open source SVG library for C++ or C

[Lynn McGuire]

Does anyone have any good experience with one of the various open source libraries for SVG graphics for C++ or C ?

I am using Visual Studio 2015 on Windows 7.

Thanks,
Lynn

[Sjouke Burry]

maybe you can use
From this web page:

ZSVGA101.ZIP (288k)
SVGACC26.ZIP (178k)
SVGAPB26.ZIP (214k)
SVGAPV26.ZIP (202k)
SVGAQB26.ZIP (188k)

at the site
> http://www.zephyrsoftware.com/download/zdownld.html

svgacc for 16bit and zsvga for 32 bit.

[Richard]

[Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]

Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> spake the secret code
<nt3slu$me3$1...@dont-email.me> thusly:

>Does anyone have any good experience with one of the various open
>source libraries for SVG graphics for C++ or C ?
>
>I am using Visual Studio 2015 on Windows 7.

Anti-Grain Geometry supports SVG. There is an SVG viewer demo:
<http://www.antigrain.com/svg/index.html>
--
"The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" free book <http://tinyurl.com/d3d-pipeline>
The Computer Graphics Museum <http://computergraphicsmuseum.org>
The Terminals Wiki <http://terminals.classiccmp.org>
Legalize Adulthood! (my blog) <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com>

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Richard wrote:
> [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]

Richard, is this really such a common occurrence that you
have to placard every post you make with a stand-out bulletin?

I've never had one person ever also email me a reply of their usenet
post. I find it difficult to believe that it's so much an issue with
your inbox that it truly warrants the perpetual note.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

[Real Troll]

On 05/10/2016 23:28, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
>
> I've never had one person ever also email me a reply of their usenet
> post.

You must be very disappointed that nobody is interested in you! Is it
because you are a known troll? Is it because people are less interested
in your religion?

I get lots despite calling myself as troll to dissuade them. Apparently
they now know me as fake troll.

[Mr Flibble]

On 05/10/2016 23:28, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> Richard wrote:
>> [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]
>
> Richard, is this really such a common occurrence that you
> have to placard every post you make with a stand-out bulletin?

You have a fucking nerve mate what with your habit of constantly
spamming this newsgroup with your off topic Christian bullshit.

Don't worry mate you are still in my killfile: this is a different computer.

/Flibble

[woodb...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, October 5, 2016 at 7:06:28 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:

Leigh, please don't swear here.

Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises
http://webEbenezer.net

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 10/5/2016 5:12 PM, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 5, 2016 at 7:06:28 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>
> Leigh, please don't swear here.

WTF does this feeble attempt at language moderation actually mean? Let
me guess, a PG-13 movie just might be too harsh for your emasculated
brain to decode?

Go% DAM% it!

Grow up.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Mr. Flibble wrote:
> You have a .. nerve mate what with your habit of constantly spamming
> this newsgroup with your off topic Christian .. .

Your use of profanity is out of place with your great intellect and
honed skill. It demeans you and your character in ways which
harm you. There is a better way to be, and I would like to
encourage you toward that end.

> Don't worry mate you are still in my killfile: this is a different
> computer.

Are you a coward, Leigh? Are the teachings of Jesus Christ too much
for your delicate sensibilities? His call to be holy, to stand up for the
truth, to proclaim His name, these are all too much for you to bear?
You'd rather go the easy path of being just like everybody else in
this world? Safety and security in numbers no matter the vulgarity
or perpetual hostility? Just go with the (literally damned) flow straight
to your own eternal death?

Have you no strength of your own? No ability to stand up against the
popular decree? Are you only a follower with no backbone, unable
to stand up against the evils of this world? Do those evils own you?
Yes. They do.

-----
Your replies to people speak of a man afraid to stand up for what's right.
Bold obscenities and harsh words to people, these are attempts to
cover and hide the frightened boy inside.

It doesn't have to be like that. You can have the strength and courage
you lack. You can be rightly bold, and not just pretense bold. It comes
from Him, Leigh. Him only. And it is whole, and it is complete, because
it comes from within, not from without, and it comes from the new
life. Eternal life.

[Melzzzzz]

One of freedoms of unmoderated usenet is to swear ;)

--
press any key to continue or any other to quit

[Öö Tiib]

On Thursday, 6 October 2016 04:10:29 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> Are you a coward, Leigh?

He may be is uninterested in contents of your postings because these
are boring and off topic.

[Christian Gollwitzer]

Am 06.10.16 um 00:28 schrieb Rick C. Hodgin:

> Richard wrote:
>> [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]
>
> Richard, is this really such a common occurrence that you
> have to placard every post you make with a stand-out bulletin?
>
> I've never had one person ever also email me a reply of their usenet
> post.

I get CC'ed to a usenet reply from time to time, but it's not overly
common. In the last year, I sent ~300 Usenet posts. From this I got
CC'ed maybe 3 or 4 times. So yes this header could go into the
signature, but it is just one line. Additionally, the mail contains a
valid reply which points to the (very good) AGG library.

Other people spam this group with pages of Off-Topic rants. Matthew 7:3
comes to mind.

Christian

[Paavo Helde]

There is the wxsvg library which is cross-platform and written in C++.
OTOH, it does not implement some more advanced SVG features and the main
drawback is that it builds upon the wx cross-platform toolkit which has
zillion dependencies and is a PITA to get building independently. If you
only target Windows then probably there are simpler options. But if the
project is already using wx then wxsvg would be an easy add-on.

HTH
Paavo

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Christian Gollwitzer wrote:
> I get CC'ed to a usenet reply from time to time, but it's not
> overly common. In the last year, I sent ~300 Usenet posts.
> From this I got CC'ed maybe 3 or 4 times. So yes this header
> could go into the signature, but it is just one line.

I do not see that rate or ratio as anywhere near sufficient to warrant
a front page placard on every post. It's one of the oddest things
I've seen on usenet. Every time I see it, I involuntarily pause
and think, "Really, Richard?"

I'm curious to hear from Richard what his rate or ratio of emails is,
that he still feels justified in putting the placard up fron, set apart,
on every post. Maybe he has a good reason. Until he explains
his reasoning, I can't visualize why he'd be justified in doing it.

