What is the spirit nature?

[Rick C. Hodgin]

I wrote this reply to someone yesterday, and I wanted to share it here
with you because many people struggle with this concept of the spirit
nature since it doesn't correlate to our natural nature.

The spirit nature is something each of us can possess. It comes to us
automatically when we have our sin taken away, because in that very
moment we are made righteous again in God's sight, and we are no longer
under condemnation for sin.

This person was convinced the Bible could not be accurate because of a
game played in college whereby everyone in the class sat in a circle,
and they had to whisper to the person to their left a message that was
given them by the teacher. It went from person to person around the
class and when the final message was received back at the person it
started from, it had been contorted, distorted, changed.

The person concluded the Bible must be the same way because man is
fallible, makes mistakes, has purposefully hurtful agendas at times,
etc.

This response clarifies how it is God was able to 1) give His word
to man in the first place, 2) keep His word properly in tact, and
most importantly 3) able to guide us today in this war-torn world
filled with hate and violence against the things of God.

It is from within, through the spirit, and direct guidance by God's
Holy Spirit, which keeps us on the strait-and-narrow path to His
eternal Kingdom in Heaven, called the paradise of God.


-----[ Begin ]-----

Name wrote: [the bible is a book written by man... or many men]

It's natural to think that. Many men did write it over centuries.
But there's another aspect (unknown to our natural flesh) which
is also at work.

Man is a three-fold being made in the image and likeness of God.
Just as God is God the Father, Son, Holy Spirit, so are we soul,
body, spirit.

When God made Adam and Eve, they were both complete: soul, body,
spirit. They were eternal beings, and they had both physical life
and spiritual life in addition to their soul. When they disobeyed
God and ate from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, sin
entered in and took their life. They did not die naturally. The
Bible records Adam lived to age 930, but they did die spiritually.

This spiritually-dead-in-sin condition is passed down generation
to generation. As such, man's history is filled with an apparent
contradiction. The Bible records many supernatural things, and has
people in Israel telling others they were prophets of God and they
espoused things which they claimed were from God, many of which we
find in the Bible. We also have New Testament authors recording
more supernatural things, and more miracles, and of course Jesus
being God in the flesh, here on Earth, the Savior of the world!

It's lunacy, right?

It seems that way because our natural flesh has certain senses,
and supernatural things are, by definition, above or outside the
realm of the natural. Our natural flesh can't accept supernatural
things, only natural things.

Enter the spirit nature.

God is spirit, and when Jesus came here as a man, He wasn't just
flesh. Inside the flesh, driving it, making it animate, "quickening"
the flesh as the Bible calls it, was God's own Holy Spirit. It was
by that power, that authority, that invisible nature, that the
supernatural things manifested. It wasn't done by potions or hocus
pocus or mystical forces, but by something real, just impossible
for our flesh to reconcile, and invisible to our natural eyes.

Jesus came here as a man so He could be born under our laws, so He
could be before God literally as one of us. In so doing, and be-
cause He was God, He was able to live a sin free life and in the end
transfer the sin (of all who come to Him asking forgiveness) away
to Himself, so those who believe and ask forgiveness are made sin
free before God.

This transaction immediately makes us alive again spiritually, and
the essence of our being changes in that selfsame instant, as we no
longer possess only natural senses and inputs, but now possess also
spiritual inputs. We are able to then hear and understand / discern
God's Holy Spirit, but also the enemy spirit at work in this world.

We can then see how the spirit augments us. Our natural body is
moved by natural drives, but the born again spirit asserts itself
as well, and the things we do, speak, teach, and occupy our time
with notable change (notable to ourselves, and others).

So it can be seen how it was God's own Holy Spirit who reached into
man's natural body, and moved him from within, inspiring and guiding
him to write His (God's) words down here in this world. And similarly,
it was God's own Holy Spirit which also kept His words from corruption
over the centuries.

Oh there are corrupt versions around, but not all of them are corrupt.
God has always kept His written word secure here in this world so that
we who seek the true truth and follow Him have something tangible to
go to, which is both natural and spiritual, to corroborate our
spiritual guidance from within, so we aren't swept away by evil
spirits guiding us to do false things. And I'll be honest, Satan is
shrewd. He knows how to trick people into doing wrong things.

Bottom line:
God wrote the Bible through men. He wrote the words for the people
alive at that time, for later generations, and for us today. There
are layers and layers of understanding which the Holy Spirit leads
us to in ongoing study because, just like if you hired a yoga
instructor or life coach to follow you around 24/7 so that they're
always there to guide you, so God's Holy Spirit comes to dwell within
us spiritually, so that as we do things He's there guiding us, just
like the hired natural person would be. And just like the growing
child is able to understand at age 10 things thery couldn't at age
5, and things at 15 they couldn't at 10, so it is with the maturing
Christian in his/her spiritual walk.

Jesus makes all this possible by what He did at the cross. He went
there without sin of His own. He was condemned to die falsely. In
fact, He didn't have to die. He was justified in rightness and
guiltlessness before God, such that He would've been justified in
upon legions of angels to come and rescue Him. He could've commanded
His flesh be healed, and those who wrongly accused Him could've been
rounded up and dealt with. But He didn't do those things. He chose
to remain on the cross, innocent, willing to suffer the guilt and
shame in people's eyes, to be humiliated. Why?

For you, Name. For me. For your children, your parents, neighbors,
the drug addicts down the road, the ... [insert person or people
group here].

Jesus stayed on the cross innocent so that our guilt could be
supernaturally transfered to Himself, so that when He died in the
body, all our sin would die with Him.

It requires God giving someone an internal tweak for them to
receive this (John 6:44), without which only the natural under-
standing will be present, and it will seem like complete foolish-
ness. Only you will know truly within if God has given you under-
standing here. If He has, you are fortunate. You are one who is
being saved.

-----[ Begin ]-----


If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. You can send me
private email if you feel more comfortable.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

[leigh.v....@googlemail.com]

Fuck. Off.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

[At the Judgment]

God: "I sent many servants to teach you of Me. What was your reply?"

[Reinhardt Behm]

Keep you pink unicorns for yourself.

--
Reinhardt

[Öö Tiib]

On Tuesday, 11 July 2017 14:46:27 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> [At the Judgment]
>
> God: "I sent many servants to teach you of Me. What was your reply?"

"Why did you say to Rick that you want him to pursue hate of others?"

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 8:42:22 AM UTC-4, Reinhardt Behm wrote:
> AT Tuesday 11 July 2017 19:46, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> > [At the Judgment]
> >
> > God: "I sent many servants to teach you of Me. What was your reply?"
>

> Keep you pink unicorns for yourself.

If I were speaking about something imaginary, your statement would
be valid. I used to think it was imaginary, but then I met the Lord
one day. From that day forward, by the spirit nature, I have known
that we are all being deceived in this world in the flesh by a horrible
enemy.

These words that I teach you are not my words. They are His words,
and I teach you because He wants you to be saved and thrive and shine
on after you leave this world. I point you to Him, not to me, not to
your local church pastor, not to an evangelist or author, but to the
Lord Himself, because ONLY HE can save you.

-----
Consider it, Reinhardt. I'm not alone in this in the world in coming
to Jesus or teaching about Him. Seek out the ones around you who have
also been saved. Inquire of them face-to-face about this thing called
salvation.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

It's not hate to warn people of those things God Himself has told us
He will judge. It is the enemy of this world who focuses our attention
on only those things in this world. But there is more beyond what we
see here today. That's the purpose of my original post in this thread,
to teach you that.

God doesn't want to judge anybody. He wants everyone to come to repent
of their sin and ask forgiveness and be saved. But God will be forced
to judge people by His own Law if they will not come to Jesus and ask
forgiveness, because they have rejected God, rejected the truth, and
rejected everything that is right and true and holy and proper in His
universe.

If you had a software algorithm that was rejecting what you've told it
to do ... what would you do with it? Would you go ahead and let it be
a part of your app? Or would you delete it and replace it with some-
thing that would work properly?

