[Jesus Loves You] Confirmation system

[Rick C. Hodgin]

I will be installing a confirmation system today that I will post through
in moving forward. It will be a link to my personal website (http://www.libsf.org)
which will hold an exact copy of the posted content I write on Usenet.

Anyone clicking the link can verify the content came from me by seeing some
confirmation information, and an exact copy of my post's content, and nobody
will be able to add content that appears to be from me with a valid link.

It will separate the true-Rick posts from the false ones. I will actually
begin writing my posts there, have it generate the format for me, and copy-
and-paste its generated content.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

This will not stop my parody posts which will continue if you continue
to spam.

/Flibble

--
"Suppose it’s all true, and you walk up to the pearly gates, and are
confronted by God," Bryne asked on his show The Meaning of Life. "What
will Stephen Fry say to him, her, or it?"
"I’d say, bone cancer in children? What’s that about?" Fry replied.
"How dare you? How dare you create a world to which there is such misery
that is not our fault. It’s not right, it’s utterly, utterly evil."
"Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates
a world that is so full of injustice and pain. That’s what I would say."

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 6:33:03 AM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 14/04/2018 11:30, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > I will be installing a confirmation system today that I will post through
> > in moving forward. It will be a link to my personal website (http://www.libsf.org)
> > which will hold an exact copy of the posted content I write on Usenet.
> >
> > Anyone clicking the link can verify the content came from me by seeing some
> > confirmation information, and an exact copy of my post's content, and nobody
> > will be able to add content that appears to be from me with a valid link.
> >
> > It will separate the true-Rick posts from the false ones. I will actually
> > begin writing my posts there, have it generate the format for me, and copy-
> > and-paste its generated content.
>
> This will not stop my parody posts which will continue if you continue
> to spam.

It will render them wholly identifiable, and therefore render them
obvious and of no significance.

Waste away your time parodying me, Leigh. Your parodies will have
their teeth removed.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

Nope it will be quite easy to replicate your new format and as most
people will not be bothered to check if the post is genuine using your
website the parody's effectiveness will not be diminished.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 6:52:34 AM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 14/04/2018 11:45, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 6:33:03 AM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> >> This will not stop my parody posts which will continue if you continue
> >> to spam.
> >
> > It will render them wholly identifiable, and therefore render them
> > obvious and of no significance.
> >
> > Waste away your time parodying me, Leigh. Your parodies will have
> > their teeth removed.
>
> Nope it will be quite easy to replicate your new format and as most
> people will not be bothered to check if the post is genuine using your
> website the parody's effectiveness will not be diminished.

You play to people's weaknesses and complacency, Leigh. You prey
on their shortcomings to advance your hate.

There is another way, Leigh. It is the way Jesus Christ teaches,
and it is the way of loving one another and helping one another
rather than trying to demean and trick and trap and fool and deceive
people.

I am sad for you and the hate blanket you wrap yourself in. It is
a choke hazard and will kill you in the end.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

On 14/04/2018 12:19, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 6:52:34 AM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> On 14/04/2018 11:45, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 6:33:03 AM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
>>>> This will not stop my parody posts which will continue if you continue
>>>> to spam.
>>>
>>> It will render them wholly identifiable, and therefore render them
>>> obvious and of no significance.
>>>
>>> Waste away your time parodying me, Leigh. Your parodies will have
>>> their teeth removed.
>>
>> Nope it will be quite easy to replicate your new format and as most
>> people will not be bothered to check if the post is genuine using your
>> website the parody's effectiveness will not be diminished.
>
> You play to people's weaknesses and complacency, Leigh. You prey
> on their shortcomings to advance your hate.

As I have said already I do not hate your god because I know your god
doesn't exist. I do hate off-topic proselytization (religious spam) in a
technical newsgroup though.

>
> There is another way, Leigh. It is the way Jesus Christ teaches,
> and it is the way of loving one another and helping one another
> rather than trying to demean and trick and trap and fool and deceive
> people.

I know Jesus Christ never existed: evolution and speed of light in a
vacuum mate.

>
> I am sad for you and the hate blanket you wrap yourself in. It is
> a choke hazard and will kill you in the end.

I am not the only one who finds your religious spam irritating.

[David Brown]

On 14/04/18 13:23, Mr Flibble wrote:

> I am not the only one who finds your religious spam irritating.
>

That is definitely true. However, I think you /are/ the only one who
thinks making impersonation posts helps in any way. Your fake posts
might annoy Rick, but they annoy a lot more people - and I for one think
your fake religious posts are worse than Rick's real religious ones.

That "Peter Cheung" character makes fake "Rick" posts because he hates
Rick and doesn't care about the rest of the group. But you /do/ care
about this group and on-topic discussions here - it makes no sense at
all to make the fake posts. You know fine it will not stop Rick posting
whatever he pleases. Demonstrate your rational thinking and give up on
the lost cause.

[Öö Tiib]

On Saturday, 14 April 2018 15:00:19 UTC+3, David Brown wrote:
> On 14/04/18 13:23, Mr Flibble wrote:
>
> > I am not the only one who finds your religious spam irritating.
> >
>
> That is definitely true. However, I think you /are/ the only one who
> thinks making impersonation posts helps in any way. Your fake posts
> might annoy Rick, but they annoy a lot more people - and I for one think
> your fake religious posts are worse than Rick's real religious ones.

Rick C. Hodgin's proselyting posts are never neiher informative nor
entertaining so only thing worse can be something designed to insult
everybody. Sometimes Mr Flibble's parody posts are hilarious but not
that lot and I think these do not insult everybody. Low humor value
is understandable since he is not professional comedian.

> That "Peter Cheung" character makes fake "Rick" posts because he hates
> Rick and doesn't care about the rest of the group. But you /do/ care
> about this group and on-topic discussions here - it makes no sense at
> all to make the fake posts. You know fine it will not stop Rick posting
> whatever he pleases. Demonstrate your rational thinking and give up on
> the lost cause.

Same way nothing can stop Leigh from posting what he pleases.
AFAIK Rick has already destroyed some groups with his noise and tries
to do it with every group where he participates. Likely that "Peter
Cheung" is from one of those groups.

If we want to give up then rational would to go to somewhere else
with better filters in place. For example those 3 forums I've
sometimes read: http://www.cplusplus.com/forum/
http://dreamincode.net/ or http://forums.codeguru.com/.
Wasn't too bad. So we can give up and leave comp.lang.c++
as place for Rick and his fans.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 9:57:07 AM UTC-4, Öö Tiib wrote:
> Same way nothing can stop Leigh from posting what he pleases.
> AFAIK Rick has already destroyed some groups with his noise and tries
> to do it with every group where he participates. Likely that "Peter
> Cheung" is from one of those groups.