[Mr Flibble]

On 06/10/2016 02:07, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Mr. Flibble wrote:
>> You have a .. nerve mate what with your habit of constantly spamming
>> this newsgroup with your off topic Christian .. .
>
> Your use of profanity is out of place with your great intellect and
> honed skill. It demeans you and your character in ways which
> harm you. There is a better way to be, and I would like to
> encourage you toward that end.

Demeans me? Three things:

1) Swearing is not demeaning, read: http://danieware.com/2743/fuck/
2) Advising that off-topic spam is not welcome on Usenet is not demeaning
3) Asserting my atheism in the form of calling out your Christian
bullshit is not demeaning.

Given the above I am not sure how you arrived at the conclusion that I
am being demeaned.

[snip]

/Flibble

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 11:04:08 AM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 06/10/2016 02:07, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > Mr. Flibble wrote:
> >> You have a .. nerve mate what with your habit of constantly spamming
> >> this newsgroup with your off topic Christian .. .
> >
> > Your use of profanity is out of place with your great intellect and
> > honed skill. It demeans you and your character in ways which
> > harm you. There is a better way to be, and I would like to
> > encourage you toward that end.
>
> Demeans me? Three things:
>

> 1) Swearing is not demeaning, read: http://danieware.com/2743/ .. /

> 2) Advising that off-topic spam is not welcome on Usenet is not demeaning
> 3) Asserting my atheism in the form of calling out your Christian

> .. is not demeaning.

>
> Given the above I am not sure how you arrived at the conclusion that I
> am being demeaned.

I could tell you, Leigh, but as there are some things a child must simply
go through to personally learn (because until they experience it for
themselves they just won't listen or be able to believe), you will have
to seek the answer for yourself. I can't teach it to you.

That being said, I'll do my best:

(1) You are wrong on all accounts above [1), 2), and 3)].
(2) But, you are unaware of this because you only see things
through natural eyes. You are only operating in the flesh,
and what you possess there is the thinking regarding how
the flesh understands such things.
(3) The flesh is not the only component of our existence. We
are all three-fold beings, soul, body, spirit, but because
of sin we are spiritually dead, leaving us with only our
physical flesh, our body, giving us input.
(4) When you come to Jesus and ask Him to forgive your sin, He
takes your sin and transfers it to Himself by a supernatural
act of God (a miracle), removing it from you, depositing it
on Him. He then is guilty of your sin, not you, which means
He pays the price of it in Hell, not you.
(5) This leaves you with spotless righteousness before God, which
means the "spiritually dead" aspect of your existence is no
longer dead. You no longer possess sin, so you are no longer
under the sentence of death through sin.
(6) Because of (4) and (5), that person is then living with the
two inputs now feeding their existence: flesh, and spirit.
(7) The two are at odds with each other, and they are polar
opposites. The flesh sees things a particular way which,
because of sin, and because there are evil spirits all around
us feeding us continually spiritual input into our flesh that
only our flesh is aware of, we think a certain way, we feel a
certain way, we then have resulting behavior which is a certain
way. But none of it is real. It's being injected into our
flesh by evil spirits who are purposefully trying to harm us.
(8) When a person no longer has sin, and is then spiritually alive
again, the Christian term for this is "born again," then there
is an awareness, an input of spiritual things into our existence.
We are no longer fed only by our flesh, but God Himself and His
Holy Spirit is able to feed us true and proper input.
(9) It is from within this input from God where the truth is known,
and the false ways of the enemy are illuminated for what they
are: hateful, false, leading only to death through sin, and
wholly and completely evil and dark.

There is more to our existence than this flesh. It's what Jesus Christ
has given us through His atoning death at the cross. He who knew no sin
became sin in our place so that we could be set free from sin.

I pray you consider this, Leigh. You are a formidable talent and I am
greatly impressed with your work. But there is a real enemy taking
advantage of your sin state, trying to do you real harm, and unless you
receive this message of salvation through Jesus Christ, through the
understanding of your sin, what your sin has done to you, what it's cost
you, what it will cost you, and how He can take it away, desires to take
it away, came to this Earth to take it away, so that you might be set
free from that enemy's grip upon you unto death, then you will fall to
it, as no flesh can overcome the spirit, and Satan is a spirit, as well
as all his demon imps (former angels who walked away from God).

It's out there for you to seek for yourself, Leigh. DO NOT TAKE MY WORD
FOR ANY OF IT. Examine it for yourself. "Taste and see that the Lord
is good" the Bible says.

It's my best offering to you, Leigh. It's all I possess given to you so
that you too might come to receive what He has given me. And I my prayer
for you is that when you do, you will outshine me in your service unto
Him, such that I will look like a failure beside your accomplishments in
Him.

[Mr Flibble]

On 06/10/2016 16:18, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 11:04:08 AM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> On 06/10/2016 02:07, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> Mr. Flibble wrote:
>>>> You have a .. nerve mate what with your habit of constantly spamming
>>>> this newsgroup with your off topic Christian .. .
>>>
>>> Your use of profanity is out of place with your great intellect and
>>> honed skill. It demeans you and your character in ways which
>>> harm you. There is a better way to be, and I would like to
>>> encourage you toward that end.
>>
>> Demeans me? Three things:
>>
>> 1) Swearing is not demeaning, read: http://danieware.com/2743/ .. /
>> 2) Advising that off-topic spam is not welcome on Usenet is not demeaning
>> 3) Asserting my atheism in the form of calling out your Christian
>> .. is not demeaning.
>>
>> Given the above I am not sure how you arrived at the conclusion that I
>> am being demeaned.
>
> I could tell you, Leigh, but as there are some things a child must simply
> go through to personally learn (because until they experience it for
> themselves they just won't listen or be able to believe), you will have
> to seek the answer for yourself. I can't teach it to you.
>
> That being said, I'll do my best:

tl;dr.

[snip]

/Flibble

[Rick C. Hodgin]

If I could make it shorter I would. I can only advise you, Leigh: It's
important enough to take the two minutes and read it.

[Mr Flibble]

But, you obtuse fuck, I don't want to read 10 seconds of your off-topic
Christian bullshit never mind two minutes of it. I suspect nobody else
who wants to use this newsgroup as a place to discuss C++ want to read
it either.

