Perhaps you are not understanding the nature of Allah or God !

[Horizon68]

Hello....


Perhaps you are not understanding the nature of Allah or God !

Allah is not the creator of humans and is not the creator of the
universe and is not the creator of everything !


Allah or God is only a spirit and the world of Allah or God
is spirits or souls !

So Allah has not wanted to dictate all to prophet Mohamed,
because Allah or God is not the creator of the human that is
prophet Mohamed ! so Allah or God has those limitations so
he has wanted humans to believe in him ! and be guided
by our believing in him ! because he will welcome our souls
after our death ! he has not wanted from us to follow the Quran or to
follow Islam ! read the following to understand why:

Again about Allah or God...

As i said that Allah or God is not science or technology,
he is not artificial intelligence, his nature has nothing to
do with science and technology, this is why the Quran
was not science and technology ! i think the world of Allah or God
is of a different nature, it is like the souls or the spirits !
and now you are understanding why the prophet Mohamed was "handicaped"
thinking because it was not thinking of science and technology !
because Allah or God is not science and technology !

Read again to understand my following thoughts:

Who is Allah or God ?

You have seen me doing political philosophy here,
and I think i have understood what is Allah or God !

I think Allah or God is a Spirit(like a soul), and the world of Allah or
God is a world of spirits(like souls) ! this is the limitation !
because Allah or God can not act on the physical world ! he only
can act on the spiritual world(or the souls !), this is why Allah or God
can not do anything for you over this earth ! but Allah or God will
welcome your soul after your death ! so this is why you have to
transcend your living conditions by for example doing science and
technology and this is why i am doing more serious computer programming
and this is why i am doing political philosophy here.


This is why i said the following:

I am an Islam that is different..

And I don't believe in the Islam of ISIS or Al Qaida..

I am an Islam that is more "sophisticated", this is why
i am doing political philosophy here..

I give you an example:

When in Islam the Quran says that we have to cut off the hand of the
thief by refusing compassion on him even if he is poor and has stolen he
stole a "small" amount of money, this is not "logical", because God can
not say this stupidity, so from here you can understand that the Quran
is a mixture of God writing and of the human prophet writing, so
from here we can say that God has also let the prophet Mohamed
that is human to write rules in the Quran to also govern with the
prophet Mohamed rules that contain human defectuosities such as the rule
of of cutting the hand of a thief, this why the Quran is
not only from God but it is also from human that we call prophet
Mohamed, so Islam of today is not Islam that is
logical for our today world ! so i think that in Islam we have to retain
the very important of Islam that is we have to believe in Allah
and be guided by this our believing in Allah, not by the Quran or
by Islam.


In christianity also there is logical contradictions such
as you can do more and more sins but if you come in the end to
Jesus christ and you repent and you believe in him , you will be saved !
this is not logical either.

So i think that in Islam we have to retain the very important of Islam
that is we have to believe in Allah and be guided by our believing in
Allah, not by the Quran and not by Islam, so we have not to believe in
the Bible or the Quran or Christianity or Islam.


And read the following:

You will say that God doesn't exist, but read the following(read
especially the outer body experience of the 57-year old man below):

"A University of Southampton study has revealed that people could still
experience consciousness for up to three minutes after the heart stops
beating.

The study interviewed 2,060 patients from Austria, USA and the UK who
have all suffered a cardiac arrest.

The Express reports that 40% could recall some form of awareness after
being pronounced clinically dead.

One 57-year old man seemed to confirm an outer body experience by
recalling everything that was going on around him with eerie accuracy
while he was technically dead."


Read more here:

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/516195/university-southampton-study-science-life-death-hell-heaven


And read the following:

Does God exists ?

You will say that God doesn't exist, but read the following(read
especially about the following study where two per cent exhibited full
awareness with explicit recall of “seeing” and “hearing” events – or
out-of-body )


Read more here:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/life-after-death-largest-ever-study-provides-evidence-that-out-of-body-and-near-death-experiences-9780195.html


Thank you,
Amine Moulay Ramdane.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 9/27/2018 6:05 PM, Horizon68 wrote:
> Perhaps you are not understanding the nature of Allah or God !
>
> Allah is not the creator of humans and is not the creator of the universe and
> is not the creator of everything !

The Qur'an disagrees with you:

https://www.islamicity.org/MOSQUE/ARABICSCRIPT/AYAT/31/31_10.htm
https://www.islamicity.org/MOSQUE/ARABICSCRIPT/AYAT/31/31_11.htm

31:10 He created the heavens without any pillars that ye can
see; He set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest
it should shake with you; and He scattered through it
beasts of all kinds. We send down rain from the sky,
and produce on the earth every kind of noble creature,
in pairs.
31:11 Such is the Creation of Allah. now show Me what is there
that others besides Him have created: nay, but the
Transgressors are in manifest error.

http://quran.wwpa.com/page/verse-40-64
Literal translation:

God is who made/created for you, the earth/Planet Earth
(as) a settlement, and the sky/space (a) structure, and
He pictured/shaped you, so He did good (perfected in)
your pictures/shapes/forms, and He provided you from the
goodnesses, that (is) God, your Lord, so blessed (is)
God the creations all together`s/(universes`) Lord.

Allah is literally Satan, Amine, a liar and an imitator only. He is not a
creator, nor is he /THE/ creator.

> Allah or God is only a spirit and the world of Allah or God
> is spirits or souls !
>
> So Allah has not wanted to dictate all to prophet Mohamed,
> because Allah or God is not the creator of the human that is
> prophet Mohamed ! so Allah or God has those limitations so
> he has wanted humans to believe in him ! and be guided
> by our believing in him ! because he will welcome our souls
> after our death ! he has not wanted from us to follow the Quran or to follow
> Islam ! read the following to understand why:

I do not think you understand Islam.

Out of curiosity, where do you think the universe and man came
from if "Allah or God" did not create it? Some greater power
brought it into being? Brought Allah into being? That would
make Allah a subordinate.

-- Rick C. Hodgin

[Horizon68]

Hello..

You have to be smart, the Quran said that Allah is the creator of
everything because Quran has wanted to enforce laws for more order,
because you have to believe that Allah is the creator of everything to
be able to be more "order", so now you are understanding that
the Quran is not the complete truth because it needs to govern humans,
the Quran is also a story that was invented to be able to govern humans,
and the Quran is not only the saying of Allah but it is also
the saying of prophet Mohamed.

Read all the rest of my thoughts to understand better my views:

Perhaps you are not understanding the nature of Allah or God !

Allah is not the creator of humans and is not the creator of the
universe and is not the creator of everything !

Allah or God is only a spirit and the world of Allah or God
is spirits or souls !

So Allah has not wanted to dictate all to prophet Mohamed,
because Allah or God is not the creator of the human that is
prophet Mohamed ! so Allah or God has those limitations so
he has wanted humans to believe in him ! and be guided
by our believing in him ! because he will welcome our souls
after our death ! he has not wanted from us to follow the Quran or to
follow Islam ! read the following to understand why:

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 9/27/2018 6:34 PM, Horizon68 wrote:
> Hello..
> You have to be smart,

You have to be smart. Okay. Got it.

> the Quran said that Allah is the creator of
> everything because Quran has wanted to enforce laws for more order, because
> you have to believe that Allah is the creator of everything to be able to be
> more "order", so now you are understanding that

Allah deceived us into believing he created everything,
when in fact he did not, to muster us into obedient
slaves so we'd obey the law. Okay. Got it.

