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Rick C. Hodgin

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Feb 2, 2018, 4:16:35 PM2/2/18
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If God is able microwave a burrito so that it is too hot even for God to
eat then surely God isn't omnipotent as the burrito is too hot even for
God to eat.

God is a category error.

--

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

Rick C. Hodgin

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Feb 2, 2018, 4:41:57 PM2/2/18
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On 2/2/2018 4:16 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> If God is able microwave a burrito ...

You will know the real Rick C. Hodgin, and who the identity thief
imposter is by examining the headers of each message. I post only
from Google Groups or Eternal September. The imposter posts from
Giganews.

I have contacted ab...@giganews.com over a dozen times asking them
to prevent the imposter from posting under my name and identity.
They flatly refused and eventually stopped responding to me. I tried
to elevate the request in the company to a supervisor or manager and
they refused to elevate it. I contacted the Texas Attorney General's
office and was told the complaint I filed did not have them breaking
any Texas law that they had authority to enforce, but that I could
try the civil courts.

The imposter, a man named Leigh Johnston ("Mr. Flibble") has taken
to impersonating me by name and email address, seeking to soil my
name and message, and to hide behind a coward's mask in so doing.

If you are a Christian, please pray for Leigh. He is a most vulgar
and obscene man who uses profanity regularly, calls people names, and
does not even possess a common respect for other people's names,
usurping identities and trampling over them as he sees fit.

His enablers at Giganews are doing him a great disservice, but each
of them will find out one day to exactly what extent that disservice
runs.

I apologize for the confusion. I have tried to prevent it. If
anyone has any advice on how to proceed please feel free to email
me. Thank you in advance for your assistance.

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Thank you! | Indianapolis, Indiana | God is love -- 1 John 4:7-9
Rick C. Hodgin | http://www.libsf.org/ | http://tinyurl.com/yaogvqhj
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Mr Flibble

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Feb 2, 2018, 4:49:59 PM2/2/18
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Be careful Rick, slander is illegal and, unlike impersonation/identity
theft, satire in the form of mimicry is not. Every satirical post I
have made mimicking you has had the following Usenet header field:

Organisation: Rick C. Hodgin Enterprises

If I wanted to impersonate/commit identity theft I wouldn't have
included that header field. When satirising a public figure (and you
have put yourself into the public sphere with your spam (see below)) one
has to take on the outward appearance of that individual in some way and
unfortunately for the medium of Usenet that means posting using your
name/e-mail address as an alias; the satirical effect would be lost if
this was not done. If you can suggest a better way to satirise your bad
behaviour in this Usenet newsgroup then I am all ears.

I have made the offer on several occasions (which I make again now) that
the satirical Usenet posts will stop when you stop spamming this
technical Usenet newsgroup with your religious nonsense: this spam is
disruption that nobody except you wants.

/Flibble

--
"Suppose it’s all true, and you walk up to the pearly gates, and are
confronted by God," Bryne asked on his show The Meaning of Life. "What
will Stephen Fry say to him, her, or it?"
"I’d say, bone cancer in children? What’s that about?" Fry replied.
"How dare you? How dare you create a world to which there is such misery
that is not our fault. It’s not right, it’s utterly, utterly evil."
"Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates
a world that is so full of injustice and pain. That’s what I would say."

Rick C. Hodgin

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Feb 2, 2018, 4:56:55 PM2/2/18
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Someone would have to examine the headers manually to see that, Leigh.
It doesn't show up under normal header information. And if someone
where to do a Google search for my name, those posts would appear,
and someone unfamiliar with your hatred of me would be confused into
thinking I wrote those posts. Melzzzzz and Peter Cheung have already
been confused by them and they even see and know what's going on here.

Google Groups thinks those posts are made by me. They show up using
my channel icon, and I am not notified about there being new posts
because of it.

It is evil what you are doing, and I forgive you for it. And I ask
the Lord not hold this against you.

