Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

Rick C. Hodgin down the pub with his mate at Christmas time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afRtJEaOSoE

/Flibble

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Read the Bible, Leigh, and prove me wrong based on fact, not opinion.

You'll find you can't, which is why you mock me, and why I pray
for you (because I know you're not stupid, but are just ignorant
due to the world not teaching you the truth, and that ignorance can
be remedied by honest learning).

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Gods design in beautiful detail, and of assembly and orchestration
proving evolution is impossible (specifically seen in the author's
presentation):

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00vBqYDBW5s
Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPkBEYsG6EQ

Author presentation in greater detail:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIwXH7W_FOk

Some nucleotide sequences are part of 12-way usage, meaning the
"bits" must align in 12 separate functions to be viable. One change
and one or many of the 12 uses fails, resulting in non-viability.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

The Multi-dimensional Genome.
Impossible for Darwinism to account for.
By Dr Robert Carter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3faN5fU6_Y

There are so many multi-use features found in DNA and RNA that
Darwinian evolution is completely disproven, and actually becomes
an embarrassment in the face of emerging evidence.

[Melzzzzz]

On Wed, 12 Oct 2016 10:02:34 -0700 (PDT)
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Read the Bible, Leigh, and prove me wrong based on fact, not opinion.

Ahahahhahahahhahahah.
Bible is so full of bullshit that I want to start from beginning, that
is genesis.
It is said that light was first created then Sun and stars ;)
And before light Earth was already there ;)
And what was Earth in Bible? You tell me. It isn't planet for sure ;)



--
press any key to continue or any other to quit

[Lynn McGuire]

On 10/12/2016 3:27 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Oct 2016 10:02:34 -0700 (PDT)
> "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Read the Bible, Leigh, and prove me wrong based on fact, not opinion.
>
> Ahahahhahahahhahahah.

> Bible is so full of bull**** that I want to start from beginning, that

> is genesis.
> It is said that light was first created then Sun and stars ;)
> And before light Earth was already there ;)
> And what was Earth in Bible? You tell me. It isn't planet for sure ;)

Please, the Bible is 100% correlative with science. You are mistaking the terminology of the prose with facts.

"1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of
the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters."

"3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the
darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day."

The Big Bang created a very small amount of matter and an incredible amount of energy, the temperature must have been in millions of
Kevin. The universe started expanding, the temperature dropped and the matter started condensing into stars. The planets were
created via stars. And the universe is still expanding and the temperature is still dropping.

Lynn

[Scott Lurndal]

Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> writes:
>On 10/12/2016 3:27 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> On Wed, 12 Oct 2016 10:02:34 -0700 (PDT)
>> "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Read the Bible, Leigh, and prove me wrong based on fact, not opinion.
>>
>> Ahahahhahahahhahahah.
>> Bible is so full of bull**** that I want to start from beginning, that
>> is genesis.
>> It is said that light was first created then Sun and stars ;)
>> And before light Earth was already there ;)
>> And what was Earth in Bible? You tell me. It isn't planet for sure ;)
>
>Please, the Bible is 100% correlative with science.

Bullshit.

>"1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

And your proof for this statement is? Note that self-referential
proof is not acceptable.

2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of
>the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters."

And your proof for this statement is?

[Real Troll]

On 12/10/2016 17:40, Mr Flibble wrote:
> Rick C. Hodgin down the pub with his mate at Christmas time:
>

At first I thought you wanted to say that Rick C Idiot has become
another suicide bomber and I was just about to open a bottle to rejoice
for the fact that we won't see him ever again but you disappointed me.

How old is he, do you know? The sooner he goes the better it would be
for the mankind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rick C. Hodgin]

I am 47 years old (or about 17,231 days):

http://www.visual-freepro.org/wiki/index.php/Rick_C._Hodgin
https://www.facebook.com/rick.c.hodgin
https://www.linkedin.com/in/rick-hodgin-24bb1864

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Thursday, October 13, 2016 at 1:46:27 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> writes:
> >On 10/12/2016 3:27 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
> >> On Wed, 12 Oct 2016 10:02:34 -0700 (PDT)
> >> "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Read the Bible, Leigh, and prove me wrong based on fact, not opinion.
> >>
> >> Ahahahhahahahhahahah.
> >> Bible is so full of bull**** that I want to start from beginning, that
> >> is genesis.
> >> It is said that light was first created then Sun and stars ;)
> >> And before light Earth was already there ;)
> >> And what was Earth in Bible? You tell me. It isn't planet for sure ;)
> >
> >Please, the Bible is 100% correlative with science.
>

> .. .

