Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

[Skybuck Flying]

Hello,

The question is:

Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

How can you be sure ? It's closed source software.

It's downloading all kinds of crap via Windows Update.

Having childporn on your computer is a crime and can result into jail time.

I think it is safe to say that the era of closed source software is OVER.

You are responsible for what is on your computer !!!!!!!!!

Bye,
Skybuck.

[trolling tone]

User agent Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308
LOL

[Juha Nieminen]

In comp.lang.c++ Skybuck Flying <skybu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

No, because Microsoft is too smart to commit economical suicide.

If a troyan/virus is doing so, that's not on Microsoft.

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[seeplus]

On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 8:49:22 PM UTC+11, Juha Nieminen wrote:

> In comp.lang.c++ Skybuck Flying <xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!
>
> No, because Microsoft is too smart to commit economical suicide.

But someone did do something a bit out of control when MS bought Nokia for
$7.5bill... and then just decided to chuck it, except for a Lumia model or two, which will soon go apparently. Biggest WTF loss ever.

It is just so big, some segments obviously have no idea what other segments
are up to.
The VS team are cohesive, but as a _single_ user, buying product (not residing in US), having to DL it ... a few fails after 1 1/2 hrs into it, and using
their new ("you must belong to an organization to register your SW") online licensing is a real pain.
Even an authenticated ISO image failed to install. Had to DL from another site.

You have no control over Windows 10 update. Just anything could/might happen.

[Geoff]

On Tue, 1 Dec 2015 03:27:21 -0800 (PST), seeplus
<gizmo...@bigpond.com> wrote:

>But someone did do something a bit out of control when MS bought Nokia for
>$7.5bill... and then just decided to chuck it, except for a Lumia model or two, which will soon go apparently. Biggest WTF loss ever.

That's why Ballmer had to go. Why the board permitted that is a
mystery to me. Was any Nokia technology applied in the Surface? I
don't know. I see no evidence of it. As a shareholder, I was not happy
to see the purchase move forward and I was even more unhappy to see it
squandered. Ballmer didn't have a clue about where to take the company
or how to do anything except milk the Windows cow. They seem to be
recovering and the decision to adopt a more open platform for
developers is encouraging. After being flat to negative for 8 years
MSFT is touching new highs since Ballmer's departure.

MSFT's use of P2P for software distribution might be better received
if it were left to users to opt-in to the idea, the whole Windows 10,
take it or leave it thing is just too much like Apple for the PC
crowd. Windows users for the most part _like_ tweaking their systems.
Apple manages to get a free pass for every new collection of bugs and
usability impairment to OS X and iOS and every version is Better(tm)
and Faster(tm) and the Most Advanced System Ever(tm)(c). Fanboyz
cheer.

[Steve Hayes]

On Tue, 1 Dec 2015 03:19:39 +0100, "Skybuck Flying"
<skybu...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Hello,
>
>The question is:
>
>Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.

Since you don't even know that much about computers, anything else you
say is obviously not worth readin.



--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

[Keith Thompson]

Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> writes:
> On Tue, 1 Dec 2015 03:19:39 +0100, "Skybuck Flying"
> <skybu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>The question is:
>>
>>Is Microsoft

[snip]

>
> You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.
>
> Since you don't even know that much about computers, anything else you
> say is obviously not worth readin.

Nor is it worth replying to. *Please* don't feed the troll.

(Followups set.)

--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) ks...@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

[Skybuck Flying]

It's not YOU doing it.

Since you obviously don't understand that it's not worth reading anything
else you wrote LOL.

Bye,
Skybuck.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

> "Skybuck Flying" wrote in message
> news:32371$565e3a1e$d47876e2$68...@news.ziggo.nl...

> It's not YOU doing it.

> Since you obviously don't understand that it's not worth reading anything
> else you wrote LOL.

If this crap is really happening to you, take your harddrive out and burn it
into fuc%ing dust!

Do it NOW!

[Juha Nieminen]

seeplus <gizmo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> You have no control over Windows 10 update. Just anything could/might happen.

Like what? Microsoft stealing your credit card number?

Don't make me laugh.

[Juha Nieminen]

In comp.lang.c++ Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.

It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
"downloading" things to your computer?

[Richard Heathfield]

On 02/12/15 08:57, Juha Nieminen wrote:
> In comp.lang.c++ Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>> You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.
>
> It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
> starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
> "downloading" things to your computer?

My understanding of the term has always been that you upload from a
smaller device to a larger, and download from a larger device to a
smaller. Thus, from your laptop you might *up*load data to a Web server
or a mainframe, but you would *down*load data to your phone or tablet.

If the devices are of comparable size and power, you aren't upping or
downing anything - you're just transferring data from one computer to
another. I suppose we could say "crossloading"?

--
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

[seeplus]

On Wednesday, December 2, 2015 at 7:54:48 PM UTC+11, Juha Nieminen wrote:

> seeplus <XXXXXXX> wrote:
> > You have no control over Windows 10 update. Just anything could/might happen.
>
> Like what? Microsoft stealing your credit card number?
>
> Don't make me laugh.
>

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If you are running W10 then you have AGREED in the T&Cs:

"we will access, disclose and preserve personal data."