> the Quran is not the complete truth

I would not trust a God who did not reveal the truth to
us, but deceived us.

There is one deceiver, Amine. Satan. If you seek the
truth about Islam, you will learn the truth about it,
and in seeking the truth you will also find Jesus Christ,
who is literal truth:

https://thereligionofpeace.com/pages/myths/index.aspx

Myths. Falsehoods. The truth about Islam.

> because it needs to govern humans,
> the Quran is also a story that was invented to be able to govern humans, and
> the Quran is not only the saying of Allah but it is also
> the saying of prophet Mohamed.

You didn't answer my question: Who created Allah? Who
created the universe your lying Allah so casually claims
he did, when a smart person would realize he did not?

Are you starting to see through the falseness of Islam's
web of lies yet?

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

On 27/09/2018 23:23, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> Allah is literally Satan, Amine, a liar and an imitator only.  He is not a
> creator, nor is he /THE/ creator.

"Allah" is simply the Arabic word for "God" you fucktard. Muslims worship
the same fucking God that you Christians cretinously follow and it still
doesn't exist, fucktard.

/Flibble

--
"Suppose it’s all true, and you walk up to the pearly gates, and are
confronted by God," Bryne asked on his show The Meaning of Life. "What
will Stephen Fry say to him, her, or it?"
"I’d say, bone cancer in children? What’s that about?" Fry replied.
"How dare you? How dare you create a world to which there is such misery
that is not our fault. It’s not right, it’s utterly, utterly evil."
"Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a
world that is so full of injustice and pain. That’s what I would say."

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Thursday, September 27, 2018 at 6:59:33 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 27/09/2018 23:23, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > Allah is literally Satan, Amine, a liar and an imitator only.  He is not a
> > creator, nor is he /THE/ creator.
>

> "Allah" is simply the Arabic word for "God" you .. . Muslims worship
> the same .. God that you Christians cretinously follow and it still
> doesn't exist, .. .

Allah is the generic name for "god," but it's also the proper name for
the god of Islam.

If you knew more about Islam and Christianity, you would realize that
the god of Islsm and the God of Israel, are unrelated. It reveals itself.

Have you ever heard of gifted students with so much potential, but they don't
apply themselves to study so they wash out?

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

On 28/09/2018 11:57, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Thursday, September 27, 2018 at 6:59:33 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> On 27/09/2018 23:23, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> Allah is literally Satan, Amine, a liar and an imitator only.  He is not a
>>> creator, nor is he /THE/ creator.
>>
>> "Allah" is simply the Arabic word for "God" you .. . Muslims worship
>> the same .. God that you Christians cretinously follow and it still
>> doesn't exist, .. .
>
> Allah is the generic name for "god," but it's also the proper name for
> the god of Islam.

Wrong you ignorant fuckwit:

"Arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews,
use the word "Allah" to mean "God".[10] The Christian Arabs of today have
no other word for "God" than "Allah".[31] (Even the Arabic-descended
Maltese language of Malta, whose population is almost entirely Roman
Catholic, uses Alla for "God".) Arab Christians, for example, use the
terms Allāh al-ab (الله الأب) for God the Father, Allāh al-ibn (الله
الابن) for God the Son, and Allāh al-rūḥ al-quds (الله الروح القدس) for
God the Holy Spirit. (See God in Christianity for the Christian concept of
God.)" -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah

>
> If you knew more about Islam and Christianity, you would realize that
> the god of Islsm and the God of Israel, are unrelated. It reveals itself.

It appears it is I who knows more about this subject than you and I am an
atheist.

> Have you ever heard of gifted students with so much potential, but they don't
> apply themselves to study so they wash out?

It is obvious who didn't pay enough attention in school and it isn't me.
You are a classic case of the Dunning-Kruger Effect. Get a clue you
bigoted ignorant cretin.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 4:35:42 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 28/09/2018 11:57, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 27, 2018 at 6:59:33 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> >> On 27/09/2018 23:23, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> >>> Allah is literally Satan, Amine, a liar and an imitator only.  He is not a
> >>> creator, nor is he /THE/ creator.
> >>
> >> "Allah" is simply the Arabic word for "God" you .. . Muslims worship
> >> the same .. God that you Christians cretinously follow and it still
> >> doesn't exist, .. .
> >
> > Allah is the generic name for "god," but it's also the proper name for
> > the god of Islam.
>

> Wrong you ignorant .. :

>
> "Arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews,
> use the word "Allah" to mean "God".[10] The Christian Arabs of today have
> no other word for "God" than "Allah".[31] (Even the Arabic-descended
> Maltese language of Malta, whose population is almost entirely Roman
> Catholic, uses Alla for "God".) Arab Christians, for example, use the
> terms Allāh al-ab (الله الأب) for God the Father, Allāh al-ibn (الله
> الابن) for God the Son, and Allāh al-rūḥ al-quds (الله الروح القدس) for
> God the Holy Spirit. (See God in Christianity for the Christian concept of
> God.)" -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah

Wikipedia is not a good source for definitive religious
content. It is compromised by people who have an agenda
against legitimate teachings.

> > If you knew more about Islam and Christianity, you would realize that
> > the god of Islsm and the God of Israel, are unrelated. It reveals itself.
>
> It appears it is I who knows more about this subject than you and I am an
> atheist.

I watch an Arabic Christian pastor each week. He is Pastor
JD Farag on YouTube. He has spoken many times about the use
of the word "allah" for God and what it means.

But the God of the Bible is not just "God." He has revealed
His names. He is Jehovah. His Son's name is Yeshua (Jesus).
And He has a host of other names which describe His attributes,
including "I AM" (called "The Great I AM").

Names of God in the Bible:

https://www.jesusfilm.org/blog-and-stories/names-of-god.html

Adonai:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9P5q_xo2a0

Ancient Of Days:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m04UJ6BCrI

Elohim:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIf6j-WeyFw

El Elyon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3i9j-GpMco

El Olam:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tr5VwH90a4

El Roi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQRkfr-mcHs

El Shaddai:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuXB1a3NBCw

Jehovah Jireh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy2FFM9Kjqw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6WexG9uAJI&t=1m54s

Jehovah Nissi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6WexG9uAJI&t=2m2s

Jehovah Raah (Rohi)
Jehovah Rapha
Jehovah Sabaoth
Jehovah Shalom
Jehovah Shammah
Jehovah Tsidkenu
Jehovah Mekoddishkem
YHWH (Yahweh or Jehovah)

He has more than one name. It would be beyond foolish
to call the God of the Bible "Allah." It would be correct
to refer to the "allah" of the Bible by His proper names,
but even then it is only where the language uses that name.

Much to learn you still have, young padawan.

> > Have you ever heard of gifted students with so much potential, but they don't
> > apply themselves to study so they wash out?
>
> It is obvious who didn't pay enough attention in school and it isn't me.
> You are a classic case of the Dunning-Kruger Effect. Get a clue you
> bigoted ignorant cretin.

If I am mistaken on any of the things I teach I will gladly
apologize and make the appropriate corrections.

Will you also do the same?

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

On 28/09/2018 22:39, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> He has more than one name. It would be beyond foolish
> to call the God of the Bible "Allah." It would be correct
> to refer to the "allah" of the Bible by His proper names,
> but even then it is only where the language uses that name.
>
> Much to learn you still have, young padawan.

ORLY?