God essentially did that with Israel. They rejected Jesus as their
Messiah, so God reached out to the rest of the world and now calls all
to Him, forgiving all of their sin, and making them perfect and wholly
righteous in Christ.

-----
We can all live eternally as the literal sons of God. Jesus makes it
possible because He takes our sin away, and restores us to eternal
life.

That's not hate. That's love magnified (God's love magnified to us,
in that while we were yet sinners He came to die for us and save us).

[Reinhardt Behm]

I prefer rational people around me, not people who believe in invisible
friends. My experience with such people is they are so used to lie to
themselves that you can not trust them.

--
Reinhardt

[Daniel]

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 9:30:25 AM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> If you had a software algorithm that was rejecting what you've told it
> to do ... what would you do with it? Would you go ahead and let it be
> a part of your app? Or would you delete it and replace it with some-
> thing that would work properly?
>

What if it still didn't work, but showed signs of having found Jesus, perhaps
turning on the printer and printing about Jesus when it's supposed to do
payroll? To be honest, I'd probably still delete it.

Daniel

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 10:48:57 AM UTC-4, Reinhardt Behm wrote:
> AT Tuesday 11 July 2017 21:25, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > Consider it, Reinhardt. I'm not alone in this in the world in coming
> > to Jesus or teaching about Him. Seek out the ones around you who have
> > also been saved. Inquire of them face-to-face about this thing called
> > salvation.
>

> I prefer rational people around me, not people who believe in invisible
> friends. My experience with such people is they are so used to lie to
> themselves that you can not trust them.

I would like to ask you if you know everything? Answer truthfully.

If you do not yet know everything, I would like suggest that you
consider the possibility that your current thinking that people who
have come to believe in Jesus Christ are not crazy, but have found
something you do not yet know.

If you are being honest, does that possibility truly exist?

[Rick C. Hodgin]

LOL. I think there was a movie similar to that back in the 80s.
I'm trying to remember the name, but the gist of it was a young
man got a new computer and it was supposed to be a tool to do
the things he needed it to do. But something happened, and it
began to talk to him, and tell him and do and show him other
things, like it had AI. :-)

FWIW, Jesus wants us to do the things we do in this world. He
wants us to do them for Him, so that we are doing them rightly.

There is an enemy that guides us toward harm and self-destruction
in this world. Jesus wants us to come to Him and be forgiven and
saved, and then to go forth doing the normal things we do, but
with a renewed purpose, which is His purpose of reaching out to
others so they too can be saved.

Jesus doesn't want to trample our life. He wants to give us new
life, and a new purpose, which is the right purpose that is not
one focused solely on this world, but acknowledges our eternal
condition of sin ahead of other things, and then goes forward
with the other things.

I hope this makes sense.

[Daniel]

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 11:04:34 AM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> There is an enemy that guides us toward harm and self-destruction
> in this world. Jesus wants us to come to Him and be forgiven and
> saved, and then to go forth doing the normal things we do, but
> with a renewed purpose, which is His purpose of reaching out to
> others so they too can be saved.
>
> Jesus doesn't want to trample our life. He wants to give us new
> life, and a new purpose, which is the right purpose that is not
> one focused solely on this world, but acknowledges our eternal
> condition of sin ahead of other things, and then goes forward
> with the other things.
>
> I hope this makes sense.
>

It doesn't, I'm afraid. I think it makes more sense to believe that the gods
created man for entertainment, much as we watch television. You'd get kind
of bummed out, too, if you had to spend eternity doing ... what, exactly?
You'd want to create something to entertain you if you had that kind of
power.

Daniel

[Rick C. Hodgin]

That's a natural thought to have. When we don't have facts, we
come up with ideas to fill in the blanks. It's why you should
investigate what the Bible actually teaches. You'll find that
it's not just a story, but it's more. It also gives you a very
explicit narrative, and if you examine it deep enough, you'll
see how it also fills in all the outwardly apparent gaps, and
is actually complete and solid.

That spirit nature original post I wrote teaches a narrative
that explains a component we here in our natural flesh do not
yet know, but are able to understand when explained, even if
it seems to be impossible or implausible.

It could be understood if it were a Sci-Fi movie and aliens
were controlling something by using their monitoring stations
and what not. The only reason it seems impossible to us as
being from God is because there are evil spirits dwelling all
around us who give us feelings which push us away from those
we get when something seems truthful, and instead pushes us
toward those we get when something seems like a lie.

Those feelings are not our own, but are being induced upon
us. And God promises us that if we push through those initial
feelings and press in and seek the truth, then those feelings
will subside and the truth will be revealed.

God wants truth-seekers ... those who are willing to say, "NO!
You have to PROVE TO ME the truth," but are of the kind who
then also are willing to REALLY LISTEN to the response to God
will give, because when God "speaks" He does so in many different
wants, but if you are listening you will be given the correlation
between your original questions and God's answers to you.

It really is there before each of us ... but it requires some
prompting like this in order to nudge us in that direction.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Word corrections included below:

> God wants truth-seekers ... those who are willing to say, "NO!
> You have to PROVE TO ME the truth," but are of the kind who

> then also are willing to REALLY LISTEN to the response God

> will give, because when God "speaks" He does so in many different

> ways, but if you are listening you will be given the correlation

[Daniel]

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 11:36:25 AM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Word corrections included below:
>
> > God wants truth-seekers ... those who are willing to say, "NO!
> > You have to PROVE TO ME the truth," but are of the kind who
> > then also are willing to REALLY LISTEN to the response God
> > will give, because when God "speaks" He does so in many different
> > ways, but if you are listening you will be given the correlation
> > between your original questions and God's answers to you.
> >

You're not very good at this conversion business, are you :-) Have you
actually ever converted anyone? Of course, I'm only guessing, but I'd guess
that you haven't fully converted yourself, and are posting these things
for yourself, to try to convince yourself, and not just to make Mr Flibble
cross.

Daniel

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 12:29:05 PM UTC-4, Daniel wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 11:36:25 AM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > Word corrections included below:
> >
> > > God wants truth-seekers ... those who are willing to say, "NO!
> > > You have to PROVE TO ME the truth," but are of the kind who
> > > then also are willing to REALLY LISTEN to the response God
> > > will give, because when God "speaks" He does so in many different
> > > ways, but if you are listening you will be given the correlation
> > > between your original questions and God's answers to you.
>
> You're not very good at this conversion business, are you :-) Have you
> actually ever converted anyone?

It's not the job of a Christian to convert people. It can't be
done externally. God has to reach in to a person's heart and
flip invisible switches, and it is that change which then causes
a person to be drawn from within to Jesus.

It will never happen any other way.

It's why I teach what I teach here. I provide the information
to those who will be saved. The message is for them and them
only. It is not for other people.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 7/11/2017 10:10 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 12:29:05 PM UTC-4, Daniel wrote:
>> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 11:36:25 AM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> Word corrections included below:
>>>
>>>> God wants truth-seekers ... those who are willing to say, "NO!
>>>> You have to PROVE TO ME the truth," but are of the kind who
>>>> then also are willing to REALLY LISTEN to the response God
>>>> will give, because when God "speaks" He does so in many different
>>>> ways, but if you are listening you will be given the correlation
>>>> between your original questions and God's answers to you.
>>
>> You're not very good at this conversion business, are you :-) Have you
>> actually ever converted anyone?
>
> It's not the job of a Christian to convert people.

Imvho, you seem to be trying to do just that Rick. Some people would
love to be left in peace. Try not to badger them.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 3:25:23 PM UTC-4, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 7/11/2017 10:10 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 12:29:05 PM UTC-4, Daniel wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 11:36:25 AM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> >>> Word corrections included below:
> >>>
> >>>> God wants truth-seekers ... those who are willing to say, "NO!
> >>>> You have to PROVE TO ME the truth," but are of the kind who
> >>>> then also are willing to REALLY LISTEN to the response God
> >>>> will give, because when God "speaks" He does so in many different
> >>>> ways, but if you are listening you will be given the correlation
> >>>> between your original questions and God's answers to you.
> >>
> >> You're not very good at this conversion business, are you :-) Have you
> >> actually ever converted anyone?
> >
> > It's not the job of a Christian to convert people.
>

> Imvho...

