How much is your life worth?

[Rick C. Hodgin]

How much is your life worth?

There are a lot of hypocrites in this world ... Christians who call themselves
by that name, yet are no different than the world. Using profanity, dressing
inappropriately, being rude, mean, watching the TV shows and movies, listening
to the songs, all of which when you compare them side-by-side to the teachings
of Jesus Christ, fall woefully short of what the Bible calls "holy" behavior.

Why? Why are so many Christians hypocrites?

Jesus Christ has a calling upon people's lives. His calling is an internal
calling, and it is a calling toward holiness and action. That calling is not
something that can be received by someone until they are honestly searching
for the truth. For some this comes automatically, but for others they have
to make a conscious decision to honestly and truly seek the truth regardless
of what things they may have been taught in the past.

The truth is ... there are no hypocrites in the Kingdom of God, and Jesus
doesn't call people forward to be hypocrites. He calls them forward to be
disciples, and to receive His Holy message (called "holy" because it's
distinct and separate from the ways of the world), and for the person who
received this to actually live it in their life and to then go out and teach
others.

God knows we are still here in this fallen world, and that we will make
mistakes. We will stumble and fall down in our walk. We might say some
remark, or even do some thing, which we must later repent of. But what He
calls Christians to is an overall movement in this world toward increasing
holiness, a lifelong process for every believer called "sanctification,"
whereby the former ways things were done, thought of, taught, and considered,
are replaced with His teachings over time. Some of these are immediate, but
others will be introduced over time.

-----
If you are put off by hypocritical Christians and think that Jesus Christ is
like that .... please know that He is not. He calls people into a true walk
with Him, in holiness, in temperance, in love, in peace, and always teaching.

If you recognize that many Christians are hypocrites, then that is a good
thing, because you're already half way there in realizing that the way so
many people who profess to be Christians in this world are isn't really the
way we're supposed to be.

What God is calling YOU to be is the PROPER kind of Christian, the one who
is truly born again, changed from the inside out, and then lives the rest of
their life from within that change. He promises this change will come with
the forgiveness of sin and repentance, for all who seek Him honestly and
truly. He visits the pure in heart:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/5-8.htm
8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

Be the Christian Jesus Christ is calling you to be. Be it for real. Be
it for Him. Be it for all of those around you who are perishing who,
upon hearing the word of truth given rightly, might come out from the
darkness and deception and into His marvelous light.

http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_peter/2-9.htm
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation,
a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who
hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God:
which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of God in an unrepentant state.
It is a wonderful thing to receive Jesus Christ, receive forgiveness, and to
pass from death to life even while we yet live here in this world. Seek a
closer relationship with the Lord, and watch Him work miracles in your life.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

[Öö Tiib]

On Monday, 17 October 2016 15:30:53 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> How much is your life worth?
>
> There are a lot of hypocrites in this world ... Christians who call themselves
> by that name, yet are no different than the world.

It takes one to know one. However it is strange that you bad-mouth
your fellow Christians in C++ group. Go talk about your concerns in
Christian group. Actually what you do is likely unjust psychological
projection since by my experience most Christians are decent and
nice people.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Christians are decent and nice people, but they will not be tolerated by
those in this world who are perishing. They will point to Jesus Christ
as the only way to Heaven, the only way to eternal life, the source and
driving cause of all foundation of truth, of justice, of law, the reason
why we exist upon this Earth, the teaching in how we should interact with
one another.

The message of the cross, and the teachings of Jesus Christ, are wholly
offensive to the flesh. They are spirit, and they are not compatible
with the flesh.

The people who you know who are Christians who are decent and nice people
that you get along with, they are not walking a holy walk, or teaching a
right message of Jesus Christ, because if they were it would divide you
from them, not because they are being divisive, but because the message
itself is divisive:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/10-34.htm
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to
send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and
the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against
her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me:
and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of
me.
38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not
worthy of me.

His call is real. And it's for real men and women. Not pretenders. Not
those who are worldly. It is a real call to stand up for a King and
proclaim His Holy Name before all the world warring against Him.

It is the tallest calling we have as people. There is no greater calling.
It's why so few people rise up to to receive it, because in so doing they
must yield their own will, and receive His will, and most people love to
be in control of their lives so much because they only see what's in front
of them and do not consider eternity. It will cost them everything. Even
their eternal soul.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

To be perfectly clear about this, there are no Christians anywhere who
will not suffer persecution for their walk:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/john/15-20.htm
20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater
than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute
you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

Those who will not come to Jesus Christ to receive forgiveness, to be born
again, to be literally changed from within so that the old has passed away
and the new man is born, those who will not receive salvation are damned.