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Islam

Now fuck off you demented ignorant stupid fuckwit.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 5:43:34 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 28/09/2018 22:39, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > He has more than one name. It would be beyond foolish
> > to call the God of the Bible "Allah." It would be correct
> > to refer to the "allah" of the Bible by His proper names,
> > but even then it is only where the language uses that name.
> >
> > Much to learn you still have, young padawan.
>
> ORLY?

> ... Names_of_God_in_Islam
> Now .. you demented ignorant stupid .. .

Islam came into existence in the 600s.

Satan is only an imitator, Leigh. He's not an originator.
God had many names, so he imitated God when he invented
Islam to deceive people into following a false religion.

The good news is, the only people who will follow Islam
are those who are lost. The rest will come out from the
deception, turn to Jesus, ask forgiveness and be saved.
This is happening to the Muslim world in miraculous and
many ways daily. Some devout Muslims report seeing im-
ages of Jesus appear before them, and they convert, even
at the risk of being killed, or having their family be
killed.

If you want to know the truth, it's before you. All you
have to do is seek it.

I used to be an atheist too, Leigh. Atheists are not
immune to the pull of God when He draws you in to save
you. No one is immune. The only people not being saved
are those who are not being saved.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 9/28/2018 6:00 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Satan is only an imitator, Leigh. He's not an originator.
> God had many names, so he imitated God when he invented
> Islam to deceive people into following a false religion.

The Bible records only three times where the actual voice
of Satan is recorded: (1) when Satan tempted Adam and Eve,
(2) in the book of Job where God talks to Satan, and (3)
when Jesus was being tempted.

In those verses Satan revealed his plan for how to deceive
mankind. His m.o. has never changed:

(1) "God's not being good enough to you."
(2) "God, you're being too good..."
(3) "If you'll worship me, I'll be better to you
than God is."

In (1) Satan said to Adam and Eve "Hath God said you shall
not eat of the fruits of the garden? ... You will not surely
die, for God knows on the day you eat of it you will be like
God, knowing good and evil." Translation: God's holding
out on you. He's withholding His blessing. You need to lis-
ten to me and I'll teach you the true path to enlightenment.

In (2) God addresses Satan in Heaven, and Satan responds:
"Does Job worship you for nothing? You have put a hedge
around Him and blessed the work of his hands." Translation:
God, you're too good to Job. If you take away the many
blessings you've given him, he will curse you to your face.
And for act 2, God again addresses Satan and this time when
Satan responds he says, "Skin for skin. A man will give
all he has to save his skin," so God allows Satan to in-
flict his body with great sickness, but he could not take
his life. Satan covers Job's body with hideous and pain-
ful boils from the soles of his feet to the crown of his
head. But in all of this, when all his possessions were
taken away, and when his health was completely miserable,
never did Job curse God, nor reject Him.

In (3) Satan comes to tempt Jesus in the wilderness. He
says, "You see all this? It has been given to me, and I
can give it to whomever I choose. If you will bow down
and worship me, I will give you all these kingdoms."
Translation: God would never give you all this. If you
want to have true riches, you must come to me, for I am
willing to bless you beyond that which God will.

In each of these cases you see Satan pitting man against
God, God against man, and then Satan steps in to be the
good guy.

In Islam, it's the same m.o. Islam charges that Christianity
had become corrupted, and Allah had to step in to undo the
multitude of corruptions, correcting what the false Christian
church had done in error for centuries.

Islam introduces division between the Jewish and Christian
God and man, and between man and their faith, and then swoops
in to be the solution, just like in the 1..2..3 example he's
always used.

-----
Jesus denied Satan's offer, and we read in Matthew 28:18
that after Jesus completed the work of God at the cross,
and was raised on the third day, all power and authority
in Heaven and on the Earth (not just the kingdoms of the
Earth Satan was offering) have been given to Jesus.

For each of us, but turning away from Satan and following
only after God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the
Holy Spirit, so are we doing rightly here in this world,
and we will receive the full reward after we leave this
world.

It comes down to the gift of faith given by God to all
who are being saved. You will know if God is calling you
to be saved on the inside of your heart. He presents Him-
self in a way that you can uniquely identify and know that
it is His call, and not some deception. You will also
read these words and here a confirmation in your spirit,
which is being awakened by God as He alone is the giver of
life, both of physical life, and of spiritual life, and
that new understanding you discern coming into your life,
the way you are realizing that you're looking at things
differently than you use to, it's all evidence of the work
of God in your spirit in your life, which will culminate
in you coming to Jesus in repentance, asking forgiveness
for your sin, and receiving eternal life, and being forever
changed here in this world to start, and then on into
eternity.

Consider the songs taught by the enemy of God through
sinful men and women. Pick the top 10 songs of any year
and go through the lyrics and compare them to the teach-
ings of the Bible, and of the guidance by the Holy Spirit.

You'll find that of those top 10 they are either teaching
directly against God's teachings, or are fairly neutral
and serve as gateway songs to get you to buy the album so
you can then hear the teachings later which are false in
the rest of the songs.

Very rarely in anything mainstream will see Christ pre-
sented properly. Even in TV shows like When Calls The
Heart on Hallmark Channel, which has an early 1900s set-
ting, and a relatively strong Christian presence in the
community, still when they quote Bible verses they do
not quote them accurately. They'll say "Corinthians"
when they cite something, rather than "1st Corinthians"
or "2nd Corinthians." They use the term "good book"
rather than the Bible, etc.

The true God of the universe, God the Father, God the
Son, God the Holy Spirit, is being suppressed in this
world by the enemy, who wants to keep us following after
him, after sin, after wrong things, so he can keep us
trapped on that road to Hell, in unrepentance, under
condemnation, in judgment, etc.

I urge you to investigate these things and see for
yourself. Go to the pages of scripture and read for
yourself the teachings of the Holy Spirit, and see if
they align with the things of this world, explaining
it exactly, and see if you can't also see that division
which exists between the people who follow after God in
this world, and the enemy who seeks to have us following
after him in God's place.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

On 29/09/2018 16:01, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On 9/28/2018 6:00 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

[snip] (tl;dr)

Fucktard who thinks that Satan invented fossils, fuck off.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 11:59:05 AM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 29/09/2018 16:01, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On 9/28/2018 6:00 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> [snip] (tl;dr)

Was posted for those who can hear the truth, and are being saved.

> .. who thinks that Satan invented fossils, .. .

Never said that. Don't believe it. Fossils exist. They are not
millions/billions of years old. That's the lie.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Juha Nieminen]

Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Never said that. Don't believe it. Fossils exist. They are not
> millions/billions of years old. That's the lie.

Yeah. Hundreds of thousands, perhaps even millions, of scientists from all
around the world, from different countries, backgrounds, cultures and
belief systems, are all in a huge well-hidden conspiracy to tell and
promote the same lie.

Why would a scientist from India, with a Hindu background, a scientist
from Japan, with a Buddhist background, a scientist from Egypt, with a
Muslim background, a scientist from Israel, with a Jewish background,
and a scientist from Spain, with a Christian background, all secretly
agree to tell the same lie? Who knows, but it must be so!

Young earth creationists live in this illusory world, where they think
that "science" is run by a small elite group of people who dictate what
the "scientific consensus" is, and every scientist in the world, no
matter where they are from or what their background is, just follows it
without question.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

If you want to know the truth, Juha, look at the evidence. It
teaches you the truth.