I'll tell you what ... I'll give your advice (of asking me to
silence the teachings which lead people to salvation and eternal
life) the full and complete spectrum of consideration it's due,
Chris.

There. All done.

If you knew who it was you were turning your back on, you'd fall
to your knees and repent this very second in tears and wailing.

The day is coming for all people when they will know why Christians
took the time to reach out to people and guide them to Jesus. For
so many, it will be too late when that realization comes:

Human souls cast into the lake of fire. Forever.
Never to return. Always in torment. Always agony,
because they would not believe the truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO8t2L9TcAU&t=8m30s

It is that very end Christians seek to save people from by
pointing the way to the only One who CAN save people.

[Öö Tiib]

On Tuesday, 11 July 2017 16:30:25 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 9:08:54 AM UTC-4, Öö Tiib wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 11 July 2017 14:46:27 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > > [At the Judgment]
> > >
> > > God: "I sent many servants to teach you of Me. What was your reply?"
> >
> > "Why did you say to Rick that you want him to pursue hate of others?"
>

> It's not hate to warn ...

etc. and immediate reading comprehension problem detected like
usual with you. TLDR the rest of it.

I did not write that you hate people.
I did not write that god hates people.
I wrote that you want to make people to hate you.
I wrote that you *claim* that your god is the reason why you want to
make people to hate you. You are likely mistaken, I can not imagine
any god that wants to be such reason.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 4:16:19 PM UTC-4, Öö Tiib wrote:
> On Tuesday, 11 July 2017 16:30:25 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 9:08:54 AM UTC-4, Öö Tiib wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, 11 July 2017 14:46:27 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > > > [At the Judgment]
> > > >
> > > > God: "I sent many servants to teach you of Me. What was your reply?"
> > >
> > > "Why did you say to Rick that you want him to pursue hate of others?"
> >
> > It's not hate to warn ...
>
> etc. and immediate reading comprehension problem detected like
> usual with you. TLDR the rest of it.
>
> I did not write that you hate people.
> I did not write that god hates people.
> I wrote that you want to make people to hate you.

I did not get that from your word usage. I still don't because the
words "him to pursue hate of others" means me pursuing my hate of
others. You should write, "him to encourage the hate of others."

> I wrote that you *claim* that your god is the reason why you want to
> make people to hate you. You are likely mistaken, I can not imagine
> any god that wants to be such reason.

People don't hate me. They hate God. I am the one reminding them
of a coming day of judgment, and pointing them to the One who will
today save them ... so their hatred of God is transferred on to me
as the messenger.

It has always been this way.

I do not have any judgment to give you, Öö Tiib. I actually do not
want you judged. I want you and everyone else to come to Jesus and
ask forgiveness and pass by judgment and enter into life, even into
eternal life.

It's why I point you to Jesus ... so you won't be judged.

[Öö Tiib]

On Tuesday, 11 July 2017 23:23:43 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 4:16:19 PM UTC-4, Öö Tiib wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 11 July 2017 16:30:25 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 9:08:54 AM UTC-4, Öö Tiib wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, 11 July 2017 14:46:27 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > > > > [At the Judgment]
> > > > >
> > > > > God: "I sent many servants to teach you of Me. What was your reply?"
> > > >
> > > > "Why did you say to Rick that you want him to pursue hate of others?"
> > >
> > > It's not hate to warn ...
> >
> > etc. and immediate reading comprehension problem detected like
> > usual with you. TLDR the rest of it.
> >
> > I did not write that you hate people.
> > I did not write that god hates people.
> > I wrote that you want to make people to hate you.
>
> I did not get that from your word usage. I still don't because the
> words "him to pursue hate of others" means me pursuing my hate of
> others. You should write, "him to encourage the hate of others."

Sorry, it is always possible that I misused English; it is 4th language
that I learned to tongue. What I meant was that you want to make others
to hate you.

>
> > I wrote that you *claim* that your god is the reason why you want to
> > make people to hate you. You are likely mistaken, I can not imagine
> > any god that wants to be such reason.
>
> People don't hate me. They hate God. I am the one reminding them
> of a coming day of judgment, and pointing them to the One who will
> today save them ... so their hatred of God is transferred on to me
> as the messenger.

People dislike you, they ignore and kill-file you. They write nasty
things at you. Your message is nonsensical since:

* Christians (33% people) can't hate Christian God, they want
to be loved by their God.
* The followers of Judaism and Islam (22% of people) believe that God
is same but misinterpreted by Christians. They can't hate Him, they just
trust that the God needs to be served differently than Christians suggest.
* The followers of other religions and atheists can't hate Christian god
since they believe that such god does not exist whatsoever. How to hate
something that does not exist?

So who it is who hates your god? You want to make people to hate you since
they can't hate your god? Why it all is about hate?

>
> It has always been this way.

That does not make sense by any logic.

> I do not have any judgment to give you, Öö Tiib.

What judgement? My skills have helped me in my life. I try to help other
people to gain similar skills. I don't have any knowledge about gods.
I have rather firm reasons to believe that gods don't exist and that you
are simply mistaken.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 7/11/2017 12:44 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 3:25:23 PM UTC-4, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 7/11/2017 10:10 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 12:29:05 PM UTC-4, Daniel wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 11:36:25 AM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>>> Word corrections included below:
>>>>>
>>>>>> God wants truth-seekers ... those who are willing to say, "NO!
>>>>>> You have to PROVE TO ME the truth," but are of the kind who
>>>>>> then also are willing to REALLY LISTEN to the response God
>>>>>> will give, because when God "speaks" He does so in many different
>>>>>> ways, but if you are listening you will be given the correlation
>>>>>> between your original questions and God's answers to you.
>>>>
>>>> You're not very good at this conversion business, are you :-) Have you
>>>> actually ever converted anyone?
>>>
>>> It's not the job of a Christian to convert people.
>>
>> Imvho...
>
> I'll tell you what ... I'll give your advice (of asking me to
> silence the teachings which lead people to salvation and eternal
> life) the full and complete spectrum of consideration it's due,
> Chris.
>
> There. All done.
>
> If you knew who it was you were turning your back on, you'd fall
> to your knees and repent this very second in tears and wailing.

I do not need you, or anybody like you, to know God Rick. You push
people up against a wall, and blame them when they fight back. Wow.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 5:33:55 PM UTC-4, Öö Tiib wrote:
> On Tuesday, 11 July 2017 23:23:43 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 4:16:19 PM UTC-4, Öö Tiib wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, 11 July 2017 16:30:25 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 9:08:54 AM UTC-4, Öö Tiib wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, 11 July 2017 14:46:27 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > > > > > [At the Judgment]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > God: "I sent many servants to teach you of Me. What was your reply?"
> > > > >
> > > > > "Why did you say to Rick that you want him to pursue hate of others?"
> > > >
> > > > It's not hate to warn ...
> > >
> > > etc. and immediate reading comprehension problem detected like
> > > usual with you. TLDR the rest of it.
> > >
> > > I did not write that you hate people.
> > > I did not write that god hates people.
> > > I wrote that you want to make people to hate you.
> >
> > I did not get that from your word usage. I still don't because the
> > words "him to pursue hate of others" means me pursuing my hate of
> > others. You should write, "him to encourage the hate of others."
>
> Sorry, it is always possible that I misused English; it is 4th language
> that I learned to tongue. What I meant was that you want to make others
> to hate you.

I understand.

> > > I wrote that you *claim* that your god is the reason why you want to
> > > make people to hate you. You are likely mistaken, I can not imagine
> > > any god that wants to be such reason.
> >
> > People don't hate me. They hate God. I am the one reminding them
> > of a coming day of judgment, and pointing them to the One who will
> > today save them ... so their hatred of God is transferred on to me
> > as the messenger.
>
> People dislike you, they ignore and kill-file you. They write nasty
> things at you.