> If I wanted to impersonate/commit identity theft I wouldn't have
> included that header field.  When satirising a public figure (and you
> have put yourself into the public sphere with your spam (see below)) one
> has to take on the outward appearance of that individual in some way and
> unfortunately for the medium of Usenet that means posting using your
> name/e-mail address as an alias; the satirical effect would be lost if
> this was not done.  If you can suggest a better way to satirise your bad
> behaviour in this Usenet newsgroup then I am all ears.
>
> I have made the offer on several occasions (which I make again now) that
> the satirical Usenet posts will stop when you stop spamming this
> technical Usenet newsgroup with your religious nonsense: this spam is
> disruption that nobody except you wants.

You are a criminal of the lowest form. You hide behind masks and
move with meanness and hate in your heart, slithering around like
a snake with the most evil intent, and you are violating the sanctity
of my identity.

I pity you, Leigh. But more than that, I forgive you.

Öö Tiib

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Feb 3, 2018, 8:09:27 AM2/3/18
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Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

>>> I apologize for the confusion. I have tried to prevent it. If
>>> anyone has any advice on how to proceed please feel free to email
>>> me. Thank you in advance for your assistance.

The numerous attempts to prosecute them have shown to you that
you are toothless in practice. So you ask others to assist against
Giganews and Leigh.

> I pity you, Leigh. But more than that, I forgive you.

After asking for others to help in it you claim that you
forgive him. :D No satire can beat that level of sanctimonious
comedy and irony. No one doubts that you will continue to search
the ways of revenge.

May be that we did not love you enough. But no one can join your
religion because of the posts that you write. You present it as
something repulsive and its followers (you) as duplicitous
lunatics who dream how others rot in hell but lie how you love
them and forgive them. As result everybody who does not share your
faith yet starts to hope that either there are no trace of truth
in your philosophy or you have skewed it beyond recognition.

woodb...@gmail.com

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Feb 3, 2018, 9:54:13 AM2/3/18
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For those who want to better understand the conflict here,
I suggest reading or listening to Ben Shapiro over at
https://www.dailywire.com

. He says,

"The argument for atheism is that there is no freewill -
we are just balls of flesh wandering through the universe.
I don't find that completely implausible. That's a possibility.
I'm not going to pretend that atheism isn't a possibility. I
will suggest that I find it not more plausible than the
explanation that we have freewill, we are capable in
changing in our own lives, that our action is in our own hands.
That we are endowed with reason that extends beyond just
neuronal firing. That I think is a more compelling case.
So what I'm suggesting is that belief in G-d does not have
to be certainty to be probability. And so I believe that
G-d exists and that He controls the universe, is involved
in our lives and that He has handed to us a set of precepts
that help guide our lives and make better civilization.
One of the reasons for that is almost utilitarian which is
that the only great civilization in the history of the world
in my viewpoint is the Judeo-Christian civilization springing
from those foundations."

That's my attempt at transcribing part of Ben's podcast
https://www.dailywire.com/podcasts/26684/ep-467-its-memo-day
-- around 55 minutes and 35 seconds --
into text.


Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - "Free at last, free at last; thank
G-d Almighty we are free at last." Pastor Martin Luther
King Jr.

http://webEbenezer.net

Rick C. Hodgin

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Feb 3, 2018, 10:21:46 AM2/3/18
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On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 8:09:27 AM UTC-5, Öö Tiib wrote:
> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > I pity you, Leigh. But more than that, I forgive you.
>
> After asking for others to help in it you claim that you
> forgive him. :D No satire can beat that level of sanctimonious
> comedy and irony. No one doubts that you will continue to search
> the ways of revenge.

I do not seek revenge. I want the coward to stop posting using
my identity. I don't care if he behaves as vulgar Peter Cheung has
toward me. I want him doing so under the name "Leigh Johnston," and
not behind a mask designed to disparage my name and cause me harm,
because each bit of harm he inflicts toward me is multiplied back on
him by the damage it does to other people.