If you can understand spoken English, watch this video. If not,
see if you can't find someone who can and have them translate it
for you. Watch it together and discuss what is being taught here:

Dinosaurs (with man in history, hundreds of real-world
documentation sources showing dinosaurs living with man):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsQIF7Yh3hI

There is simply too much evidence regarding dinosaurs alone. It
throws doubt on the whole evolution theory. This, of course, does
not include the complexities found in DNA systems, which completely
undoes the entirety of the evolution argument, burying it as a lit-
erally laughable concept once the intricacies of the microscopic
nature of all life are uncovered. It literally screams and cries
out with the loudest voice imaginable: CREATOR! DESIGNER! THIS
WAS PURPOSEFULLY ENGINEERED!

DNA Replication -- an incredible machine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jtmOZaIvS0

Amazing Molecular Machines in Your Body
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_tYrnv_o6A

You look at this incredibly complex coordinated system of opera-
tion to replicate all of our DNA ... and then say "it just hap-
pened over millions and billions of years" ... it betrays reason
and science, because the information stored in the DNA has to have
come from somewhere, and no non-intelligent system has ever been
observed in the laboratory to produce new information. That which
exists simply follows pre-established laws, and obeys the rules of
our universe. Information generation always comes from an intel-
ligience, and that means a designer; and when you look at the full
scope of life we see on this planet, that means God:

[DNA, The] Programming of Life:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00vBqYDBW5s

Science itself teaches that evolution is false. It teaches that
millions and billions of years could not have happened. Even
our own Earth's motion, and our own moon teaches us by its motion,
the truth.

We know now that the Earth is slowing down. We know now that the
moon is slowly drifting away from the Earth. Run the math back-
wards and you'll see what would've happened less than 100,000 yrs
ago.

-----
It's all there, Juha. And if you seek out the truth you will see
it because God will see to it that you find it when you are truly
seeking it. But if you are content to believe the lie, the enemy
is there to lead you to whichever lie you'll believe in.

Seek the truth honestly and truly. Accept nothing less. Ever.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Queequeg]

Mr Flibble <flibbleREM...@i42.co.uk> wrote:

> Fucktard who thinks that Satan invented fossils, fuck off.

Flibble,

It seems that every sane person on this group already has Rick in their
killfile and sees his posts only because you're trying to argue with him
or insult him. The only sane solution seems to put you in a killfile too.

Please think about it.

--
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lSzL1DqQn0

[Mr Flibble]

On 01/10/2018 11:28, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
[drivel snipped]

Time to add this obtuse fuckwit to my killfile.

[Mr Flibble]

On 01/10/2018 13:12, Queequeg wrote:
> Mr Flibble <flibbleREM...@i42.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Fucktard who thinks that Satan invented fossils, fuck off.
>
> Flibble,
>
> It seems that every sane person on this group already has Rick in their
> killfile and sees his posts only because you're trying to argue with him
> or insult him. The only sane solution seems to put you in a killfile too.
>
> Please think about it.

You are right of course; I've added the egregious obtuse bigoted cunt to
my killfile.

[Öö Tiib]

On Monday, 1 October 2018 11:22:04 UTC+3, Juha Nieminen wrote:
> Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Never said that. Don't believe it. Fossils exist. They are not
> > millions/billions of years old. That's the lie.
>
> Yeah. Hundreds of thousands, perhaps even millions, of scientists from all
> around the world, from different countries, backgrounds, cultures and
> belief systems, are all in a huge well-hidden conspiracy to tell and
> promote the same lie.

Yes, but there will be always nitwits who lecture flat earth, geocentric,
young earth, hollow earth and/or whatever other nonsense and YouTube
that trash. One just has to ignore and filter garbage in this world.
Ways, tools and skills to ignore junk should be taught in schools as
that knowledge is perhaps most important in coming years.

[Scott Lurndal]

That's hard to do when children are indoctrinated (brainwashed) into
their religious sect before their brains have developed sufficiently
to think critically about what they're being taught.

[Mr Flibble]

+1.

[Christian Gollwitzer]

Am 01.10.18 um 12:28 schrieb Rick C. Hodgin:

> On 10/1/2018 4:21 AM, Juha Nieminen wrote:
>>
>> Why would a scientist from India, with a Hindu background, a scientist
>> from Japan, with a Buddhist background, a scientist from Egypt, with a
>> Muslim background, a scientist from Israel, with a Jewish background,
>> and a scientist from Spain, with a Christian background, all secretly
>> agree to tell the same lie? Who knows, but it must be so!
>>
>> Young earth creationists live in this illusory world, where they think
>> that "science" is run by a small elite group of people who dictate what
>> the "scientific consensus" is, and every scientist in the world, no
>> matter where they are from or what their background is, just follows it
>> without question.
>
> If you want to know the truth, Juha, look at the evidence.  It
> teaches you the truth.

He did. And he wrote his conclusion above: that the earth is several
billions of years old, as supported by scientists all around the world.

> This, of course, does
> not include the complexities found in DNA systems, which completely
> undoes the entirety of the evolution argument, burying it as a lit-
> erally laughable concept once the intricacies of the microscopic
> nature of all life are uncovered.  It literally screams and cries
> out with the loudest voice imaginable:  CREATOR!  DESIGNER!  THIS
> WAS PURPOSEFULLY ENGINEERED!

A common misunderstanding. Just because something looks complicated, it
does not need to be "engineered". Who put the beautiful patterns in the
Mandelbrot fractal set? Nobody. They are not even there, your brain
infers them from a mathematical structure and thinks "oh, great designer"

> the DNA has to have
> come from somewhere, and no non-intelligent system has ever been
> observed in the laboratory to produce new information.

Wrong. Lookup genetic algorithms. The rules are extremely simple, yet
this mathematical simulation of evolution produces extremely complex
"well-designed" solutions to a given task. Even when you talk about
material evolution, short (self-reproducing) RNA sequences can be
produced by mixing chemicals and sending lightning strokes to them:

https://www.wired.com/2009/05/ribonucleotides/

It's just a matter of probability.

Christian

[Christian Gollwitzer]

Am 01.10.18 um 20:04 schrieb Mr Flibble:

> On 01/10/2018 18:59, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> =?UTF-8?B?w5bDtiBUaWli?= <oot...@hot.ee> writes:
>>> On Monday, 1 October 2018 11:22:04 UTC+3, Juha Nieminen  wrote:
>>>> Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Never said that.  Don't believe it.  Fossils exist.  They are not
>>>>> millions/billions of years old.  That's the lie.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah. Hundreds of thousands, perhaps even millions, of scientists
>>>> from all
>>>> around the world, from different countries, backgrounds, cultures and
>>>> belief systems, are all in a huge well-hidden conspiracy to tell and
>>>> promote the same lie.
>>>
>>> Yes, but there will be always nitwits who lecture flat earth,
>>> geocentric,
>>> young earth, hollow earth  and/or whatever other nonsense and YouTube
>>> that trash. One just has to ignore and filter garbage in this world.
>>> Ways, tools and skills to ignore junk should be taught in schools as
>>> that knowledge is perhaps most important in coming years.
>>
>> That's hard to do when children are indoctrinated (brainwashed) into
>> their religious sect before their brains have developed sufficiently
>> to think critically about what they're being taught.
>
> +1.

+1. It was known 2000 years ago and purposefully put into the religion:

https://biblehub.com/matthew/19-14.htm

Christian

[Juha Nieminen]

Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dinosaurs (with man in history, hundreds of real-world
> documentation sources showing dinosaurs living with man):

Dinosaurs never co-existed with humans, but even if they did,
so what? What does that have anything to do with how old the
earth is, or how old fossils are?