Have you examined it, Scott? Or did you, like I did, summarily conclude
upon the initial mention of anything related to God or the Bible, based
on the many failings of men who profess faith in Jesus Christ, that it must
be complete nonsense?

It wasn't until I began to examine things personally, and deeply, that I
came to see it as truth.

> >"1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
>
> And your proof for this statement is? Note that self-referential
> proof is not acceptable.

It's not possible that the Big Bang existed. At a time frame of before
approximately 10^(-31) seconds in the traditional model, things would've
been accelerating at speeds beyond the speed of light. Since we know
that's not possible, it's not possible for the Big Bang to have happened
even if we assume that it wasn't created by God and use our mathematical
model.

> 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of
> >the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters."
>
> And your proof for this statement is?

There is no proof of it. But there's also nothing to contradict it. If
we begin at the fact that there is nothing to contradict it, then we can
chalk it up to an unproven claim the Bible makes, and then go on to see
if other claims the Bible makes are actually true, those we can actually
verify.

You'll find when you begin investigating the Bible, it is correct. The
things it claims are either directly verifiable, or they cannot be
disproven. And when you press in deeply, you'll see that the model the
Bible gives in all areas is accurate, accounts for what could have
happened, and is, when you come to know the character and nature of Jesus
Christ, an accurate account of what did happen.

Press in, Scott. Seek the honest and true truth for yourself. Do not
take ANYONE's word for it. Study for yourself and examine deep, deep,
and come to find the truth out for yourself.

And I advise the same for everyone else. Do not summarily dismiss this
point because there is so much riding on it ... if what the Bible says
is true. And since I'm not asking you for money, or to join my church,
or to do anything other than seek the truth and examine it for yourself,
then what do I have to gain by doing this? Nothing. My prompting of
you is legitimately based upon my faith, and in teaching others that
which He first taught me. I care about your eternal soul, and I am
advising you toward the end which leads to salvation for your eternal
soul, and an eternity lived prospering in paradise (as God intended it
to be BEFORE sin came in and destroyed everything). So it can be again,
through Jesus Christ and the forgiveness of sin He freely offers us.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Thursday, October 13, 2016 at 2:58:24 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Thursday, October 13, 2016 at 1:46:27 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> > Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> writes:
> > >"1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
> >
> > And your proof for this statement is? Note that self-referential
> > proof is not acceptable.
>
> It's not possible that the Big Bang existed. At a time frame of before
> approximately 10^(-31) seconds in the traditional model, things would've
> been accelerating at speeds beyond the speed of light. Since we know
> that's not possible, it's not possible for the Big Bang to have happened
> even if we assume that it wasn't created by God and use our mathematical
> model.

Here is a video outlining several answers that believers in the model
of molecules to man evolution (Big Bang to people over billions of
years) cannot answer, and are assuming on faith that their beliefs are
correct, proving that molecules to man evolution is a literal religion,
and not science:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seGBTsLpMdI

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Now, you move into the areas of genetics research and you are absolutely
forced to conclude design. There are so many facets working in multiple
different dimensions atop the raw chemical sequence that is the A/T, C/G
of DNA, that the information systems built atop it could not have come
about by random chance no matter how much time they were given. It's
literally mathematically impossible in this universe.

And then you look at the varied life forms, the varied speciation within
each kind, the purpose of all of those life forms (to support man, God's
greatest creation), and you come away with not only a designer, but an
incredibly loving designer.

And then you look at the problems with this world, the way that there is
fighting and hate and war and disease and death and you naturally ask
yourself questions, "Why?" And then a document like the Bible is given
to you which answers those questions: sin.

It adds up to the truth. It adds up to a revelation. It adds up to that
which all people world-wide need to be set free from the system they're
an active part in, even if they aren't actively being a part of it so as
by their actions, simply by being alive they are directly and eternally
involved ... God's creation here upon the Earth.