Leigh Johnston is a criminal, and I will continue to seek ways to get
him to stop posting under my identity because it confuses people
and harms the clarity of the message because his attacks stem from
my name. A random person happening in on these posts would be completely
confused, resulting in much harm done to them and Leigh by that confusion
and its misleading nature.

That is isolated from my forgiveness for him. I do not want him punished
by God for his actions, so I personally forgive him. But he is still
accountable to God for his actions, and the harm done to many people.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Öö Tiib

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Feb 3, 2018, 2:18:19 PM2/3/18
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On Saturday, 3 February 2018 16:54:13 UTC+2, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> For those who want to better understand the conflict here,
> I suggest reading or listening to Ben Shapiro over at

Must be better preacher than Rick since one has likely to subscribe
and to pay for to hear his bollocks.

> . He says,
>
> "The argument for atheism is that there is no freewill -
> we are just balls of flesh wandering through the universe.
> I don't find that completely implausible. That's a possibility.

What he puts up seems typical straw-man argument that conflates unrelated
questions, but that is fine for me.

The conflict here is not about questions if there are ghosts, afterlife, transmigration of souls, yetis and UFOs. The conflict isn't even if it
is correct to satirize crazy people like Rick. The only conflict here
is if this newsgroup is appropriate place for discussing those beliefs.

Chris M. Thomasson

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Feb 3, 2018, 3:33:13 PM2/3/18
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Imvvho, UFOs are more interesting.

Chris M. Thomasson

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Feb 3, 2018, 3:41:03 PM2/3/18
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On 2/3/2018 7:21 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 8:09:27 AM UTC-5, Öö Tiib wrote:
>> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> I pity you, Leigh. But more than that, I forgive you.
>>
>> After asking for others to help in it you claim that you
>> forgive him. :D No satire can beat that level of sanctimonious
>> comedy and irony. No one doubts that you will continue to search
>> the ways of revenge.
>
> I do not seek revenge. I want the coward to stop posting using
> my identity. I don't care if he behaves as vulgar Peter Cheung has
> toward me. I want him doing so under the name "Leigh Johnston," and
> not behind a mask designed to disparage my name and cause me harm,

Perhaps yet another Pot Kettle Syndrome:

Imho, you are basically harming Jesus by posting all of this %J^% as if
you are directly representing him. Afaict, your %^%$#@% makes Jesus look
pretty darn bad, some people are basically begging you to post about
some actual C++ code.

IMVVVHO, Jesus wants you to lay off when everybody in the damn room
starts to get $%$%#! off and wants you to %^^*^&^ get the heck out.

At least create a damn C++ program that does the preaching for you. The
code would be more on topic?

Btw, what is the topic of this group? Don't give me any %^%$ about
disobeying orders from generals. Blah!

;^o

[...]

Öö Tiib

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Feb 3, 2018, 7:31:04 PM2/3/18
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On Saturday, 3 February 2018 17:21:46 UTC+2, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> That is isolated from my forgiveness for him. I do not want him punished
> by God for his actions, so I personally forgive him. But he is still
> accountable to God for his actions, and the harm done to many people.

Nonsense, "to forgive" means to stop being angry and wishful to
punish. Your duplicity fools yourself if you can actually
somehow imagine that you can both forgive and then still punish.

Rick C. Hodgin

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Feb 3, 2018, 7:38:48 PM2/3/18
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It is not punishment I seek. It is only for him to stop posting using
my own name and online identity. There will be nothing sought beyond
having him cease. My desire is that he would do it voluntarily, and
stand up on his own two feet and rise against me with his beliefs if
he wishes, but to do it as Leigh Johnston, and not pseudo-Mr. Flibble,
and not as my own identity.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Mr Flibble

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Feb 3, 2018, 7:52:54 PM2/3/18
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That would be an option if you would engage in honest debate but you
don't. You ignore other people's arguments and simply respond by pasting
passages from the Bible without dealing with the other person's
argument: i.e. you are deliberately, wilfully obtuse. Even if that was
not the case this technical Usenet newsgroup is NOT THE PLACE for such
debate which is why the only weapon in my armoury is satire which will
continue whilst you continue your off topic spam.