Jesus is the great divider, and everyone on this Earth is in a binary state,
either saved, or not saved. All who are saved will teach of Him, and all
who are not saved will continue on like the world:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/john/15-19.htm
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because
ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world,
therefore the world hateth you.

Christians are no longer of this world. We are ambassadors here now of His
eternal Kingdom:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/2_corinthians/5-20.htm
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech
you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

We teach of His Kingdom, His ways, salvation through Him, and the eternal
condemnation of this world and everyone who loves it and the things of it.

This world is being run by an evil enemy, which is why there is nonstop
war, hate, strife, and death. Jesus Christ is THE cure for that ill, for
He has defeated that enemy.

He is our ONLY way out of this fallen and damned world. He is our literal
salvation.

[bitrex]

On 10/17/2016 08:29 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> Be the Christian Jesus Christ is calling you to be. Be it for real. Be
> it for Him. Be it for all of those around you who are perishing who,
> upon hearing the word of truth given rightly, might come out from the
> darkness and deception and into His marvelous light.

Jesus Christ was a self-aggrandizing sociopath who likely suffered from
narcissistic personality disorder of the malignant variety.

The families and other acquaintances of Peter and Andrew probably
starved to death, or at the very least were driven into abject poverty,
after they threw down their nets and gave up their job catching fish.

Ol' JC didn't care about that one bit, though. He just needed a solid
suck-up team to tag along and sing his praises.

[Juha Nieminen]

Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There are a lot of hypocrites in this world

So you decided to give us a demonstration, you self-righteous,
self-entitled dishonest hypocrite.

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[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 10/17/2016 5:29 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> How much is your life worth?
>
> There are a lot of hypocrites in this world ... Christians who call themselves

[...]

Here is a blue print for God I created:

https://youtu.be/k9qpHcfiDho

Here is a volumetric rendering of all the slices:

http://siggrapharts.ning.com/photo/alien-anatomy

LOL! If you can be crazy, than so can I? lol.

We are all going to hell. Shit%y times Rick...

;^)

[Chris M. Thomasson]

Funny thing is that this alien was created with a simple fractal formula
I designed:

https://plus.google.com/101799841244447089430/posts/ecUuFZ1rcTN

[Real Troll]

On 17/10/2016 13:29, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> How much is your life worth?
>

Have you asked this question to a Muslim Jihadist? They know the worth
of any life on this planet!!!!!!!!!!

They are killing each other on an industrial scale!!! Are you thinking
of doing the same with Christians?

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Tuesday, October 18, 2016 at 7:40:03 PM UTC-4, Real Troll wrote:
> On 17/10/2016 13:29, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > How much is your life worth?
>
> Have you asked this question to a Muslim Jihadist? They know the worth
> of any life on this planet!!!!!!!!!!

No. They are deceived into believing that our lives have no value and that
there is only a flesh-based nature to our existence. They are not interested
in the truth, and therefore they are willing to believe the lies of the enemy.

> They are killing each other on an industrial scale!!! Are you thinking
> of doing the same with Christians?

The born again nature is spirit. We are told to mortify the flesh, to cease
following after its pursuits and passions. It is not something we can do on
our own, but with God's Holy Spirit it becomes possible (it's difficult to
explain without the common frame of reference).

Christians do not fight other people. There are Christians who are not yet
mature, or are not actually born again, who still have a greater focus on
the flesh than on the spirit, but it is not our destination.

Our goals are to fight the evil spirits which are leading the people of this
world into falseness and sin and all that goes with it (hate, war, killing,
death). Those evil spirits are invisible to our natural senses, but they
are able to exert influence upon our flesh so that we think and feel their
influence. It can amp us up, depress us, increase our passion, lust, all
manner of things. They use this to cause us to increase in sin, and to do
harm. They are also vicariously living their lives through us, using our
natural senses for input also into their spirit. They do this because
their physical bodies are locked up in chains awaiting the day of judgment.
They can't come here in their own bodies, but they can come here spiritually.
But in their spirit they cannot be seen and they have no influence upon this
world.

In any event ... a Christian's goals are to teach people these things so
that those who have an ear to hear can hear as God affirms within their inner
man the truth of what is spoken. To everyone who is not born again, or who
is not in pursuit of the truth, it will seem as it does to Chris, to be only
a fool's babblings. But for the discerning, and the one seeking the truth,
they'll see how it aligns with scripture, and they'll learn from these
teachings those things they haven't yet learned, and they will then be able
to teach others by the unique and special knowledge God has imparted into
them which will augment our understanding collectively, as God gives out
to each separately so we will come together and work as a team, being
stronger together than we are in isolation. It's the general nature of
His entire Kingdom (working together).