-----
Upon the Earth we occupy these bodies. They have issues, disease is here,
we are not all of equal strength, equal reflexes, equal mental abilities,
and so on. We are varied and distinct. But these bodies are not our final
home. These are temporary tents that we occupy while we are here upon this
Earth.

The day is coming for each of us when we will leave this Earth. Could be
later today, tomorrow, next week, next month, next year, or after. But at
some point, each of us has an appointment with eternity. What happens then?

The Bible teaches us the truth about ourselves, the truth about eternity,
the truth about God, the truth about sin, the truth about the enemies of
God, and the necessity each of us possess to be set free from the crossfire
we've found ourselves in the midst of.

Each of us is born into sin, the sin of Adam brought forth through the many
generations unto the death we all must occupy at some point when our final
breath on this Earth is drawn. But that's not the end of our existence.

We are eternal beings who, for a time occupy this body. Why? Why does God
keep us here? It is because of the nature of the battle we face, which is
a battle against sin. Sin was introduced here upon the Earth, and it is
here upon the Earth that we must find forgiveness of sin, personally and
individually.

The original sin of Adam exists, but each of us also carry our own sin.
You need only spend a moment reading the 10 commandments to find out that
you have violated most if not all of them:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/exodus/20.htm

Each of us is guilty. God knows this. And those who are saved also know
this. But because of sin there is a great deception hanging over our
minds such that we do not know this. But God has promised that all people
who seek the truth, who come looking for the real truth, and who are not
content to be wrapped up in and believe the lie, that ALL who come to Him
seeking the truth honestly and truly, ALL of them will find it. It is His
promise to us, because Jesus Christ is truth, and all who seek Him find
Him, and all who find Him are set free by Him.

There is so much to this teaching, but for each of us it begins with a
journey in pursuit of the truth. We must seek after the things we find
in this world rightly, and truly, and purposefully, and with our sights
and sails heading always for the truth. And in so doing we are known to
God to be doing this, AND IT IS HE HIMSELF who then reaches into our
innermost being, flipping whatever switches are required, enabling us by
His grace and supernatural powers, to be able to literally come to know
the truth. Until this happens, we'll never find it, and will be forever
blind to it.

I urge each of you, with all that I possess in my life, to seek after
the truth with a full effort. Pursue it with vigor. Search for it like
you were searching for gold. In so doing you will find it, and in
finding it you will save your eternal soul by coming to Jesus Christ and
asking forgiveness for your sin, so that you too can live on in eternity
with God, in the paradise of God, prospering forever in a body that never
ages, and is more beautiful than the angels.

[Real Troll]

Your mental age seems to be 8.75!! Jesus got it wrong here then!!!

[Chris M. Thomasson]

[...]

IMVVHO, our universe is contained in a black hole, contained in our
parent universe. Time between the parent and child are radically
different. Its almost like a super massive black hole is a bifurcation
point. It can create another universe contained within itself. Its very
fractal in nature, creating a cosmic tree where branching points are
very massive stars exploding. I think God is this tree, with no
beginning, and no end. It was never created and will never die.

Oh well, call me crazy...

;^)

[jacobnavia]

Le 13/10/2016 à 19:46, Scott Lurndal a écrit :
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> writes:
>> On 10/12/2016 3:27 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>> On Wed, 12 Oct 2016 10:02:34 -0700 (PDT)
>>> "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Read the Bible, Leigh, and prove me wrong based on fact, not opinion.
>>>
>>> Ahahahhahahahhahahah.
>>> Bible is so full of bull**** that I want to start from beginning, that
>>> is genesis.
>>> It is said that light was first created then Sun and stars ;)
>>> And before light Earth was already there ;)
>>> And what was Earth in Bible? You tell me. It isn't planet for sure ;)
>>
>> Please, the Bible is 100% correlative with science.
>
> Bullshit.
>

Look, bull shit is useful for many insects and bacteria, that live
inside that. You can't compare that with the bible, something that
regorges of destruction and violence.

Bull shit is useful, much more than all bibles around.

Thesis:

If this all powerful god exists, can he forget?