Rick C. Hodgin

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Feb 3, 2018, 8:16:07 PM2/3/18
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On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 7:52:54 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 04/02/2018 00:38, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 7:31:04 PM UTC-5, Öö Tiib wrote:
> >> On Saturday, 3 February 2018 17:21:46 UTC+2, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> >>>
> >>> That is isolated from my forgiveness for him. I do not want him punished
> >>> by God for his actions, so I personally forgive him. But he is still
> >>> accountable to God for his actions, and the harm done to many people.
> >>
> >> Nonsense, "to forgive" means to stop being angry and wishful to
> >> punish. Your duplicity fools yourself if you can actually
> >> somehow imagine that you can both forgive and then still punish.
> >
> > It is not punishment I seek. It is only for him to stop posting using
> > my own name and online identity. There will be nothing sought beyond
> > having him cease. My desire is that he would do it voluntarily, and
> > stand up on his own two feet and rise against me with his beliefs if
> > he wishes, but to do it as Leigh Johnston, and not pseudo-Mr. Flibble,
> > and not as my own identity.
>
> That would be an option if you would engage in honest debate but you
> don't. You ignore other people's arguments and simply respond by pasting
> passages from the Bible without dealing with the other person's
> argument: i.e. you are deliberately, wilfully obtuse.

I have posted much that you've responded with "tl;dr". The things I
post are the things you NEED to address the things you THINK. But even
though I post what you need, you will not hear it because you're already
convinced you're right.

You post the same signature on all of your posts, citing a lost man who
does not understand God, who does not understand sin, who does not have
any inkling of an idea what's coming for him when he dies in such utter
rebellion against God, leading other people to also be against God.

You have been sold a lie in this world by the enemy of this world I've
tried with great passion and effort to expose to you and teach you of,
but you would hear none of it. As I say, I pit you, Leigh. You are as
I was before I came to faith, except I was willing to seek the truth,
and you are not. You are indicating you will stand upon your own beliefs
already possessed within you, convinced you are right, straight into the
mouth of Hell.

> Even if that was
> not the case this technical Usenet newsgroup is NOT THE PLACE for such
> debate which is why the only weapon in my armoury is satire which will
> continue whilst you continue your off topic spam.

The greatest cowards hide behind masks. Your actions speak loudly about
the quality of your character, Leigh. And your inability to seek the
truth speaks loudly of your self-condemnation.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Chris M. Thomasson

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Feb 3, 2018, 10:21:46 PM2/3/18
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On 2/3/2018 5:15 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 7:52:54 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> On 04/02/2018 00:38, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 7:31:04 PM UTC-5, Öö Tiib wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, 3 February 2018 17:21:46 UTC+2, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
[...]

Try _really_ hard to create a little hyper basic online program that
funnels user created code into a highly protected and encrypted sandbox
running your experimental compiler, protected because we want to avoid
user input corrupting your back-end systems... Say, this is highly
experimental, and it only does hello world programs.

I can create a program like:

Say you gave some instructions to pre-define a macro to indicate
something in your experimental compilers early online stages:
_________________
#define RH_CALIVE_C_MODE_TEST 0x123
#define RH_CALIVE_C_MODE RH_CALIVE_C_MODE_TEST

#include <stdio.h>
#include <assert.h>

int main(void)
{
int status = printf("Hello World!");
printf("\nstatus:(%d)\n", status);
assert(status > 0);
//assert(status == 12);
return 0;
}
_________________

And it gives something like:

Hello World!
status:(12)


? Try to do something like that. Then everybody can use it without
downloading a damn thing! ;^)

Rick C. Hodgin

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Feb 3, 2018, 10:37:43 PM2/3/18
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On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 10:21:46 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> [snip]