Peter came from alt.os.development.

My cadence in posting averages less than a handful of posts per
month. There are times I may post five or thereabouts original
posts per month, but there are other times I post fewer.

The large number of posts you see are either impersonation posts,
or they are me replying to people who make statements which are
incorrect. I reply to add the Biblical correction to them.

My goal is to have your eternal soul saved in eternity, because
right now it is under judgment if you are not under the blood of
Christ:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+3%3A18&version=KJV

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth
not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name
of the only begotten Son of God.

Everybody knows John 3:16. But who would read John 3:16-21?

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+3%3A16-21&version=KJV

Those verses testify of dark deeds done apart from Christ, and the very
reasons why people shun Christ and all who profess Christ:

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world;
but that the world through him might be saved.

Everybody loves verses 16-17. It shows God saving everybody. But you
cannot take the Bible in pieces. It is a comprehensive whole that re-
quires much study to understand correctly, to see why God has said and
done the things He has done, and will do the things He will do:

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth
not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name
of the only begotten Son of God.
==> 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world,
and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds
were evil.
==> 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to
the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be
made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

God is the light of truth shone onto every situation, every act, every
deed. He is the great illuminator that brings all into its proper con-
text.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[David Brown]

On 14/04/18 15:56, Öö Tiib wrote:
> On Saturday, 14 April 2018 15:00:19 UTC+3, David Brown wrote:
>> On 14/04/18 13:23, Mr Flibble wrote:
>>
>>> I am not the only one who finds your religious spam irritating.
>>>
>>
>> That is definitely true. However, I think you /are/ the only one who
>> thinks making impersonation posts helps in any way. Your fake posts
>> might annoy Rick, but they annoy a lot more people - and I for one think
>> your fake religious posts are worse than Rick's real religious ones.
>
> Rick C. Hodgin's proselyting posts are never neiher informative nor
> entertaining so only thing worse can be something designed to insult
> everybody. Sometimes Mr Flibble's parody posts are hilarious but not
> that lot and I think these do not insult everybody. Low humor value
> is understandable since he is not professional comedian.

Mr. Flibble does sometimes post something funny ("hilarious" is a bit
strong - we are programmers, not comedians in this group, and
coffee-on-keyboard posts are rare). Making a parody post - yes, /once/
was somewhat amusing. But by the third post, it was tedious for even
the slowest witted reader. No one can possibly view Mr. Flibble's
impersonations as witty, humorous or decent parody.

>
>> That "Peter Cheung" character makes fake "Rick" posts because he hates
>> Rick and doesn't care about the rest of the group. But you /do/ care
>> about this group and on-topic discussions here - it makes no sense at
>> all to make the fake posts. You know fine it will not stop Rick posting
>> whatever he pleases. Demonstrate your rational thinking and give up on
>> the lost cause.
>
> Same way nothing can stop Leigh from posting what he pleases.

Yes - but Leigh listens to reason, and will consider the pros and cons.
He may well decide to keep posting his so-called "parodies", but at
least I can have some hope that he will think through what he is doing.

> AFAIK Rick has already destroyed some groups with his noise and tries
> to do it with every group where he participates. Likely that "Peter
> Cheung" is from one of those groups.
>
> If we want to give up then rational would to go to somewhere else
> with better filters in place. For example those 3 forums I've
> sometimes read: http://www.cplusplus.com/forum/
> http://dreamincode.net/ or http://forums.codeguru.com/.
> Wasn't too bad. So we can give up and leave comp.lang.c++
> as place for Rick and his fans.
>

I am no fan of Rick's proselyting. Like many people (including Mr.
Flibble) I think it can /occasionally/ be interesting with a wildly
off-topic thread in a newsgroup like this - I see it as "chatter round
the coffee machine". Such threads should be rare, and kept within a
thread so that people not interested can easily mark them as "ignored".
I also think that on-topic posts can be answered and discussed no matter
who makes them - I realise that is somewhat controversial.

But what destroys newsgroups is usually not someone making irritating
off-topic posts (spam, religious posts, abusive posts, whatever). It is
more commonly caused by people pointlessly trying to stop the posts,
adding to the noise and scaling up the quantity of drivel posts.

[Daniel]

On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 10:08:24 AM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> My goal is to have your eternal soul saved in eternity

You say that, but your posts have the effect of spamming usenet. Usually
when there is a discrepancy between an announced objective and an actual
effect, such as a government program that has an announced objective of
expanding infrastructure but has the actual effect of giving money to rich
people, it's a safe bet to assume that the real objective is in fact the
effect. Therefore I assume that your real objective is to spam usenet.

It's not nice to spam usenet, it's discouteous, and an affront to others. Do
we have to teach you about courtesy? I don't think we have to teach you
about courtesy. Your mother should have taught you about courtesy.

Daniel

[Rick C. Hodgin]

My mother taught me about courtesy. She was very loving, kind and
considerate, compassionate. She was a role model to be sure.

When I matured and sought the truth, Jesus taught me beyond her
initial teaching. He taught me the difference between false things
and true things, between apparent authority and real authority.

Have you ever read the book of Acts when Peter and John were both
being harassed by the ruling bodies, being beaten, and being told
not to preach the gospel or to teach about Jesus Christ?

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+4%3A18-19&version=KJV

18 And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all
nor teach in the name of Jesus.
19 But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be
right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto
God, judge ye.

You deny God, and you usurp authority that's not yours. Jesus has
risen from the dead, and all power and authority has been given Him.
And He has commanded those who are His to go forth and teach people
these things about sin, salvation, because He wants every person on
the Earth to be told about the gospel.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+28%3A18-20&version=KJV

==> 18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given
unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded
you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the
world. Amen.

In fact, it's a requirement that every person world-wide be taught
about the gospel BEFORE the end will come:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+24%3A14&version=KJV

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the
world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end
come.

It's no wonder Satan wants to stop the message from going forth! When
we saints are obedient and go forth and reach every creature, then the
end comes!

By your own witness, Daniel, and the teachings of Jesus Christ, who
are you serving with your life? Truth (Jesus) or falseness (Satan)?
Judge for yourself which one you are serving.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Chris Vine]

On Sat, 14 Apr 2018 14:00:07 +0200
David Brown <david...@hesbynett.no> wrote:
> On 14/04/18 13:23, Mr Flibble wrote:
> > I am not the only one who finds your religious spam irritating.
>
> That is definitely true. However, I think you /are/ the only one who
> thinks making impersonation posts helps in any way. Your fake posts
> might annoy Rick, but they annoy a lot more people - and I for one think
> your fake religious posts are worse than Rick's real religious ones.

