OT: Help to disprove this theory

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Do you know of anyone who can disprove this theory either
scientifically or Biblically?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGdVtSh4wRs

It's a theory that states our solar system was created by God in the
beginning to manufacture subsequent Earths. Each Earth exists for a
"season" which is the 7,000 Biblical cycle of in-service duty. This is
followed by reclamation and recycling as the next planet steps up to
serve the role of the next Earth, as the current Earth goes into
recycling.

The theory follows from the natural lines we see on the NOAA and GEBCO
maps indicating the Earth used to be smaller (trace the lines backward
and they all fit together on a smaller Earth). The size of the smaller
Earth and the current Earth's size indicated hints at the planets in
line being part of a solar system assembly line of sorts. The rest of
the manufacturing process also naturally followed from that realization.

You can see THE EARTH SEA FLOOR MAPS on the links at
http://www.3alive.org.

There's source code for the simulation at that link also if interested.

I'd really like it if someone could disprove this theory. It's been a
burden for me to bear since 2009. I'd like some hard fact that could
say it absolutely could not be like this.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Lew Pitcher]

On Thu, 04 Mar 2021 11:42:59 -0500, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> Do you know of anyone who can disprove this theory either scientifically
> or Biblically?

[snip]

It is not ours to disprove; it is yours to prove

1) "onus probandi", which is
the obligation on a party in a dispute to provide sufficient warrant
for their position.

2) Hitchens's razor:
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without
evidence.

3) The "Sagan standard":
extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

--
Lew Pitcher
"In Skills, We Trust"

[Mr Flibble]

Well put but it will fall of deaf ears I'm afraid as the spamming trolling idiot
relies on faith and the irrational rather than science, logic and the rational.

/Flibble

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[Lew Pitcher]

See, also, "Russell's teapot", in that the philosophic burden of proof
lies upon a person making unfalsifiable claims, rather than shifting the
burden of disproof to others.

[Bonita Montero]

Can you please post your thoughts where they are appropriate ?

[Anton Shepelev]

Lew Pitcher:

> See, also, "Russell's teapot", in that the philosophic
> burden of proof lies upon a person making unfalsifiable
> claims

In my opinion, unfalsifiable clams are useless in that they
contain no meaninful information.

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[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 18:43:21 -0000 (UTC)
Lew Pitcher <lew.p...@digitalfreehold.ca> wrote:

> On Thu, 04 Mar 2021 11:42:59 -0500, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> > Do you know of anyone who can disprove this theory either
> > scientifically or Biblically?
> [snip]
>
> It is not ours to disprove; it is yours to prove

Until our telescopes capture a planet ferry bringing a prototype
Earth being constructed from one planet to another, and we see it
exiting or entering at the pole of that planet, it's unprovable.

However, it should be easy to disprove if other theories are correct.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 20:21:14 +0100
Bonita Montero <Bonita....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Can you please post your thoughts where they are appropriate ?

I marked it Off-Topic. Too much reality for you? Can't handle it?

Seriously. If this theory is correct, it must change the thinking of
every human being on the planet. It deserves attention.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Lew Pitcher]

You are, then, accorded all the permission we can grant to prove or
disprove your hypothesis. I guess that you are in for a lifetime of
staring through a telescope, hoping to catch a deity shuffling planets
around.

Luck be with you.

[Stuart Redmann]

Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Do you know of anyone who can disprove this theory either
> scientifically or Biblically?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGdVtSh4wRs
>
> It's a theory that states our solar system was created by God in the
> beginning to manufacture subsequent Earths. Each Earth exists for a
> "season" which is the 7,000 Biblical cycle of in-service duty. This is
> followed by reclamation and recycling as the next planet steps up to
> serve the role of the next Earth, as the current Earth goes into
> recycling.
>
> The theory follows from the natural lines we see on the NOAA and GEBCO
> maps indicating the Earth used to be smaller (trace the lines backward
> and they all fit together on a smaller Earth). The size of the smaller
> Earth and the current Earth's size indicated hints at the planets in
> line being part of a solar system assembly line of sorts. The rest of
> the manufacturing process also naturally followed from that realization.