I do not take my cues from you. You represent almost continually a
person to be avoided. You are using profanity in one post, vulgarity
in another, and you don't seem to care about anything. I have tried
to help you when I've had inspiration with fractals, given you an idea
that I might pursue if I had time or interest. I have reached out to
you with teaching after teaching, and all you come back to me with is
your flippancy, and your personal beliefs about how I should best pro-
ceed. I have no respect for you whatsoever, Chris. I have literally
never met anyone like you online before. I'm not even sure how to
respond to you, so after this post it will be back to ignoring your
posts again.

FWIW, I am working on a goal that takes through 2025 to complete the
tasks I've laid out before me. So far I am pretty much on schedule,
but I have a long way to go. That will be 12+ years from the time I
started this project. It's evolved in the first few, but it's been
stable for the last couple of years, and I am at peace with moving
forward as I have outlined.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Chris M. Thomasson

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Feb 3, 2018, 10:49:22 PM2/3/18
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Btw, a real question... If I add a \n the following line in the program:

int status = printf("Hello World!");

and turn that final assert on, say:
_________________
#define RH_CALIVE_C_MODE_TEST 0x123
#define RH_CALIVE_C_MODE RH_CALIVE_C_MODE_TEST

#include <stdio.h>
#include <assert.h>

int main(void)
{
int status = printf("Hello World!\n");
printf("\nstatus:(%d)\n", status);
assert(status > 0);
assert(status == 13);
return 0;
}
_________________

Well, is status guaranteed to equal 13? Or can a \r be inserted and
increase status? Will the assert wrt:

assert(status == 13);

ever trip?

Chris M. Thomasson

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Feb 3, 2018, 11:07:24 PM2/3/18
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On 2/3/2018 7:37 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 10:21:46 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> [snip]
>
> I do not take my cues from you. You represent almost continually a
> person to be avoided. You are using profanity in one post, vulgarity
> in another, and you don't seem to care about anything. I have tried
> to help you when I've had inspiration with fractals, given you an idea
> that I might pursue if I had time or interest.

You did give me an idea about fractals. Thank you.

Rick C. Hodgin

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On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 11:07:24 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> You did give me an idea about fractals. Thank you.

I was thinking about you today and I think I figured out what
it is. You are probably a lot like I was before coming to a
saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. I didn't have any grounding
on life directions, and was unreliable in many ways. I still
struggle with that at times, though due to other factors these
days.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Chris Vine

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Feb 4, 2018, 3:08:49 PM2/4/18
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Chris,

If you want to be as "reliable" and as "grounded on life directions" as
Rick, not to mention acquiring his stilted way of writing and peculiar
vocabulary, then carry on. But the better way of doing that would be
to take your off topic posting away from this newsgroup and discuss it
further with him by email, where it belongs.

Chris M. Thomasson

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Feb 4, 2018, 5:51:59 PM2/4/18
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On 2/4/2018 12:08 PM, Chris Vine wrote:
> Chris,
>
> If you want to be as "reliable" and as "grounded on life directions" as
> Rick, not to mention acquiring his stilted way of writing and peculiar
> vocabulary, then carry on. But the better way of doing that would be
> to take your off topic posting away from this newsgroup and discuss it
> further with him by email, where it belongs.

He did not want to converse with me anymore via email because I used the
word damn.

Chris Vine

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Feb 4, 2018, 6:07:52 PM2/4/18
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On Sun, 4 Feb 2018 14:51:52 -0800
"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chr...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 2/4/2018 12:08 PM, Chris Vine wrote:
> > Chris,
> >
> > If you want to be as "reliable" and as "grounded on life
> > directions" as Rick, not to mention acquiring his stilted way of
> > writing and peculiar vocabulary, then carry on. But the better way
> > of doing that would be to take your off topic posting away from
> > this newsgroup and discuss it further with him by email, where it
> > belongs.
>
> He did not want to converse with me anymore via email because I used
> the word damn.

