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The Lord calls out to you for repentance, salvation

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Rick C. Hodgin

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Mar 11, 2017, 8:33:10 AM3/11/17
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The message is simple: He wants to forgive your sin and give you eternal
life in the paradise of God.

If you have sin, you need a savior. And all of us have sin. And all of
us need a savior.

Jesus is that savior. He came to the Earth for that purpose (to set men
free from the judgment of God for our sin, and to give us eternal life
in the paradise of God, restored to the creations God created us to be
before sin entered in and wrecked everything).

(1) Jesus loves you.
(2) He wants to forgive you.
(3) Go to church this Sunday and learn from those who have studied
the Bible what things God has to guide you in your life.

God guides us toward holiness, toward His light and life, toward right
ways to live as His creation. And, He leads us always toward those
things which are of repentance, guidance and teaching and uplifting
and helping and loving one another. he does this because He wants us
to come to Him and repent in this world, and then live our lives for
Him teaching others.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

Juha Nieminen

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Mar 13, 2017, 3:25:01 AM3/13/17
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Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The message is simple: He wants to forgive your sin and give you eternal
> life in the paradise of God.

Fuck off, you hypocrite. You don't even yourself follow your own holy book.

Rick C. Hodgin

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Mar 13, 2017, 5:10:49 AM3/13/17
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Juha Nieminen wrote:
> .. you hypocrite. You don't even yourself follow your own holy book.

How so?

Rick C. Hodgin

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Mar 13, 2017, 5:51:46 AM3/13/17
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An inspiring message for the heart in repentance:

The Judgment Seat of Christ
Leonard Ravenhill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP22kA70cdM

God encourages you toward holiness and service to Him and His eternal
Kingdom ... even while we are yet here on Earth.

It is the highest privilege to serve the Lord.

kushal bhattacharya

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Mar 17, 2017, 6:25:58 AM3/17/17
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please dont post any ritualistic posts in this group perhaps only programming reated issues or posts are welcome here

Rick C. Hodgin

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Mar 17, 2017, 7:43:54 AM3/17/17
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kushal bhattacharya, you misunderstand the purpose of my posts.

http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/28.htm
http://biblehub.com/kjv/acts/4-19.htm

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power
is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in
the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have
commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end
of the world. Amen.

It is about your eternal soul, not rituals.

kushal bhattacharya

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Mar 17, 2017, 8:42:45 AM3/17/17
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sorry could you please help me out in my post i really need help from you guys

Rick C. Hodgin

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Mar 17, 2017, 8:53:20 AM3/17/17
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On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 8:42:45 AM UTC-4, kushal bhattacharya wrote:
> sorry could you please help me out in my post i really need help from you guys

Has anyone ever taught you about God? About sin? About punishment
for sin? About Jesus coming to the Earth to save us from that
punishment?

It is these things I teach about because they are the only way to
have eternal life (to be forgiven of our sin, putting us in right
standing before a Holy God).

kushal bhattacharya

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Mar 17, 2017, 9:31:05 AM3/17/17
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ok i get it man

Juha Nieminen

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Mar 20, 2017, 3:38:06 AM3/20/17
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Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> kushal bhattacharya, you misunderstand the purpose of my posts.

Nobody cares about your posts, you lying hypocrite.

Your magical incantations aren't real. They aren't going to magically
affect people, no matter how much you believe they do. And it makes
you a hypocrite that even you yourself don't follow your own holy
scripture. So just shut up, hypocrite.

Rick C. Hodgin

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Mar 20, 2017, 8:23:29 AM3/20/17
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On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 3:38:06 AM UTC-4, Juha Nieminen wrote:
> Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > kushal bhattacharya, you misunderstand the purpose of my posts.
>
> Nobody cares about your posts, you lying hypocrite.

I've asked you before: How am I a hypocrite?

> Your magical incantations aren't real. They aren't going to magically
> affect people, no matter how much you believe they do. And it makes
> you a hypocrite that even you yourself don't follow your own holy
> scripture. So just shut up, hypocrite.

I agree with you that magic doesn't work. That's why there is no
magic to it, Juha. It's a spirit ... His Holy Spirit. It's not
flesh. It's not magic. It's the third part of our being, the one
that we lost when original sin entered the world. Jesus takes our
sin away, which restores that lost part. It is from within that
restoration that we are able to follow after God and understand
those things He has for us.