Since you reply to some of Rick's postings, I don't think you have the
right to criticize Flibble. I find some of Flibble's posts amusing.
Not all, but considerably more amusing than Rick's posts.

Rick seems to have formed a very odd amalgamation in his mind of
unusual religious views (odd even by US standards) and programming, such
that the two seem intertwined for him. Criticize his CAlive project
and you are criticizing his view of Christianity. If no one were to
respond to any of his posts (including his on topic ones) there is a
decent chance he would go away. But people, including you, do respond.

If you are going to continue to do so, which is your right, please then
refrain from asking Flibble to modify his approach.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

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http://www.libsf.org/life_call.html http://tinyurl.com/jesus-heart-you
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
**** SAMPLE MESSAGE ONLY ****

Here is the new format I will use. It has these markings and markups.

Message content would go here like normal. PGP public key and validation
URLs are below.

The tinyurl link above goes to 1 John 4:7-9 on Bible Gateway.

Normal message text will proceed for however many lines the message is. I
have limited the right margin to 74 characters.

"Validation Signatures" block at the end are used to authenticate. The
only valid links will be to libsf.org servers. If there's another URL,
it will not be valid.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Empty are the
-- ---+--- cross and grave!
Rick C. Hodgin | What remains now?
http://www.libsf.org/pgp_public_keys.html | His call for you
| and your life!
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To verify message authenticity and author click this link:
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[Kenny McCormack]

In article <20180414182926.74b44f2631f59f3e47e6d3cf@cvine--nospam--.freeserve.co.uk>,

Chris Vine <chris@cvine--nospam--.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>On Sat, 14 Apr 2018 14:00:07 +0200
>David Brown <david...@hesbynett.no> wrote:
>> On 14/04/18 13:23, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> > I am not the only one who finds your religious spam irritating.
>>
>> That is definitely true. However, I think you /are/ the only one who
>> thinks making impersonation posts helps in any way. Your fake posts
>> might annoy Rick, but they annoy a lot more people - and I for one think
>> your fake religious posts are worse than Rick's real religious ones.
>
>Since you reply to some of Rick's postings, I don't think you have the
>right to criticize Flibble. I find some of Flibble's posts amusing.
>Not all, but considerably more amusing than Rick's posts.

Yes. And, of course, certainly more amusing/entertaining than any of
"David Brown"'s posts.

--
"You can safely assume that you have created God in your own image when
it turns out that God hates all the same people you do." -- Anne Lamott

[Daniel]

On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 12:37:20 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> My mother taught me about courtesy.

Then she must have taught you that it is discourteous to venture into a
place that is not yours, and be disrespectful to the inhabitants of that
place, and break the rules of that place, time and time again.

You say that you teach, but you don't teach, you proselytize. And there's
nothing new in your proselytizing, the words that come forth from your posts
are no different from the words of any uneducated street preacher, there's
no nuance, no mystery, no intellect, no profoundness, no scholarship. If you
wrote your words down and sent them for publication, not a journal anywhere,
Christian or otherwise, would accept them.

And yet, you spam usenet, you are discourteous to others on usenet, and you
break the laws of usenet. It appears that you like to spam usenet.

Daniel

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 5:22:19 PM UTC-4, Daniel wrote:
> On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 12:37:20 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> >
> > My mother taught me about courtesy.
>
> Then she must have taught you that it is discourteous to venture into a
> place that is not yours, and be disrespectful to the inhabitants of that
> place, and break the rules of that place, time and time again.

She taught me to be courteous to people. She also taught me to under-
stand a hierarchy. If I work for Bob, and Bob's boss is Sandra, and
Sandra reports to the owner Frank, and Bob tells me to do X, and Sandra
tells me to do Y and the owner Frank tells me to do Z, I'm going to be
doing Z.

The only reason you do don't think I teach is because you won't listen.
The teachings are going forth.

To make it simple for you:

(1) You have sin.
(2) Sin will send you to eternal Hellfire.
(3) Jesus came into this Earth to make a way out of that end,
to save us from judgment and restore us to that which He
intended before sin entered in and destroyed everything.
(4) Jesus will forgive you if you ask Him to.

The world doesn't teach people that. The world teaches for you to be
nice and loving and kind and respectful to people, and get along, and
don't rock the boat, and you'll be fine.

Jesus said all who come to Him will be saved, THE REST will perish in
the flames of eternal Hellfire.

Given that, and using your reasoning mind, which is more important?
For me to listen to the people of this world who are perishing who
tell me to be quiet? Or to listen to the One who has authority to
send your eternal soul to Hellfire?

I choose to listen to the One with real authority, the One who is
over Frank even.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Chris M. Thomasson]

Using MAC with a good hash should work fine.

Heck, why not encrypt the whole message so we cannot read them? Since
you use MAC, well why not HMAC? Why not an abstraction over HMAC like my
cipher:

http://funwithfractals.atspace.cc/ct_cipher

;^)

[Chris M. Thomasson]

A simple HMAC version of your scheme would be something like:
_______________________
1. Rick creates a secret key SK, that nobody else knows about;

2. creates a plaintext P;

3. creates an HMAC H using SK and P;

4. concatenate H onto P;

5. Sends P;
_______________________

Make sure that SK is a crypto secure key.

Make sure that the hash used in HMAC is a crypto secure hash.

Now, the HMAC H sent in P is based on your personal secret key. Do not
show this key to anybody! Then, nobody can impersonate you. If they did,
the HMAC would not validate with your personal servers. Btw, keep those
servers secure damn it! :^)

[David Brown]

On 14/04/18 19:29, Chris Vine wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Apr 2018 14:00:07 +0200
> David Brown <david...@hesbynett.no> wrote:
>> On 14/04/18 13:23, Mr Flibble wrote:
>>> I am not the only one who finds your religious spam irritating.
>>
>> That is definitely true. However, I think you /are/ the only one who
>> thinks making impersonation posts helps in any way. Your fake posts
>> might annoy Rick, but they annoy a lot more people - and I for one think
>> your fake religious posts are worse than Rick's real religious ones.
>
> Since you reply to some of Rick's postings, I don't think you have the
> right to criticize Flibble.

Of course I have that right. I've given my opinion - Mr. Flibble can
choose how much weight he gives it. (Note that Mr. Flibble also engages
with Rick.)

> I find some of Flibble's posts amusing.
> Not all, but considerably more amusing than Rick's posts.

I find it hard to comprehend that anyone would find many his "parody"
posts amusing, but okay. (Some of his posts /are/ witty - but they
would be better in his own name. And they might not provoke the same
response from Rick.)