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 10/18/2016 5:10 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 18, 2016 at 7:40:03 PM UTC-4, Real Troll wrote:
>> On 17/10/2016 13:29, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

[...]

> Christians do not fight other people.

You sure fight with us! ;^o

[Rick C. Hodgin]

I'm sorry it seems that way, Chris. I am trying to teach you the things
you'll never learn in this world, and won't even learn at many churches
because Satan is not just in the world, he's also in the church.

You need to seek out born again Christians to learn the things of God,
and pursue the study with a true and honest truth-seeking effort. If you
do this, God Himself will teach you, and He will lead you in your life to
those who will teach you.

It's how it works. The spirit leads the flesh. We are either led by the
spirit of the enemy (before we are born again, it's all we know and we are
all slaves to it), or when we seek the truth we are led by the spirit of
God. But for all of those who won't seek the truth, they'll never know
any of it. And for all those who will seek the truth, God will reveal to
them as much as they're able to receive.

[Melzzzzz]

On 2016-10-19, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 18, 2016 at 8:43:24 PM UTC-4, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 10/18/2016 5:10 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, October 18, 2016 at 7:40:03 PM UTC-4, Real Troll wrote:
>> >> On 17/10/2016 13:29, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> [...]
>> > Christians do not fight other people.
>>
>> You sure fight with us! ;^o
>
> I'm sorry it seems that way, Chris. I am trying to teach you the things
> you'll never learn in this world, and won't even learn at many churches
> because Satan is not just in the world, he's also in the church.

Satan is before all things in your head... you cannot escape ...


--
press any key to continue or any other to quit

[Rick C. Hodgin]

You're right. Our flesh is fallen in sin, and he is continually there
trying to temp us into sin and immorality. Satan is before all people
worldwide continually. He prowls around like a roaring lion looking
for whom he can devour:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_peter/5-8.htm
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a
roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

That's why we're told to be sober and remain vigilant, and why we're told
to pursue God in spirit and in truth:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/john/4-23.htm
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall
worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh
such to worship him.

And:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/galatians/5-17.htm
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against
the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that
ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

And several others.

-----
Satan is no small foe. He convinced one third of the angels to follow
him when he rebelled against God. One third of the angels! Those who
were standing in the very presence of God. That shows how clever and
crafty the devil is. We also read in scripture several places how he
moves so cleverly to position his attacks to inflict maximum damage.

We cannot defeat him on our own. He owns us. But through Jesus Christ
we find victory, and the guiding of God's Holy Spirit prompts us to
victory when we obey Him.

[Real Troll]

On 19/10/2016 01:49, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> because Satan is not just in the world, he's also in the church.
>

Do you have porn in your church? Surely you must have to entertain all
bishops and nuns!!!!!!!!! after the Sunday service.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

You're thinking of Catholics. But because we live in a fallen world, and
because all of us are tied to this bodies fallen in sin, it is an ever-
present thorn in our collective side, and it will be that way until Jesus
returns. It's why we must be led by the spirit, and not the flesh:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/galatians/5.htm

16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the
lust of the flesh.

17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against
the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that
ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these;
Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath,
strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like:
of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in
time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit
the kingdom of God.

Christians who walk by the spirit will be marked by their behavior:

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering,
gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the
affections and lusts.

As an athlete disciplines their life to train for their goal, so do
Christians discipline their life for their goal, which is to serve the
Lord in truth, in holiness, in meekness, in pursuit of His Holy Spirit.
Within that meekness, by the way, comes an unwavering pursuit of His
teachings, such that we are bold in Him, but we are not bold in ourselves.
I would not stand up and proclaim the greatness of Rick, but I would
stand up and boldly proclaim the greatness of Jesus Christ.

25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another,
envying one another.

Many people who profess faith in Christianity are still babes in Christ,
or they are not saved. You must examine each one to know if they are
truly walking after Jesus Christ, truly born again, truly being led by
the spirit, because even Satan himself can appear as an angel of light,
to deceive those who are not truly discerning:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/2_corinthians/11.htm
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel
of light.

There are a lot of false people in the church. Each of them is known by
their fruit. They may be able to fool some people for a while, but they
will not be able to fool everyone for long.

[Christian Gollwitzer]

Am 19.10.16 um 01:05 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson:

>
> Funny thing is that this alien was created with a simple fractal formula
> I designed:
>
> https://plus.google.com/101799841244447089430/posts/ecUuFZ1rcTN

No! Intelligent design?