/Flibble

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 11:40:09 AM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 06/10/2016 16:33, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 11:30:51 AM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> >> On 06/10/2016 16:18, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> >>> That being said, I'll do my best:
> >>
> >> tl;dr.
> >
> > If I could make it shorter I would. I can only advise you, Leigh: It's
> > important enough to take the two minutes and read it.
>

> But, you obtuse .. , I don't want to read 10 seconds of your off-topic
> Christian .. never mind two minutes of it.

I guess my coward assessment of you was spot on, Leigh. The truth about
yourself, and about Jesus Christ, it's just too much for you to ever dare
learn about.

You are rejecting truth, rejecting Him out of fear, a fear of learning the
truth because you like living in your current world of dark falseness.
Enjoy it. It won't last long. And this dark world of hate and war will be
the closest thing to Heaven you ever get to experience because what comes
after for those who reject salvation through Jesus Christ is much worse.
So bad that He takes these great pangs to warn you, even vulgar and offensive
you, through men and women like me, so that you too might be saved as we were
in our vulgarity and offensiveness.

[Mr Flibble]

On 06/10/2016 16:50, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 11:40:09 AM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> On 06/10/2016 16:33, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 11:30:51 AM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
>>>> On 06/10/2016 16:18, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>>> That being said, I'll do my best:
>>>>
>>>> tl;dr.
>>>
>>> If I could make it shorter I would. I can only advise you, Leigh: It's
>>> important enough to take the two minutes and read it.
>>
>> But, you obtuse .. , I don't want to read 10 seconds of your off-topic
>> Christian .. never mind two minutes of it.
>
> I guess my coward assessment of you was spot on, Leigh. The truth about
> yourself, and about Jesus Christ, it's just too much for you to ever dare
> learn about.
>
> You are rejecting truth, rejecting Him out of fear, a fear of learning the

You are the coward; you are the one rejecting truth; you are the one
pretending that death is anything other than oblivion.

/Flibble

[Rick C. Hodgin]

You'll find out soon enough if you are right or not, if choosing to not
even read two minutes worth of information by someone who tells you he
cares enough about you to look past your vulgarity and obscenity and
reach out a hand of truth, to even examine if it's true or not.

Why are you so scared that you won't even examine it?

Pssst ... I'll tell you what it is. I'll whisper it in your ear. Step
closer: "It's because there really are evil spirits in this world and
they are operating against you right now. Yeah. They're trying to drip
thoughts into your mind that it's all nonsense. That you are wholly
justified in turning a deaf ear to it all." They're laughing at you,
Leigh. They're laughing at your pride and arrogance being so puffed up
that you won't even consider the message because of their own prompting
into your flesh / mind.

If you care at all about truth ... read what I've written. If not, then
tick tock. Tick tock. Tick tock.

[Mr Flibble]

On 06/10/2016 16:59, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 11:55:28 AM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> On 06/10/2016 16:50, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 11:40:09 AM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
>>>> On 06/10/2016 16:33, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 11:30:51 AM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
>>>>>> On 06/10/2016 16:18, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>>>>> That being said, I'll do my best:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tl;dr.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I could make it shorter I would. I can only advise you, Leigh: It's
>>>>> important enough to take the two minutes and read it.
>>>>
>>>> But, you obtuse .. , I don't want to read 10 seconds of your off-topic
>>>> Christian .. never mind two minutes of it.
>>>
>>> I guess my coward assessment of you was spot on, Leigh. The truth about
>>> yourself, and about Jesus Christ, it's just too much for you to ever dare
>>> learn about.
>>>
>>> You are rejecting truth, rejecting Him out of fear, a fear of learning the
>>
>> You are the coward; you are the one rejecting truth; you are the one
>> pretending that death is anything other than oblivion.
>
> You'll find out soon enough if you are right or not, if choosing to not

As an atheist I reject even Pascal's Wager; as for what else you wrote mate:

tl;dr

[snip]

/Flibble

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 12:08:48 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> As an atheist ... tl;dr

How do atheists feel about ignorance?

When I was an atheist I was convinced I was right. And I was. I was
so sure of my position in atheism that I challenged the evangelical
Christian in the next cubicle over to read through the Bible with me,
so that I could prove to him it was total bunk. He agreed, and we began
reading it on our lunch hours.

The difference between you and me is this: I set my mind on seeking the
truth. I wanted honestly to know if I was right or wrong. And because
I was seeking to know the answer to that question for real, I found the
true answer.

My life changed at that point, and to a degree I would never have imagined
possible. In fact, there are times to this day 12 years later I still
stand mouth agape, wide-eyed, head spinning, at how much I've changed, and
how much more there is to an infinite God of love and compassion.

Good luck with your choices, Leigh.

[Mr Flibble]

On 06/10/2016 17:16, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 12:08:48 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> As an atheist ... tl;dr
>
> How do atheists feel about ignorance?

You reject evolution on the grounds that it is the "work of the devil";
using the devil as an excuse to reject anything that conflicts with your
world-view is the height of ignorance so consider your own ignorance
before you call others ignorant.

/Flibble

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 12:37:54 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 06/10/2016 17:16, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 12:08:48 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> >> As an atheist ... tl;dr
> >
> > How do atheists feel about ignorance?
>
> You reject evolution on the grounds that it is the "work of the devil";

Not quite. Evolution is a teaching of the devil, not a "work of the devil."
God created things a particular way. The devil can't change that. But
because of sin, and because of our inability to know truth because of our
being spiritually dead in sin, Satan takes advantage of our fallen flesh
and flesh-only mind. He injects things which seem to make sense, seem to
be plausible. But, because they are not true, they fail under scrutiny.

I reject evolution because it is a lie of the devil perpetrated against
mankind to lead people into falseness.

The truth about how we and all animals came about is described in Genesis
1 through 11 (the creation of man, through to the tower of Babel and the
confusion of our languages by God, so that people groups would diverge and
separate and spread over the whole Earth.

> using the devil as an excuse to reject anything that conflicts with your
> world-view is the height of ignorance so consider your own ignorance
> before you call others ignorant.