Oh dear. A lost soul due to his attitude. Yea verily, surely he shall
burn in hell for eternity on account of that? "Damn" isn't even
profanity on this side of the Atlantic.

I am a convinced Christian; but if you are faced with some nutjob who
asks you to believe that Adam and Eve really existed historically and
are the authors of original sin in an actual sense for which we are
vicariously condemned to be tortured in hell for eternity, and that the
earth is 6,000 years old in contradiction of the overwhelming scientific
evidence to the contrary, or that man did not evolve by natural
selection contrary to the overwhelming scientific evidence the contrary
(there is no doubt about the fact of evolution, only its means), then
you are well advised to steer very wide of them.

Rick C. Hodgin

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On Sunday, February 4, 2018 at 5:51:59 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> He did not want to converse with me anymore via email because I used the
> word damn.

If you think that was really the reason, then I am sorry for you.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Chris M. Thomasson

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Feb 4, 2018, 7:19:15 PM2/4/18
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You can post the emails if you want.

Rick C. Hodgin

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Feb 4, 2018, 7:29:49 PM2/4/18
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-----[ Begin ]-----
Jul 18, 2017
I reply to you now so you'll know this:

All of your emails (to me, or when sent from Google Groups automatically emailing me of your replies to posts I'm subscribed to) have a filter setup against them. They are automatically marked as read and sent to the Trash folder. I only see them when I go to empty trash, or when I'm actually on Google Groups. When I am on Google Groups and I see your name on a post, I collapse the post without reading it.

Why do I do this to you?

Because you have no interest in seeking the truth, Chris. You aren't asking real questions, but you are just a pretender poking away with little twists (things which appear outwardly to have some sort of truth-seeking, but truly do not, and are just knives from the enemy thrust into your being so you can lash out and tear and slice away with his twisting tongue).

I completely turn my back on your online presence as a part of my life until you repent. I will not read anything you write, and I will have no further online communication with you of any kind. And each time I see your name on something, I will remember you in my prayers because I know that it is only God who can turn that hard heart you possess around, and restore you to life. I pray that day comes sooner rather than later.

Good bye, Chris. This will be my last reply to you forever ... unless some point later you repent and apologize for the hurt and harm you've done.

Signed,
Rick C. Hodgin
-----[ End ]-----

You are that same way today.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Chris M. Thomasson

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Feb 4, 2018, 11:22:02 PM2/4/18
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On 2/4/2018 4:29 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Sunday, February 4, 2018 at 7:19:15 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 2/4/2018 4:09 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> On Sunday, February 4, 2018 at 5:51:59 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>> He did not want to converse with me anymore via email because I used the
>>>> word damn.
>>>
>>> If you think that was really the reason, then I am sorry for you.
>>
>> You can post the emails if you want.
>
> -----[ Begin ]-----
> Jul 18, 2017
> I reply to you now so you'll know this:
>
> All of your emails (to me, or when sent from Google Groups automatically emailing me of your replies to posts I'm subscribed to) have a filter setup against them. They are automatically marked as read and sent to the Trash folder. I only see them when I go to empty trash, or when I'm actually on Google Groups. When I am on Google Groups and I see your name on a post, I collapse the post without reading it.

I only sent you, what was it, two or three emails? You can post them all
for context.

David Brown

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Feb 5, 2018, 4:45:45 AM2/5/18
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On 04/02/18 23:51, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 2/4/2018 12:08 PM, Chris Vine wrote:
>> Chris,
>>
>> If you want to be as "reliable" and as "grounded on life directions" as
>> Rick, not to mention acquiring his stilted way of writing and peculiar
>> vocabulary, then carry on. But the better way of doing that would be
>> to take your off topic posting away from this newsgroup and discuss it
>> further with him by email, where it belongs.
>
> He did not want to converse with me anymore via email because I used the
> word damn.
>