Christian

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 10/18/2016 5:49 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 18, 2016 at 8:43:24 PM UTC-4, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 10/18/2016 5:10 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2016 at 7:40:03 PM UTC-4, Real Troll wrote:
>>>> On 17/10/2016 13:29, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> [...]
>>> Christians do not fight other people.
>>
>> You sure fight with us! ;^o
>
> I'm sorry it seems that way, Chris. I am trying to teach you the things
> you'll never learn in this world, and won't even learn at many churches
> because Satan is not just in the world, he's also in the church.

[...]

Rick, it is probably not a good idea to show up at a party, and starting
telling people that it does not matter if they are a good person, for
they are going to burn in hell forever unless they, get on their knees,
and worship God. Also, telling them that its their fault as sinners for
all of the problems on this planet, is not a good idea. Then telling
them that its not a sin to make a lot of money, or getting married is to
tempting for sin is in you, is so wrong. Also, you would end up telling
them that the Earth is only a few thousand years old. Jesus Christ Rick,
what the hell is wrong with you!!! God Damn It!

Then you tell me:

>> You sure fight with us! ;^o
>
> I'm sorry it seems that way, Chris.

WTF Rick! You are sick. SICK!!!!!

WOW!

You call people sinners, then act like you are not starting a
conflict/fight. Total moron!

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 10/19/2016 3:37 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 10/18/2016 5:49 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

[...]

> Then telling
> them that its not a sin to make a lot of money, or getting married is to

Well, unfortunately this is a typo. I wrote that Rick would say that its
not a sin to make $$$ and marry.

Well, I am wrong here... Rick says it IS a sin to make and keep profits,
and a bad idea to marry because it has too much of a temptation to not
worship God enough.

[...]

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > > [...]
> > Then telling
> > them that its not a sin to make a lot of money, or getting
> > married is to
>
> Well, unfortunately this is a typo. I wrote that Rick would say
> that its not a sin to make $$$ and marry.
>
> Well, I am wrong here... Rick says it IS a sin to make and keep
> profits, and a bad idea to marry because it has too much of a
> temptation to not worship God enough.

Read what I wrote again. Your comments regarding my position
are wrong.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 10/19/2016 3:54 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>> Then telling
>>> them that its not a sin to make a lot of money, or getting
>>> married is to
>>
>> Well, unfortunately this is a typo. I wrote that Rick would say
>> that its not a sin to make $$$ and marry.
>>
>> Well, I am wrong here... Rick says it IS a sin to make and keep
>> profits, and a bad idea to marry because it has too much of a
>> temptation to not worship God enough.
>
> Read what I wrote again.

You wrote that Paul suggested against marriage because one might be too
tempted by their spouse, and not worship God full time, or enough. Blah.

> Your comments regarding my position
> are wrong.

You wrote that its a sin to make more money that the cost of labor via
selling copies of software and keeping profits from sales beyond the
cost of labor.

You also mentioned that we should may employees via unexpected gifts.

I can show you links if you want. You wrote this trash Rick. Damn it!

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> I can show you links if you want. You wrote this trash Rick.

Regarding money:

Show me links. Or better yet, bring the exact quotes I wrote about
money, one after the other, all of them, along with the links. Then
you can gain wisdom as to what I wrote.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

You said that selling a shit%load of copies beyond the cost of labor
investment is a sin:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/comp.lang.c++/gtpwlZiPuog/wrmqN4GZEwAJ

Do you want more?

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Chris M. Thomasson, I would like to ask that you stop using profanity,
and that includes abbreviations which include profane words.

If you can do that I will continue this discussion.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 10/19/2016 6:58 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Chris M. Thomasson, I would like to ask that you stop using profanity,
> and that includes abbreviations which include profane words.
>
> If you can do that I will continue this discussion.

You are a weak minded delusional little thing of a person.

[Daniel]

On Wednesday, October 19, 2016 at 9:59:25 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Chris M. Thomasson, I would like to ask that you stop using profanity,
> and that includes abbreviations which include profane words.
>
> If you can do that I will continue this discussion.
>

That's silly, that will only encourage him to use more profanity!

Daniel

[Rick C. Hodgin]

If you set your sights on the truth, and read what I wrote, considering
thoroughly my words, you might step away from that conclusion.

It's your choice, Chris. I know Whose I am, and where I'm going
when I leave this world. My efforts have been to teach you, not to
persuade you. You will either receive His teachings or not. And
you are free at ANY time to go straight to the Bible and bypass me
completely. You'll come to find I've conveyed things accurately.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 10/19/2016 7:15 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 10/19/2016 6:58 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> Chris M. Thomasson, I would like to ask that you stop using profanity,
>>> and that includes abbreviations which include profane words.
>>> If you can do that I will continue this discussion.
>>
>> You are a weak minded delusional little thing of a person.
>
> If you set your sights on the truth, and read what I wrote, considering
> thoroughly my words, you might step away from that conclusion.