I agree with you that using the devil as an excuse would be the height of
ignorance. However, that's not what I'm doing.

-----
If you would take some time out of your busy schedule to pursue the truth
with an honest seeking, you'd discover all of this and more for yourself.

[Mr Flibble]

On 06/10/2016 17:42, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 12:37:54 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> On 06/10/2016 17:16, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 12:08:48 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
>>>> As an atheist ... tl;dr
>>>
>>> How do atheists feel about ignorance?
>>
>> You reject evolution on the grounds that it is the "work of the devil";
>
> Not quite. Evolution is a teaching of the devil, not a "work of the devil."
> God created things a particular way. The devil can't change that. But
> because of sin, and because of our inability to know truth because of our
> being spiritually dead in sin, Satan takes advantage of our fallen flesh
> and flesh-only mind. He injects things which seem to make sense, seem to
> be plausible. But, because they are not true, they fail under scrutiny.
>
> I reject evolution because it is a lie of the devil perpetrated against
> mankind to lead people into falseness.

It makes little difference if you consider evolution to be the work of
or a lie of the devil; either way you are using the devil as an excuse
to reject something that conflicts with your world-view which is the
height of ignorance so you are in no position to call atheists ignorant.

>
> The truth about how we and all animals came about is described in Genesis
> 1 through 11 (the creation of man, through to the tower of Babel and the
> confusion of our languages by God, so that people groups would diverge and
> separate and spread over the whole Earth.

Believing Genesis is fact is worse than ignorance; it is pure stupidity.

[snip]

/Flibble

[red floyd]

On 10/5/2016 5:12 PM, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Wednesday, October 5, 2016 at 7:06:28 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>
> Leigh, please don't swear here.

Fuck off.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

This conclusion is based on your exhaustive study of Genesis, and the
teachings of Biblical scholars like those at Answers in Genesis who
include PhD scientists who look at the world around us, look at the
Biblical claims, and correlate exactly how they fit together in a real,
observable, repeatable, and easily understandable way?

If not ... then what are you basing it on?

-----
I was taught the same things you were, Leigh. And I believed them.
My motto was always: "Even if we don't have the answers today, one day
we will, and we will find they do not involve 'god'." (I used a lower-
case 'g' back then so as to not call Him God, and show Him any kind of
respect).

What I LEARNED, Leigh, is that I was wrong. The spirit of truth taught
me that, and despite my many arguments with Him, He was patient and
kept bringing me to places where I would learn something new, and read
something over here, and hear something over there, and have a thought
occur to me here, etc.

As a farmer working his crops, He invested time and effort into me,
and He yielded a harvest because what He planted in me grew and now I
do understand and I step forward with my voice, with my mind, with the
resources I possess, and I try to teach others.

-----
Remember that song lyric: "All we are saying ... is give peace a chance"?
Well, replace the words "we are" and "peace" with "I am" and "truth":

All I am saying ... is give truth a chance.

I promise you, it will appease your most inquisitive inquisitions. :-)

[Mr Flibble]

On 06/10/2016 17:55, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 12:49:28 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> On 06/10/2016 17:42, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> The truth about how we and all animals came about is described in Genesis
>>> 1 through 11 (the creation of man, through to the tower of Babel and the
>>> confusion of our languages by God, so that people groups would diverge and
>>> separate and spread over the whole Earth.
>>
>> Believing Genesis is fact is worse than ignorance; it is pure stupidity.
>
> This conclusion is based on your exhaustive study of Genesis, and the
> teachings of Biblical scholars like those at Answers in Genesis who
> include PhD scientists who look at the world around us, look at the
> Biblical claims, and correlate exactly how they fit together in a real,
> observable, repeatable, and easily understandable way?

Biblical scholars are not scientists; they are deluded fuckwits much
like yourself.

>
> If not ... then what are you basing it on?

Evidence. Facts. NOT the work of or lies of some imaginary "devil".

As for what else you wrote:

tl;dr.

[snip]

/Flibble

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 12:59:34 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> As for what else you wrote:
> tl;dr.

Isolation and confinement are tactics of the enemy. He tries to keep those
whom he currently occupies and influences from coming to a knowledge of the
truth. He does this by physically separating people from the source of
those espousing the truth of God (add people to killfiles or auto-delete
lists, stops talking to them in real life, turns them in at their job so
they get fired and are no longer an influence, etc.), and he also tries to
contain the conversation into an isolated box whereby he can exhibit more
control. He'll demand that responses only come in some form (short, one
sentence, can't use the words "Bible" or "Jesus," can only answer with yes
or no, so that the message God would have, His words in scripture which
are life, are not heard, thereby kept from the ears of the person, so that
the evil spirit can continue to dominate their mind and interests in this
fallen world).

-----
It's all a game of control, Leigh. You're playing into the enemy's hands
by being obedient to his constraints upon input to your mind, rather than
being obedient to an honest call of truth.

It's your choice. You're the one who has to live with the consequences
of that choice. Not me.

[Mr Flibble]

On 06/10/2016 18:07, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 12:59:34 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> As for what else you wrote:
>> tl;dr.

tl;dr.

[snip]

> It's your choice. You're the one who has to live with the consequences
> of that choice. Not me.

Yep it is my choice and I choose to add you to the killfile of this
computer too. See ya mate.

/Flibble

[Lynn McGuire]

On 10/5/2016 5:08 PM, Sjouke Burry wrote:

> On 05.10.16 23:52, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> Does anyone have any good experience with one of the various open source libraries for SVG graphics for C++ or C ?
>>
>> I am using Visual Studio 2015 on Windows 7.
>>

>> Thanks,
>> Lynn
>>
> maybe you can use
> From this web page:
>
> ZSVGA101.ZIP (288k)
> SVGACC26.ZIP (178k)
> SVGAPB26.ZIP (214k)
> SVGAPV26.ZIP (202k)
> SVGAQB26.ZIP (188k)
>
> at the site
> > http://www.zephyrsoftware.com/download/zdownld.html
>
> svgacc for 16bit and zsvga for 32 bit.

Thanks but this appears to be VGA library for DOS.