Becvause if he is unable to forget he is not all powerful anymore: there
is one thing he can't do: forget.

So, this being god must be able to forget.

But if he forgets, then he can't remember what he has forgotten, hence
he is not all powerful anymore either.

Q.E.D.

The existence of an all powerful being is a contradiction in itself.

There is no god, nobody has ever seen one, he has no mass, like the
virgin, the saint espirit, and all the 3500 gods in existence today.

Those gods have no mass. They are just legends, like Santa Claus, and
many other legends and myths.

And please do not confuse science with religion. Galileo was forced to
retract because he contradicted the holy scriptures.

Yes, he did. And that contradiction is at the source of science: when
mankind stopped believing in that obsolete schema passed by religion and
started to *investigate* the universe in which we were born into.

The emancipation from religion is the basis of science.

[Gareth Owen]

jacobnavia <ja...@jacob.remcomp.fr> writes:

> So, this being god must be able to forget.
> But if he forgets, then he can't remember what he has forgotten, hence
> he is not all powerful anymore either.
>
> Q.E.D.

No, that's logically wrong. To have the capability to forget is not the
same thing as having forgotten, and your reasoning relies on them being
the same.

I wish they still taught formal logic in schools.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Thursday, October 13, 2016 at 5:38:17 PM UTC-4, jacobnavia wrote:
> [snip]

Jacob, you are making assumptions about things which are incorrect. You
begin with your own personal ideas about how things are, and then look to
how the Bible does not align with your thinking. If you are interested
in learning the truth, begin with the questions:

Is the Bible true? (general mindset)
What does it say or what claim does it make?

Then investigate what it says to see if it's plausible. If you pursue
the truth rigorously, you'll find it is. If you don't pursue the truth
rigorously, you'll find the enemy of God standing right there ready to
lead you into all falseness, leading you into whatever you will
personally believe in so as to give you some pseudo-confidence that you
are correct, when in fact you are wrong.

All I ask is that you personally investigate and seek the truth rigorously,
with a full and honest effort, and you will find it.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

I have theories about how our universe physically operates as by God's
design as well. It doesn't mean I'm right. It just means I have been
given a mind by God and am able to consider such things.

I desire to know the truth, and I put it before God, and I move forward
(mostly in the waiting, but that's okay because we're told there are
things we won't ever know on this side of death, but on the other side
all things will be revealed to us -- verse 12).

http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_corinthians/13.htm

9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in
part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child,
I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away
childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face:
now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest
of these is charity.

We do not know all things here because of sin, and what sin has done to
us and this world. On the other side of death, we will be stripped from
sin, but the things we did here (with regards to Jesus Christ, as well as
our physical acts and behaviors, words and philosophies) will be pulled
from the books they were written into. For Christians our works will be
tested by fire and for those things which remain we shall receive a
reward. For non-Christians, the books are used only to condemn as there
will be no rewards found in any acts no matter how magnanimous or
selfless they might be. All people who do not receive Jesus Christ as
Lord and Savior abide in sin, and their punishment is already before
them:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/john/3-18.htm

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth
not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name
of the only begotten Son of God.

Why? Because Jesus Christ is truth (John 14:6). All who reject Him are
literally rejecting truth, and embracing the lie:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/revelation/22-15.htm

15 For without [outside of Heaven] are dogs, and sorcerers, and
whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever
loveth and maketh a lie.

We each get to choose.

"You must choose, but choose wisely."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF2UrYSDb3k

And if you choose to be forgiven by Jesus Christ:

"You have chosen wisely."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_IlNbsILLE

[Rick C. Hodgin]

A newly discovered rotary engine inside the human body. It generates ATP
that every cell needs and uses for energy:

ATP Synthase
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI8m6o0gXDY

This one exists atop the already known bacterial flagellum "outboard engine"
that spins up to 100,000 RPM:

Bacterial Flagellum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N09BIEzDlI