[...]

I gave you a link to your total wacky non-sense about your little weird
ideas about money Rich and sin:

Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
_______________

You said that selling a shit%load of copies beyond the cost of labor
investment is a sin:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/comp.lang.c++/gtpwlZiPuog/wrmqN4GZEwAJ

Do you want more?

_______________

You did not like it, and said you did want to hear a curse word, because
you have nothing else to say. I say that is hilariously laughable. You
are having trouble remembering the trash you wrote, so you complain
about my language when I showed you a link to a quote. What a cop out! lol.

Weakling!

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> I gave you a link to your total wacky non-sense about your
> little weird ideas about money Rich and sin:

You do not have a proper understanding of what I wrote. It is
from within that improper understanding that you are concluding
"total wacky nonsense" and "little weird ideas."

Until you set your sights on the truth, you'll never get it, the
understanding will completely elude you because you're not
looking for it, but are pulling assumptions from your own ideas,
asserting them in your understanding as though they were mine.
Stop doing that and read and consider what I wrote.

Press in and examine subtlety and nuance in word and phrase
meaning. Seek the truth with a real effort and you will find it.
It's not hidden. It's just that sin blinds people to it. It's why you
must seek the truth, so that God Himself can make the change
so that the blindness is removed, and there is real vision.

The choice is all on you now: Truth or falseness. You Decide 2016.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 10/19/2016 7:54 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> I gave you a link to your total wacky non-sense about your
>> little weird ideas about money Rich and sin:
>
> You do not have a proper understanding of what I wrote. It is
> from within that improper understanding that you are concluding
> "total wacky nonsense" and "little weird ideas."

You wrote that we should not "sell beyond the cost of the labor
investment". This is totally bat_bleeping_ crazy to me.


Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
______________________
If you look back over these posts, at no point have I said don't sell
software. What I have said is don't sell beyond the cost of the labor
investment.

The love of money is the root of all evil. Money itself is not evil,
just like heroine itself is not evil. But having it in abundance in
continuous close proximity, Satan uses the temptation it provides to
entice people unto sin. How many are strong enough to continually
avoid the sinful side of the temptations associated with it? Not many.
And if it's not money that will take you down, there's something. The
flesh is weak, which is why we need to be born again of the spirit.

Satan is no slouch. He knows how to defeat you. He's studied you since
you were young, and he has in all people's case. It's why we need Jesus
Christ, so that we can overcome in Him because He can see the traps the
vicious enemy Satan places before us, and He can protect us from them.

http://biblehub.com/kjv/proverbs/30.htm

7 Two things have I required of thee; deny me them not before I die:
8 Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor
riches; feed me with food convenient for me:
9 Lest I be full, and deny thee, and say, Who is the LORD? or lest
I be poor, and steal, and take the name of my God in vain.

It is of God's wisdom that He keeps us in labor for our needs. It is
Satan's plan of foolishness that we have soft lives of non-want, for
there is his playground of enticing sin for us to traipse through at
our leisure.

______________________


[...]

[Öö Tiib]

On Thursday, 20 October 2016 07:02:57 UTC+3, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 10/19/2016 7:54 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >> I gave you a link to your total wacky non-sense about your
> >> little weird ideas about money Rich and sin:
> >
> > You do not have a proper understanding of what I wrote. It is
> > from within that improper understanding that you are concluding
> > "total wacky nonsense" and "little weird ideas."
>
> You wrote that we should not "sell beyond the cost of the labor
> investment". This is totally bat_bleeping_ crazy to me.

It is pointless to discuss with Rick. Somehow something or someone
has broken his capability to reason and turned him into such.

I told him in this thread that most Christians are good people. He
replied with two postings of garbage. Central view seemed to be that I
(as atheist) can not like Christians, I must hate Jesus and all
Christians. WTF? How I can hate Jesus? For me the guy is long dead if
he ever existed and did nothing bad. Also Christians have done nothing
bad to me so why should I hate them?

Even if some Christian has gone nuts like Rick then it is just pity.