>
> Rick seems to have formed a very odd amalgamation in his mind of
> unusual religious views (odd even by US standards) and programming, such
> that the two seem intertwined for him. Criticize his CAlive project
> and you are criticizing his view of Christianity. If no one were to
> respond to any of his posts (including his on topic ones) there is a
> decent chance he would go away. But people, including you, do respond.

I fully agree that Rick has an odd religious attitude. I don't agree
that ignoring him entirely will make him go away - experience shows
otherwise. I have no idea what /would/ stop him making his religious
posts (or at least cutting them down dramatically) - but ignoring him
does not work. Perhaps answering his on-topic posts and not his
off-topic ones would help, or at least be no worse. However, one thing
that is /guaranteed/ to provoke more religious posts is posting fake
messages in his name. My attitude may not help, but I am far from
convinced that your attitude is much more successful (if I were, I'd
follow it). I have no doubts, however, that Mr. Flibble's is worse.

>
> If you are going to continue to do so, which is your right, please then
> refrain from asking Flibble to modify his approach.
>

I have no intention of going on about it. I am sure Mr. Flibble has
read my post - once is enough. If others agree with me and say so, that
may influence him - if others disagree with me, then fair enough.

Enough said, I hope. Unless anyone has a decent joke to add!

[Daniel]

On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 5:49:36 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> To make it simple for you:
>
> (1) You have sin.
> (2) Sin will send you to eternal Hellfire.
> (3) Jesus came into this Earth to make a way out of that end,
> to save us from judgment and restore us to that which He
> intended before sin entered in and destroyed everything.
> (4) Jesus will forgive you if you ask Him to.
>

Precisely my point, these are the words that come forth from any uneducated
street preacher, anywhere. They have no nuance, no mystery, no intellect, no
profoundness, no scholarship.

> I choose to listen to the One with real authority, the One who is
> over Frank even.
>

You may tell yourself that, but only because you can't face the alternative,
that you have come to like spamming usenet, and no longer have free will to
stop. If you try to stop spamming, you find that you can't. It's become a
drug that you can't stop taking. Even so, you should try.

Be well,
Daniel

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 6:20:15 PM UTC-4, Daniel wrote:
> On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 5:49:36 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> >
> > To make it simple for you:
> >
> > (1) You have sin.
> > (2) Sin will send you to eternal Hellfire.
> > (3) Jesus came into this Earth to make a way out of that end,
> > to save us from judgment and restore us to that which He
> > intended before sin entered in and destroyed everything.
> > (4) Jesus will forgive you if you ask Him to.
> >
>
> Precisely my point, these are the words that come forth from any uneducated
> street preacher, anywhere. They have no nuance, no mystery, no intellect, no
> profoundness, no scholarship.

You haven't gotten the first part. If you did, you would then say,
"Okay. What do I do now?" And then the conversation would go further.

You say "any uneducated street preacher anywhere." It's how all of
the reaching out to people begins. It goes from there into much deeper
conversations as the individual has ability, but it must start with the
first recognition of sin, their need to ask forgiveness and repent. If
that part never comes, the rest of it is just head knowledge and useless.

> > I choose to listen to the One with real authority, the One who is
> > over Frank even.
>
> You may tell yourself that, but only because you can't face the alternative,
> that you have come to like spamming usenet, and no longer have free will to
> stop. If you try to stop spamming, you find that you can't. It's become a
> drug that you can't stop taking. Even so, you should try.

If Jesus tells us to go into the world and teach, I will do that. In
the example the hierarchy was:

(1) Rick -- Employee
(2) Bob -- Rick's boss
(3) Sandra -- Bob's boss
(4) Frank -- Owner
(5) Jesus -- Ruler of the universe

When (5) tells me to do something, and (2) thru (4) tell me to do some-
thing else, or to not do what (5) tells me ... (2) thru (4) will be dis-
appointed.

Daniel, this information is given for people who will be saved. If you
cannot hear His call in these messages, it's because you are not being
saved.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Daniel]

On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 6:45:53 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 6:20:15 PM UTC-4, Daniel wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 5:49:36 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > >
> > > To make it simple for you:
> > >
> > > (1) You have sin.
>

> You haven't gotten the first part. If you did, you would then say,
> "Okay. What do I do now?"

So, if someone told you that in order to be saved, you need to have
Thargos (*) in your heart, would you say "Okay. What do I do now?" Do you see the problem? That assigning truth value to one and only one of the many ancient deities, fortuitously the one that your family identified with, has some difficulties?

But I digress. I think you like spamming usenet, I think you like it very,
very much. I think it's become a drug to you. If you doubt that, try an
experiment, try to stop spamming usenet for a month, and see if you
experience withdrawal symptoms.

(*) https://www.oglaf.com/cure-light-wounds/

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 7:09:35 PM UTC-4, Daniel wrote:
> On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 6:45:53 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 6:20:15 PM UTC-4, Daniel wrote:
> > > On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 5:49:36 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > To make it simple for you:
> > > >
> > > > (1) You have sin.
> >
> > You haven't gotten the first part. If you did, you would then say,
> > "Okay. What do I do now?"
>
> So, if someone told you that in order to be saved, you need to have
> Thargos (*) in your heart, would you say "Okay. What do I do now?"
> Do you see the problem? That assigning truth value to one and only
> one of the many ancient deities, fortuitously the one that your
> family identified with, has some difficulties?

Nobody can be drawn to my teaching by the merits of my teaching. You
point out the very flesh-based reasoning "flaw" in the system. The
flesh only knows what it knows, so how is "one deity" different than
another?

The Bible explains the difference:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+6%3A44&version=KJV

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me
draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

==> Daniel, this information is given for people who will be saved.
==> If you cannot hear His call in these messages, it's because you
==> are not being saved.

Jesus divides people world-wide. Only those who are being saved will
EVER, EVER, EVER come to Him and ask forgiveness. The rest will perish
in their sin and be cast into eternal Hellfire.

As I say, this information is given for those who will be saved. It
is not given for other people.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Öö Tiib]

On Sunday, 15 April 2018 01:18:19 UTC+3, David Brown wrote:
> On 14/04/18 19:29, Chris Vine wrote:
> > I find some of Flibble's posts amusing.
> > Not all, but considerably more amusing than Rick's posts.
>
> I find it hard to comprehend that anyone would find many his "parody"
> posts amusing, but okay. (Some of his posts /are/ witty - but they
> would be better in his own name. And they might not provoke the same
> response from Rick.)

See, we with Chris Vine have now said that we found (purely matter of
taste) some Flibble's posts amusing. You disagree but lets agree that
we disagree here? We can't argue either way? It just ... was so. You
were purely annoyed but we got a chuckle. No one did any crimes.
Period.