Lynn

[Lynn McGuire]

On 10/5/2016 9:04 PM, Malcolm McLean wrote:

> On Wednesday, October 5, 2016 at 10:52:20 PM UTC+1, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> Does anyone have any good experience with one of the various open
>> source libraries for SVG graphics for C++ or C ?
>>
>> I am using Visual Studio 2015 on Windows 7.
>>

> NanoSVG.
>
> A copy is in the Baby X resource compiler.
> (I've also remoulded it into an HTML canvas-compatible graphics
> context for Baby X. It's essentially independent of Baby X so you
> can just take the graphic context if you wish).
>
> Nano SVG
> https://github.com/memononen/nanosvg
>
> Baby X rsource compiler
> https://github.com/MalcolmMcLean/babyxrc
>
> Baby X
> https://github.com/MalcolmMcLean/babyx

Thanks ! I will look into it.

We are looking into adding SVG as a new shape library format for our homegrown diagram toolkit that we have been using since the 1980s.
https://www.winsim.com/media/refinery.png

Ideally, I would like to have SVG, PNG, BMP, JPEG, etc.

Sincerely,
Lynn McGuire

[Öö Tiib]

On Thursday, 6 October 2016 19:17:55 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 12:08:48 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> > As an atheist ... tl;dr
>
> How do atheists feel about ignorance?

I as atheist can answer that. Ignorance is the default state of mind.
We born ignorant and we will find out some things during our life.
With every new knowledge we will also have new caps of knowledge
but we will never know everything.

> When I was an atheist I was convinced I was right. And I was.

Sure, how else. You are omniscient. Regardless if atheist or
Christian. I am not convinced that I am right. I am convinced that
I *do* *not* *know*. So I look at potential risks what if.

* Is there risk to worship the superior beings in wrong way? Sure
there is. Looking at religions we have Christianity, Islam,
Hinduism, Buddhism and pile of various other religions. All have
different Gods that demand different things and ways to worship
Them. Worshiping potentially existing superior beings in offending
manner is risk to our existence.

* Is there risk that those superior beings do not exist? Sure there
is, there are no evidence about existence of any God on one hand
and every religious text is clearly in controversy with actual reality
and other religious texts on the other hand. Worshiping superior
beings that potentially do not exist is waste of resources. Hoping,
counting on and depending upon superior beings that potentially
do not exist is risk to our existence.

* Is there risk that superior beings do not care about us? Sure there
is. What superior being would let bloodthirsty extremists to do evil
things "in His will"? What superior being would let total nutjobs or
assholes to preach "in His name"? Only such who does not care
about that at all. It is both dangerous to pester and to count on
such beings that do not care.

* Is there risk that some superior being will torture me in hell all
eternity? Sounds like nonsense. I am weak and fallible but did no
crimes that deserve such punishments.

* Is there risk that I lose opportunity to reach Paradise full of
sensual pleasures with "big eyes", "full grown", "swelling" or
"pears-shaped" breasts, "appetizing vaginas" and "penises that
never soften"? Sounds similar scam and fraud like in the letters
where someone wants to share a treasure with me for small service
or where I won in lottery or where they want to sell me something
"ultra cheaply".

However telling that to you is waste of time since you are "always
right" and never listen to others.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 2:13:47 PM UTC-4, Öö Tiib wrote:
> On Thursday, 6 October 2016 19:17:55 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > When I was an atheist I was convinced I was right. And I was.
>
> Sure, how else. You are omniscient. Regardless if atheist or
> Christian. I am not convinced that I am right. I am convinced that
> I *do* *not* *know*. So I look at potential risks what if.

I was sure I was right. My worldly viewpoint back then was of the form,
"We may not know today, but someday man will figure it out. We will make
our own way eventually, and we don't need god to do it."

My view allowed for all people everywhere to believe as they wanted, so
long as they weren't hurting other people, and eventually man himself
would figure out the answers to all questions we have.

It was an all-inclusive viewpoint into every facet of existence ... except
that it rejected God. I later learned why that viewpoint was given to me,
and why so many other people still have it (in perhaps some slightly
varying forms).

> However telling that to you is waste of time since you are "always
> right" and never listen to others.

It is not me I point to as being right. I point you to Jesus Christ. He
said:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/john/14-6.htm
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no
man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Now that's a claim. It's either true or false. I have found in reading
the Bible that it is true. I have found that it is not only true, but
that it is completely true with truth so true that it shines out and
completely illuminates the darkness of ALL OTHER RELIGIONS.

It's why I occupy my time writing these things. I have found the truth
in Jesus Christ. I testify to the same. I testify to the light. I
testify to His gift of salvation for ALL who put their faith in Him. He
has no race barriers, no economic barriers, no social status barriers,
no barriers at all. He receives ALL who come to Him world-wide.

He teaches us that we are incapable of solving our problems on our own
because of sin, and that we need a Savior. He teaches that He is that
Savior, and He demonstrates the same by what He did at the cross.

I have looked at the evidence, and I stand firmly upon my faith and
proclaim in a loud steady voice for ALL to hear:

Jesus Christ is THE way, THE truth, and THE life. There is no
other way to get into Heaven. There is no other way to cleanse
yourself or make yourself right with God. It is ONLY Him, and
it is ALL Him.

What He has taught me I share with you. If you think you've found in
me some personal possession of infinite knowledge, or a claimed personal
possession of infinite knowledge, you are mistaken. I can only point you
to Him and His teachings, and I convey them as best I'm able, and where I
do not possess knowledge of every intricate detail of the Bible, I can
state categorically that as I have investigated things about the Bible,
EVERY LAST ONE of them has proven out.

It's all there for you, and every one else, to study and discover for
yourself. YOU DO NOT NEED ME to teach you any of it. All you have to do
is set your sights on the truth, and then pursue it with an honest effort.
GOD HIMSELF does the rest. Not me. And not you.

It is ALL God.