.... and search "Microsoft hack".... growing exponentially.

[Les Cargill]

Down is towards an end node; up is towards the backbone. Servers
live closer to the backbone. Usually. Or rather did when the
nomenclature was forged.

--
Les Cargill

[Grant Edwards]

On 2015-12-02, Richard Heathfield <r...@cpax.org.uk> wrote:
> On 02/12/15 08:57, Juha Nieminen wrote:
>> In comp.lang.c++ Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>> You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.
>>
>> It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
>> starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
>> "downloading" things to your computer?
>
> My understanding of the term has always been that you upload from a
> smaller device to a larger, and download from a larger device to a
> smaller. Thus, from your laptop you might *up*load data to a Web server
> or a mainframe, but you would *down*load data to your phone or tablet.

That's sort of the usage I'm used to, but it probably has more to do
with network topology than CPU power. Servers on the internet are at
the top of the diagram, and embedded devices that can't access the
internet directly are at the bottom with my PC somewhere in the
middle.

--
Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards Yow! Are you still an
at ALCOHOLIC?
gmail.com

[Grant Edwards]

Exactly! Thats the usage I've been used to for the past 30 years.

--
Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards Yow! I'm pretending that
at we're all watching PHIL
gmail.com SILVERS instead of RICARDO
MONTALBAN!

[Keith Thompson]

Juha Nieminen <nos...@thanks.invalid> writes:
> In comp.lang.c++ Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>> You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.
>
> It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
> starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
> "downloading" things to your computer?

My understanding of the word "downloading" has always been STOP FEEDING
THE TROLL!

[Chris M. Thomasson]

> "seeplus" wrote in message
> news:85400d28-7c6d-497a...@googlegroups.com...
[...]

> If you are running W10 then you have AGREED in the T&Cs:

[...]

When I first noticed that damn windows icon sitting in my taskbar I thought
I had a virus.

Turns out that its okay, and part of Microsoft trying to get me to download
Win10.

What a piece of shi% move on their part. As%holes!

GRRRRR!

;^/

[Steve Hayes]

In my usage it all has to do with sending and receiving, like
immigration and emigration.

I UPload photos from my cell phone to Facebook.

I DOWNload photos from my cell phone to my desktop computer.

[Steve Hayes]

On Thu, 03 Dec 2015 06:21:45 +0200, Steve Hayes
<haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 2 Dec 2015 15:20:13 +0000 (UTC), Grant Edwards
><inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 2015-12-02, Richard Heathfield <r...@cpax.org.uk> wrote:
>>> On 02/12/15 08:57, Juha Nieminen wrote:
>>>> In comp.lang.c++ Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>>>> You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.
>>>>
>>>> It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
>>>> starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
>>>> "downloading" things to your computer?
>>>
>>> My understanding of the term has always been that you upload from a
>>> smaller device to a larger, and download from a larger device to a
>>> smaller. Thus, from your laptop you might *up*load data to a Web server
>>> or a mainframe, but you would *down*load data to your phone or tablet.
>>
>>That's sort of the usage I'm used to, but it probably has more to do
>>with network topology than CPU power. Servers on the internet are at
>>the top of the diagram, and embedded devices that can't access the
>>internet directly are at the bottom with my PC somewhere in the
>>middle.
>
>In my usage it all has to do with sending and receiving, like
>immigration and emigration.
>
>I UPload photos from my cell phone to Facebook.
>
>I DOWNload photos from my cell phone to my desktop computer.

To which I will add that uploading is sending, and downloading is
fetching.

So saying that Microsoft downloaded something to my computer is like
saying that someone fetched me a ltter when they actually sent it.

[Chris in Makati]

On Wed, 2 Dec 2015 08:57:44 +0000 (UTC), Juha Nieminen
<nos...@thanks.invalid> wrote:

>In comp.lang.c++ Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>> You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.
>
>It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
>starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
>"downloading" things to your computer?

Does it matter? As far as the law is concerned, it is possession of
child porn that's illegal. How it got there is irrelevant.

[David Brown]

You are posting to a wide range of international newsgroups (with this
thread being way off-topic for all of them...). It makes no sense to
talk about "the law", because this is not something covered by
/international/ law.

What counts as "child porn", what counts as "possession", how relevant
intention, knowledge, etc., is, varies enormously from country to
country. Even if the OP is telling the truth (and if Skybuck said that
grass is green, I'd recommend going outside to check), and he gets
caught with this stuff on his machine, punishments can vary from "it's
fine as long as you don't distribute it" to "25 years for each picture,
to be served consecutively".

[Juha Nieminen]

Chris M. Thomasson <nos...@nospam.nospam> wrote:
> Turns out that its okay, and part of Microsoft trying to get me to download
> Win10.
>
> What a piece of shi% move on their part. As%holes!

Yeah. How dare they offer an upgrade for free. They should be ashamed
of themselves.