> Enough said, I hope. Unless anyone has a decent joke to add!

An int, a char and a string walk into a bar and order some drinks. A
short while later, the int and char start hitting on the waitress who
gets very uncomfortable and walks away. The string walks up to the
waitress and says "You'll have to forgive them, they're primitive types."

[David Brown]

On 15/04/18 01:16, Öö Tiib wrote:
> On Sunday, 15 April 2018 01:18:19 UTC+3, David Brown wrote:
>> On 14/04/18 19:29, Chris Vine wrote:
>>> I find some of Flibble's posts amusing.
>>> Not all, but considerably more amusing than Rick's posts.
>>
>> I find it hard to comprehend that anyone would find many his "parody"
>> posts amusing, but okay. (Some of his posts /are/ witty - but they
>> would be better in his own name. And they might not provoke the same
>> response from Rick.)
>
> See, we with Chris Vine have now said that we found (purely matter of
> taste) some Flibble's posts amusing. You disagree but lets agree that
> we disagree here? We can't argue either way? It just ... was so. You
> were purely annoyed but we got a chuckle. No one did any crimes.
> Period.

Fair enough.

>
>> Enough said, I hope. Unless anyone has a decent joke to add!
>
> An int, a char and a string walk into a bar and order some drinks. A
> short while later, the int and char start hitting on the waitress who
> gets very uncomfortable and walks away. The string walks up to the
> waitress and says "You'll have to forgive them, they're primitive types."
>

:-)

My stock of computing (and especially C++) jokes is very thin. I have
to settle for some science ones.


An electron is speeding down the motorway, when it gets pulled over by a
policeman. "Did you know you were going at 99% of the speed of light?"
asks the policeman. "Damn, now I'm lost", says the electron.


An atom goes into a bar, and complains "I've lost an electron". "Are
you sure?" asks the barman. "Yes, I'm positive" says the atom.

[David Brown]

Or just use GPG to sign the message - it's the standard, and it's simple.

[Öö Tiib]

That is certainly progress! Now it looks lot more like what it is.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 04/14/2018 07:30 PM, David Brown wrote:
> Or just use GPG to sign the message - it's the standard, and it's
> simple.

GPG is a standard format easily duplicated with lookalikes. People
would be able to create messages that look authentic when mimicking
my account. In order to now mimic my account they will have to in-
clude a lot of notable Christian content, and they'll have to have
it going to my website. If those parts are missing, it will be an
obvious forgery to anybody even casually looking at the message.

I am using GPG behind the scenes for encapsulation of the message,
but it's not displayed in the posted message, and the GPG signature
actually requires the content that is posted to be included.

Clicking the link at the bottom of these new messages will take you
to a page which has the GPG version, which can be independently
validated as authentic using my public key. It also will include a
C++ source file which lets you compile the program, pass messages
in or out, and validate their content.

Bottom line:

To simulate or emulate this new system, a person will have to do a
lot of web programming and setup, setup a URL that's similar enough
to fool people, and include a lot of information which positively
uplifts Jesus Christ, in order to mock me with any degree of non-
obvious forgery success.

If someone goes to such lengths, so much more the reward for me in
Heaven (Matthew 5:11-12).

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[David Brown]

On 15/04/18 01:55, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On 04/14/2018 07:30 PM, David Brown wrote:
>> Or just use GPG to sign the message - it's the standard, and it's
>> simple.
>
> GPG is a standard format easily duplicated with lookalikes. People
> would be able to create messages that look authentic when mimicking
> my account. In order to now mimic my account they will have to in-
> clude a lot of notable Christian content, and they'll have to have
> it going to my website. If those parts are missing, it will be an
> obvious forgery to anybody even casually looking at the message.

Your suggested format is also easily forged - impersonators can copy
your content and your links. Let's be realistic here - the number of
people who will follow your links to verify your posts can be counted on
your fingers with both hands behind your back. It is not hard to make a
post that /looks/ like it has a GPG signature - but if the person
reading it has a newsreader that supports GPG, the newsreader will
automatically show if the signature is valid.

If you really think your additional signing and linking is relevant and
will be checked by people (my opinion here doesn't matter - this is just
technical advice) then add a standard GPG signature afterwards. That
should give you the best of both worlds in a way that will be most
likely to be checked by users.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Sunday, April 15, 2018 at 6:29:25 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
> On 15/04/18 01:55, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On 04/14/2018 07:30 PM, David Brown wrote:
> >> Or just use GPG to sign the message - it's the standard, and it's
> >> simple.
> >
> > GPG is a standard format easily duplicated with lookalikes. People
> > would be able to create messages that look authentic when mimicking
> > my account. In order to now mimic my account they will have to in-
> > clude a lot of notable Christian content, and they'll have to have
> > it going to my website. If those parts are missing, it will be an
> > obvious forgery to anybody even casually looking at the message.
>
> Your suggested format is also easily forged - impersonators can copy
> your content and your links. Let's be realistic here - the number of
> people who will follow your links to verify your posts can be counted on
> your fingers with both hands behind your back. It is not hard to make a
> post that /looks/ like it has a GPG signature - but if the person
> reading it has a newsreader that supports GPG, the newsreader will
> automatically show if the signature is valid.
>
> If you really think your additional signing and linking is relevant and
> will be checked by people (my opinion here doesn't matter - this is just
> technical advice) then add a standard GPG signature afterwards. That
> should give you the best of both worlds in a way that will be most
> likely to be checked by users.

Again, we disagree almost completely.

The evidence of the legitimacy of MY posts will be in every post,
so the discerning individual has a rapid means to confirm. To those
willing to just gloss over and assume ... they are self-condemned.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[David Brown]

If the messages are normal GPG signed posts, then the discerning
individual will have the fastest possible way to confirm their
authenticity - their newsreader will show a green stripe for authentic
messages from your email address, and a red stripe for forgeries. It
does not get faster or easier. (At least, for people using newsreaders
that support GPG.)

We disagree entirely on the motivation or relevance of this sort of
signing (but we do agree that impersonation posts are not a good thing).
I am providing a technical opinion for a technical issue, nothing more.

[Daniel]

On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 7:15:05 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> The Bible explains the difference:
>
> https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+6%3A44&version=KJV
>

> 44 No man can come to me, except the Father.
>
Do you honestly not see the circularity in this reasoning :-) That truth
value is assigned to one and only one of the many ancient deities in the old
texts because it says in one of the texts that its deity has truth value?

You're spamming, Rick. It's become a drug to you, if you try to stop, you
find you can't stop.