Juha Nieminen

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Mar 21, 2017, 3:01:19 AM3/21/17
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Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 3:38:06 AM UTC-4, Juha Nieminen wrote:
>> Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > kushal bhattacharya, you misunderstand the purpose of my posts.
>>
>> Nobody cares about your posts, you lying hypocrite.
>
> I've asked you before: How am I a hypocrite?

And I have told you several times: Because even you yourself don't
follow the scriptures you are preaching to others.

Rick C. Hodgin

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Mar 21, 2017, 6:41:29 AM3/21/17
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Juha Nieminen wrote:
> And I have told you several times: Because even you yourself
> don't follow the scriptures you are preaching to others.

Such as ... ?

Daniel

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Mar 21, 2017, 8:44:34 AM3/21/17
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On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 6:41:29 AM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> Such as ... ?
>
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Rick C. Hodgin

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Mar 21, 2017, 9:03:45 AM3/21/17
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It is a common conclusion for people to reach that Christians are
judging others when they teach about those things Jesus taught us.
But there is more to it than that.

For example, have you ever read the whole of that sermon?

http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/5.htm
http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/6.htm
http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/7.htm

Jesus is guiding people toward the things they should do. But even
that is not the end of His speaking on the matter. He later gives
His disciples a commandment wherein He instructs them to go forth
and teach all people world-wide about Him, about sin, about the free
gift of salvation offered by God to all.

The commandment given to the people to go forth and teach them to obey
all things God has commanded:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/28.htm

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given
unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded
you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the
world. Amen.

And Jesus gave us a new literal commandment:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/john/13-34.htm

34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another;
as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

Such a love does not allow the people (non-believers) around us
(Christians) to go forth in their life untaught. We lead by the
example of our life (in how we live our lives), but we also teach
with our mouths those things God would have us do.

As with Jesus, we do not want anyone to perish. But people in and
of themselves will not seek out knowledge of God because of our sin
nature. We will run away from that knowledge, which is why the
knowledge must be brought to them. It's actually a prayer that we
are to pray oft, in that Jesus said:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/luke/10-2.htm

2 Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly is great, but
the labourers are few: pray ye therefore the Lord of the
harvest, that he would send forth labourers into his harvest.

We (people) are the harvest. The laborers are Christians who then
go out into the harvest fields (the peoples of the world) and teach
them the truth about God, so that those who have an ear to hear will
hear that truth, be converted, and be saved.

We are sowing seeds of the message of truth to all people, so that
those who have an ear to hear His message will hear and be saved.
It is literally for that group of people who will be saved that we
labor. It is not for those who will not be saved, for they are
already self-condemned (http://biblehub.com/kjv/john/3-18.htm).

-----
The things I teach in this group and others relate to those things
the Lord has given us, and those things He has warned us HE WILL
JUDGE. His Judgment will come with finality, after a life lived
in rebellion against His many attempts to reach out and save a soul.
Only then, after that witness has been demonstrated sufficiently
will the person then be cast into Hell, and it will be by their own
conscious choice to run away from God, away from truth, away from
the free offer of salvation through Jesus Christ following what He
did on the cross.

-----
Bottom line:

I have no judgment to lay down upon anyone, and I do not judge anyone.
I hold all people's actions and works under scrutiny against scripture,
and that includes my own, and I am able to conclude an assessment of
where people are (and where I am) relative to what scripture teaches.
That is our responsibility as Christians, so we know how to walk in
this world.

God gave us this as a right and proper course as we are called to
rightly divide the word of truth (biblehub.com/kjv/2_timothy/2-15.htm),
which is an ongoing, in all cases, at all times, without vacation,
teaching ministry.

We are His servants here, but we are also His ambassadors. When we
go out, we are going forth as Citizens of His Kingdom, and not
merely as inhabitors of the Earth. We are here to do His will, and
not the will of this world. And the things we teach are of His
Kingdom, which He is offering to all people today, so that those who
have an ear to hear can hear His message, come out from the deception
of the world, and be saved.

Daniel

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Mar 21, 2017, 9:46:21 AM3/21/17
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On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 9:03:45 AM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> teach
>
You're not teaching, you're blathering :-) And annoying. I need to figure out how to use that kill file and kill sub thread thing.