[David Brown]

On 20/10/16 09:05, Öö Tiib wrote:
> On Thursday, 20 October 2016 07:02:57 UTC+3, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 10/19/2016 7:54 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>> I gave you a link to your total wacky non-sense about your
>>>> little weird ideas about money Rich and sin:
>>>
>>> You do not have a proper understanding of what I wrote. It is
>>> from within that improper understanding that you are concluding
>>> "total wacky nonsense" and "little weird ideas."
>>
>> You wrote that we should not "sell beyond the cost of the labor
>> investment". This is totally bat_bleeping_ crazy to me.
>
> It is pointless to discuss with Rick. Somehow something or someone
> has broken his capability to reason and turned him into such.
>
> I told him in this thread that most Christians are good people.

Point of order - most /people/ are basically good people. I have never
seen any correlation between "being good" and "being Christian", no
matter whose definition of "Christian" you use. Some of the most
unpleasant and anti-social people in these groups identify themselves as
Christian - but so do some of the most friendly and helpful.

[Öö Tiib]

That is likely correct, most people I have met are good people.
Rick did start discussion specifically about Christians ("Why are so
many Christians hypocrites?") that was why I addressed Christians
in separation.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

The message of the cross is divisive to our flesh. It is not something we
can understand naturally. "How can the blood of someone who died almost
2000 years ago affect me today? Let alone affect my eternity?"

When Christians teach this message:

(1) All people are sinners
(2) All people are dead spiritually because of sin
(3) All people need to be forgiven to enter in to eternal life
(4) Jesus is the only way to be forgiven of our sin

It is offensive to our flesh. People want to be in control. People do
not want to come to Jesus humbly, on bended knee, asking forgiveness for
what they must acknowledge /is/ their sin, that they /really are/ guilty
of sin.

It's why the Christian message is divisive.

Even if people don't rise up in anger or hatred and lash out at the person
speaking the words (which you have done in your replies, Öö Tiib), they
will not receive the message and will chalk it up to the ramblings of a
lunatic. It will never occur to them that perhaps the message is correct,
and there is a real need of humbling themselves so as to receive the
forgiveness being offered by Jesus Christ.

It makes it difficult for Christians in this world. We face ongoing forms
of persecution and hatred. I am relatively despised at my job. Very few
people talk to me, and when they do it is 99.9% only job related. I am a
valued member of the team because of my skill set, but there is not one
person I work with who I could truly consider a "friend" save those in the
company who are Christians and are part of our prayer group. Only they
can see the need for the walk we have in pursuit of His Holy Spirit, in
seeking holiness, in praying, reading the Bible, going to Bible Study,
attending church, reaching out to others, etc.

It's a literal binary division of people:

(1) Born again.
(2) Dead in sin.

And it is a literal message of hope for life, even eternal life:

Jesus is the only way to have our sin forgiven.
Jesus is the only hope we have.
Jesus is that which all of us have need of, lest we perish in Hell's
flames forever.

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Even many people who profess to be Christians with their mouths do not
accept those things with their beliefs, and therefore they are still part
of the worldly system, going along with the world to their own destruction.

http://biblehub.com/kjv/john/15.htm

The Hatred of the World

18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because
ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world,
therefore the world hateth you.
20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater
than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute
you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

It's one of the things which will mark a true Christian's life (ongoing
persecution). Without that ongoing persecution and separation from those
who are perishing in the world, it's an indication there never was a true
conversion.

21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake,
because they know not him that sent me.
22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but
now they have no cloke for their sin.

Here Jesus explains why things are done to us (Christians). It's because
they reject Him, and because we embrace Him they are hating us for the One
we are receiving, and teaching, and living.

23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did,
they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both
me and my Father.
25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is
written in their law, They hated me without a cause.

Jesus is that which everybody needs, to be forgiven of their sin, yet
people everywhere hate Him because of their sin. It has left them blind
to what He represents, and they cannot see it because they will not see
it. They grab hold of the lie, grab hold of the sin nature and press in
to it, rather than seeking the truth so that God could open their eyes
and allow them to come to Jesus and be saved.

God is the gatekeeper, and He keeps all people who will not receive His
Son and the forgiveness of their sin from coming to Him, otherwise they
too would be saved. He does this to separate the wheat from the chaff,
those who are good fruit from those who are bad fruit, for He knows their
beginning and their ending, their true inner heart, their deeds done in
secret, and the reasons why those deeds were done.

God does not leave Christians alone in their persecution, however. He
Himself has come to dwell within us so that even in the midst of fiery
storms of hatred, persecution, and even real physical attack, yet are
we warmed from within with the everlasting love, peace, and joy of God
Almighty, His Holy Spirit dwelling peacably within us.

26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from
the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the
Father, he shall testify of me:
27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from
the beginning.

Jesus is life. Literally. In Him is the restoration from the sentence
of death we're all under because of original sin, and the sin nature
which dominates our lives today.