Be well,
Daniel

[bartc]

On 15/04/2018 15:45, Daniel wrote:
> On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 7:15:05 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>
>> The Bible

...
Aargh!!

The only possible use the bible has in these technical groups is as a
widely available (and free of copyright) standard text to serve as test
data for programs.

> You're spamming, Rick. It's become a drug to you, if you try to stop, you
> find you can't stop.

He certainly can't help replying to people responding to his posts.
Since on religious topics, no amount of reasoning is going to change
anyone's mind, the answer seems simple: just IGNORE the relatively small
number of OPs that are made. Then new threads will not build from those.

(I read most groups with posts shown in linear, unthreaded order. Almost
the entire page listing the most recent posts is full of this junk.)

--
bartc

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Sunday, April 15, 2018 at 11:53:05 AM UTC-4, bartc wrote:
> On 15/04/2018 15:45, Daniel wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 7:15:05 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> >>
> >> The Bible
> ...
> Aargh!!
>

> The only possible use the bible has in these technical groups is...

It's for your eternal soul, Bart. Until you come to Jesus and ask Him
to forgive your sin, you are still on the path to Hell after you die.

It's more important for everyone than other things because ... none of
us know when we will die.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Chris Vine]

Unfortunately there are a number of people who seem equally addicted to
replying to Rick's posts, thus giving him a further chance to spam this
newsgroup. Replying to on topic posts seems just as bad from this point
of view as responding to his off topic posts. He sees his on topic
discussions as an "entrée" to further off topic posts. He seems to aim
for about a one in three or one in four ratio, although it has been
worse than that lately.

Spam filters are a help but they don't stop you seeing the replies. If
that is still too annoying for a reader, the reader really has to use
other C++ fora, which is a shame.

Chris

[Kenny McCormack]

In article <ac30da86-af13-45f9...@googlegroups.com>,

Of course, if that's actually true - that he can't stop - then there's not
much point in your pointing it out to him, is there?

I have in mind that the "5 stages of grief" model
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kübler-Ross_model)
can be applied to the plight of the Usenet spammer/troll.

The first stage is Denial. I think Rick is stuck in this stage.

We are all praying for his progression through the stages, to the last,
Acceptance. He needs to accept that he is a troll and forever will be.

--
I've been watching cat videos on YouTube. More content and closer to
the truth than anything on Fox.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Sunday, April 15, 2018 at 7:20:12 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
> I am providing a technical opinion for a technical issue, nothing more.

There's a much greater need in life than offering up technical opinions.
Look around to your communities and the communities around the world.
Our children are dying everywhere because the enemy has twisted their
worlds into disassociated islands of sin that keep them trapped in all
manner of false things and headed for death in this world, and keeps
them in death in eternity.

It is an absolute necessity for those who have come to understand the
nature of this enemy and fight, and the nature of that propensity toward
sin, to step up and teach so that as many as are able to hear can hear
and be saved.

I have chosen the direction I will go out of conviction. And God's
presence will surround, infiltrate, and permeate my entire life.

Jesus is the solution to EVERY PROBLEM. All people, yourself included,
need to be taught this.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Sunday, April 15, 2018 at 12:35:46 PM UTC-4, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> [snip]

Jesus Christ came into this world to save human souls from eternal death,
Kenny. He will save EVERYONE who comes to Him asking forgiveness. You
will not learn this from the world because there's also a fallen angel,
an enemy, Lucifer who is now Satan (accuser) who stands before God day
and night accusing each and every one of us of every sin we commit. That
enemy has one goal for your life: your eternal death in Hell.

Jesus has one goal for your life: forgiveness from sin, and eternal life
with God in Heaven.

THAT IS WHY I TEACH ABOUT HIM. WE ALL NEED HIM -- MYSELF INCLUDED.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Daniel]

On Sunday, April 15, 2018 at 12:35:46 PM UTC-4, Kenny McCormack wrote:
>

> Of course, if that's actually true - that he can't stop - then there's not
> much point in your pointing it out to him, is there?
>

It might be helpful if it encouraged Rick to try to stop, as an experiment, to
see if that was a problem. I'm convinced that he'd find out that it was.
Emphasis on might. I don't think anyone here has a real answer to "The Problem
of Rick", and people can make their own decisions whether to reply/not reply.

Daniel

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Sunday, April 15, 2018 at 1:01:34 PM UTC-4, Daniel wrote:
> It might be helpful if it encouraged Rick to try to stop, as an experiment, to
> see if that was a problem. I'm convinced that he'd find out that it was.
> Emphasis on might. I don't think anyone here has a real answer to "The Problem
> of Rick", and people can make their own decisions whether to reply/not reply.

Daniel, watch this video and see if you can learn why I give the fruit
of my life over to Jesus Christ. It is not for the reasons you think,
and it is an honor to serve Him:

Gospel of John (Biblically accurate and faithful movie)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47OkuvT5JFo

Jesus will impact your life to the point of undoing everything you were
focused on previously. It is the new spirit nature asserting itself
over the flesh. It is a new understanding, and it will blow your mind.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[David Brown]

On 15/04/18 18:53, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Sunday, April 15, 2018 at 7:20:12 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
>> I am providing a technical opinion for a technical issue, nothing more.
>
> There's a much greater need in life than offering up technical opinions.

Yes, that's true - in the grand scheme of things, helping you make your
posts easily validated is a pretty irrelevant task. But you are not
interested in my opinions on non-technical matters, and they would be
off-topic here. There are plenty of other areas in my life where I can
do the non-technical stuff.

Incidently, I see that you method has failed completely - the first
spoof of your new format has turned up.

[Kenny McCormack]

In article <pb023c$5al$1...@dont-email.me>,

Everything Rick does is an abject failure.

--
The randomly chosen signature file that would have appeared here is more than 4
lines long. As such, it violates one or more Usenet RFCs. In order to remain
in compliance with said RFCs, the actual sig can be found at the following URL:
http://user.xmission.com/~gazelle/Sigs/ForFoxViewers

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Sunday, April 15, 2018 at 1:28:23 PM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
> On 15/04/18 18:53, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 15, 2018 at 7:20:12 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
> >> I am providing a technical opinion for a technical issue, nothing more.
> >
> > There's a much greater need in life than offering up technical opinions.
>
> Yes, that's true - in the grand scheme of things, helping you make your
> posts easily validated is a pretty irrelevant task. But you are not
> interested in my opinions on non-technical matters, and they would be
> off-topic here. There are plenty of other areas in my life where I can
> do the non-technical stuff.

Eternity lasts a lot longer than this life, David. Learn of Jesus
Christ and serve Him now, and in eternity. He is righteous and true
and faithful and just and He has all power and authority and it is
an honor to serve Him.