Daniel

Rick C. Hodgin

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Mar 21, 2017, 9:55:30 AM3/21/17
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Mr. Miyagi once said: "There is no such thing as bad student. Only
bad teacher. Teacher say. Student do." But ... I have to disagree
with his conclusion. There while there are definitely bad teachers,
there are also bad students, and both of them exist directly as the
result of original sin, our sin nature, and our ability to know both
good and evil, and our inability to know the spiritual difference
between the two.

Daniel ... if you think I'm a bad teacher, then I would ask you this:

If God and Jesus were true, and there really was sin, and there
really was eternal judgment for sin, and that place of confinement
for the eternal judgment for sin really was Hellfire ... would you
want to know in advance? Would you want to know the truth?

Only you can answer that question for you. But if your answer is
"yes," then don't rely upon my failings to be the reason why you then
don't press in and pursue the matter. Seek out the true and real
information for yourself. The answers are there before you, and God
WILL open up your understanding to receive it ... if you will come to
Him wanting to know the truth (even if you don't yet know what that
truth is).

Do not let anyone stand in the way of you coming to the true and
right knowledge of a thing. Not me. Not your family. Not your
spouse. Not your kids. Not anyone. You owe it to yourself and
everyone in your life to discover the truth, and to be able to know
for yourself with unreserved assuredness ... so that you can then
be walking in this world as you should, teaching others as you
should, and not be being deceived by other inputs and sources such
that you are misguided, and are then also misguiding others.

You are a most valuable creation, Daniel. It's why Jesus did for
you what He did at the cross. But it's still up to you to receive
it. And the only way to receive it is to know that it is real. And
the only way to know if it is real is to taste and see for yourself,
to seek out for yourself, to see if Rick is crazy, or if Rick is a
right servant of God doing his best to reach others.

Seek the truth, Daniel. It will literally make you free.

Tristan B. Kildaire

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Mar 21, 2017, 10:34:28 AM3/21/17
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C++ needs salvation.

Rick C. Hodgin

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Mar 21, 2017, 10:43:19 AM3/21/17
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On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 10:34:28 AM UTC-4, Tristan B. Kildaire wrote:
> C++ needs salvation.

I'm working on that too:

CAlive -- It's C extended to include the basic class, and with
some new features of my own added in:

To all: Please consider joining the Google Group, and participating in
the project. It is an offering of the best we possess as the unique
and special people we are ... but with a twist: Instead of just giving
our talents to other people, we explicitly give them back to God (from
whom they came), and to other people. In doing this, we honor Him with
the fruits of those things He first gave us.

If you are able to code at the levels necessary to write a compiler,
and have a desire within you to give back to God, then please consider
coming to the project and helping out. Your contribution would make
a difference.

CAlive and the RDC (Rapid Development Compiler) framework, a
generic framework which allows compilers to be written within,
allowing rapid creation of new compilers for other languages,
and all with the features and support of the base framework.

Kind of like a GCC, but one where we honor God explicitly with
our offering:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/caliveprogramminglanguage
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/rapid_development_compiler

Tristan B. Kildaire

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I'm so confused. Does Pope Francis maintain his own popecc?


Rick C. Hodgin

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Mar 21, 2017, 11:08:47 AM3/21/17
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> I'm so confused. Does Pope Francis maintain his own popecc?

I don't know. I have any affiliation with the Pope.

As a Christian, I desire to offer up the fruits of the skills and talents
God first gave me back to Him in an honoring and pleasing way.

I looked into supporting GNU and Linux before I began on this project.
I found Richard Stallman believes in very anti-Christian things (such
as pedophilia, necrophilia). And Linus Torvalds is exceedingly vulgar
and rude.

I realized I did not want to contribute to entities led by such men.
So, I created my own Christ-seeking entity called Liberty Software
Foundation. It was to be like Free Software Foundation, but it was
to be for Christ.

I began on July 12, 2012, and have continued since on my first
project, which was a follow-on replacement for Visual FoxPro.

http://www.visual-freepro.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

Due to the Christian nature of the project, I could never get people
to help me until 2015. And when I did get someone to help me, it
was for about three months.

I've learned people do not want to give their talents back to God.
They want to run away from God toward the things of this world. It
makes it a very lonely journey thus far. But, I know the value of
serving Him with the fullness of my life ... so I press on unabated.

There are many aspects of the project I'm involved on. Software
development is only one part. I desire to build an entire hardware
and software stack devoted to an offering devoted to God. It is a
way we can create an entire machine, including all aspects of the
manufacturing, which tie back to using our talents not for money,
not for corporate gains, not to take advantage of people by selling
them something that costs us $200 to make for $2000 because the
market will bear such a cost, but rather to be fair, and equitable,
and to make people's lives better. To give them tools they can fix
and repair themselves with minimal cost and time, rather than the
current practice of producing throw-away devices.