Sin is the disease. Death is the result of sin. And Jesus is the cure
for the disease, raising us even from death, and restoring us to a perfect
righteousness of His original creation's perfection, so that we, through
Him, are without spot or blemish, perfect before God the Father, made
perfect by Him taking on our sin, and leaving us with His amazing and
perfect spotless righteousness.

It is not something any of us have achieved on our own. It is all God.
And the true Christian who has been born again will be so humbled by what
has happened to them, that they will weep over their sin, and desire to
no longer sin, and desire to share with everybody that which they have
found because it's more precious than gold, finer than greatest riches,
for it is life, and life eternal. They will no longer seek the ways of
the world, but will seek the ways of His Kingdom, to teach and live those
ways out, guiding others so they too can come to Him and not only be
saved, but to experience the fullest richness of our existence we've been
denied all of this time because of sin, to worship the Father in spirit
and in truth, to stand before God not just in our shameful sinful flesh,
but spiritually to go before the throne of grace and receive directly
from God His love, His guidance, His mercy.

There is no greater thing than what Jesus did for us at the cross. It's
why we stand as we do in this world, contrary to it, proclaiming alternate
ways from it. We seek to have each person follow after God, prospering in
eternity more than prospering here in this world, because everything we
receive in this world will perish when the world is destroyed. But those
things we have set up for ourselves in Heaven will endure.

It's why God teaches us not to pursue worldly wealth, because if we receive
our reward here, we do not receive anything in Heaven for that labor. But
if we do not receive our reward here, He repays us in Heaven for our labor,
and as with Moses and the burning bush which did not consume the bush for
fuel, so will those things we possess in Heaven exist with our usage and
yet without consumption. In Heaven, you can "have your cake and eat it
too."

It's why the enemy teaches the ways of this world, so that even those who
profess to be Christians will still pursue a path of "poverty" in Heaven,
minimizing their Heavenly reward, rather than maximizing it as God teaches.

-----
All anyone has to do is press in to the truth and pursue it and God will
then make it possible for you to know all of this. You can't come to God
with a lot of preconceived ideas, holding on to them, demanding of God
where He prove to you that you're wrong. You must come to Him saying this
is what you believe today, and that you might be wrong, and you want to
know the truth so you can dispense with the falseness in your life, for
when you do this you are known to God to be seeking the truth, and because
Jesus is truth, He will naturally lead you to His Son so that you can be
saved, because part of coming to the truth is a process that literally
makes you free (free from death by sin, free from the lies of the enemy,
free to live for God here upon this Earth, and free to have ongoing and
permanent fellowship with God's own Holy Spirit).

Learn of these things and He will verify them within your core. You will
come to know what you have been missing since the day you were born. He
will guide you into all truth, into all righteousness, into peace and
eternal prosperity, in service to Him and His Son here in this world, and
in the hereafter. No greater calling. Answer His call ... and Live.

[David Brown]

Fair enough.

Actually, looking back at one of Rick's posts, it seems he thinks that
if a Christian is a "decent and nice" person, then he/she is not a
/real/ Rick-style Christian!

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 9:50:11 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
> Actually, looking back at one of Rick's posts, it seems he thinks that
> if a Christian is a "decent and nice" person, then he/she is not a
> /real/ Rick-style Christian!

All born again Christians will be decent and nice people. Loving, giving
of their own property and bosom, but the message they carry will be that
which is offensive. They will constantly teach the path of God, unto
holiness and righteousness, the path of salvation, of repenting of sin,
of asking forgiveness.

The person walking in this world in darkness, not interested in pursuing
the light which is the life of Jesus Christ, will be offended by them.

Why is this teaching not clear to you, David? And to the others here?

[David Brown]

On 20/10/16 15:53, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 9:50:11 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
>> Actually, looking back at one of Rick's posts, it seems he thinks that
>> if a Christian is a "decent and nice" person, then he/she is not a
>> /real/ Rick-style Christian!
>
> All born again Christians will be decent and nice people.

I have known some "born again" Christians who are decent and nice, and
some who are not. There is perhaps a slight correlation - most serious
Christians try to be nice much of the time. But then, so do most "born
once" Christians and most non-Christians.


But to be brutally frank, /you/ are not a decent and nice person. You
are an extraordinarily selfish and egoistic narcissist, and are totally
blind to other people's thoughts, feelings or interests, and make no
attempt to understand what others think. You believe your
self-inflicted martyrdom means the harder you try to make people hate
you, the better your god will love you. You chase people /away/ from
God, Jesus and the Bible every time you make a new religious post in
these groups. If you are right about God and life after death, then you
have been working hard to damn our immortal souls - and if you are
wrong, then you have been working hard to spread misery in this life.