The ancestors of the coelacanth that existed tens of millions of
years ago were very similar to the modern ones. The coelacanth
order still lives today. So what? Does that tell us something about
the age of the earth? No. Why should it?

Heck, just look at sharks. They haven't changed very much in
millions of years, yet they live to this day. So what? You don't
need to go to "dinosaurs co-existend with humans" conspiracy
theories. You can simply point to sharks, crocodiles and the
coelacanth for examples of clades that haven't changed much in
a very long time, and are still living today.

Creationists have this strange mistaken notion that "evolution
claims that dinosaurs went extint 65 million years ago". The
theory of evolution says no such thing. It takes absolutely no
stance on when some particular clade went or didn't go extinct.
It's not its field of study. (Paleontology is the field that
you are looking for, not evolution. And even if paleontology
is mistaken with a particular clade, it says absolutely nothing
about the age of the earth or the veracity of the theory of
evolution.)

> There is simply too much evidence regarding dinosaurs alone.

Evidence of what, exactly?

> It throws doubt on the whole evolution theory.

Dinosaurs have absolutely nothing to do with the theory of
evolution. Whatever you think you know about them is completely
irrelevant.

> This, of course, does
> not include the complexities found in DNA systems, which completely
> undoes the entirety of the evolution argument

Yeah, because you say so. You don't even understand what the theory
of evolution says. Prove me wrong, and give me an explanation of
what the theory is about.

> Information generation always comes from an intelligience

Even you don't believe that. Because if you did, then your God
would need a creator as well. After all, if all information must
come from an intelligence, where did your God, with all of your
information, come from? ("He has always existed" immediately
contradicts your original assertion, not to talk about you having
exactly zero evidence of it.)

> Science itself teaches that evolution is false. It teaches that
> millions and billions of years could not have happened. Even
> our own Earth's motion, and our own moon teaches us by its motion,
> the truth.

Isn't it funny how only young earth creationists know "real science",
while no other scientist does?

> We know now that the Earth is slowing down. We know now that the
> moon is slowly drifting away from the Earth. Run the math back-
> wards and you'll see what would've happened less than 100,000 yrs
> ago.

Clearly you didn't run those numbers yourself, but instead you just
believe the lies that creationists like Kent and Eric Hovind tell you.

Go ahead, and pluck the numbers into a calculator yourself, I dare you.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 6:28:44 AM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Seek the truth honestly and truly. Accept nothing less. Ever.

I was an atheist. I had to be honest with myself. I knew I had
not studied the contents of the Bible well enough to say with an
absolute certainty that I was right in believing it was all a bunch
of man-made clap-trap.

I resolved within myself to read the Bible and get a solid under-
standing of its contents so I could know with certainty that I was
rejecting it on authority, with good reason, and I could then stand
unashamed before anyone and refute its contents.

The moment I set my sights on knowing the truth about the Bible,
God drew me in to receive the truth ... and it took me to a place
I did not expect, could not have believed apart from His drawing,
and one that it took me months to believe actually happened to me,
and I still feel that way at times 14+ years later.

-----
For those being saved, the change that comes over your thinking
is revolutionary. The old ways of everything related to you pass
away, and the new ways God gives you come to you.

You have to have this happen to you to believe it.

For everyone who's being saved ... it will happen to them at some
point. For the rest, they'll go to their grave convinced they
are absolutely right without any doubt whatsoever, only to find
they believed the lie, and it cost them their soul.

If there wasn't so much riding on this ... I wouldn't teach you
all about it. I don't like being attacked by everybody, but I
know I don't do it for those who are attacking me. I do it for
those who will be saved someday. That allows me to keep going.

I pray for each of you who do not believe today. And all I am
asking you is what Jesus Himself asks you do to in the Bible:
taste and see for yourself if what the Bible says is true.

Would you take someone else's word for how strawberries taste?
I'm asking you to go and investigate for yourself if these
things I'm teaching you about are true or not. Don't assume.
Seek to know for certain. Press in relentlessly and absolutely
demand the truth from the pages of scripture, and from God Him-
self. If you are seeking the truth truly ... then He will know
this, and He will lead you to it.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 3:11:57 PM UTC-4, Juha Nieminen wrote:
> Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dinosaurs (with man in history, hundreds of real-world
> > documentation sources showing dinosaurs living with man):
>
> Dinosaurs never co-existed with humans, but even if they did,
> so what? What does that have anything to do with how old the
> earth is, or how old fossils are?

I can't make you believe, Juha. If you want to know the truth,
the information is available to you. Seek it out.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 6:28:44 AM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

I urge everyone to examine this data. You owe it to yourself
to seek out the truth and know for certain if what you are be-
ing taught by the enemy I'm teaching you exists in this world
is really the way it is, or if it's really the result of that
enemy's teachings.

I have no agenda to deceive you. No personal goal in teaching
you these things. I'm not going to ask you for money, or ask
you to join the church I belong to. All I care about is your
eternal soul.

I do not want you to face judgment. I want you to be forgiven
for your sin, and to be restored to the eternity God created
for you to share with Him, to thrive in that paradise of God.

I want the best for you, for your future, for your family, for
your friends, co-workers, classmates, etc.

> Science itself teaches that evolution is false. It teaches that
> millions and billions of years could not have happened. Even
> our own Earth's motion, and our own moon teaches us by its motion,
> the truth.
>
> We know now that the Earth is slowing down. We know now that the
> moon is slowly drifting away from the Earth. Run the math back-
> wards and you'll see what would've happened less than 100,000 yrs
> ago.

It's not just those things. It's also the strength of the Earth's
magnetic field, which is decreasing over time.

Everything here on this Earth is winding down. It hasn't been in
a constant state of improving. It started out fully complete and
beautiful and functional per God's design about 6,000 years ago.
The Bible refers to this as the golden age. Over time it's been
winding down, and has seen the silver age, the bronze age, and
now we're in a new age of iron and baked clay, which do not mix.

Everything decreases over time because of sin. What God calls
us to is a future without such things, where there is no decrease,
where nothing diminishes, where (like Jesus with the fishes and
the loaves, or like our digital copies of data), we can have the
thing, and use it too. In Heaven, we can use our possessions and
they won't go away. Like Moses with the fire in the burning bush,
but the wood was not consumed.

> -----
> It's all there, Juha. And if you seek out the truth you will see
> it because God will see to it that you find it when you are truly
> seeking it. But if you are content to believe the lie, the enemy
> is there to lead you to whichever lie you'll believe in.
>
> Seek the truth honestly and truly. Accept nothing less. Ever.

What God has for us is worth investigating. I pray you check it

[Chris M. Thomasson]

There are some interesting patterns in them there hills... ;^)

[Chris M. Thomasson]

Fwiw, I always thought the the book of Job mentioned the "Behemoths"...
Was it referencing dinosaurs? Iirc, some said they had a tail the size
of the trunk of the Cedars of Lebanon.

[Reinhardt Behm]

AT Tuesday 02 October 2018 03:39, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> It's not just those things. It's also the strength of the Earth's
> magnetic field, which is decreasing over time.
>
> Everything here on this Earth is winding down. It hasn't been in
> a constant state of improving. It started out fully complete and
> beautiful and functional per God's design about 6,000 years ago.
> The Bible refers to this as the golden age. Over time it's been
> winding down, and has seen the silver age, the bronze age, and
> now we're in a new age of iron and baked clay, which do not mix.