One counter-argument against the assembly line theory would be that the
continents only fit together when they lie on a sphere with the same
diameter as Earth’s current diameter. If you somehow took the continents
from Earth and put them on a smaller sphere, they would no longer fit
together. They only fit together in the „current“ Earth. This indicates
that they formed a singular land mass, which is also indicated by
extrapolating their current drift into the past.

BTW, what means „Biblical Cycle”? Is this one year?

Regards,
Stuart

[Rick C. Hodgin]

That's not true. Here's someone who put together a video showing how
they fit together on a smaller Earth. Also, if you measure the surface
area of the Earth (including those areas under water that are shallow
and clearly part of the original content structures, and adjust back
for their flattening out and spreading out over time, it's very close
to the surface area of Mars today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJfBSc6e7QQ

Neal Adams is not a Christian, and he simply believes all the plants
are growing.

But the Earth's continents do fit together perfectly on a smaller Earth.

> BTW, what means „Biblical Cycle”? Is this one year?

Biblical Cycle = 7,000 years.

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Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

On 05/03/2021 16:53, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 17:36:01 +0100
> Stuart Redmann <DerT...@web.de> wrote:
>
>> Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Do you know of anyone who can disprove this theory either

> But the Earth's continents do fit together perfectly on a smaller Earth.

A continent is only a continent because the fucking oceans are covering the land
between the continents, fucktard. Continental drift happens as evidenced by the
various trenches on the seabed and it happened over the period of billions of
years not thousands. Go back to school and learn science properly you god
bothering fruit loop.

/Flibble

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[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 17:00:29 +0000
Mr Flibble <fli...@i42.REMOVETHISBIT.co.uk> wrote:
> > But the Earth's continents do fit together perfectly on a smaller
> > Earth.
>

> A continent is only a continent because the .. oceans are
> covering the land between the continents, .. .

Yes. You take the continents that exist today with oceans between them
and work backward toward the formation they were in before they split
off and became separated.

This video does that (begins at 3:10):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJfBSc6e7QQ&t=3m10s

> Continental drift
> happens as evidenced by the various trenches on the seabed and it
> happened over the period of billions of years not thousands. Go back
> to school and learn science properly you god bothering fruit loop.

Yes, you can see those "scrapings" along the bottom of the sea floor in
the maps on my website:

http://www.3alive.org
http://www.3alive.org/images/2008__sea_floor_age__map_perspective.png
http://www.3alive.org/images/2008__sea_floor_age__continent_perspectives.png

The man on that video talks about millions of years, but if you adjust
the scale to the time approximately from the flood (4400 years ago) to
the time approximately at/around the time of Jesus (2000 years ago),
then the increase coincides with Biblical markers.

People began living fewer years after the flood. Many of the animals
that exist before the flood did not survive for long after the flood,
namely the dinosaurs and big animals like that.

The Earth changed. The flood covered the entire world. Where'd all
that water go? It receded away from the land because the surface area
of the Earth grew, and the continents began to separate. The water
went to fill in the places that expanding, providing also coolant for
the upcoming magma that serves as a band-aid for the expansion.

Now, Leigh, this is a theory. I could be wrong. I'm looking for
something to disprove it. Claims of millions or billions of years also
theory. They do not disprove it.

I'm looking for proof. I'm seeking the truth. If you're able to
participate, please do. But please refrain from profanity and
obscenity. You're better than that. You have more to offer than that.

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Rick C. Hodgin

[Chris Vine]

On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 15:31:38 -0500

"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

[snip]

> Now, Leigh, this is a theory. I could be wrong. I'm looking for
> something to disprove it. Claims of millions or billions of years also
> theory. They do not disprove it.