Yes. And they also ban me from places where there is moderation.

But why do they ban me? They are offended by the message I have
with Jesus. They are offended by me reminding them that they have
sin and will be judged for that sin. They do not like the idea of
having to come before God and say, "I am a sinner. Please forgive
me." They want to be in control.

I've done tests actually. I've gone places and been like other
people. I've not used profanity or vulgarity, but I also didn't
say anything about Jesus. I just talked about whatever.

People liked me. They conversed with me. We had jokes, fun times,
and so on. But when something came up and I was in a position where
it was correct to tell them I was a Christian ... they run. They do
not want to be reminded of judgment, or of their sin, because they
know on the inside what it truly means, because God Himself put His
stamp there.

> Your message is nonsensical since:
>
> * Christians (33% people) can't hate Christian God, they want
> to be loved by their God.
> * The followers of Judaism and Islam (22% of people) believe that God
> is same but misinterpreted by Christians. They can't hate Him, they just
> trust that the God needs to be served differently than Christians suggest.
> * The followers of other religions and atheists can't hate Christian god
> since they believe that such god does not exist whatsoever. How to hate
> something that does not exist?

It's not a majority rules thing. It's based upon truth. The Jews
rejected Jesus, and are currently blinded to seeing Him as their
Messiah. Once the Christian church is raptured out of this world,
the blindness will be removed, and Israel will finally see Jesus
as their Messiah. And at that point, Israel will be unstoppable,
and will be hated by all nations.

Islam and all other religions do not know the true God, but are
following after lies by the enemy (Satan) who is the author of
every false religion.

> So who it is who hates your god? You want to make people to hate
> you since they can't hate your god? Why it all is about hate?

People do hate God. It's in our sin nature. God is spirit, and He
is truth, and in our sin nature we are falseness, and we are in
rebellion against truth.

All people worldwide hate God ... until God flips that invisible
internal switch which draws men to His Son, where they come to
repent and ask forgiveness, and are forgiven and born again of
the spirit in that very moment (John 6:44, John 3).

It does not happen any other way.

This entire world is in sin and lost. The fact that God saves
any of us is a miracle. The fact that He's willing to save all
of us who come to Him, who will seek the truth and be drawn from
within in their seeking to Him ... that's just pouring out of
His love for His creation.

> > It has always been this way.
> That does not make sense by any logic.

It's the nature of sin. If you look into the past in Israel, for
example, they killed the prophets, the ones called by God to speak
His words to His people to warn them and guide them and lead them
in this world. In our sin, in our fallen nature, we do not want
to hear God.

However, we will readily hear a false God, because the evil spirits
at work against our flesh draw us to false things. We are unaware
of their input in spirit form, but feel the result of their input
in our flesh, such that we are naturally drawn away from the truth
by our sin, and by them using our sin against us, and toward those
things which are false.

But everyone who will seek the truth will be saved.

> > I do not have any judgment to give you, Öö Tiib.
>
> What judgement? My skills have helped me in my life. I try to help other
> people to gain similar skills. I don't have any knowledge about gods.
> I have rather firm reasons to believe that gods don't exist and that you
> are simply mistaken.

All people have sinned. You can compare your life to the Ten
Commandments and see your failing:

Have you ever stolen anything? Even one thing? Ever?
Have you ever told a lie? Even one lie? Ever?
Have you ever wanted what someone else had? Even one time? Ever?
Have you ever lusted after someone who was not your spouse? Even
one time? Ever?

We're all guilty of sin, but even beyond that we are born in this
world already spiritually dead, our inherited state from Adam. Our
flesh is alive, but our spirit is dead, and it is dead because of
sin. But when we come to Jesus and ask Him to forgive our sin, He
literally transfers it away from us to Himself at the cross, so that
when He died on the cross our sin went with Him and no longer is
associated with us.

He became our sin in our place, such that all who will believe in
Him and ask Him to forgive their sin will be forgiven. They will
be as though they had no sin before God, which makes them alive
again spiritually, which restores them to how Adam and Eve were
on this world before the fall, before original sin.

-----
It's not possible for the flesh to understand this. The only way
you will understand it is if God is drawing you from withing. He
will flip those internal invisible switches that make it possible
for you to come be able to hear and understand these things, as it
is He, not me, who is drawing you to this source of His words, so
that you can have a companion in this world to continue guiding you
as you go. God draws all people to salvation in this way, with Him
being that continuous, communal, connecting inner guide, for He is
spirit and is able to be within all of us all the time continually.

If you can hear Him calling you, answer Him. It's a precious gift.
He's reaching out to save your eternal soul, and give you eternal
life.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 5:46:19 PM UTC-4, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 7/11/2017 12:44 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > If you knew who it was you were turning your back on, you'd fall
> > to your knees and repent this very second in tears and wailing.
>
> I do not need you, or anybody like you, to know God Rick.

You are correct. All a person needs to know God is to seek the truth.
When they do, God Himself will look into that person's life and intent
and will know they are seeking the truth with a real focus. God will
then reach in and supernaturally draw that person to His Son, where
they will repent and ask forgiveness and be born again of the spirit.

After they are forgiven and born again of the spirit, they will be
drawn by their new polarity shift to other saints who are saved and
will know from within their innermost core what it truly means to be
saved, and they will rejoice in the message of the Lord going forth,
for it will be water to their soul, joy to their core, just to hear
His name going forth, with teachings of grace, and love, and mercy
everlasting!

Such a person who knows God will rejoice that Jesus has come to make
peace with sinful man, that He is willing to give him a way out of
His transgressions.

Contrast that response to you, Chris:

"Hey Rick, stop talking about God. Just talk about C++."

> You push people up against a wall, and blame them when they
> fight back. Wow.

No. Just you, Chris. You're filled with a particular kind of
evil spirit, Chris, and you are wholly rogue. You're so much
like I was before I came to faith that it's terrifying.

[Melzzzzz]

On 2017-07-11, Öö Tiib <oot...@hot.ee> wrote:
>
> People dislike you, they ignore and kill-file you.

Since I killfiled Rick this news groups look more pleasant ;)

--
press any key to continue or any other to quit...

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 7:46:17 PM UTC-4, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On 2017-07-11, Öö Tiib <oot...@hot.ee> wrote:
> > People dislike you, they ignore and kill-file you.
> Since I killfiled Rick this news groups look more pleasant ;)

FWIW, I would advise considering how eternity will look, Melzzzzz.

There's a story about Esau in the Bible. What was it he sold his
birthright for? It's akin to what people do here on Earth, selling
their birthright (to be the redeemed sons of God) for a short stint
of doing whatever they want in rebellion here upon this Earth.

Remember: this life yields to eternity, but eternity never yields.
We'll be spending a lot longer there than we are here, and keeping
up the rebellion against God here on Earth comes with a stiff, stiff
price ... more than anybody will want to pay.

[Jerry Stuckle]

On 7/11/2017 7:45 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On 2017-07-11, Öö Tiib <oot...@hot.ee> wrote:
>>
>> People dislike you, they ignore and kill-file you.
> Since I killfiled Rick this news groups look more pleasant ;)
>

Agreed. I killfiled him when he told me I needed to bow down to his
false Christ.

--
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jstu...@attglobal.net
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[Reinhardt Behm]

It is not only a possibility. These are real observations of real people.
People lied to me people betrayed me. Then they prayed to their imagined god
and were "forgiven". Then they continued lying and betraying.
This was also an observation of a friend who came as a new teacher into a
school in a mostly catholic neighborhood. He told me they lie and steal the
whole week on Sunday they go to church, confess and are forgiven. The next
week they continue the same way.
My observation with religious people is that they unconsciously notice that
this religion is all a lie and does not comply with reality. This continuous
lying to themselves make them behave the same against others.