> Incidently, I see that you method has failed completely - the first
> spoof of your new format has turned up.

It is clearly not from me as it has many markings which are now
notably different, not just a slightly altered signature and the
word "Enterprises" tagged onto the (normally hidden) headers.

He can parody that format all he wants. Any changes he makes are
obvious. And any portions he copies exactly serve only to spread
the gospel message:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Philippians+1%3A18&version=KJV

18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence,
or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice,
yea, and will rejoice.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Sunday, April 15, 2018 at 1:34:10 PM UTC-4, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> Everything Rick does is an abject failure.

I hope that you will be saved, Kenny. Let's pray you're wrong about
everything I do being a failure.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Chris M. Thomasson]

A URL that is similar enough is a vulnerability for this scheme. Even
with HMAC, a forgery can sign messages with another secret key and use
the fake server to authenticate it. However, the message would not
validate with your real servers, but they sure do with the fake one. So,
shi%!

> If someone goes to such lengths, so much more the reward for me in
> Heaven (Matthew 5:11-12).
>

Agreed. :^)

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Sunday, April 15, 2018 at 3:11:50 PM UTC-4, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> A URL that is similar enough is a vulnerability for this scheme. Even
> with HMAC, a forgery can sign messages with another secret key and use
> the fake server to authenticate it. However, the message would not
> validate with your real servers, but they sure do with the fake one.

I own the website and can track fake addresses and redirect them to
an explanation page about the usurping.

If it goes to someone else's website ... it's a different url and
that's fine too.

The impersonators have been posting using my name almost indistinguishably.
Not any more.

> So, .. !

If you want me to continue communicating with you, remove all profanity,
masked or overt, from your posts.

If not, fine by me. I'll skip right on by.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Chris M. Thomasson]

Not even Q-Bert's language?:

https://youtu.be/0yrhee8W7II

?

Well, how do you know #$%#! is a bad word after all?

It can easily be:

Oh Gosh!

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Sunday, April 15, 2018 at 4:44:16 PM UTC-4, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 4/15/2018 1:17 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > If you want me to continue communicating with you, remove all profanity,
> > masked or overt, from your posts.
> >
> > If not, fine by me. I'll skip right on by.
> >

> Well, how do you know #$%#! is a bad word after all?
>
> It can easily be:
>
> Oh Gosh!

Bob and Tom (radio show) did a skit like that back in the 80s or 90s.
They took legitimate words and bleeped out part of the word to make
it sound like they were bleeping out profanity.

"Oh shoot!" is what they said, but " Oh sh[beep]t!" is what we heard.
They did a whole multi-minute skit like that, and only played the
beep version on the air. They did it because the censors were always
flagging them. When aired, the censors came running only to uncover
their embarrassment.

You use masked profanity a lot. It's unnecessary, and if you want
me to continue communicating with you ... don't. Your choice.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 4/15/2018 1:17 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Sunday, April 15, 2018 at 3:11:50 PM UTC-4, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> A URL that is similar enough is a vulnerability for this scheme. Even
>> with HMAC, a forgery can sign messages with another secret key and use
>> the fake server to authenticate it. However, the message would not
>> validate with your real servers, but they sure do with the fake one.
>
> I own the website and can track fake addresses and redirect them to
> an explanation page about the usurping.
>
> If it goes to someone else's website ... it's a different url and
> that's fine too.

If a forged message can trick a reader into going to another website for
the hash validation:

http://www.libsff.org/Jesus_loves_you_will_forgive_your_sin/99999999.html

Then all bets are off.

[Kenny McCormack]

In article <87221c90-cbe5-4b57...@googlegroups.com>,
Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
...

>You use masked profanity a lot. It's unnecessary, and if you want
>me to continue communicating with you ... don't. Your choice.

I think everybody would be quite happy if you stopped communicating with
them (i.e., everybody).

--

Prayer has no place in the public schools, just like facts
have no place in organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Sunday, April 15, 2018 at 6:12:18 PM UTC-4, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 4/15/2018 1:17 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > If it goes to someone else's website ... it's a different url and
> > that's fine too.
>
> If a forged message can trick a reader into going to another website for
> the hash validation:
>
> http://www.libsff.org/Jesus_loves_you_will_forgive_your_sin/99999999.html
>
> Then all bets are off.

Still a different website, one that's obviously visible.
And, it still conveys the message, "Jesus loves you, will
forgive your sin."

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Sunday, April 15, 2018 at 6:13:05 PM UTC-4, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> In article <87221c90-cbe5-4b57...@googlegroups.com>,
> Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
> >You use masked profanity a lot. It's unnecessary, and if you want
> >me to continue communicating with you ... don't. Your choice.
>
> I think everybody would be quite happy if you stopped communicating with
> them (i.e., everybody).

You say that today, but on Judgment Day ... you'd be like, "Rick!
Rick! You were a Christian, Rick! Why didn't you try harder!? You
knew where I'm going now. WHY DIDN'T YOU TRY HARDER!!?!?!!"

I don't want that day for you, Kenny. So, I try to reach you despite
your meanness and attacks today.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Kenny McCormack]

In article <a91920ca-60fc-4f9a...@googlegroups.com>,

Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sunday, April 15, 2018 at 6:13:05 PM UTC-4, Kenny McCormack wrote:
>> In article <87221c90-cbe5-4b57...@googlegroups.com>,
>> Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ...
>> >You use masked profanity a lot. It's unnecessary, and if you want
>> >me to continue communicating with you ... don't. Your choice.
>>
>> I think everybody would be quite happy if you stopped communicating with
>> them (i.e., everybody).
>
>You say that today, but on Judgment Day ... you'd be like, "Rick!
>Rick! You were a Christian, Rick! Why didn't you try harder!? You
>knew where I'm going now. WHY DIDN'T YOU TRY HARDER!!?!?!!"
>

>Blah, blah, blah

Professional date rapist.

"No" doesn't mean "no"; it just means you haven't presented your case well
enough.

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[Juha Nieminen]

Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I will be installing a confirmation system today that I will post through
> in moving forward. It will be a link to my personal website (http://www.libsf.org)
> which will hold an exact copy of the posted content I write on Usenet.

Nobody cares. Just go away, you fucking spammer.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, April 16, 2018 at 1:07:11 AM UTC-4, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >You say that today, but on Judgment Day ... you'd be like, "Rick!
> >Rick! You were a Christian, Rick! Why didn't you try harder!? You
> >knew where I'm going now. WHY DIDN'T YOU TRY HARDER!!?!?!!"
>

> Professional date rapist.
>
> "No" doesn't mean "no"; it just means you haven't presented your case well
> enough.