You tell us that your "great designer" was not able to see this and design
something sustainable. I would call this a bad hack, not the result of
"intelligent" design.

> Everything decreases over time because of sin. What God calls
> us to is a future without such things, where there is no decrease,
> where nothing diminishes, where (like Jesus with the fishes and
> the loaves, or like our digital copies of data), we can have the
> thing, and use it too. In Heaven, we can use our possessions and
> they won't go away. Like Moses with the fire in the burning bush,
> but the wood was not consumed.

And now you tell us that we should trust this bad hacker to have created
something that will last.
No thanks I only buy from reliable suppliers.

--
Reinhardt

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 9:57:49 PM UTC-4, Reinhardt Behm wrote:
> AT Tuesday 02 October 2018 03:39, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> > It's not just those things. It's also the strength of the Earth's
> > magnetic field, which is decreasing over time.
> >
> > Everything here on this Earth is winding down. It hasn't been in
> > a constant state of improving. It started out fully complete and
> > beautiful and functional per God's design about 6,000 years ago.
> > The Bible refers to this as the golden age. Over time it's been
> > winding down, and has seen the silver age, the bronze age, and
> > now we're in a new age of iron and baked clay, which do not mix.
>
> You tell us that your "great designer" was not able to see this and design
> something sustainable. I would call this a bad hack, not the result of
> "intelligent" design.

There's a teaching here you miss. God created everything perfect.
It was man's sin that destroyed that perfection.

> > Everything decreases over time because of sin. What God calls
> > us to is a future without such things, where there is no decrease,
> > where nothing diminishes, where (like Jesus with the fishes and
> > the loaves, or like our digital copies of data), we can have the
> > thing, and use it too. In Heaven, we can use our possessions and
> > they won't go away. Like Moses with the fire in the burning bush,
> > but the wood was not consumed.
>
> And now you tell us that we should trust this bad hacker to have created
> something that will last.
> No thanks I only buy from reliable suppliers.

God's Kingdom is eternal. Sin is only here in this world. It is
His Kingdom He calls us to, not this world.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Ian Collins]

On 01/10/18 23:28, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> Dinosaurs (with man in history, hundreds of real-world
> documentation sources showing dinosaurs living with man):

https://letterstocreationists.wordpress.com/dinosaur-soft-tissue/

> Seek the truth honestly and truly. Accept nothing less. Ever.

Learn from your own songbook.

--
Ian.

[Reinhardt Behm]

AT Tuesday 02 October 2018 12:01, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 9:57:49 PM UTC-4, Reinhardt Behm wrote:
>> AT Tuesday 02 October 2018 03:39, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>
>> > It's not just those things. It's also the strength of the Earth's
>> > magnetic field, which is decreasing over time.
>> >
>> > Everything here on this Earth is winding down. It hasn't been in
>> > a constant state of improving. It started out fully complete and
>> > beautiful and functional per God's design about 6,000 years ago.
>> > The Bible refers to this as the golden age. Over time it's been
>> > winding down, and has seen the silver age, the bronze age, and
>> > now we're in a new age of iron and baked clay, which do not mix.
>>
>> You tell us that your "great designer" was not able to see this and
>> design something sustainable. I would call this a bad hack, not the
>> result of "intelligent" design.
>
> There's a teaching here you miss. God created everything perfect.
> It was man's sin that destroyed that perfection.

He created everything. So he also created sin. Bad design, incompetent
designer. Broken by design.

>
>> > Everything decreases over time because of sin. What God calls
>> > us to is a future without such things, where there is no decrease,
>> > where nothing diminishes, where (like Jesus with the fishes and
>> > the loaves, or like our digital copies of data), we can have the
>> > thing, and use it too. In Heaven, we can use our possessions and
>> > they won't go away. Like Moses with the fire in the burning bush,
>> > but the wood was not consumed.
>>
>> And now you tell us that we should trust this bad hacker to have created
>> something that will last.
>> No thanks I only buy from reliable suppliers.
>
> God's Kingdom is eternal. Sin is only here in this world. It is
> His Kingdom He calls us to, not this world.

--

Reinhardt

[Juha Nieminen]

Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 3:11:57 PM UTC-4, Juha Nieminen wrote:
>> Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Dinosaurs (with man in history, hundreds of real-world
>> > documentation sources showing dinosaurs living with man):
>>
>> Dinosaurs never co-existed with humans, but even if they did,
>> so what? What does that have anything to do with how old the
>> earth is, or how old fossils are?
>
> I can't make you believe, Juha. If you want to know the truth,
> the information is available to you. Seek it out.

I notice that you never answer any questions. I'll take that as a sign
that you don't have any answers.

You don't understand the theory of evolution, you don't understand
anything about science, and the only thing you are doing is parroting
other young earth creationists, and avoiding answering any questions.
You have no interest in actually having a conversation, you only spout
doctrine like a mindless robot.

[Juha Nieminen]

Chris M. Thomasson <invalid_chr...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Fwiw, I always thought the the book of Job mentioned the "Behemoths"...
> Was it referencing dinosaurs? Iirc, some said they had a tail the size
> of the trunk of the Cedars of Lebanon.

No, it says that the tail moves like a cedar. Even creationists can't read
their own scripture.

[Juha Nieminen]

Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 6:28:44 AM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> Seek the truth honestly and truly. Accept nothing less. Ever.
>
> I was an atheist.

What you are is a liar, plain and simple.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

I was just trying to remember if cedar was even in there.

[David Brown]

On 02/10/18 03:57, Reinhardt Behm wrote:
> AT Tuesday 02 October 2018 03:39, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
>> It's not just those things. It's also the strength of the Earth's
>> magnetic field, which is decreasing over time.
>>
>> Everything here on this Earth is winding down. It hasn't been in
>> a constant state of improving. It started out fully complete and
>> beautiful and functional per God's design about 6,000 years ago.
>> The Bible refers to this as the golden age. Over time it's been
>> winding down, and has seen the silver age, the bronze age, and
>> now we're in a new age of iron and baked clay, which do not mix.
>
> You tell us that your "great designer" was not able to see this and design
> something sustainable. I would call this a bad hack, not the result of
> "intelligent" design.
>

The "intelligent" design crowd are very fond of looking at things around
them, failing to understand them, and thinking that means there must
have been a designer. A classic case is the human eye - they can't see
the point of "half an eye", therefore they don't think it evolved. I'd
suggest they look closer at the human eye and see just how /badly/
designed it really is. As a divine biology project, it would get a D-
with a "see me afterwards about the blatant plagiarism of fish eyes
without understanding the principles involved".

If you want proof of the non-existence of a "great designer", look to
the mistakes, the hacks, the workarounds that surround us.

[Ian Collins]

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/ambigamy/201403/why-won-t-they-listen-reason

--
Ian

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 12:49:41 AM UTC-4, Reinhardt Behm wrote:
> AT Tuesday 02 October 2018 12:01, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > There's a teaching here you miss. God created everything perfect.
> > It was man's sin that destroyed that perfection.
>
> He created everything. So he also created sin. Bad design, incompetent
> designer. Broken by design.

That is the enemy's voice speaking through your mind, Reinhardt.

God created everything perfect. God created man and gave him
truly a free will. God didn't create zombie robots parroting
His commands, obeying Him then without question because they
were programmed to do so.

Instead, He created a family. Those who are like Him, made in
His own image and likeness, such that we can commune with Him.

He made us to be unique, independent, free thinkers. And He
guided Adam and Eve, and He guides us in the way(s) we should
go. He warns about the cost of sin (loss of eternal life, of
their eternal soul).