[Lynn McGuire]

On 10/5/2016 4:52 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> Does anyone have any good experience with one of the various open source libraries for SVG graphics for C++ or C ?
>
> I am using Visual Studio 2015 on Windows 7.
>

> Thanks,
> Lynn

As usual, I failed to mention that I did find a StackOverflow posting addressing this topic, "Render a vector graphic (.svg) in C++":
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4176637/render-a-vector-graphic-svg-in-c

Thanks,
Lynn

[Christian Gollwitzer]

Am 06.10.16 um 19:36 schrieb Lynn McGuire:

> On 10/5/2016 9:04 PM, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>> Nano SVG
>> https://github.com/memononen/nanosvg
>>
>> Baby X rsource compiler
>> https://github.com/MalcolmMcLean/babyxrc
>>
>> Baby X
>> https://github.com/MalcolmMcLean/babyx
>
> Thanks ! I will look into it.

Wow, Nano SVG is very impressive. example2.c is an SVG to PNG converter,
the PNG writer is 500 LOC and the whole Nano SVG lib is <5kLOC.

Thanks for pointing there!

Christian

[Öö Tiib]

On Thursday, 6 October 2016 21:53:59 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 2:13:47 PM UTC-4, Öö Tiib wrote:
> > On Thursday, 6 October 2016 19:17:55 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > > When I was an atheist I was convinced I was right. And I was.
> >
> > Sure, how else. You are omniscient. Regardless if atheist or
> > Christian. I am not convinced that I am right. I am convinced that
> > I *do* *not* *know*. So I look at potential risks what if.
>
> I was sure I was right. My worldly viewpoint back then was of the form,
> "We may not know today, but someday man will figure it out. We will make
> our own way eventually, and we don't need god to do it."

And now you are still as sure being "right". What did change is that now
you "rightness" additionally involves God.

> It was an all-inclusive viewpoint into every facet of existence ... except
> that it rejected God.

Yes there you advanced, you now know still everything about everything
plus you now know God too.

>
> > However telling that to you is waste of time since you are "always
> > right" and never listen to others.
>
> It is not me I point to as being right.

See, you snipped all where I told about humankind or Gods. There I did
not address you alone. That was uninteresting to you since you always
think and talk about yourself.

I now snip long sad story how you are illuminated with knowledge
of truth. We have read about it too lot already.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Öö Tiib wrote:

> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > I was sure I was right. My worldly viewpoint back then was of the form,
> > "We may not know today, but someday man will figure it out. We will make
> > our own way eventually, and we don't need god to do it."
>
> And now you are still as sure being "right". What did change
> is that now you "rightness" additionally involves God.

You misunderstand.

Because I /only/ knew the flesh-based reasoning, within that
constraint/limitation, my view was correct for this world. What I
didn't know then and had to be shown was the component of my
existence that was missing, the one that, because it was missing,
enabled me to believe the lie.

When I set my sights on discovering a true understanding of the Bible,
I was known to God as seeking the truth honestly and truly. As such,
He reached into invisible parts of my being and flipped the switch so
I could know the truth. And in so doing, I came to know Jesus, repent,
ask forgiveness, and was saved.

It took me /completely/ off guard. I was unprepared for the change,
and it was pervasive into every part of my life.

He then began teaching me truth, and I was then, and only then,
able to see the falseness for what it was: Satan's false teachings.

[Öö Tiib]

On Friday, 7 October 2016 03:13:24 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Öö Tiib wrote:
> > Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > > I was sure I was right. My worldly viewpoint back then was of the form,
> > > "We may not know today, but someday man will figure it out. We will make
> > > our own way eventually, and we don't need god to do it."
> >
> > And now you are still as sure being "right". What did change
> > is that now you "rightness" additionally involves God.
>
> You misunderstand.

I described exactly how things are; you always think and talk about
yourself and everything else including God is just your attribute.
In following paragraph you demonstrate it. Let me show to
everybody:

>
> Because I /only/ knew the flesh-based reasoning, within that
> constraint/limitation, my view was correct for this world.

"I", "me" -> You 2 : Jesus 0

> What I didn't know then and had to be shown was the component
> of my existence that was missing, the one that, because it was
> missing, enabled me to believe the lie.

"I", "my", "me" -> You 5 : Jesus 0

>
> When I set my sights on discovering a true understanding of the Bible,
> I was known to God as seeking the truth honestly and truly.

2 x "I", "God" -> You 7 : Jesus 1

> As such,
> He reached into invisible parts of my being and flipped the switch so
> I could know the truth.

"He", "my", "I" -> You 9 : Jesus 2

> And in so doing, I came to know Jesus, repent, ask forgiveness, and
> was saved.

"I", "Jesus" -> You 10 : Jesus 3

>
> It took me /completely/ off guard.

"me" -> You 11 : Jesus 3

> I was unprepared for the change, and it was pervasive into every
> part of my life.

"my", "I" -> You 13 : Jesus 3

>
> He then began teaching me truth, and I was then, and only then,
> able to see the falseness for what it was: Satan's false teachings.

"He", "I" -> You 14 : Jesus 4

So you have 350% of importance of Jesus in your story.
That is why I said it was pointless to tell you about humankind or
even God, you are too self-centered and everything-knowing so
you just snip what does not talk about you.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Öö Tiib wrote:
> So you have 350% of importance of Jesus in your story. That
> is why I said it was pointless to tell you about humankind or
> even God, you are too self-centered and everything-knowing
> so you just snip what does not talk about you.

It was my testimony, my explanation of what happened to me
through the conversion experience. God saved me, and He saves
all who come to Him repenting and asking forgiveness for their
sin. It's His free gift given out of love.

[Öö Tiib]

On Friday, 7 October 2016 13:18:15 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Öö Tiib wrote:
> > So you have 350% of importance of Jesus in your story. That
> > is why I said it was pointless to tell you about humankind or
> > even God, you are too self-centered and everything-knowing
> > so you just snip what does not talk about you.
>
> It was my testimony, my explanation of what happened to me
> through the conversion experience.

That was my point. Everything is always about how you describe
how you imagined how God was giving to you your superpowers
that you have out of love towards you and He is now sitting on
your right shoulder so you have now every right to annoy others.
Why don't you use your superpowers to fix your budget and home?
I imagine that bad talking serpent that sits on your left shoulder
does not let you?

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Öö Tiib wrote:
> [snip]

Let me be very clear for you:

(1) I can't teach a person anything about Jesus Christ unless
they are seeling the truth.
(2) When they are, it is not me teaching them, but it is God
teaching them from within, even though I use words.
(3) The words I use are His words, adapted to the individual or
group to meet them where they are, as by need.
(4) Without God drawing them from within, no learning is
possible.