Your mental instability is getting the better of you. Your proposition
is not a theory, it is a conjecture, and an absurd one at that.
Theories (such as the one your offhand remarks appear to be trying to
disparage) are supported by experimental or other evidence, and you have
none at all. Until you have some evidence for your absurd conjecture
which is capable of surplanting the theories which are supported by
evidence, your life would be made more supportable if you obtained
medical assistance.

Also, sticking "OT" in the header doesn't mean it is OK to post your
off topic nonsense.

[Joe Pfeiffer]

"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> writes:

> Do you know of anyone who can disprove this theory either
> scientifically or Biblically?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGdVtSh4wRs
>
> It's a theory that states our solar system was created by God in the
> beginning to manufacture subsequent Earths. Each Earth exists for a
> "season" which is the 7,000 Biblical cycle of in-service duty. This is
> followed by reclamation and recycling as the next planet steps up to
> serve the role of the next Earth, as the current Earth goes into
> recycling.

Coincidentally, last night's Gospel reading in Mass was the
parable of Lazarus and the rich man, from Luke. You may recall the rich
man ends up asking Abraham to send Lazarus to his brothers, that he
might warn them what awaits if they don't change their ways. After some
back and forth Abraham says, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the
Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the
dead.’

Similarly, if the existing copious fossil record, carbon-14 dating, and,
well, *everything* else isn't enough to convince you that this "theory"
is utter nonsense, then there is no proof you will accept.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 21:57:22 +0000
Chris Vine <chris@cvine--nospam--.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 15:31:38 -0500
> "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [snip]
> > Now, Leigh, this is a theory. I could be wrong. I'm looking for
> > something to disprove it. Claims of millions or billions of years
> > also theory. They do not disprove it.
>
> Your mental instability is getting the better of you. Your
> proposition is not a theory, it is a conjecture, and an absurd one at
> that. Theories (such as the one your offhand remarks appear to be
> trying to disparage) are supported by experimental or other evidence,
> and you have none at all.

The evidence is based on an examination of existing things and
ascribing a new meaning to their existence:

1) We don't know the outer planets are gas giants.
2) We don't know why those plants have giant hexagon shapes.
2) We don't know why the outer plants have so many moons.
3) We don't know why the surface of Venus has pancake formations.
4) We don't know why Venus has so few crater marks.
5) We don't know why Venus is so hot and has an acid atmosphere.
6) We don't know why Venus is rotating so slowly, and backwards.
7) We don't know why Uranus and Neptune are roughly the same size.
8) We don't know why Jupiter gives off more heat than it receives
from the Sun.
9) We don't know why there is this giant red spot on Jupiter.
10) We don't know why the asteroid belt exists.
11) Our own Earth shows it used to be smaller by the sea floor maps.

This theory puts meaning to it:

1) They are not gas giants. They're manufacturing facilities.
2) They are doors / gateways which let the proto-Earths in/out.
3) They are resource manufacturing facilities, processing plants,
each with their specific task. Europa. Io. Titan. It gives
each of them real meaning and purpose in this perspective.
4) Venus in its orbit is young, and it's being actively processed.
5) Venus used to be an Earth and is being recycled. It started
out much more like our planet 6,000 years ago, but the re-
cycling process has been going on and it's getting to more
and more aggressive stages.
6) It's part of the heating cycle. It's designed to heat up the
planet tremendously, as we can observe how much things cool
off each night here on Earth, and on Mars and the moon, when
it's out of the Sun's light. Venus is raging hot. And I be-
lieve it's going backwards because it's been flipped over.
What used to be Antarctica on that prior Earth is now where
we would say the North Pole is, as I believe Antarctica is a
special continent that's a gateway to the inner parts of the
Earth.
7) They are processing full-sized Earths preparing them for the
later parts of the manufacturing process. They hold a certain
number of full-sized Earths inside.
8) Jupiter is responsible for laying down the bedrock layers,
what our scientists tell us is billions of years of sediment
and lava and what not. It's actually the result of huge, and
I mean huge, batch towers of various rock mixtures that are
heated in incredible heating facilities, and then deposited
like pancake batter over the surface in many square mile areas
most likely. These things require heat, and there is most
likely some radiation source providing the heat. It's also
why Jupiter has such a strong radiation signature. It's this
huge system created for melting rock and depositing it all
over the surface of the Earths being constructed. And there
are probably 60 or more Earths in various stages of construct-
ion in there, and each stage takes about 7,000 years to com-
plete. It's many 100s of thousands of years to construct a
single Earth, and its in-service duty is only 7,000 years,
which tells you how valuable God finds us (people). He goes
through all of this to give us a chance to prove to Him who
we are, what we'll believe, whether we'll seek the truth or
believe the lie, etc.
9) That red spot is something like a painting facility. It is
a mixing system designed to prepare the materials that will
be deposited on the surface. It's why Mars is red as well,
as that area is where the materials are put onto Mars, or in-
side of Mars or whatever.
10) The asteroid belt is actually the great ring of Jupiter,
far bigger than Saturn's rings. It's so big that it cannot
orbit the planet. So, it's in orbit around the Sun always
in close proximity to the planet. And our telescopes have
actually caught asteroids crashing into part of Jupiter,
which I believe is part of its purpose. The asteroids are
hurled at Jupiter with great velocity and they are smashed
onto an area that can take the pounding. The asteroids then
explode into manageable chunks, which go into the heating
facilities distributed all over the planet, which deposit
the layers on the Earths being constructed.
11) Long note below:

This is what got me started on this. I had the thought, "The Earth
used to be smaller" occur to me. I got up and did some research and
found the NOAA and GEBCO maps, and the Neal Adams video. I realized
that the Earth did used to be smaller.

This is observable. The continents fit together. On a smaller Earth
they also fit together in 3D and at all places. We've been taught
otherwise, but we were taught wrong on purpose (by the enemy
anti-Christ spirit that seeks to see all of us not coming to a saving
knowledge of Christ, by teaching us things are natural, without God,
without design, etc.).

Once I realized the Earth used to be smaller I said to myself, "Okay.
Let's say it did. Now what? What does that mean?" From the
framework of accepting the Bible as true, I began to then realize that
the Earth would not continue growing forever. That we have been on
this planet now for about 6,000 years, and there is an upcoming 1,000
year Millennial Reign of Christ, and that the Earth would not exceed
beyond the 7,000 years due to the Biblical narrative.

So I said, "Okay. Let's assume that's true. What else do we know?"
And I remembered John talking about seeing a new Heaven and a new
Earth, for the first Heaven and the first Earth had passed away, and
there was no more sea. And I said, "Okay. A new Heaven and a new
Earth. Where would they come from? The Bible says in the beginning
God made the heavens and the Earth." And then I began to think about
that initial creation. I realized that in the beginning God created
the first apple tree. But He used the system He created to create the
second generation, and so on. And it's true of everything else.
People ask "Which came first the chicken or the egg?" God created the
chicken, male and female, and He also created the natural processes
within those chickens to produce subsequent generations. His act of
creation was not just the thing, but the system which perpetuates the
thing.

So I said, "Okay. God's created systems like this. Maybe He created a
system for the Earths, because we know in scripture there are at least
two." And I thought, "What is our Earth?" It's a planet. "Where is
our planet?" In our solar system. "What is our solar system?" And I
began to see it all coalesce before my eyes. I looked at Mars, and I
saw that it was about the size of the smaller Earth. I did some
calculations of land areas and the surface area of Mars and it was
within 1%. I looked at Venus, which is so close to our own planet's
size, and I began to ask myself "What is happening there?" And I
remembered reading an article once about how the radar satellites they
sent to Venus had found solidified metal in the higher areas. Venus is
860F+ on the surface, but up at higher altitude it's cooler. There
were various forms of metals that had melted down low and then, like
snow, became hardened in the higher elevations. And it struck me,
"It's being recycled!"