These are biochemical machines designed for these purposes.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Saturday, November 5, 2016 at 7:13:30 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 12, 2016 at 3:25:04 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > The Multi-dimensional Genome.
> > Impossible for Darwinism to account for.
> > By Dr Robert Carter:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3faN5fU6_Y
> >
> > There are so many multi-use features found in DNA and RNA that
> > Darwinian evolution is completely disproven, and actually becomes
> > an embarrassment in the face of emerging evidence.
>
> A newly discovered rotary engine inside the human body. It generates ATP
> that every cell needs and uses for energy:
>
> ATP Synthase
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI8m6o0gXDY
>
> This one exists atop the already known bacterial flagellum "outboard engine"
> that spins up to 100,000 RPM:
>
> Bacterial Flagellum
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N09BIEzDlI

Also here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRF0HeG-mhM&t=1m26s

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Gears for synchronized motion of the hind legs. Certainly not by chance:

http://www.sciencefriday.com/articles/picture-of-the-week-planthopper-gears/

[Öö Tiib]

On Sunday, 6 November 2016 01:43:32 UTC+2, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Saturday, November 5, 2016 at 7:13:30 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Wednesday, October 12, 2016 at 3:25:04 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > > The Multi-dimensional Genome.
> > > Impossible for Darwinism to account for.

.. etc.

Note that you are here sermonizing back at your dogmatizing back at your
pontificating. IOW ... talking to yourself. The views of your flat
earth society are not topical in comp.lang.c++.

You have apparently lost ability to program yourself out of a paper bag.
Otherwise you would try evolutionary algorithms out yourself and see
that evolution takes time and resources but really works and reaches
complex solutions.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

I do not believe in a flat Earth. That group is led by wicked evil spirits
to deceive people. We can see our place in the signs of the Heavens
given us by God for that purpose. Lunar libration alone disproves
a flat Earth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjyl3gLsgww

I'm talking about observable science, math, physics, all affirming
the Bible, but also that the Bible is a cut above our natural observation,
in that it also explains spiritual things which then yield additional
information beyond what our natural eyes can see directly.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

DNA replication. Molecular machines making copies of the original
strand of DNA. Packaging mechanisms to keep the strand untangled,
and to allow ordered access.

Tiny machines, thousands of them, in every cell making your complex
life possible ... and that doesn't include the second and third layers
of design, such as physical arrangement of organs, their specialized
purposes, and the invisible qualities like thought, and the programming
of emotions, conjecture, laughter, sadness, and so on:

TED - Animations of unseen biology
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFCvkkDSfIU

Certainly not by chance.

[Melzzzzz]

On Sun, 6 Nov 2016 02:54:40 -0800 (PST)

"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> I'm talking about observable science, math, physics, all affirming
> the Bible,

Ahahahhahahhahahhaha

[Öö Tiib]

On Sunday, 6 November 2016 12:54:49 UTC+2, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> I do not believe in a flat Earth. That group is led by wicked evil spirits
> to deceive people. We can see our place in the signs of the Heavens
> given us by God for that purpose.

How so? I have read the Bible. The cosmology in Bible is not so comical as
in books of Terry Pratchett, but close. Earth is firm and immovable, heavens
are based on literal vault or dome, stars are little lights that may fall
down, earth has center and farthest bounds. Thanks to search engines
anyone who cares can verify it. I did and found pile of quotes for ignorant
you:

1 Chronicles 16:30: He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.

Psalm 93:1: Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ...

Psalm 96:10: He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...

Psalm 104:5: Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.

Isaiah 45:18: ... who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast ...

Job 9:8, ... who by himself spread out the heavens ...”

Psalm 19:1, The heavens tell out the glory of God, the vault of heaven reveals his handiwork.

Psalm 102:25, ... the heavens were thy handiwork.

Isaiah 45:12, I, with my own hands, stretched out the heavens and caused all their host to shine ...

Isaiah 48:13, ... with my right hand I formed the expanse of the sky ...

Daniel 4:10-11. ... saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth ... reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds ...

etc. etc.

Nowhere in Bible there are anything about actual stars, planets or galaxies.
Were all those places of Bible written or translated by evil spirits?
You haven't perhaps read it? It is *not* science book.