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[Juha Nieminen]

Most judiciary systems are not robots following a narrow set of instructions.
If they determine that it wasn't your fault, they will not punish the
innocent.

Besides, how would they even know what's in your computer?

[seeplus]

On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 8:16:41 PM UTC+11, Juha Nieminen wrote:

> In comp.lang.c++ Chris in Makati <XXXXXXX> wrote:
> >
> Besides, how would they even know what's in your computer?
>

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If you DO just happen to have any porn... or any other political,
anti social, kids in the bath, graphics on your computer,
MS will now be able to check and report on just about EVERY Win computer
in existence (they are retrofitting back to W7), using their PhotoDNA hash app.
And send the law to your place if it looks dubious.

They already use this on One Drive etc and Google use it on their social sites.
It does not even allow nudity on One Drive.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

> "Juha Nieminen" wrote in message
> news:n3p12d$smh$1...@adenine.netfront.net...

> > Chris M. Thomasson <nos...@nospam.nospam> wrote:
> > Turns out that its okay, and part of Microsoft trying to get me to
> > download
> > Win10.
> >
> > What a piece of shi% move on their part. As%holes!

> Yeah. How dare they offer an upgrade for free. They should be ashamed
> of themselves.

The problem is that the icon freaked me out for I instantly thought I had a
virus.

The fact that I can get Win10 for free is pretty nice.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

> "Chris M. Thomasson" wrote in message
> news:n3qb9r$eep$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

[...]

> The problem is that the icon freaked me out for I instantly thought I had
> a virus.

> The fact that I can get Win10 for free is pretty nice.

BTW, do you know how to get the damn annoying icon off the screen for good?

I am not sure I want Win10 yet. I am missing an option to get rid of that
little shi%!

[JiiPee]

On 03/12/2015 09:12, Juha Nieminen wrote:
> Chris M. Thomasson <nos...@nospam.nospam> wrote:
>> Turns out that its okay, and part of Microsoft trying to get me to download
>> Win10.
>>
>> What a piece of shi% move on their part. As%holes!
> Yeah. How dare they offer an upgrade for free. They should be ashamed
> of themselves.
>
>

and how do they dare to offer the full Visual Studio Community for free
as well...

[Vir Campestris]

On 03/12/2015 21:15, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> BTW, do you know how to get the damn annoying icon off the screen for good?
>
> I am not sure I want Win10 yet. I am missing an option to get rid of
> that little shi%!

There are a couple of windows updates you have to remove. ICBA to look
up which ones - I just rejected them as they came. I have no intention
to update this machine. OTOH I have a new laptop that has Win10 (with
all the privacy settings on!) and I'm quite happy with that.

Andy

[seeplus]

On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 8:45:57 AM UTC+11, JiiPee wrote:

> > QUOTE OTHERS: Yeah. How dare they offer an upgrade for free. They should be ashamed

> > of themselves.
> >
> >
>
> and how do they dare to offer the full Visual Studio Community for free
> as well...

Did you notice that it HAD to be linked to an MS account?

Their "gratis" softwares eg W10 are trojanlike.
MS will make much more $$ from their upcoming metrics gathering
than they have ever spent/made on developing and selling SW.
They are very happy to "give" it to you.

Of course you can no longer get rid of annoying Bing.
You can drill down and turn it to "OFF".
If you turn off Defender... they will auto turn it back on.
But we are hackers. There are 200 million others out there accepting the defaults.

6 months ago the fact that 2 simple lines of targeted text which appeared
next to my search results seemed amusing, and my props to the programmers.
NOW if I search anything like a C++ term .... I get e.g. a Sharper ad
that takes most of the screen, and with a 2 pixel unfindable X close button.

I already purchased Sharper a year ago.

[Chris in Makati]

On Thu, 3 Dec 2015 09:16:32 +0000 (UTC), Juha Nieminen

<nos...@thanks.invalid> wrote:

>In comp.lang.c++ Chris in Makati <ma...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2015 08:57:44 +0000 (UTC), Juha Nieminen
>> <nos...@thanks.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>In comp.lang.c++ Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>>> You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.
>>>
>>>It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
>>>starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
>>>"downloading" things to your computer?
>>
>> Does it matter? As far as the law is concerned, it is possession of
>> child porn that's illegal. How it got there is irrelevant.
>
>Most judiciary systems are not robots following a narrow set of instructions.
>If they determine that it wasn't your fault, they will not punish the
>innocent.
>
>Besides, how would they even know what's in your computer?

If you do a Google search for <child porn arrested> you will find
literally thousands of cases where raids have taken place and people
have been found with this material on their computers.

In many of these cases the authorities have traced the IP addresses of
people whose computers have made connections to known sites that host
child porn. It's no use trying to claim that a bot you weren't aware
of downloaded it without your knowledge. If you could get off the hook
that easily everybody who was interested in the stuff would
deliberately install such a bot and use that as an excuse.

[J. Clarke]

In article <80f49ad2-4217-426c...@googlegroups.com>,
gizmo...@bigpond.com says...

Source?

Oh, make sure that you'pre looking at the rules for private storage, not
for shared content.