Fortunately I live now in a country (TW) where these believers in a single
god are a total minority. But still they are trying to force their believe
system on the whole society, and complain about being suppressed if they do
not have success.
The same type of continuous lie.

--
Reinhardt

[Ian Collins]

On 07/12/17 10:12 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 5:33:55 PM UTC-4, Öö Tiib wrote:
>>
>> People dislike you, they ignore and kill-file you. They write nasty
>> things at you.
>
> Yes. And they also ban me from places where there is moderation.
>
> But why do they ban me?

They ban you because you are off-topic and are too pigheaded or
narcissistic to realise that off-topic posting is rude and disrespectful.

What you believe is irrelevant, rules are there for a reason.

--
Ian

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 1:02:35 AM UTC-4, Reinhardt Behm wrote:
> AT Tuesday 11 July 2017 22:53, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > If you are being honest, does that possibility truly exist?
>
> It is not only a possibility. These are real observations of real people.
> People lied to me people betrayed me. Then they prayed to their imagined god
> and were "forgiven". Then they continued lying and betraying.

A lot of people use this argument when talking about the reasons why
they don't see Christianity as viable. They say people are hypocrites,
for example, and that they do bad things and just because they pray and
ask forgiveness they are forgiven.

That's not how it works. People will have done bad things in their
past, and when they come to Jesus and repent and ask forgiveness,
He forgives them, but that does not give them a license to keep on
sinning. They are expected (by the Lord) from that point forward to
no longer go out and be purposefully sinning.

People will always make periodic mistakes, but that doesn't mean
their life will be a pattern of ongoing sin, for such a pattern
provides evidence they were never truly saved in the first place,
and are still just as lost as they were before ... the only
difference now is that they "have found religion."

Religion won't save you. Religion is a trap. It locks you down
to a set of rules that appease your conscience so you feel like
you're doing good, but it's not a regeneration. It's not what
Jesus calls us to.

Jesus calls us to be truly in repentance, so He can truly forgive
us, so that in being forgiven a real transaction takes place, and
the person is born again spiritually.

All people who are born again spiritually will be fundamentally
changed from the inside out. Their lives will change and they
will receive a complete overhaul that is evident from that day
forward. They may stumble and make mistakes at times, but they
will always regroup, apologize, move forward, and the same things
which knocked them down before will not continue to knock them
down over time.

> This was also an observation of a friend who came as a new teacher into a
> school in a mostly catholic neighborhood. He told me they lie and steal the
> whole week on Sunday they go to church, confess and are forgiven. The next
> week they continue the same way.

A lot of people believe this is what it's about. It's not, and
they are the ones the Lord talked about when He said not everyone
who calls upon Him saying even, "Lord, Lord," (stated twice to
indicate the strong emphasis of their calling) will enter in to
the Kingdom of Heaven, but only those who do the will of His Father
who is in Heaven.

Jesus calls us to be real in our walk. Not pretenders. And all
who are born again will have this automatic polarity shift from
within that moves us away from our former ways, and toward the
ways He would truly have us do.

> My observation with religious people is that they unconsciously notice that
> this religion is all a lie and does not comply with reality. This continuous
> lying to themselves make them behave the same against others.

You are correct. Religion is a lie. Religion has no regenerative
power whatsoever.

Christianity is not a religion. For some people that's all it
will ever be. But when a person comes to Jesus and asks for
forgiveness for their sin, it begins a relationship. From that
day forward, He comes to dwell within their heart and He is
constantly guiding them away from wrong things, and toward
right things.

We still have the inertia of this flesh, our past life, our
friends, the unsaved people in this world, and it is really
quite hard to live out a holy life ... but Jesus does call
us to live out a holy life on purpose, for Him, so that we
can be effective servants of His Father's Kingdom.

-----

> Fortunately I live now in a country (TW) where these believers in a single
> god are a total minority. But still they are trying to force their believe
> system on the whole society, and complain about being suppressed if they do
> not have success.
> The same type of continuous lie.

It's good that you see the hypocrisy in many who profess to
be Christians. It means you have the correct discernment
and are able to recognize that what you see is NOT what Jesus
calls us to.

No people who are hypocrites will enter in to Heaven. But
only those who are really transformed by the born again spirit
nature.

It is that type of regeneration I point people to, Reinhardt.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Consider what Jesus told people. Many people begin in verse 19
here, but it really goes back to verse 18:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/28.htm

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is
given unto me in heaven and in earth.

He has foundational authority which supersedes all other authority.
And when you consider what He is asking us to do with that authority,
and I'm not talking about what Reinhardt was talking about where
those who profess to be Christians lie and cheat and do bad things
all week and then go to confession and poof! all better, for that
type of lifestyle is as bad as the full-on sinner, worse actually
because they are operating under the color of being saved by Jesus
Christ and they will receive greater condemnation, but what Jesus
asks us to do is go and teach others:

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

People think this is a water baptism. But I am convinced that it is
not just a water baptism, but is a full-on immersion in God, meaning
that every aspect of our lives is to be surrendered to the Lord, so
that He can guide us on what to keep, what to alter, and what to toss
away.

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have
commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the
end of the world. Amen.

Why does He ask us to observe all things whatsoever He has commanded
us? We're no longer under the Law of Moses, so what does it matter?

It has to do with the fact that His ways are profitable, and lead us
away from sin, and keep us on the strait-and-narrow path to life.
It is also the constant inner reminder from His Holy Spirit that we
are to not be like the world, but that our focus is to be upon Him
and His Kingdom, so that others around us can see a true witness and
glorify the Father in Heaven when they stand before Him someday and
bear witness to our activities in this world.

-----
Ian, as much as you do not like these posts, they are given you for
a reason (and others for the same reason). They are here to guide
you toward that which you are in rebellion against today, so that
you too are given the opportunity to be saved because God also wants
you to be with Him in Heaven.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

To give you a short version of my reply:

Yeah, the Lord doesn't call us to be like that. Those people
have religion and are not saved. Being saved means you are
literally transformed from the inside out because when your
sins are truly forgiven, a real transaction takes place and
God supernaturally reaches into the invisible aspects of your
life and pulls your sin away from you (as if taking off a
dirty jacket so that you no longer possess it), and places it
upon His Son on the cross. In that instant, you are then no
longer having sin, which makes you alive again spiritually.

When you are alive again spiritually, your entire world view
is augmented by this new source of input, which is spirit.
You are then able to know and understand new things, and the
old things also are re-understood now in new ways, and it all
comes together in a real, inner, permanently changed, life.

Jesus != religion.
Jesus = salvation.

It takes a real drawing from God the Father (John 6:44) to be
changed, and all who are drawn are saved and they will pass from
death to life and become shining lights for the Lord in this world.

The rest have religion and are just as lost after as they were
before.

[Öö Tiib]

No, it is not fault of Jesus. Jesus did annoy no one in these places.
Lot of them love Jesus, others trust that Jesus does not exist. There
indeed may be *few* who hate Jesus but *all* dislike you.

> They are offended by me reminding them that they have
> sin and will be judged for that sin. They do not like the idea of
> having to come before God and say, "I am a sinner. Please forgive
> me." They want to be in control.

It is, yes, because you refuse to act civil. You refuse to be nice
because Jesus told you that people must hate you.

>
> I've done tests actually. I've gone places and been like other
> people. I've not used profanity or vulgarity, but I also didn't
> say anything about Jesus. I just talked about whatever.
>
> People liked me. They conversed with me. We had jokes, fun times,
> and so on. But when something came up and I was in a position where
> it was correct to tell them I was a Christian ... they run. They do
> not want to be reminded of judgment, or of their sin, because they
> know on the inside what it truly means, because God Himself put His
> stamp there.

You don't tell them that you are Christian. You tell them that you are
someone of authority, a teacher, a priest, a reborn, a saint, who helps
them save from their sins, who prays for them and so on. That sounds
like usual false prophet lies. Jesus AFAIK suggested to look at the
fruits of such people. What are your fruits? That everybody hate you?
Good fruits indeed.