Evolution is fact, Earth is round and Elvis is dead. :-/

[Daniel]

On Sunday, November 6, 2016 at 8:52:35 AM UTC-5, Öö Tiib wrote:
>
> Evolution is fact,

yes

> Earth is round

yes

> and Elvis is dead

well, maybe

Daniel

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Öö Tiib wrote:
> Nowhere in Bible there are anything about actual stars, planets
> or galaxies.

http://biblehub.com/kjv/genesis/1.htm

16 And God made two great lights; the greater
light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule
the night: he made the stars also.

The focus of the Bible is on His Son and our relationship to Him.
God has created many wonders, but none of them rate in significance
near us. We were the reason He created everything. It's all here to
support us, both now, and in eternity. Even the angels are here to
serve us:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/hebrews/1.htm

13 But to which of the angels said he at any
time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine
enemies thy footstool?

14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth
to minister for them who shall be heirs of
salvation?

We are important to Him. It's why He came to save us.

[Melzzzzz]

On 2016-11-06, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Öö Tiib wrote:
>> Nowhere in Bible there are anything about actual stars, planets
>> or galaxies.
>
> http://biblehub.com/kjv/genesis/1.htm
>
> 16 And God made two great lights; the greater
> light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule
> the night: he made the stars also.

God created light, day and night then Sun and stars ;)

[Öö Tiib]

On Sunday, 6 November 2016 17:47:39 UTC+2, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Öö Tiib wrote:
> > Nowhere in Bible there are anything about actual stars, planets
> > or galaxies.
>
>

> 16 And God made two great lights; the greater
> light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule
> the night: he made the stars also.

Exactly, all in Genesis is in the very same way how in the other quotes
I gave that you snipped. Nowhere in Bible are described *actual* stars,
planets or galaxies.

Sun and Moon and stars are just "lights" in Heaven by Bible. Heaven
is a vault or dome, "a firmament" above waters that was made on second
day. These lights are smaller "details" to its authors so were put
to Heaven at fourth day of creation.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Öö Tiib wrote:
> [snip]

I reiterate:

"The focus of the Bible is on His Son and our relationship [with] Him.

God has created many wonders, but none of them rate in significance

[anywhere] near us. We were the reason He created everything. It's

all here to support us, both now, and in eternity."

The Bible records all we see will wax old and wear out like a
garment, and they will be changed. But He will never change, nor
will we in eternity.

Satan tries to keep us from this.

[Mr Flibble]

Hodgin is too far gone in his brainwashed delusion: it is pointless
trying to reason with him. He believes Genesis is literally true
despite evidence to the contrary which he explains away as a deception
of Satan.

/Flibble

[Daniel]

On Sunday, November 6, 2016 at 1:11:46 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>
> [Hodgin] ... believes Genesis is literally true

The texts are right about one thing, that the early Isralies tended to the old gods, the old practices, to the chagrin of the prophets. But while the biblical polemic presents this as an outside influence, scholars recognize that these were actually the old practices in Israel, shared with its neighbors.

But it's in the nature of people to believe: some believe in the Messiah, some believe in Donald Trump, some believe that they're the same, and some believe that C++ follows the zero overhead principle ("alas, poor streams ...")

Daniel

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 11/6/2016 7:49 AM, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On 2016-11-06, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Öö Tiib wrote:
>>> Nowhere in Bible there are anything about actual stars, planets
>>> or galaxies.
>>
>> http://biblehub.com/kjv/genesis/1.htm
>>
>> 16 And God made two great lights; the greater
>> light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule
>> the night: he made the stars also.
>
> God created light, day and night then Sun and stars ;)

IIRC, there is a place in the Bible where God says that there are more
stars than grains of sand on the Earth.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> IIRC, there is a place in the Bible where God says that there are
> more stars than grains of sand on the Earth.

God's thoughts toward each of us individually outnumber
the sand:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/psalms/139.htm

17 How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how
great is the sum of them!

18 If I should count them, they are more in number than the
sand: when I awake, I am still with thee.

The count of stars and sand are often used interchangeably in the
Bible. Man has determined there are more stars than grains of sand
though astronomy and max volume count computations.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

Well, there are a lot of stars in our own galaxy. Then think of all the
galaxies! Trust me, we are not alone.

;^)

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 11/6/2016 5:59 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

Seriously, I want to know. Do you think that Earth is the only planet
with sentient beings?