I've heard this argument before. It's the negative position of
what's actually happening. The true form goes like this:

1) You have sin.
2) You will be judged for sin by God when you die.
3) Jesus entered into the world to take away that judgment.
4) God now offers His Son to all who will receive Him, and
for all who receive Him judgment is taken away, and things
are restored to the way God intended before sin entered in.

Sin is the problem. Jesus is the cure. This cure is being offered
completely free of charge to ALL people WORLD-wide.

It's different than forcing something upon someone. It's saying,
"Hey, here's the fountain of youth and total prosperity wrapped up
in one source ... for free. Won't you partake?"

It's still your choice to receive. And God Himself will fully honor
your own personal choice.

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[David Brown]

And when people say "no", you should respect that. It is not because
people don't understand what you are trying to tell them. (And if that
/were/ the case, you should certainly stop - clearly you have failed at
the job, and clearly you are not going to get any better by repetition.)
People reject your "fountain of youth" offer for various reasons:

1. They are already happy with their own fountain (normal Christianity,
Buddhism, whatever.)

2. They think you are mad, and the fountain does not exist.

3. They think you are completely mistaken, and it's just a normal water
fountain.

4. They think you may be right that there is a magical fountain of
youth, but they do not want it because the cost is too high (you present
your god as a vicious, evil, lying tyrant - no matter how much you claim
otherwise).

5. They think you may be right that there is a magical fountain of
youth, but the do not want it because it sounds intently boring. Living
forever in perfect harmony with nothing to do all day but sing hymns?
/That/ would be hell.

No, we don't want to listen to your "offer". I can understand that you
wanted to make the offer in the first place - now listen to the replies,
and stop repeating it. Put a link in your newsgroup signature if you
like, but don't put it in the body of the posts.

> It's still your choice to receive. And God Himself will fully honor
> your own personal choice.
>

People here have made their choices. You say God will honour that
choice - but /you/ will not?

[Kenny McCormack]

In article <pb2aoa$u25$1...@dont-email.me>,
David Brown <david...@hesbynett.no> wrote:
...

>No, we don't want to listen to your "offer". I can understand that you
>wanted to make the offer in the first place - now listen to the replies,
>and stop repeating it. Put a link in your newsgroup signature if you
>like, but don't put it in the body of the posts.

It is pretty clear that in Rick's world, "No" does not mean "no".

Date rapist.

Not that any woman would have anything to do with him, so you gotta take
what you can get, right Rick?

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[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, April 16, 2018 at 10:08:24 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
> And when people say "no", you should respect that.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+4%3A18-19&version=KJV

18 And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all nor
teach in the name of Jesus.

19 But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be
right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God,
judge ye.

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Bottom line: You do not understand what you're asking for when you
ask me to stop teaching about Christ. You are pushing away your
only lifeline. And whereas that's your choice, this is a public
forum and you and others who say no here are not the only people
here.

The message of salvation is ONLY FOR THOSE who are being saved.
It is not for other people.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Date raping is like any other crime ... it's horrific. It's no
part of anything that should be part of our society.

This is different than Jesus Christ, who SHOULD BE THE FULL PART
of our society, the source from which we draw all things.

Sin separates us from that knowledge. Jesus Christ came to restore
us so we can know and understand that knowledge rightly.

If the message is not for you, Kenny, then add me to your ingore
list. It will be to your greatest loss, however, if you do.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[David Brown]

On 16/04/18 16:39, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> The message of salvation is ONLY FOR THOSE who are being saved.
> It is not for other people.
>

Then tell it to /them/. People here have either "got the message"
already, and don't need to be told, or they are "other people" who will
not be "saved".

You apparently think it is important to spread your ideas. There is no
way anyone is going to convince you otherwise. But surely you have
realised by now that no one here cares what you say or believe, or what
"message" you might have. If your so-called "teaching" was going to
"save" people here, then it would have worked by now. So why not take
your message elsewhere, and try talking to other people? Remember,
every post you make repeating the same nonsense here is time you could
have spent in some other newsgroup, web forum, social media, street
corner, where you might perhaps have some success.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, April 16, 2018 at 11:18:43 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
> On 16/04/18 16:39, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> > The message of salvation is ONLY FOR THOSE who are being saved.
> > It is not for other people.
>
> Then tell it to /them/.

Bring me a list and I'll do just that.

That number is not affixed, by the way. Jesus said, "Whosoever will
let him come and take freely from the river of the water of life."

Jesus said we would be "fishers of men" ... meaning we cast out and
see what we get, because we don't know in advance if we'll catch any-
thing, or catch a lot.

> People here have either "got the message"
> already, and don't need to be told, or they are "other people" who will
> not be "saved".

The lot here are not the only people who read these posts. Usenet posts
are echoed out to many websites, and many people read them elsewhere.

The message goes forth to all the people of the Earth, David, and then
the end will come:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+24%3A14&version=KJV

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the
world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end
come.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Chris M. Thomasson]

Fair enough. Just be aware of anything like that. Think if somebody
registered a real website with a close enough url on purpose, well, then
it just might not be so obvious. Now, think about it... For somebody to
actual do that, well, imvvho, that would mean a real, sort of demonic
entity is actively chasing you. Humm...

If you have your own server, just do an HMAC and keep the secret key
encrypted in on your own server with another key that only you can
remember. The stored encrypted key that will ultimately be used to sign
public plaintexts can be very large, but the key that you use to decrypt
it can be smaller. Do not store this smaller key on any device. Keep it
in your brain.

Create a plaintext, and send it to your server. When your own server
sends you a first pass confirmation, you send in your personal key to
decrypt the private key that you use to HMAC the public plaintexts with.
Then the server sends you the plaintext and the HMAC derived from the
decrypted key in a single message. If you manage to buy up some close
possible fake urls, and keep them for yourself, well, this should be
fairly secure.

Well, humm... Think about people directing users into false websites by
hijacking their routers?

Humm... Like you said, it might be unlikely that somebody would through
all of the trouble to break your setup. They would have to forge the url
into a site that looks the same.

[Rick]

I will be installing a confirmation system today that I will post through
in moving forward. It will be a link to my personal website
(http://www.libsf.org)
which will hold an exact copy of the posted content I write on Usenet.

Anyone clicking the link can verify the content came from me by seeing some
confirmation information, and an exact copy of my post's content, and
nobody
will be able to add content that appears to be from me with a valid link.

It will separate the true-Rick posts from the false ones. I will actually
begin writing my posts there, have it generate the format for me, and copy-
and-paste its generated content.

--
Rick C. Hodgin