people. He is trying to advertise for customers - in a
> desperate, annoying, and clearly futile manner. He posts some daft
> stuff - but /no one/ plans to buy a big fast server to handle customers
> when they don't have any, /no one/ who needs a server for their IT
> business should need a Usenet group to tell them about cloud services
> (the guy is obsessed with the idea of "middleware as a service" - cloud
> servers can't be a new thought for him). And /no one/ posts in a C++
> newsgroup when they actually want advice on server hardware.

Middleware as service does not seem to work even for dominant
monsters, who have all planet tightly covered with their powerful
servers, skyscrapers full of talented programmers and unimaginable
marketing budgets.

Example: Microsoft bought Skype, added its middleware services into
Skype's communications (that were P2P at first) and what was
once brilliant for global interaction product degraded into mediocre.
Pointless traffic in middle deteriorated latency and throughput of
the product badly. And market just shrugs and switches to alternatives
(like Zoom or Slack or just name it) like usually.

> He is merely spamming here. (Surely you should be able to recognize a
> fellow Troll?) Now, I wish him all the best in his business and success
> in his project - just as a do for anyone else.

Note that he is most likely convinced in opposite. To me it is even unclear
what the actual points and goals are of what he does. The comp.lang.c++
would no way fit into list of places that I would consider as marketing
channel. He is apparently not real businessman but still.

> But he has been at this
> for years - desperately offering money and free work hours for anyone
> who might use his product. When you can't pay people to take it, and
> have tried for many years, there is something badly wrong with your
> product or your business model.

Most people learn from analysing their previous successes and
failures, smarter people even learn from successes and
failures of others analysed by others. Woodbrian is avoiding doing
either ... despite he clearly isn't entirely dumb. So some aspect of
why to have such "product" is rational for him is apparently unclear
to us.

> This group is a fine place to discuss the C++ involved in his project -
> but not a place to advertise for customers.

It is fine to evaluate and discuss servers and communications of
whatever scale systems here too. Performance critical parts of such
systems are often written in C++ anyway. However I doubt that
it does help Woodbrian in any way. He just avoids discussing most
of the painfully obvious points raised.

[woodb...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, March 4, 2020 at 8:18:04 PM UTC-6, Real Troll wrote:
> On 04/03/2020 17:55, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Shalom
> >
> > As you may know I'm looking for some external users.
> > Despite the lack of users, I'm thinking about buying
> > parts and building a new server.
> >
> >
>
> People don't normally have their own servers these days when there are
> cheap alternatives that are resilient and on 24/7 availability. Try
> using Microsoft Azure or google Cloud and you'll be amazed that they are
> so affordable that why did nobody thought of that before!! After the
> trial period you will almost pennies per month depending on traffic
> generated by your work.
>

I've been using Duckduckgo.com for years as an alternative
to Google.
I don't have a "trial period". It's a free service.


Brian

[woodb...@gmail.com]

Do you have a suggestion for another forum?

[Mr Flibble]

On 05/03/2020 09:10, Real Troll wrote:
> On 05/03/2020 08:22, David Brown wrote:
>>
>> He is trying to advertise for customers
>>
>

> Search for the name T and you'll know him.

Do you not recognize how searching for "T" might be problematic? I suspect you do and you are simply shitposting.

/Flibble

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[Melzzzzz]

On 2020-03-04, woodb...@gmail.com <woodb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Shalom
>
> As you may know I'm looking for some external users.
> Despite the lack of users, I'm thinking about buying
> parts and building a new server.
>
> I'll probably go with AMD Ryzen, but am trying to
> decide between AM4 or a threadripper TRX40. I've been
> leaning toward a TRX40, but recently thought maybe
> that's overdoing it since I'm still looking for some
> external users. I could still get a 16 core chip
> with the AM4 socket.

Why do you need 16 core? You program in Python?
You can saturate bandwidth with single core, and
4 cores are overkill for most C++ uses ;)
I know as I am C++ network programmer ;)


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[Jorgen Grahn]

On Fri, 2020-03-06, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On 2020-03-04, woodb...@gmail.com <woodb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Shalom
>>
>> As you may know I'm looking for some external users.
>> Despite the lack of users, I'm thinking about buying
>> parts and building a new server.
>>
>> I'll probably go with AMD Ryzen, but am trying to
>> decide between AM4 or a threadripper TRX40. I've been
>> leaning toward a TRX40, but recently thought maybe
>> that's overdoing it since I'm still looking for some
>> external users. I could still get a 16 core chip
>> with the AM4 socket.

> Why do you need 16 core? You program in Python?
> You can saturate bandwidth with single core, and
> 4 cores are overkill for most C++ uses ;)
> I know as I am C++ network programmer ;)

He's writing something like a compiler. It's not clear to me that the
problem is I/O bound.

Personally I would start with an old used PC and make plans for
replacing it if needed: it's not clear that he needs sixteen cores,
either.

[Christian Gollwitzer]

Am 05.03.20 um 23:52 schrieb Mr Flibble:

> On 05/03/2020 09:10, Real Troll wrote:
>> On 05/03/2020 08:22, David Brown wrote:
>>>
>>> He is trying to advertise for customers
>>>
>>
>>  Search for the name T and you'll know him.
>
> Do you not recognize how searching for "T" might be problematic?  I
> suspect you do and you are simply shitposting.

What else did you expect from a real troll? I don't understand why
people answer him at all.

Christian

[woodb...@gmail.com]

An old PC isn't very reassuring. For someone thinking
about risking their future with me, it's understandable
to hope for more than that. Given that Elon Musk thinks
it's reasonable to live on Mars, I don't think it's much
of a stretch that a SaaS provider have quality hardware.

[Real Troll]

On 05/03/2020 16:56, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
> I've been using Duckduckgo.com for years as an alternative
> to Google.
> I don't have a "trial period". It's a free service.
>
>

So you must be a troll who don't even understand what people are
discussing on your own thread. Who was talking about duckduck and
Google search engines? are you another mentally retarded nutter here?

Google is running a business than spans many products. Google have what
is called Google Cloud. I suggest use your duckduck (I don't think
duckduck is a good search engine but anyway you are using it!! because
of your mental issues) and search for that service before exposing
yourself as another retarded nutter from the jungle of Palestine.