And then the whole rest of it began to fall into place. "How would the
Earths be built?" They'd have to be built in stages. And I remembered
how God had sent me to two factories to do computer work where I saw
assembly lines, both using the Japanese method of manufacturing, by the
way, where things are manufactured as needed and there are no great
stockpiles of inventory. I began to see the moons on the planets as
resource production facilities, with such obvious cues like Europa, and
Titan, and also Io. Such specialized and diverse moons it was just
amazing. The other ones also have purpose, but it's unknown to me what
they do.

I began to consider each planet, and through prayer, and thought, and
remembering things I've seen and read throughout my past, the whole
theory fell into place. I began working on my simulation to
demonstrate it, and I could see how it would all work.

I've tried to contact scientists about it. They all literally ignore
me and stop communicating with me. I've posted it on science forums,
and I've been blocked and banned from every one. I tried posting on
Reddit and I was banned for life on my first ever post!! But, they
later changed it to a 30 day suspension, though I haven't been back.

I'm to the place where I want people to step up and show me something
from a satellite or from a Bible passage which says this theory cannot
be true. I've searched high and low with my own experience and
knowledge and research, both in science areas and in the Bible, and I
find nothing that contradicts it. It actually explains several things
that I've never heard consistent messages on previously, such as why
did Jesus have to cure the blind man twice. The first time he reports
"I see men as trees walking." Does Jesus make mistakes? No. So, that
wasn't a mistake it was information, which also gives a clue about the
nature of everything, but I'm not ready to disclose that part yet.

> Until you have some evidence for your
> absurd conjecture which is capable of surplanting the theories which
> are supported by evidence, your life would be made more supportable
> if you obtained medical assistance.
>
> Also, sticking "OT" in the header doesn't mean it is OK to post your
> off topic nonsense.

I wish you were nicer and more helpful, Chris.

I'm talking about a theory that, if true, will fundamentally change
everybody's thinking about our solar system, our existence, God, Jesus,
everything. It will bring all of it into quick focus where we can
actually see, and it is actually provable, the incredible greatness of
God in His creation, and in Jesus seeking to forgive our sin so we can
be a part of this system outside of this mere 7,000 year time on this
Earth here.

What happens after the New Jerusalem and after judgment? The 8th day
begins, which is a corollary to the everlasting covenant between God
and man given to us in the form of circumcision, a mark upon our flesh
that maintains and reminds us of the covenant. The real 8th day is the
eternal day that begins after the 7,000 years (7th day) is over, and
after all judgment is made (the excess "flesh" is removed), which is
why the circumcision was given to man on the 8th day.

It all fits together. It's still a theory, but there aren't any holes
in it when you look at it from these perspectives, which are the
Biblical ones, the truth-seeking ones, the ones that keep God involved
in all parts of our existence.

When you cast God to the curb you wind up with billions of years and
the Big Bang which created everything out of nothing, and dark matter
and all that nonsense which is a slap in the face against God.

God's creation of things is far more than what we've been taught by the
lying anti-Christ spirit at work in sinful men seeking to glorify
themselves and their careers by listening literally to evil spirits
giving them ideas that sound plausible to the flesh mind, but are not
at all based on truth.

The truth is: God created everything. Jesus is our savior. We do
have a soul. We are under judgment and condemnation for sin. Jesus
came to take our sin away. And right now we know in part, but then (on
the other side of this world, be it by death or transformation), we
will know the truth.

I look forward to seeing what people come up with to disprove this
theory. It may still be wrong. But so far as I'm aware today, it has
not been disproven.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Carbon-14 dating has been proving unreliable in the laboratory. The
fossil record is explainable by the flood. And "everything else" is
also explainable to from the Biblical perspective.

You don't seek the truth, Joe. You've listened to what they've taught
you and believed it. That's not damnable, but it's also not a true
truth-seeking goal.