Look, he does not want to converse with /anyone/ about his religious
ideas. He wants to pontificate - he has no interest in listening, or
thinking. He has painted himself into a corner in his religion - he
believes he really understands "god", and that anyone who disagrees with
him is by definition inspired by the devil. Since everyone /does/
disagree with him on at least some points, clearly /everyone/ is
possessed by the devil. And resisting other opinions or facts,
preferably by sticking his fingers in his ears and shouting "la, la, la,
I can't here you!", is therefore proving his loyalty to his god. It is
a vicious circle, with Rick and those around him being the primary
losers. But the more you post in threads like this, the more /you/
lose, and the more other members of the Usenet group lose.

Rick is happy to converse on technical matters, and I would be happy to
do so too, but he prefers to pretend I don't exist.


Rick C. Hodgin

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On Sunday, February 4, 2018 at 11:22:02 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 2/4/2018 4:29 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> I only sent you, what was it, two or three emails? You can post them all
> for context.

It is your pattern of posting on Usenet, Chris. You mock and
you delight in mocking. You ask illegitimate questions from that
same mocking point of view, laughing all the while.

You have no interest in the truth, and:

> > You are that same way today.

It keeps you on the path of the damned.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Öö Tiib

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On Monday, 5 February 2018 11:45:45 UTC+2, David Brown wrote:
>
> Look, he does not want to converse with /anyone/ about his religious
> ideas. He wants to pontificate - he has no interest in listening, or
> thinking. He has painted himself into a corner in his religion - he
> believes he really understands "god", and that anyone who disagrees with
> him is by definition inspired by the devil.

There may be strong reasons for it. For example people with very
high self-esteem (assholes) tend to do mistakes. Since assholes
are over average careless such mistakes can have rather bad
consequences. It may be even so that there are no other persons
to accuse. Then they can't accept it that it was all their own fault.
On such case it is relief for them to believe that powerful
supernatural enemies did use their ignorance, stupidity, fallibility
and lack of foresight to orchestrate that disaster. Also it comforts
them to believe that there is "god" who can forgive them even
when they can't forgive that fully to themselves. Further, spoiling
the good mood of others around them with their repetitively
expressed lunacy makes every asshole also to feel better. So it
must be correct as it feels so good. But from side it looks mad and
repulsive.

Rick C. Hodgin

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Feb 5, 2018, 7:54:37 AM2/5/18
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On 2/5/2018 6:21 AM, Öö Tiib wrote:
> On Monday, 5 February 2018 11:45:45 UTC+2, David Brown wrote:
>>
>> Look, he does not want to converse with /anyone/ about his religious
>> ideas. He wants to pontificate - he has no interest in listening, or
>> thinking. He has painted himself into a corner in his religion - he
>> believes he really understands "god", and that anyone who disagrees with
>> him is by definition inspired by the devil.
>
> There may be strong reasons for it. For example people with very
> high self-esteem...


It could also be for another reason. It could be for the one I'm
trying to teach you:

(1) You have sin.
(2) Sin condemns one's soul to Hell.
(3) Jesus came to take away our sin and save us from condemnation.
(4) All He asks you to do is ask Him to forgive you and He will.
For free.

It could be for that reason, Öö Tiib. And I still don't know how to
pronounce your name. In my mind I'm referring to you as "Oh Teeb."
:-)

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Daniel

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Feb 5, 2018, 9:40:44 AM2/5/18
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On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 4:45:45 AM UTC-5, David Brown wrote:
>
> Look, he does not want to converse with /anyone/ about his religious
> ideas. he has no interest in ... thinking.

Of course not. Thoughts would only frighten him.

Rick C. Hodgin

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The same thing could be said about you ... and the cross. To come to
the foot of the cross is to look up to the one who paid the price for
your sin ... or the one who could've had you let Him.

In any event, to look into the eyes of the one on the cross is wholly
condemning, and moves you on the inside in a way nothing else can.