I know you /believe/ that you are doing the best you can for the good of
everyone - but you are desperately confused and misguided, and do far
more harm than good with your religion.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 10:27:10 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
> [snip]

I have prayed for you, David. And will continue to do so as the Lord brings
you back to my remembrance.

[David Brown]

On 20/10/16 16:37, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 10:27:10 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
>> [snip]
>
> I have prayed for you, David. And will continue to do so as the Lord brings
> you back to my remembrance.
>

And that is a fine example of how far you are from "nice and decent".
You believe that you are doing something good by writing this - in fact
you are merely demonstrating again that you have lost all ability to
understand people or their thoughts and wishes, as well as all your
sense of self-awareness, and your ability to reason.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

There is information I have that you do not. You are unwilling to receive
it so you remain unaware of it. The information contained within the
gospel message is paramount to your life, but you will not accept that. I
am able to pray for you so that you will come to know these things, because
it is what you need.

You do not see it today. But at some point in the future you will. And
when I pray for you, my prayer is that you see it on this side of death,
so that you can come to Jesus Christ and ask forgiveness of your sin and
be saved. If not, then you will only come to know these things I have
been trying to teach you (and others in your life have tried to teach
you) too late. You will only then know after death, and at that point
the revelation will come with an almost immediate judgment thereafter,
such that you will be aware of the reality of eternity, but before you
will have time to consider it thoroughly, you will be overcome by the
flames of Hell.

It is that end I am trying to prevent you from, David. And at some point
in your future you will come to realize what it was I've been doing, and
why. And then you will know that I am not operating incorrectly in this
world, just that the rigors of sin's hold on you through spiritual death,
and your rigorous hold on to sin instead of truth, made you think that.

I will continue to pray for you as I am led. And I pray for everyone in
these groups I post to, and many others by name as they also are brought

[David Brown]

On 20/10/16 16:52, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 10:44:48 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
>> On 20/10/16 16:37, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 10:27:10 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
>>>> [snip]
>>>
>>> I have prayed for you, David. And will continue to do so as the Lord brings
>>> you back to my remembrance.
>>
>> And that is a fine example of how far you are from "nice and decent".
>> You believe that you are doing something good by writing this - in fact
>> you are merely demonstrating again that you have lost all ability to
>> understand people or their thoughts and wishes, as well as all your
>> sense of self-awareness, and your ability to reason.
>
> There is information I have that you do not.

No, there is no such information. You have sent vast numbers of posts
to these groups - we know what you think and belief. And while I have
not read all of the Bible, and haven't read much in a long time, I have
read enough to understand what you are getting at. /Nothing/ of what
you have been writing is new - the key difference in the way you write
is the venom you use against everyone who does not share exactly /your/
personal interpretation of the Bible and Christianity, and the emphasis
you place on sin and damnation, compared to Jesus' message of "love thy
neighbour".

> You are unwilling to receive
> it so you remain unaware of it.

You believe that people will understand "God's message" when they are
ready, when God "opens their hearts to the message". Fair enough, I
suppose. But why then do you think it helps anyone to repeatedly bash
them with your version of the "message"?

> The information contained within the
> gospel message is paramount to your life, but you will not accept that. I
> am able to pray for you so that you will come to know these things, because
> it is what you need.

Can you not see how bizarre, twisted, unfair, megalomaniac, and
downright moronic that sounds? /I/ am going to be damned to hell unless
/you/ persuade the almighty creator of the universe to force me to
listen to /your/ preaching?

>
> I will continue to pray for you as I am led. And I pray for everyone in
> these groups I post to, and many others by name as they also are brought
> to my remembrance.
>

Please do not do so. I am not interested in your sort of religion. The
very fact that you feel you have a right to pray for me against my
wishes, and intercede with God on my behalf, shows that you are not
qualified to do so.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 11:10:40 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
> On 20/10/16 16:52, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > There is information I have that you do not.
>
> No, there is no such information.

It is the blindness caused by sin, and the spiritual death through sin,
that prevents people from seeing it. It cannot be seen by the flesh,
but only when people set their sights on the truth, and pursue it with
rigor, does God reach into your existence supernaturally and make the
inner change necessary to be able to see it.

Don't take my word for it:

Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,
that saved a wretch like me.

I once was lost, but now am found.
Was blind, but now I see.

"Was blind, but now I see," David. Those words weren't written by accident.

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You will perish in your sin unless you seek the truth and ask forgiveness
of your sin from Jesus Christ. That's the end I'm trying to keep you from
by all of these teachings, which are really one teaching in multiple forms
for your sake.