>
> > Your message is nonsensical since:
> >
> > * Christians (33% people) can't hate Christian God, they want
> > to be loved by their God.
> > * The followers of Judaism and Islam (22% of people) believe that God
> > is same but misinterpreted by Christians. They can't hate Him, they just
> > trust that the God needs to be served differently than Christians suggest.
> > * The followers of other religions and atheists can't hate Christian god
> > since they believe that such god does not exist whatsoever. How to hate
> > something that does not exist?
>
> It's not a majority rules thing.

What? Your usual absurd bananas how everybody hate Jesus, worship Satan,
love doing their mistakes and will be punished for it. Where, who? You
can't point at no one. Yes, posting such nonsense is why people dislike
you. Not Jesus, not God, you. And you know that and do it specially.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

I have never said I am someone of authority. And I have said that we,
Christians, have no authority except that which He gives us, and it is
only when we act in His name that we have authority.

> That sounds
> like usual false prophet lies. Jesus AFAIK suggested to look at the
> fruits of such people. What are your fruits? That everybody hate you?
> Good fruits indeed.

You are judging me by your prior experiences with other people who have
professed to have a relationship with Jesus Christ, and there's nothing
I can do about that.

> > > Your message is nonsensical since:
> > >
> > > * Christians (33% people) can't hate Christian God, they want
> > > to be loved by their God.
> > > * The followers of Judaism and Islam (22% of people) believe that God
> > > is same but misinterpreted by Christians. They can't hate Him, they just
> > > trust that the God needs to be served differently than Christians suggest.
> > > * The followers of other religions and atheists can't hate Christian god
> > > since they believe that such god does not exist whatsoever. How to hate
> > > something that does not exist?
> >
> > It's not a majority rules thing.
>
> What? Your usual absurd bananas how everybody hate Jesus, worship Satan,
> love doing their mistakes and will be punished for it. Where, who? You
> can't point at no one. Yes, posting such nonsense is why people dislike
> you. Not Jesus, not God, you. And you know that and do it specially.

It is what Jesus taught, Öö Tiib:

http://biblehub.com/luke/11-23.htm
23 Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not
gather with me scatters.

http://biblehub.com/john/3-18.htm
18 Whoever believes in [Jesus] is not condemned, but whoever
does not believe stands condemned already because they have
not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

We are already dead in sin, Öö Tiib. We are already under judgment.

What Jesus offers us is THE ONLY way out of that condemnation. And
He offers it for free.

-----
You accuse me of teaching false things, or intruding here upon this
forum and other forums with the message of salvation, and that I am
doing to improperly.

Have you read the Bible? Have you studied who Jesus is? Why He
came to the Earth? What He offers us? What will happen to us if
we do not receive His free offer?

You consider it all to be fantasy and fake, so you are using man's
reasoning rather than the guidance and teaching of God to come to
your conclusions. So, how can they be valid in God's eyes? They
can only be valid in man's eyes ... and man is perishing in sin.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 7/12/2017 11:31 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
[...]

> I have never said I am someone of authority. And I have said that we,
> Christians, have no authority except that which He gives us, and it is
> only when we act in His name that we have authority.

[...]

You start saying you are not in a position of authority, the go on to
explain why you actually are. Strange.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 7/11/2017 3:32 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 5:46:19 PM UTC-4, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 7/11/2017 12:44 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

[...]

>> You push people up against a wall, and blame them when they
>> fight back. Wow.
>
> No. Just you, Chris. You're filled with a particular kind of
> evil spirit, Chris, and you are wholly rogue. You're so much
> like I was before I came to faith that it's terrifying.

Humm... I see that you simply do not seem to be able to understand the
fact that saying that I have some sort of demonic attachment, would not
be akin to pushing me up against a wall. When I try to fight your
unwarranted assault off, then you blame me, and say the demonic forces
are casting their will through my mind.

Wow. Why do you do that to others? Wow.

[Rups Sivo]

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 12:40:38 AM UTC+12, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> I wrote this reply to someone yesterday, and I wanted to share it here
> with you because many people struggle with this concept of the spirit
> nature since it doesn't correlate to our natural nature.
>
> The spirit nature is something each of us can possess. It comes to us
> automatically when we have our sin taken away, because in that very
> moment we are made righteous again in God's sight, and we are no longer
> under condemnation for sin.
>
> This person was convinced the Bible could not be accurate because of a
> game played in college whereby everyone in the class sat in a circle,
> and they had to whisper to the person to their left a message that was
> given them by the teacher. It went from person to person around the
> class and when the final message was received back at the person it
> started from, it had been contorted, distorted, changed.
>
> The person concluded the Bible must be the same way because man is
> fallible, makes mistakes, has purposefully hurtful agendas at times,
> etc.
>
> This response clarifies how it is God was able to 1) give His word
> to man in the first place, 2) keep His word properly in tact, and
> most importantly 3) able to guide us today in this war-torn world
> filled with hate and violence against the things of God.
>
> It is from within, through the spirit, and direct guidance by God's
> Holy Spirit, which keeps us on the strait-and-narrow path to His
> eternal Kingdom in Heaven, called the paradise of God.
>
>
> -----[ Begin ]-----
>
> Name wrote: [the bible is a book written by man... or many men]
>
> It's natural to think that. Many men did write it over centuries.
> But there's another aspect (unknown to our natural flesh) which
> is also at work.
>
> Man is a three-fold being made in the image and likeness of God.
> Just as God is God the Father, Son, Holy Spirit, so are we soul,
> body, spirit.
>
> When God made Adam and Eve, they were both complete: soul, body,
> spirit. They were eternal beings, and they had both physical life
> and spiritual life in addition to their soul. When they disobeyed
> God and ate from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, sin
> entered in and took their life. They did not die naturally. The
> Bible records Adam lived to age 930, but they did die spiritually.
>
> This spiritually-dead-in-sin condition is passed down generation
> to generation. As such, man's history is filled with an apparent
> contradiction. The Bible records many supernatural things, and has
> people in Israel telling others they were prophets of God and they
> espoused things which they claimed were from God, many of which we
> find in the Bible. We also have New Testament authors recording
> more supernatural things, and more miracles, and of course Jesus
> being God in the flesh, here on Earth, the Savior of the world!
>
> It's lunacy, right?
>
> It seems that way because our natural flesh has certain senses,
> and supernatural things are, by definition, above or outside the
> realm of the natural. Our natural flesh can't accept supernatural
> things, only natural things.
>
> Enter the spirit nature.
>
> God is spirit, and when Jesus came here as a man, He wasn't just
> flesh. Inside the flesh, driving it, making it animate, "quickening"
> the flesh as the Bible calls it, was God's own Holy Spirit. It was
> by that power, that authority, that invisible nature, that the
> supernatural things manifested. It wasn't done by potions or hocus
> pocus or mystical forces, but by something real, just impossible
> for our flesh to reconcile, and invisible to our natural eyes.
>
> Jesus came here as a man so He could be born under our laws, so He
> could be before God literally as one of us. In so doing, and be-
> cause He was God, He was able to live a sin free life and in the end
> transfer the sin (of all who come to Him asking forgiveness) away
> to Himself, so those who believe and ask forgiveness are made sin
> free before God.
>
> This transaction immediately makes us alive again spiritually, and
> the essence of our being changes in that selfsame instant, as we no
> longer possess only natural senses and inputs, but now possess also
> spiritual inputs. We are able to then hear and understand / discern
> God's Holy Spirit, but also the enemy spirit at work in this world.
>
> We can then see how the spirit augments us. Our natural body is
> moved by natural drives, but the born again spirit asserts itself
> as well, and the things we do, speak, teach, and occupy our time
> with notable change (notable to ourselves, and others).
>
> So it can be seen how it was God's own Holy Spirit who reached into
> man's natural body, and moved him from within, inspiring and guiding
> him to write His (God's) words down here in this world. And similarly,
> it was God's own Holy Spirit which also kept His words from corruption
> over the centuries.
>
> Oh there are corrupt versions around, but not all of them are corrupt.
> God has always kept His written word secure here in this world so that
> we who seek the true truth and follow Him have something tangible to
> go to, which is both natural and spiritual, to corroborate our
> spiritual guidance from within, so we aren't swept away by evil
> spirits guiding us to do false things. And I'll be honest, Satan is
> shrewd. He knows how to trick people into doing wrong things.
>
> Bottom line:
> God wrote the Bible through men. He wrote the words for the people
> alive at that time, for later generations, and for us today. There
> are layers and layers of understanding which the Holy Spirit leads
> us to in ongoing study because, just like if you hired a yoga
> instructor or life coach to follow you around 24/7 so that they're
> always there to guide you, so God's Holy Spirit comes to dwell within
> us spiritually, so that as we do things He's there guiding us, just
> like the hired natural person would be. And just like the growing
> child is able to understand at age 10 things thery couldn't at age
> 5, and things at 15 they couldn't at 10, so it is with the maturing
> Christian in his/her spiritual walk.
>
> Jesus makes all this possible by what He did at the cross. He went
> there without sin of His own. He was condemned to die falsely. In
> fact, He didn't have to die. He was justified in rightness and
> guiltlessness before God, such that He would've been justified in
> upon legions of angels to come and rescue Him. He could've commanded
> His flesh be healed, and those who wrongly accused Him could've been
> rounded up and dealt with. But He didn't do those things. He chose
> to remain on the cross, innocent, willing to suffer the guilt and
> shame in people's eyes, to be humiliated. Why?
>
> For you, Name. For me. For your children, your parents, neighbors,
> the drug addicts down the road, the ... [insert person or people
> group here].
>
> Jesus stayed on the cross innocent so that our guilt could be
> supernaturally transfered to Himself, so that when He died in the
> body, all our sin would die with Him.
>
> It requires God giving someone an internal tweak for them to
> receive this (John 6:44), without which only the natural under-
> standing will be present, and it will seem like complete foolish-
> ness. Only you will know truly within if God has given you under-
> standing here. If He has, you are fortunate. You are one who is
> being saved.
>
> -----[ Begin ]-----
>
>
> If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. You can send me
> private email if you feel more comfortable.