I encourage each of you to:

THINK about the Lord upon that cross.
THINK about your sin.
THINK about what happens to you after you leave this world.
THINK about your future.

And THINK about why Jesus came to this Earth and died upon that cross.
If you come to the foot of the cross it will rattle your soul ...
forever.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Öö Tiib

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Feb 5, 2018, 10:23:42 AM2/5/18
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On Monday, 5 February 2018 14:54:37 UTC+2, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On 2/5/2018 6:21 AM, Öö Tiib wrote:
> > On Monday, 5 February 2018 11:45:45 UTC+2, David Brown wrote:
> >>
> >> Look, he does not want to converse with /anyone/ about his religious
> >> ideas. He wants to pontificate - he has no interest in listening, or
> >> thinking. He has painted himself into a corner in his religion - he
> >> believes he really understands "god", and that anyone who disagrees with
> >> him is by definition inspired by the devil.
> >
> > There may be strong reasons for it. For example people with very
> > high self-esteem...
>
>
> It could also be for another reason. It could be for the one I'm
> trying to teach you:
>
> (1) You have sin.
> (2) Sin condemns one's soul to Hell.
> (3) Jesus came to take away our sin and save us from condemnation.
> (4) All He asks you to do is ask Him to forgive you and He will.
> For free.
>
> It could be for that reason, Öö Tiib.

List of your beliefs can't be reason why you are incapable to converse,
to listen or to think about those. I was just suggesting a reason how
unfortunate events can make some people to become sectarian like
that.

> And I still don't know how to
> pronounce your name. In my mind I'm referring to you as "Oh Teeb."
> :-)

Perhaps I have told you but sounds and letters are just symbols;
protocol of communication. I'm real person not those sounds and
letters.

Rick C. Hodgin

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On 2/5/2018 10:23 AM, Öö Tiib wrote:
> On Monday, 5 February 2018 14:54:37 UTC+2, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> On 2/5/2018 6:21 AM, Öö Tiib wrote:
>>> On Monday, 5 February 2018 11:45:45 UTC+2, David Brown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Look, he does not want to converse with /anyone/ about his religious
>>>> ideas. He wants to pontificate - he has no interest in listening, or
>>>> thinking. He has painted himself into a corner in his religion - he
>>>> believes he really understands "god", and that anyone who disagrees with
>>>> him is by definition inspired by the devil.
>>>
>>> There may be strong reasons for it. For example people with very
>>> high self-esteem...
>>
>>
>> It could also be for another reason. It could be for the one I'm
>> trying to teach you:
>>
>> (1) You have sin.
>> (2) Sin condemns one's soul to Hell.
>> (3) Jesus came to take away our sin and save us from condemnation.
>> (4) All He asks you to do is ask Him to forgive you and He will.
>> For free.
>>
>> It could be for that reason, Öö Tiib.
>
> List of your beliefs can't be reason why you are incapable to converse,
> to listen or to think about those. I was just suggesting a reason how
> unfortunate events can make some people to become sectarian like
> that.


There are several people I converse with, but it's given from the point
of view of teaching when it relates to Christianity and world-held view-
points.

You won't be able to find a flaw with the Biblical teachings. They are
from God, and they are comprehensive.

The only times flaws are cited is when a person looks superficially,
and does not take the time or effort to gain a true understanding of
why it is the thing they've identified is not actually a flaw.

The Bible is given to man by God through His Holy Spirit. It is a
supernatural teaching provided to give us natural guidance (in our
flesh), as well as spiritual guidance for those who are saved and
born again.

I teach you these things, but you won't hear them because you're
already convinced that what you believe is right, and that there
must instead be something wrong with me, which is why I won't
listen to you. I've been where you are. I was there for almost
35 years. When I was almost 35 years old I came to faith and now
I know the truth. It is that which I try and teach others, but
until a person is willing to seek the truth, it will never come
to them.

As I've stated, this teaching is for those who are being saved.
It is not given for other people.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

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