It is all God. I merely speak His words, as He commanded.

You see Him as "imagined," Öö Tiib, because you are not seeking
the truth. You've already concluded the message is false, that He
doesn't exist, and therefore the message is wrong. It's what separates
you from Jesus Christ.

[Öö Tiib]

On Friday, 7 October 2016 14:48:55 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Öö Tiib wrote:

> > [snip]

I already wrote that Jesus likely was real rabbi and may be even is
God, I do not know that. I trust that it is safer to assume that God
does not exist until God has not revealed His will to me. God seems
content with that position of mine. God seems content with my
atheism.

> (1) I can't teach a person anything about Jesus Christ unless
> they are seeling the truth.

As rabbi Jesus taught altruism, humility and calmness as virtues.
You however always talk about yourself ad nauseum, therefore
what about Jesus Christ can be learned from you? Nothing ...
there are no "unless" part.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Friday, October 7, 2016 at 9:27:19 AM UTC-4, Öö Tiib wrote:
> [snip] ... I trust that it is safer to assume that God does not exist
> until God has not revealed His will to me ... [snip]

I have been trying to teach you to seek the truth, and do not assume things.
Just simply do this one thing:

Seek the truth. Honestly. Truly. The real truth.

You do not yet know what that truth is. That doesn't matter. Just set your
internal focus on finding the truth. WHEN YOU DO THIS, God knows that you
are seeking the truth, and then HE FLIPS THE INTERNAL SWITCH within the
invisible parts of your existence WHICH THEN make it possible to know the
truth.

Until you set your sights on the truth, no matter which way it takes you,
no matter whether it crushes all your previous thoughts about everything,
or affirms them, until you are ready to take THAT journey, you will NEVER
find the truth.

It's what I'm trying to teach you, Öö Tiib. It's the sole purpose of all
of these messages, to teach people how to come to know Jesus Christ as Lord
and Savior. It doesn't start with a mission to purposefully seek Jesus by
name, though it can start that way, but more generally it starts by seeking
after the truth (because Jesus is truth John 14:6).

Not everyone can do this, by the way. Some will never seek the truth and
are already self-damned. But for those who have an ear to hear the truth,
listen to what it says. Seek it out actively. In so doing, all who do this
find salvation, and eternal life, through Jesus Christ.

I can't make it more plain than that. If you cannot understand this, then
it's not something that's for you.

-----
I think I have asked you this before, but I have forgotten. How do you
pronounce your name? "Öö Tiib" is a completely unknown form to me. In
my mind I am pronouncing it as "Ow Tib" ("ow" as in "ouch"), and I'm
reasonably certain that's incorrect. :-)

[Mr Flibble]

On 07/10/2016 14:27, Öö Tiib wrote:
> On Friday, 7 October 2016 14:48:55 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> Öö Tiib wrote:
>>> [snip]
>
> I already wrote that Jesus likely was real rabbi and may be even is
> God, I do not know that. I trust that it is safer to assume that God

We know for a fact that Jesus as described in the Bible never existed
because we know evolution is a fact and evolution falsifies the Old
Testament and, because it is predicated on the Old Testament being true,
the New Testament.

/Flibble

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Evolution is not supported by observational science. It is an
interpretation of historical science (examining dead things which
reportedly happened when we were not there).

Evolution is not supported by genetics, outside of a very small
niche which is indicative of an explicit design allowing those
variations within the original design. The complexities involved
in the fundamental processes of life, what we know of them as we
are learning more and more each day, are beyond probability to
such an outrageous extent that they are totally impossible.

Here are some movies and a movie clip which outline this:

DNA's programming of life:
1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00vBqYDBW5s
2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPkBEYsG6EQ

God's Not Dead courtroom scene involving evidence that Jesus
was real, did die by crucifixion, and is held to be irrefutable
even by atheist scholars:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpZ1sDmIJP8

-----
What is supported directly and fully supported in both the historical
evidence, and observational evidence, is the Biblical account described
in Genesis 1 - 11. God created master kinds of animals, and these then
diverged through successive generations into the variations scene within
their kinds today.

Reading Genesis 1 - 11 you find the explanation of everything that we
find in historical science, observational science, and the science of
genetics research.

There is direct evidence which supports the Biblical account. There is
no evidence whatsoever that supports molecules-to-man evolution. It is
a fabrication designed by the enemy to remove God from people's thinking,
and all who do not seek the truth will be fooled by that teaching.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Evidence videos showing how DNA actually points to a creator, and to the
literal Biblical account. It explains how the various types of animals
came from the common kinds, and also how the various people groups were
introduced into the world's population:

Wonder of DNA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ACCIu3jPrc

Confirming Evidence of a Literal Adam and Eve:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deV99oPnKlI

One Race, One Blood:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbODW6XO8zY&t=16m02s

Even people who hold to the evolutionary model are saying now that "it
looks like creation, but it's not," always trying to push God away.

The truth is, in Jesus Christ are all things reconciled. All races are
one. Creation is His, and we are all part of His creation, loved by
Him. Sin is the enemy. We are the object of His efforts in saving us
from sin. We are eternal, and there is a day of accounting for our
lives here upon the Earth, and whether or not we will go forward into
eternity alive with Him or not is what we did with Him. As the Creator,
and as a Creator that is benevolent and full of love for His Creation,
to reject Him is to reject the entirety of everything that's right and
true, which is why He's putting sin away, which is what all those who
reject Him are pursuing (instead of Him).

The evidence is all there. Set your sights on the truth, and God Himself
will teach it all to you.

[Lynn McGuire]

On 10/7/2016 2:07 AM, Malcolm McLean wrote:

> You're welcome to raid the Baby X resource compiler.
> It handles all those formats.

Thanks !