I have a phone right now with a bad power switch. I've been told
by the phone people it can't be repaired by their services, and that
I need to throw it away and buy another one.

I never want to do that to people. I want to give them solutions in
all areas of their life which empower them to be more, do more, learn
more, move further, reach out with their personal unique and special
expression of self, but to guide them toward doing so in a manner
which acknowledges God as their creator.

It's a mission toward those things those who enter into eternity will
do for all eternity, being as they will be in His presence without end.
But it is our offering, by choice, by conscious choice, here upon this
Earth ... an honor of Him in our lives, for all He's done for us, not
just in our lives and abilities and talents and opportunities, but even
more so for what He did for us at the cross, making it possible for us
to then be with Him forever.

For His great gift ... it's the least we can do to return our lives to
Him here on this Earth, explicitly acknowledging Him with the full and
rich goodness of all of our talents and abilities, coming together as
this community of believers, to give to Him and the world an offering
of those things He first gave us, lifted up to Him so that we are in
all ways honoring Him.

It is our greatest Earthly gift ... to do all for Him, as we go through
our lives doing all the things we do as the unique and special people
we all are.

He has unique and diverse plans for us here upon the Earth. We need
not lose any degree of individuality in acknowledging Him in His right-
ful place as our Lord and Savior. He wants us to be programmers, and
bricklayers, and cooks, and teachers, and CEOs and everything else ...
but He wants us to do it for Him, to help His people, to guide His
people to His Son, to lead in our lives by example, also teaching with
our words.

He wants us to hold Him in the place to which He deserves us to hold
Him. He is God Almighty ... and we should acknowledge Him as such as
we then go forth doing the things we'll do.

Tristan B. Kildaire

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I can agree with you that Richard Stallman is fucked in the head.

Tristan B. Kildaire

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Mar 21, 2017, 12:49:41 PM3/21/17
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TL;DR. But I agree with a lot of what you said. RMS is fucked up and
Torvalds is rude.

I wish well to your foundation and its projects. Maybe oneday I will
step by. I am a Roman Catholic.

Rick C. Hodgin

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On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 12:49:41 PM UTC-4, Tristan B. Kildaire wrote:
> ...I am a Roman Catholic.

Perhaps you are a Roman Catholic, but you bear much evidence that you
do not know Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

If that fact matters to you ... you must do your due diligence to pursue
Jesus Christ, lest you be cast into Hell with the rest of the non-
believers:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/7.htm

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter
into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of
my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils?
and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart
from me, ye that work iniquity.

Bonita Montero

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Am 11.03.2017 um 14:32 schrieb Rick C. Hodgin:

> The message is simple: He wants to forgive your sin and give
> you eternal life in the paradise of God.
> ...

I'm sure there are newsgroups which appropriate for such postings.
But here you are wrong.

--
http://facebook.com/bonita.montero/

Rick C. Hodgin

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On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 1:25:06 PM UTC-4, Bonita Montero wrote:
> Am 11.03.2017 um 14:32 schrieb Rick C. Hodgin:
>
> > The message is simple: He wants to forgive your sin and give
> > you eternal life in the paradise of God.
> > ...
>
> I'm sure there are newsgroups which appropriate for such postings.
> But here you are wrong.

The Lord came to save everybody who will be saved, Bonita. Even the
people who won't go to those "appropriate" newsgroups because they
contain messages about "religious stuff."

It's the very reason we are commanded to go forth and teach all people
worldwide, to teach even those people in the "inappropriate" places
where sinners hang out, even to the "inappropriate newsgroups" where
other subjects are discussed.

FWIW, I only go to the places where I have personal interest. I have
no interest in those "appropriate" newsgroups because they often talk
about religion. Christianity is not religion, it's a close, personal
relationship with Jesus Christ. We come to Him asking for forgiveness,
and in so doing are saved. We are then alive spiritually, able to walk
with Him throughout the rest of our days. It's not religion, it's a
literal transformation.

This change is available to all people ... even the people in these
types of technical forums. It's why I teach the same here (because
others are not doing it).

The message goes out to everyone, Bonita, but not everyone is going
to be saved. And this message of salvation is ONLY for those people
who are being saved. It is not for other people.