I can remember sitting in 3rd grade listening to my teachers teaching
us about the solar system and thinking to myself, "How do they know?"
And then realizing in high school and college and after that they don't
know. They're also theorizing and guessing.

There's a purposeful agenda by the anti-Christ spirit at work in this
world to deceive people, to take God out of everything, to make
everything a cold process removed from God's hand and love and
involvement in our daily lives.

The truth is far more interesting. And eternal.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Chris Vine]

On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 17:48:44 -0500

"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]

> I look forward to seeing what people come up with to disprove this
> theory. It may still be wrong. But so far as I'm aware today, it has
> not been disproven.

It is crackpot, it is not a "theory", and you have no evidence to
support it.

Even if it were a plausible conjecture, it is not for others to disprove
it. It is for you to prove it. However, some things are so ridiculous
that all you can do is laugh.

Actually, associating Christianity with this nonsense is I think
borderline blasphemous.

[Keith Thompson]

Chris Vine <chris@cvine--nospam--.freeserve.co.uk> writes:
> On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 15:31:38 -0500
> "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [snip]

[...]

> Also, sticking "OT" in the header doesn't mean it is OK to post your
> off topic nonsense.

Nor is it OK to reply to it. Please stop.

--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.T...@gmail.com
Working, but not speaking, for Philips Healthcare
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[Mr Flibble]

On 05/03/2021 20:31, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Now, Leigh, this is a theory. I could be wrong. I'm looking for
> something to disprove it. Claims of millions or billions of years also
> theory. They do not disprove it.

No, theories attempt to explain observations, facts and evidence: your "theory"
has none of that, making it a hypothesis at best except the difference between
your hypothesis and most others is that yours doesn't even pass the first gate
that of course being Occam's Razor.

/Flibble

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[Bonita Montero]

>> Can you please post your thoughts where they are appropriate ?

> I marked it Off-Topic. Too much reality for you? Can't handle it?

You know that such postings aren't welcome here.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 3/4/2021 8:42 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Do you know of anyone who can disprove this theory either
> scientifically or Biblically?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGdVtSh4wRs

[...]

Lets assume you are correct... Therefore, this must of happened in a sea
of other solar systems in the universe. Right?

[Juha Nieminen]

In comp.lang.c++ Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Carbon-14 dating has been proving unreliable in the laboratory. The
> fossil record is explainable by the flood. And "everything else" is
> also explainable to from the Biblical perspective.

There's a quite hilarious video where Ray Comfort asks someone on
the street "what do you call someone who lies?" and the other
person answers "a creationist".

Indeed, creationists are pathological liars. They cannot open their
mouths without lies pouring out. It's almost impossible for them to
say anything that's not an outright lie. Something they *know*
perfectly well it's not true, yet they *deliberately choose* to lie
about anyway.

These things have been explained to them millions of times, and
most of them actually understand it, yet they deliberately choose
to ignore the explanations and instead repeat their own distortions.
They know they are distortions, yet they choose to claim them
anyway.

You know perfectly well that the so-called "reservoir effect" does
not disprove carbon-14 dating, yet to still deliberately choose to
pretend so. You have probably been explained why it doesn't disprove
it, yet you deliberately choose to ignore it, and keep repeating the
lies.

You know perfectly well that the "flood" cannot explain anything,
yet you choose to ignore it, and keep believing and repeating things
you know are false.

I have been saying this for years, and I say it again: You are a liar
and a hypocrite. You do not follow the scriptures nore the teachings
that you are teaching to others. You are nothing but a liar and a
hypocrite. If your god existed, he would be ashamed of you.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 3/7/2021 10:36 PM, Juha Nieminen wrote:
> In comp.lang.c++ Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

[...] If your god existed, he would be ashamed of you.
>

Makes me think of a God that allows nice people into heaven. A gay
person is in heaven, and asks God... Well, I was worried because this
human named Rick said I was going to hell. God just giggles, and says
peace be with you.