[Rick C. Hodgin]

I trust in what God has told us. The Bible teaches us the path to
salvation, the path to forgiveness of sin by His Son, Jesus Christ.
The Bible teaches us that there are things we know today only in part,
but that then on the other side of death we will then know in full.
The Bible has not stated there are other beings in the universe, only
that there are other beings in the Third Heaven (an invisible realm
which someone Paul knew was taken there and where he heard things that
aren't even lawful for a man to speak about):

http://biblehub.com/kjv/2_corinthians/12.htm

2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body,
I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)
such an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I
cannot tell: God knoweth;)
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words,
which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
5 Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in
mine infirmities.
6 For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will
say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me
above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me.

There is clearly other life in the universe. Is it other life like us?
Since the Bible records it was unlawful for a man to speak about, and that
he heard those things, they were not spoken by man. They were of some
other kind of beings, which I will reckon are members of the citizens of
Heaven, eternal beings that are of a form and manner of varying consistency
as we see here on Earth with the varying form and manner of people groups.

God is diverse. His creativity and resourcefulness in Creation is diverse.
What He has created here on Earth is astounding, and yet everything here is
today under sin and fallen in disgrace and wearing down. Yet in eternity,
things are spiritual, not natural, and there is no wearing down.

Jesus Christ is life, and the wellspring of it. Everything He's created
is of life in this universe. It is only because of sin here upon this
Earth that things here die, and I believe that is also part of His design,
for God would've known when creating Satan how he would turn, and how Adam
and Even would've fallen, and He already had a plan formed before He laid
the foundation of the world to rescue us, to save all those who would be
saved, and to eternally damn all those who would not be saved.

I believe that in the pattern God gave Abraham, the one to whom He made
his promise to bless all nations that bless him, and curse all nations
that curse him, that on the 8th day they should be circumcised as part
of an everlasting covenant with God, that He has done the same thing in
Creation.

Six days of Creation. One day of rest. And then the 8th day begins,
the eternal day, whereby the excess flesh is shed, and the ongoing
covenant with God is established. The shedding of that foreskin flesh
is a precursor of the shedding of the excess flesh from this world,
and of those who will not be saved, such that those who are saved enter
into that ongoing covenant, with the eighth day being an eternal day.

-----
God has given us many patterns here on Earth for what's coming in eternity.
Marriage. Seasons. Building blocks. Even the New Jerusalem coming down
out of Heaven is in the shape of a massive 1500 mile cube.

It is clear this is part of a much larger work God is creating. Our goals
here in this world are to come to His Son and be saved, and to then go out
and do labor to reach others, so that as the seed was planted in us of our
faith in Him, so it will grow and produce much fruit, so that by all of our
corporate work (Christians, and ultimately also the Jews who are saved),
that at harvest time the bounty will be full and rich, so that the next
phase of our existence will be before us, and and we will not be cast into
the fire, will not be lost.

A myriad of life awaits us. At the very least there will be things we'll
be able to hear and know then which are illegal for us to speak about here
on Earth today, but I believe this is only a small fraction of what's
really going on up there because Jesus said that in His Father's House
there are many mansions, and that He's going up there to prepare a place
for us. As the pattern was given to man here on the Earth that we were
to subdue it, and there was land here a plenty for all to labor and work
and share and grow, so is the bounty of Heaven. How big is the Earth
compared to a man? And how big is the universe compared to this Earth?
And what lies beyond this universe that cannot be seen? And how big is
it compared to this universe?

God has plenty in store for all of us. Our goals here upon this Earth
are to salvation, and then teaching others unto salvation, so that we
are saved, married to Jesus Christ, and then we enter into that eternal
eighth day after the seven days of Creation are fulfilled here upon
this Earth.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 11/6/2016 7:31 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Sunday, November 6, 2016 at 9:50:40 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 11/6/2016 5:59 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>> IIRC, there is a place in the Bible where God says that there are
>>>> more stars than grains of sand on the Earth.
>>>
>>> God's thoughts toward each of us individually outnumber
>>> the sand:
>>>
>>> http://biblehub.com/kjv/psalms/139.htm
>>>
>>> 17 How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how
>>> great is the sum of them!
>>>
>>> 18 If I should count them, they are more in number than the
>>> sand: when I awake, I am still with thee.
>>>
>>> The count of stars and sand are often used interchangeably in the
>>> Bible. Man has determined there are more stars than grains of sand
>>> though astronomy and max volume count computations.
>>
>> Seriously, I want to know. Do you think that Earth is the only planet
>> with sentient beings?
>
> I trust in what God has told us. The Bible teaches us the path to
> salvation, the path to forgiveness of sin by His Son, Jesus Christ.
> The Bible teaches us that there are things we know today only in part,
> but that then on the other side of death we will then know in full.
> The Bible has not stated there are other beings in the universe, only