Richard

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[Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]

*PLONK*

Another fucking idiot joins the others in my KILL file.
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Rick C. Hodgin

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On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 4:22:18 PM UTC-4, Richard wrote:
> *PLONK*
> Another .. idiot joins the others in my KILL file.

Oh Richard! You are traveling at highest speed into self-destruction.
You are moving with reckless disregard for all cries of warning, of
all attempts to grab your arm and get your attention. You are moving
at breakneck speed toward a destination that will swallow you whole
forever.

What makes me weep is that it doesn't have to end that way for you!
You can be saved, Richard! You have value and merit and there is the
free gift of eternal life which you too can possess! Do you want to
be destroyed at the end of your time here on Earth? Or do you want
to live on and explore the wonders and riches of this enormous
universe? And even more?

The day is coming, Richard, such that unless you repent and ask Jesus
to forgive your sin, things for you will change. At the end of your
life on this world, your pride will not only catch up with you, but
will run you over like a steamroller when you stand in God's court.
It will rise up and take hold of you and be the total and complete
end of you ... forever. Never again will this universe have the
benefit of any of your input, no matter how grand or small ... forever.

In short: you are hardening your heart to the point where your very
existence in this universe will be utterly and completely ceased...
where you will never partake of anything beneficial ever again, never
yield forth knowledge or assistance or enjoy reward ever again.

Unless you repent and ask Jesus to forgive your sin, Richard, you
will be ended permanently.

Is that what you want for your existence? To be utterly crushed in
fullest Hellfire?

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

PS - Can someone please re-post that so Richard can read it?

Öö Tiib

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On Tuesday, 21 March 2017 19:35:59 UTC+2, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Christianity is not religion, it's a close, personal
> relationship with Jesus Christ. We come to Him asking for forgiveness,
> and in so doing are saved.

Jesus Christ does not either exist or does not want you to rave here.
What a god would need raving lunatics like you to post about him
in inappropriate places? Why? Nonsense. Gods are not supposed
to be that powerless.

Rick C. Hodgin

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There is one reason why you feel my posts are the ravings of a
lunatic, because they aren't. It's because there's an enemy of
God at work in this world who teaches us falsely. He teaches
against our sin nature so that we naturally drawn toward His
teachings. He is also present with us in our daily lives, such
that we, also by influence of our sin nature, are able to be
deceived with false thoughts, false feelings, being able to
conclude that something which is right and true and proper (the
teachings of Jesus Christ, for example) are, in our view, not
proper. That doesn't change their validity, however.

If you take the time to pursue the knowledge and Kingdom of
Jesus Christ, as taught in the Bible, then you will come to
understand things correctly, which will lead to you coming to
Christ and receiving salvation.

I urge you to do this, Öö Tiib. You are a beautiful and truly
remarkable creation of God. He has prepared a place for you
in Heaven and I would like to see you paint that place with
all that is uniquely and distinctly you, making it your Home,
making it out to your style and stamp.

Until we are forgiven for our sin, the only future we have is
in Hellfire because of judgment for sin. But if Jesus forgives
our sin, and takes it away from us, then we are set free and
our future will be in God's paradise in Heaven with Him for
all eternity, outside of time even ... existing in a way we do
not yet know, and cannot even speak about here upon the Earth
in our present form (http://biblehub.com/kjv/2_corinthians/12-4.htm).

There is so much more ahead, Öö Tiib. I don't want you or anyone
else to miss out on any of it. Jesus makes it possible for us to
have all of it. He, and He alone, because of what He did for us
at the cross.

Tristan B. Kildaire

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Technically, that god would not be powerless. He would have power to get
his followers to do so.

Anyway.

Tristan B. Kildaire

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I really like your Liberty Software Foundation. You seem like a really
intelligent person. I will keep in touch.

Tristan

Popping mad

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On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 07:49:28 -0700, Öö Tiib wrote:

> Jesus Christ

he was the work of the devil designed to kill the Jews and enslave
humanity. And it is working

Rick C. Hodgin

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The truth is different than this lie, "Popping mad." He is the Son of
God, the Savior of mankind:

http://biblehub.com/john/1.htm
29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look,
the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!"
30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred
before me: for he was before me.
31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel,
therefore am I come baptizing with water.
32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from
heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the
same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending,
and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy
Ghost.
34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

The only people who will know this to be true are those who will be
saved. The rest will never see it.
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