Lynn

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Friday, October 7, 2016 at 12:32:34 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Friday, October 7, 2016 at 12:02:05 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > Here are some movies and a movie clip which outline this:
> >
> > DNA's programming of life:
> > 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00vBqYDBW5s
> > 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPkBEYsG6EQ
>

> Wonder of DNA:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ACCIu3jPrc
>
> Confirming Evidence of a Literal Adam and Eve:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deV99oPnKlI
>
> One Race, One Blood:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbODW6XO8zY&t=16m02s

It is absolutely clear to anyone examining the evidence that all of life
was not only engineered explicitly, but engineered by a master beyond all
imagination. The complexities involved, the systems involved, the layers
of dependencies involved ... it is beyond imagination complex. It screams
of a designer, and a designer that is absolutely astounding beyond words.

Seek the truth honestly and pursue this subject. You will find that you
have been lied to regarding evolution theories, and you will find that
the lie has been introduced for one reason: to remove God from creation.

There is an active enemy in your life working against you. That enemy is
there personally against you, plus generally against you as by these types
of false teachings introduced into mainstream societies.

Seek the truth in everything honestly and truly, and God Himself will make
sure you find the real answer, so that you will know the truth and that
truth will make you free.

[Öö Tiib]

This is sort of all-or-nothing logic. In reality something written in Bible
may be is correct and something may be is incorrect. We do not have
independent records or archeological evidences about kings named Saul,
David or Solomon living in Jerusalem nor their kingdoms and conquests.
So it may be there were no such kings. That does not mean that Jerusalem
does not exist.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Öö Tiib wrote:
> This is sort of all-or-nothing logic. In reality something written

> in Bible may be is correct and something may be is incorrect...

You are correct. That is what happens in this world. That is our
understanding.

What I am trying to teach you is that we are limited in our ability
to understand things because of sin, and what sin did to us by
making us spiritually dead.

When sin entered in and death through sin, we didn't die in our body,
but spiritually we did die. This limits us to only having OUR input given
to us by our natural senses. Our existence is then completely blind
to spiritual matters, and to such an extent that a demon could walk up
and enter your body and you'd be unaware of it. You'd just think you
were feeling a particular way, or were born a certain way. You would
not be able to tell that the way you feel is the result of the intruder
influence, rather than your own self. And if someone like me told
you that it was the result of an unseen intruder influence, you'd laugh
me to shame.

It's why I can't teach you these things, but can only repeat what He
has taught us to you so that if you are seeking the truth, He will affirm
within you by giving you the understanding of His own teaching through
my words, yet in a way you can understand.

Because of sin, all people are born blind to spiritual matters. Satan
takes advantage of that and influences you spiritually, manipulating
your feelings, thoughts, emotions, beliefs, influences, so that you
will follow his guidance into more sin and more harm to yourself and
other people.

Jesus came to set us free from death. He does this by taking our sin
away so we are no longer spiritually dead, and we can then no longer
be blind to spiritual matters, but rather God speaks to us to teach
us truth and falseness. We can then know Satan's attacks and turn
away from them and call them out, even teaching others.

But, it's not possible to know any of this without God first drawing a
person from within to be able to know it. He flips the switch. He makes
the change. He enables truth to be known, so that we can see our sin,
repent, ask forgiveness, and be saved.

Then, and only then, through faith, by the spirit, can we then know with
certainty the things which cannot otherwise be known in this world.
Then do we have proof, and it's not even hard to see or understand,
as it is spiritually discerned and is simply known, just as easily as us
knowing what warm sunlight feels like on our face, or the haunting
fragrance of fresh cut violets.

The spirit gives us the ability to know that which the flesh could not know.

http://www.biblehub.com/kjv/hebrews/11-1.htm
11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence
of things not seen.

http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_corinthians/2-14.htm
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the
Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither
can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

You must be born again (of the spirit). Nicodemus didn't understand
this either. But because he sought the truth, God opened up his
understanding and he later received and buried the body of Jesus:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/john/3.htm

Just seek the truth. God will do the rest. All yoiu have to do is
set your full focus on the truth, honestly desiring to know it, even
if you don't know what it might be.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> The spirit gives us the ability to know that which the flesh
> could not know.
>
> http://www.biblehub.com/kjv/hebrews/11-1.htm
> 11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the
> evidence of things not seen.
>
> http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_corinthians/2-14.htm
> 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the
> Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him:
> neither can he know them, because they are spiritually
> discerned.
>
> You must be born again (of the spirit). Nicodemus didn't
> understand this either. But because he sought the truth, God
> opened up his understanding and he later received and
> buried the body of Jesus:
>
> http://biblehub.com/kjv/john/ 3.htm
>
> Just seek the truth. God will do the rest. All yoiu have to do
> is set your full focus on the truth, honestly desiring to know
> it, even if you don't know what it might be.

Additional info:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_john/5-4.htm

4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and
this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

We need God to overcome. We need Jesus Christ to make us free.

[Mr Flibble]

The Bible isn't the only source for determining the existence of
Jerusalem: we can fly to Israel and actually visit it. The Old
Testament is the ONLY source for the existence of people related to Adam
and Eve: Adam who was magically created out of dust and Eve who was
magically created out of Adam's rib.

There is absolutely no evidence CONTEMPORARY to Jesus's supposed
existence of his existence, none.

/Flibble

[Öö Tiib]

AFAIK some independent scholars of first century (for example Titus Flavius
Josephus and Publius Cornelius Tacitus) do mention Jesus in their writings.
We may doubt how high quality evidence it is but "absolutely no evidence"
is incorrect.

[Mr Flibble]

Their writings are not contemporary: they were made many years AFTER
Jesus's supposed death. So I am correct in what I said: there is
absolutely no evidence of Jesus's supposed existence, none.

/Flibble

[woodb...@gmail.com]

J.S. Bach's faith inspired him to write thousands
of great songs:

Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwWL8Y-qsJg

Another tune he wrote is called "Sheep may safely graze."
This is part of our heritage.

My faith in G-d inspired me to start a company that
develops quality software. That was 16 years ago.
To this day G-d keeps helping me to build the company.


Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises
http://webEbenezer.net

[Gareth Owen]

woodb...@gmail.com writes:

> J.S. Bach's faith inspired him to write thousands
> of great songs:

And Keith Richard's massive drug intake inspired him to write hundreds
of great songs. And Jerry Garcia, and Dylan, and Lennon & McCartney.

Still doesn't make intravenous drug use a smart lifestyle choice.