[...]

So, I take it your answer to my simple question is no: You think we are
all alone, simply because the Bible does not mention it. I wonder what
you would do if aliens just happened to present themselves. Would you
totally freak out?

;^)

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> I wonder what you would do if aliens just happened to
> present themselves. Would you totally freak out?

I would conclude they are what they are: demon liars
masquerading as aliens to deceive people so they'll believe
the lie, remain unforgiven, and enter into Hell for all eternity
upon their death.

I believe "aliens" will be used as the cover story when the rapture
takes place. There are already preparations for it. A NASA feed
was cut off unexpectedly after an object entered the field of view.
The Pope has said he would welcome aliens as brothers and
sisters in Christ. The Vatican has a large telescope called "Lucifer"
(not kidding) in their basement, and a team searching for extra-
terrestrial life.

I believe it's schooling unaware to prepare nonbelievers for the
deception that's coming over the whole Earth, so they will relate to
and embrace the lie.

[leigh.v....@googlemail.com]

And that ladies and gentlemen is what is known in the trade as "batshit crazy"

[Rick C. Hodgin]

> And that ladies and gentlemen is what is known in the trade as ".. crazy"

The rapture is by no means a certainty. There are passages which support
it, and passages which support it does not exist. It depends on how you
look at things.

Other things are more clear, however. The Pope, for example, has just
released six new Beatitudes. The Beatitudes are those things Jesus spoke
on the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew 5-7.

The Pope did not introduce some new guidance for Catholics, or to issue a
manmade doctrine to augment our existence as by a church activity. He
called them Beatitudes, placing himself on the same level with Christ,
stating that what Jesus gave us was insufficient, and that he then has
the power, authority, and right to introduce new teachings.

It's one of the most sinister things anyone's ever done with regards to
an attack against Jesus, because this one comes in the form of a friendly
addition designed to help out believers, and our fellow man.

-----
There are real things taking place in this world which will affect us in
eternity. I am advising every person to seek out the truth for themselves
so they will come to a full knowledge of the truth, and to teach you that
such a pursuit of the truth will lead you to Jesus Christ, to forgiveness,
to salvation, and to a new nature you've never imagined possible -- the
born again nature.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 11/7/2016 3:28 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> I wonder what you would do if aliens just happened to
>> present themselves. Would you totally freak out?
>
> I would conclude they are what they are: demon liars
> masquerading as aliens to deceive people so they'll believe
> the lie, remain unforgiven, and enter into Hell for all eternity
> upon their death.

IIRC, the Bible says that the first supernatural entities to visit
modern Earth are not good at all. This is why I was worried that you
would not be able to explain the event, simply because the Bible does
not specifically mention aliens. You would be in a catch 22.

> I believe "aliens" will be used as the cover story when the rapture
> takes place. There are already preparations for it. A NASA feed
> was cut off unexpectedly after an object entered the field of view.
> The Pope has said he would welcome aliens as brothers and
> sisters in Christ. The Vatican has a large telescope called "Lucifer"
> (not kidding) in their basement, and a team searching for extra-
> terrestrial life.
>
> I believe it's schooling unaware to prepare nonbelievers for the
> deception that's coming over the whole Earth, so they will relate to
> and embrace the lie.

This is another worry of mine. If they do come here, and you are still
here, well, what about that rapture non-sense? IIRC, God's elect need to
be here during that time.

And, what about those hybrid Giants? Are they not intrusive alien
science experiments that God dislikes so much?

Ahhh, now you got be talking about the Bible as well!

YIKES.

;^/