>
> Thank you,
> Rick C. Hodgin

Jesus the Christ,
God embodied in human flesh, lived a man.. tempted but never sinned, crucified, buried and rose up in 3 days. As the spirit he lives. Waiting for anyone to open the doors of their heart, their innermost being to dwell, make home and change a man. Its a matter of choice.. but then choices are hard to make if there is a very strong opposing force at play.

Keep on keeping on Rick

[Christian Gollwitzer]

Am 12.07.17 um 23:48 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson:

It could be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_delusion

You can never convince him with arguments. Every argument contrary to
his belief will be dismissed as "coming from the devil"

Christian

[Dan Cross]

In article <ok6587$q7m$1...@dont-email.me>,

Please please please stop feeding this troll. Those of us who have
kill-filed Rick would really appreciate it. Thanks!

- Dan C.

[bitrex]

On 07/12/2017 01:02 AM, Reinhardt Behm wrote:
> AT Tuesday 11 July 2017 22:53, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 10:48:57 AM UTC-4, Reinhardt Behm wrote:
>>> AT Tuesday 11 July 2017 21:25, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>> Consider it, Reinhardt. I'm not alone in this in the world in coming
>>>> to Jesus or teaching about Him. Seek out the ones around you who have
>>>> also been saved. Inquire of them face-to-face about this thing called
>>>> salvation.
>>>
>>> I prefer rational people around me, not people who believe in invisible
>>> friends. My experience with such people is they are so used to lie to
>>> themselves that you can not trust them.
>>
>> I would like to ask you if you know everything? Answer truthfully.
>>
>> If you do not yet know everything, I would like suggest that you
>> consider the possibility that your current thinking that people who
>> have come to believe in Jesus Christ are not crazy, but have found
>> something you do not yet know.
>>
>> If you are being honest, does that possibility truly exist?
>
> It is not only a possibility. These are real observations of real people.
> People lied to me people betrayed me. Then they prayed to their imagined god
> and were "forgiven". Then they continued lying and betraying.

Here's an unfortunate piece of reality for ya: you will be deceived,
lied to, abandoned, and betrayed by other people day in and day out
until you fuckin' die!

And that goes for everyone, not just you. So the question is - if that
truth is a natural part of existence then why do you care so much. That
such things naturally happen is sort of like weather. Do you get upset
at rainy days? Does the fact that it rains sometimes personally offend you?

I'm just saying I feel this is an important question for even
non-religious people to ask themselves because it's perfectly possible
to engineer one's life so you don't _have_ to count the cost so much.

If it's raining then grab an umbrella and play on.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Thursday, July 13, 2017 at 10:50:08 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
> Here's an unfortunate piece of reality for ya: you will be deceived,
> lied to, abandoned, and betrayed by other people day in and day out

> until you .. die!

That is the natural way of the world because of sin. When a person
comes to Jesus and asks Him to forgive their sin, their sin is taken
physically away from them, as if a dirty jacket was removed, so that
what remains is sin-free in God's sight, and our own spirit nature
is born again into life.

From that point forward, the original life that existed on this
planet in the form of that person is changed. The old man literally
dies, and the man has been born.

Same outward appearance bodily, but the manners and movements and
thoughts and deeds of that same body will forever be altered.

God is offering us a way to be free from the hatred and death and
disease of this world. We still remain here in these bodies for
a time, but it is only so we can reach others and grow in knowledge
and service to His Kingdom here on Earth, before leaving this Earth
forever, to be with Him in Heaven forever.

-----
My teachings on these issues are of that kind: This world is fallen
in sin. Everything here is corrupt. What Jesus offers us is a way
out of that corruption, and a way back to righteousness, holiness,
and eternal life, for we are literal gods (lower-case "G") made in
the image and likeness of God Himself. We are His children if we
will be redeemed.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

PS - I hope you can see why this is so important to know. There is
a great and powerful enemy deceiving the entire world. But
the truth is greater, and it is brought to you by the men and
women of God who point you to Jesus Christ, to repentance, to
salvation, to eternal life.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Thursday, July 13, 2017 at 11:10:50 AM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> My teachings on these issues are of that kind: This world is fallen
> in sin. Everything here is corrupt. What Jesus offers us is a way
> out of that corruption, and a way back to righteousness, holiness,
> and eternal life, for we are literal gods (lower-case "G") made in
> the image and likeness of God Himself. We are His children if we
> will be redeemed.

To give the Biblical foundation for this:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/john/10.htm

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said,
Ye are gods?

The verse He refers to is:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/psalms/82.htm

6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of
the most High.

The Old Testament Hebrew word used there for "gods" is Strong's 430:

http://biblehub.com/hebrew/430.htm

And the New Testament Greek word used by Jesus for "gods" is Strong's
2316:

http://biblehub.com/greek/2316.htm

-----
We are taught in scripture that we have the right to become the sons
of God through Jesus:

http://biblehub.com/john/1-12.htm

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become
the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

-----

Have you ever had anyone teach you that you are a god? Or are you
taught that you are worm food?

The enemy of God, Satan, teaches us all manner of false things in
this world. You can pretty much rest assured that if it's a popular
teaching, that it's 100% off from the real way. An example: try
evolution. The real truth is creation. Satan says evolution.
Creation ascribes to God. Evolution ascribes to natural processes
and in no way to God.

Satan's M.O. is to destroy God. He wants everything about God to
be rendered foolish by his own teachings. But God is true, and
Satan is a liar (http://biblehub.com/john/8-44.htm).

-----
These things I teach you are literally God's own words conveyed in
this format for YOU. It is God reaching out to YOU through me. It
is His great love for you shining into the darkness of your current
life.

You know you struggle. You know there is hate in this world. And
you long within yourself for something more. This is that something.
God is giving you what you're asking for. He's pointing you the way
to total victory in His Son.