And yet ... even in our rebellion against Him, still He gave
us a second chance by sending us Jesus to take our sin away...
to make a way back to be with Him.

-----
The enemy is already lost, Reinhardt. He knows his future is
the eternal lake of fire. So he spreads his nets, and casts
out his lies in the hopes that you, and others, will believe
those lies, and it will keep you from coming to God.

The response David Brown gives, it's a perfect example of how
the enemy provides reasons which seem to make sense to our
flesh as to the cause of things, but they deny God, and they
deny His authority, and they deny the need for Jesus Christ
to forgive our sin.

It is there the enemy is found (in lies). And it is there
Jesus is found (in truth, for He is truth, the author of it,
and the embodiment of all truth). Jesus said, "When you hear
the truth, you hear my voice."

It's before you, Reinhardt. It's not my job to make you or
anyone else believe. It /IS/ my job to teach you the truth,
and to reach out to you in a multitude of ways to bypass the
enemy's influence on you, seeking to provide the methodology
that will reach and touch you.

Try and look past "Rick" ... and try and see "Jesus" alone.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

> Chris M. Thomasson <invalid_chr...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > Fwiw, I always thought the the book of Job mentioned the "Behemoths"...
> > Was it referencing dinosaurs? Iirc, some said they had a tail the size
> > of the trunk of the Cedars of Lebanon.

I didn't answer you, Chris, because you can look it up yourself.
I did a Google search for "bible gateway kjv job cedar":

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+40%3A15-24&version=KJV

If you read in Young's Literal Translation, you see the wording
which most closely resembles the original text:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+40%3A15-24&version=YLT

17 He doth bend his tail as a cedar, The sinews of his
thighs are wrapped together,

How is it cedars bend? Is it at the hips and reach down and
touch the floor? Or do they not bend, and therefore the motion
of bending is describing the size of tail?

Behemoth is described as the chief of the ways of God:

18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones
are like bars of iron.
19 He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him
can make his sword to approach unto him.

And the entire passage is describing his form, mobility,
stature, and demeanor. It is stating that Job should look
to his creature, which did live with him at that time, which
God Himself is teaching Job did exist with man in Job 40.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 1:30:38 AM UTC-4, Juha Nieminen wrote:
> I notice that you never answer any questions...

I've tried to teach this before: But one of the enemy's traps
is to try to pigeonhole a response from someone on the things
of God.

The equivalent statement of, "You must come to me this way, on
my terms, describing the exact answers to my questions, no more,
and no less."

The enemy uses that approach because that's his domain. He's
already prepared your thinking against God in those areas, so
any information cast into that field will be easily deflected.

What God provides to people is truth, and truth is a native
thing. It exists fundamentally and is as it is, and is not
like anything else. Lies and falsehood can be like other things,
but truth cannot. It is always fully distilled, undiluted, pure,
and full of purpose and vision.

-----
What I teach you is about sin, Juha. It's about your sin before
God. It's about the punishment of sin upon your own soul, and
that means being cast forever into the eternal lake of fire. It
is about Jesus coming to this Earth to take your sin away and
give you the only way out of that condition.

I'm teaching you to look at the things of God which are revealed
to us over 1000s of years, and consider that God is considering
eternity in your future, and not just your N years here on this
Earth.

The Old Testament was written over 1500 years. The New Testament
was written within about 60 years of Jesus' crucifixion, but both
of them were written for us, the people yet to come, which would
be here at the end-times.

-----
The Bible has not been given mankind for nothing. And I urge you
to read it, and to approach it with a truth-seeking heart.

I urge you to turn off the music, turn off the TV, turn off the
distractions, and there in the silence, look at yourself in the
eyes in the mirror and tell me if I'm lying to you? Tell me if
I am advising you in any wrong way. Tell me if I have some kind
of deceptive ulterior motive in advising you to go to Jesus and
ask forgiveness for your sin, if I'm going to somehow gain in you
doing that, apart from gaining a brother in Christ?

You'll find that you can deceive me, you can even deceive your-
self at times, but you cannot deceive God. When you look into
your eyes in the mirror when there are no other distractions,
you will know in your soul that what I am teaching you is true.

The same goes for all of you.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 6:26:24 AM UTC-4, Ian Collins wrote:
> https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/ambigamy/201403/why-won-t-they-listen-reason

Ian, the enemy creates false reasons, alternate ideas, things that
sound tangible to our minds, ways of discounting God, of stating
that the things here in the natural are all there is, and there are
valid, scientific, materially-focused reasons for the reasons why
the way things are.

But it's a lie.

There is an active enemy here at work against all people world-
wide. That enemy is introducing things contrary to God's teaching,
contrary to the truth, contrary to God's guidance, and that enemy
is doing it to deceive people into believing the lie and remaining
in their sin.

What Jesus did was make a way out of that, and all who will seek
the truth, who desire to not be deceived, who desire to seek and
seriously pursue the truth to know the truth for real, all of
these are known to God, and they will be drawn out from the enemy
of this world, have his blinders on their mind removed as God
pours out His spirit of truth upon them, so that they are changed
from within, able to overcome that enemy, drawn from within to
come to Jesus and ask forgiveness so they can be saved.

The rest will literally perish in their sin on judgment Day.

I teach you these things because today you can still be saved.
Tomorrow may be too late. Tomorrow may never come. Today is
the day of salvation ... and yes, there is a real urgency, for
none of know which heartbeat will be our last.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 3:28:16 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
> A classic case is the human eye - they can't see
> the point of "half an eye", therefore they don't think it evolved.

You are made blind by the enemy, David, who appeals to your love
of sin. He has the wool pulled over your eyes and is whispering
his lies into your ears, keeping you in an artificial construction
of his plans for your future, which is to see you leave this world
without being forgiven of your sin, to then have you placed into a
position where God is /FORCED/ to judge you, to then have your own
eternal soul cast headlong into the lake of fire forever.

That enemy has designs on your future, designs on your present,
designs on your soul. He is already a lost creation, condemned by
what Jesus did at the cross. He is a defeated foe who seeks now
to take down as many as he can with him.

Don't be one of them, David. Put in the effort to seek the truth
and to know it and to be set free by coming to it.

I cannot help but pray for you and many others here. The love God
gave me, that lives in my heart, demands it, because I care about
you. I do not want to see you perish in eternity. I want to see
you alive in eternity, thriving in the paradise of God.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 8:02:21 AM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> And the entire passage is describing his form, mobility,
> stature, and demeanor. It is stating that Job should look
> to his creature, which did live with him at that time, which
> God Himself is teaching Job did exist with man in Job 40.

BTW, here you can see how the enemy works. God states something.
This opens up the opportunity for the enemy to state something
else. God states "Job lived with dinosaurs," and that "man in
general lived with dinosaurs" (Job 41:5).

Because God says X, the enemy has the opportunity to introduce
sin which says Y, or A, or B, or Z, or Q.

There is one correct answer to the question: "How old are you?"
But there are many lies.

Satan uses this ability to have many lies to create scenarios
which will appeal to your flesh. God says (paraphrased) "Examine
the dinosaurs, the mighty creatures that are chief of my works."
So the enemy says, "Dinosaurs didn't live with man. They died
millions of years ago. Perhaps some survived, but the fossils
you find, those are all millions of years old."

It's the lie ... sent forth to deceive. And it will entangle
all who are no looking for the truth.

Soft tissue and DNA have been found in tact in dinosaur
bones that mainstream science would report are millions
of years old (DNA can't last more than a few thousand
years if kept in ideal conditions, let alone buried in
the Earth):

Evidence that Dinosaurs Died Thousands (not Millions) of
Years Ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zF7qOciAu04

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[bol...@cylonhq.com]

On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 05:09:34 -0700 (PDT)
"Rick C Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 1:30:38 AM UTC-4, Juha Nieminen wrote:
>> I notice that you never answer any questions...
>
>I've tried to teach this before: But one of the enemy's traps
>is to try to pigeonhole a response from someone on the things
>of God.

So the Bible has the answers but when people ask questions and expect some
you claim its the enemy? What a nice simplistic way of deflection - if your
non specific vague replies don't work then claim the questioner is at fault.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoqueo

Try harder Rick.

[David Brown]

On 02/10/18 14:17, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 3:28:16 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
>> A classic case is the human eye - they can't see
>> the point of "half an eye", therefore they don't think it evolved.
>
> You are made blind by the enemy,

No, Rick, /you/ are blind - you have locked yourself into this vicious
circle of idiocy. For some bizarre reason (given your descriptions, it
was perhaps a nervous breakdown) you have decided that an absurdly
literal reading of some few parts of Genesis is "true". In order to
keep that, you need to have odd interpretations of all sorts of other
parts of the Bible, and /completely/ scrambled views on reality and
science. You have thrown all rational thought, logic, and critical
thinking out of the window. This is very far from Christianity - a key
aspect of a true relationship with god (whatever god you want) is to
make use of the "gifts" you are given. You, however, are utterly
rejecting the "gift" of reason - if there is a god out there somewhere,
that must be a terrible insult to him/her/it.

You have got yourself into a cult. It's the same mental process as
conspiracy theorists who take any proof that they are wrong as proof
that the conspiracy is even bigger - it is paranoid delusion.

Of course, it is unlikely that it will help to be told this. It is very
difficult to undo the kind of brainwashing you have let yourself in for
- and it rarely happens voluntarily.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 10/2/2018 8:38 AM, David Brown wrote:
> [snip]

I used to believe as you do, David. The words you write here
could've been written by me to another /BEFORE/ I came to Christ
in 2004.

When the change happened ... I could not believe it. I could
not believe how I changed, and how all things were different.

It takes an act of God to restore our dead spirit so that we
can then understand things in the ways un-corrupted by our
corrupt-in-sin flesh.

If it ever happens to you, David, then you will know what I
am speaking about. Until then, you are as Paul describes:

https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/1%20Corinthians%202%3A14

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the
Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him:
neither can he know them, because they are spiritually
discerned.

You lack the "eyes" to see, David, which is why you are blind.
I, too, was blind /BEFORE/ God drew me to His Son. And I was
just as adamant as you are that I was right, and that all of
the things of God are foolishness.

They are not foolishness. We are lost in sin, and because of
that the truth is kept from us. The only people who will come
to the truth are those God draws, and God only draws those who
He sees in His heart are of the kind of are seeking the truth,
even though they don't know what to seek for because of sin.
God overcomes them in their weakness and literally drags them
to the truth, and puts the words on their lips, "Jesus, forgive
my sin," so they can be saved.

When God draws someone ... they cannot resist Him. The change
is real as the spirit asserts itself over the flesh, and the
understanding giving input into man's soul from the spirit is
greater than that of the flesh. Its voice is louder, and it is
as Jesus said:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+6%3A63&version=KJV

63 It is the spirit that quickeneth [makes one alive
eternally]; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words
that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they
are life.

You call me blind because my teachings come from Jesus, and
His words are spirit, and they are life. You do not have a
spirit to discern Him, and therefore you cast me as having
had a nervous breakdown, or being on the receiving end of
some tragedy which caused my flesh-only mind to become cor-
rupted. You are unable to know that which those God saves
know. You do not have the spiritual eyes to see the truth.

You are blind, David, in that way.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Juha Nieminen]

Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 1:30:38 AM UTC-4, Juha Nieminen wrote:
>> I notice that you never answer any questions...
>
> I've tried to teach this before: But one of the enemy's traps
> is to try to pigeonhole a response from someone on the things
> of God.

You don't answer because you have no answers. You simply
regurgitate what other creationists have said, without knowing
anything about it yourself. You mindlessly parrot what others
say, like a robot. You don't answer any questions because you
don't know the answers. You don't *want* to answer any questions.

You believe that by regurgitating your beliefs and your scripture
here, your god will magically affect people's minds. In other words,
pretty much effectively you think that your words act like magic.
You believe that as you preach the gospel, it will cause God's power
and will to have an effect on people.

That's no different from a magical incantation. Of course you dislike
that term and vehemently deny it, but it's pretty much in essence
that: Words that you tell to people in order to have some kind of
higher power affect those people. In other words, a magic incantation.

Of course the only reason why you do all that is because it makes you
feel good about yourself. It makes you feel like you are earning
"heaven points" for the afterlife, even though you certainly deny
that even from yourself. You vehemently deny doing any of this to
"earn" anything or for your sake, but it's nevertheless the truth.
You do it because it makes you feel good, and because deep inside
you think that will earn you favors in the afterlife, even if you
don't even dare to think it does.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

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[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 10/2/2018 11:47 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> I've tried to teach this before:  But one of the enemy's traps
>>> is to try to pigeonhole a response from someone on the things
>>> of God.
>>

>> You don't answer because you have no answers...

I urge you not to look at my limitations as a stopping point,
Juha, but to look to the body of evidence presented by the
faith community. They have the specific answers you seek:

http://www.answersingenesis.org

The topics they address abound, and they teach you the Biblical
perspective to see the same evidence everyone sees. They tie
what we see in real laboratories, in real archaeological digs,
in real observation of everything, back to the teachings of
scripture. There are no discrepancies when you look at things
from that point of view, and they answer many questions which
modern science cannot yet answer.

-----
My goals are to take your eyes off looking for specific instances
of physical proof, and to instead acknowledge that you have sin,
and to teach you that because of that sin your soul remains under
condemnation, your spirit is dead, and that you have no future or
hope apart from finding forgiveness for your sin.

What is sin? It is disobedience to God, rebellion against Him,
of embracing something that is not of Him, which is the same as
saying "embracing something false," because God is only truth.

You are valuable, Juha. God calls out to you to bring you back
to His Kingdom. It is an offering of love. It is an offering
of grace for your sin. He wants you personally to be a part of
His Kingdom.

It is an honor to be sought after by one such as Him.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 10/2/2018 11:47 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> [snip]

I accidentally hit enter to send and sent the blank reply.
My apologies.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Ian Collins]

On 03/10/18 04:57, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On 10/2/2018 11:47 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>> I've tried to teach this before:  But one of the enemy's traps
>>>> is to try to pigeonhole a response from someone on the things
>>>> of God.
>>>
>>> You don't answer because you have no answers...
>
> I urge you not to look at my limitations as a stopping point,
> Juha, but to look to the body of evidence presented by the
> faith community. They have the specific answers you seek:
>
> http://www.answersingenesis.org
>
> The topics they address abound, and they teach you the Biblical
> perspective to see the same evidence everyone sees. They tie
> what we see in real laboratories, in real archaeological digs,
> in real observation of everything, back to the teachings of
> scripture. There are no discrepancies when you look at things
> from that point of view, and they answer many questions which
> modern science cannot yet answer.

https://letterstocreationists.wordpress.com/dinosaur-soft-tissue/