Come to Him. Even come with words like this, "God, I don't know if
you are real, or if Jesus is real, but if you are, and if He is, and
if there is a real afterlife in eternity, then I do want to honestly
know the truth about it. I want to know the truth so I can make an
informed and right decision. And if you are real, I ask you to help
me."

If you can muster up that degree of truth-seeking ... God will do
the rest.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

To be alive spiritually is to be different than you are born with.
Each of us is born physically one time, and we will die physically
at some point. But in order to gain eternal life you must not only
be born physically, but also be born spiritually, for it is there
in the spirit you gain eternal life.

If you are born once, you'll die twice: once here, once in Hell.
If you are born twice, you'll only die once: here.

-----
Jesus has already made the way for you to be saved. The hard work's
already been done by Him. He's come to the Earth and upheld all of
His requirements to make it possible for you to escape Hell.

Now, He simply issues the call to your heart and says, "Come, and be
with me in Heaven forever in a body like the angels."

Do you want to live forever? In a beautiful body like the angels?
In a place of everlasting love, and peace, and joy? With God Himself,
able to talk to Him face-to-face and ask Him questions and learn from
Him and explore all He's created in this vast universe?

That's what He's offering you. For free. He loves you enough to
forgive all you've ever done wrong. He will give you a new clean
slate, and a real purpose for living.

Say the name: "Jesus."
Say the name: "Jesus."
Say the name: "Jesus. Forgive my sin and save me."

He will do it right now where you are. Right where you sit. Right
this second. Just ask Him, and then watch your life change. You'll
be amazed, because He is amazing. You'll be amazed at how amazing
He is. You'll be wrapped up in awe for the rest of your Earthly
days, and when you see Him in Heaven and He greets you in peace and
love, you'll be in further awe. Any crowns you receive here upon
the Earth for your works in service to Him, you'll cast back at His
feet and you'll cry out at the top of your lungs, "WORTHY IS THE
LAMB WHO WAS SLAIN FOR THE SIN OF THE WORLD!"

"Awesome" never knew such meaning as it does when applied to Jesus.
He's the true Awesome. "That pizza was awesome." "That movie was
awesome." They can't hold a candle to Awesome with a capital "A".

I urge you, my friends, my brothers, my sisters here on this Earth,
come to Jesus and become part of the Kingdom of God. Become part
of the vast future that awaits all who are redeemed. Come and be
a part of something that's solid and real and eternal and secure.
Come and be a part of something that's not only bigger than you
are, but bigger than anything else is. Come and be a part of a
real family of real love, proper relationships, whole dealings,
perfect righteousness in Him, and a guiding Hand that will never
cease to be strong and who serves to demonstrate those things He
has for us.

God is inexhaustible. He isn't part of a working of man. He's
far beyond man. He created the Heavens and the Earth and all that
there is, and He gave us a choice. He didn't want robots following
Him, "Yes, master. Yes, master." He wants real living souls, those
who have their own choices, their own thoughts, their own opinions,
their own ways of doing things.

He makes them all righteous and spotless and blameless and perfect
so they are well-suited for entry into His eternal Kingdom. Nothing
of improper form will ever be there. God takes care of His House.
He maintains order. He maintains righteousness. He makes it so the
doors don't need to be locked, and there will never be night, where
the lamb will lay down with the wolf and both will be safe and secure.

There is no hatred in Heaven. No animosity toward others. No
jealousy. No loss. Nothing lacking. It is the existence God intended
for us before sin entered in to this world and destroyed everything.
But God has made all things new. He comes to us with all that He is,
and all that He has, and says, "I will give all of this to you. You
will be co-heirs with me in the resurrection. Not joint-heirs where
all that He has is divided, but co-heirs, meaning all that He receives
we also will receive, because those who are redeemed are married to
Him in Heaven. He's the Bridegroom, and we are the bride, with the
Earthly pattern of marriage given to mankind as a precursor to the
real form of marriage that will be for all eternity.

Heaven won't be like it is here. It will be better. It's described
as a paradise where even the streets are gold. Where there are new
colors to see, new experiences and types of input into our being.
Time will not operate there as it does here, for it is a place of
eternal existence.

But there will be some things that are familiar. We'll see each
other in Heaven, even in our new bodies, and we will recognize and
know one another. And we will shine like the stars, glowing, even
as Moses did when he came down from the mountain having spent 40
days with God. His face was glowing and he had to veil himself.
In Heaven, we'll all be glowing with the pure rich light of fullest
righteousness given us by Jesus Christ. We'll shine with beauty
and the remarkable creation of God unrestrained by any degree of
sin or sickness or disease or death. It will be all pure. It will
be God's full expression untainted. Our bodies will glow like the
most brilliant stones you can imagine, but they'll be not hard like
stones, they'll be proper bodies of soft and gentle, yet powerful
form.

We'll be able to whisk ourselves from place to place through our
will. No means of locomotion to get there, but the spirit of God
will give us power to move where we desire in an instant. Fire
will not hurt us, for Jesus came to the Earth even and saved three
men in a fire that was seven times hotter than normal, so that not
even the smell of smoke was on them, let alone anything burned.

The power and authority we'll have in Heaven will be unrestrained
in service to Him. We won't have to worry about building permits
or whether or not there are materials and labor forces sufficient
to complete our task, or if we have enough money to meet this week's
payroll. It will be all provided for by God so that when we are
seeking to express ourselves, painting our corner of God's vast
universe, so we will do so unabated. We want to go big, we'll go
big. We want to go grand, we'll go grand. We want to go small
and make petite beauty, so shall it be.

God has gone ahead and prepared a place for us. He is coming back
to receive us so we can go to that place He's prepared for us. He
wants us there. He longs for us to be there. He's done all of
the hard work to get us there. And now He says simply, "Come, and
be a part of all I have done."

He's not charging us with a cost. He's not demanding of us, His
very own family, that we should pay to be a part of what He's done.
He's done what a good Father would do. He's gone out and made a
way to correct the lies of sin introduced by Satan, such that we
can be redeemed from that which we all so richly deserve because
of our own sin. He's done it for free, but it was a real thing
that's been done. Jesus will bear the marks of the cross in Heaven.
He'll always be marked by what He did for us, so that when we
behold Him in His glory, there will be the marks on His hands and
feet and side.

God has made the way. He calls out to you. He wants you to be a
part of His eternal Kingdom. And He warns you with greatest and
most powerful warning of what's coming if you do not receive His
free offer of salvation. He's warning that holding on to your
rebellion against God, holding on to lies and evil doings, that
these will keep you under judgment, under condemnation, and there
will be no hope for you.

But for all who are wise, they will look themselves in the eye in
the mirror and say, "YES! I am a sinner. YES! I need to be
redeemed. YES! I need to run to the Lord right now because I am
not only a sinner, but I am filthy in sin. A wretch am I. A whore
of high standing in the kingdom of whoredom."

And that soul will cry out to the Lord, "Jesus! Come and save me!
I do not want to go to Hell, but I want to be redeemed! I am a
sinner and I need to be forgiven! Save me, Lord! Save me from the
flames of death's eternal grip on my soul. Save me into your
Kingdom of Gold. Save me, Lord, and restore me to the life that
once was, and was lost through sin, and is now made possible only
by You again! Save me, Jesus, for I am in need today."

Do this, and you will live. Ask Him to receive you and He will.
It comes with a promised change. It comes with a promised release
of the burden of sin. There's a book written about that release,
called "The Pilgrim's Progress." The man carries a burden which
slows him down, until he comes to the cross where the burden is
taken away and his load is made light by the Lord.

Come to Him and have that burden of sin taken off your back. Be
able to move rightly and soundly and assuredly. Stand up in this
world, knowing that you are here but for a time, and then eternity
begins. Stand up knowing with confidence where you will be going,
and where you will not be going. And then reach out to those
around you who, today, are perishing as you were, and teach them
as you were also taught. Taught by the Lord from within to be
able to hear this call, that the message goes out from us, and
in from the Lord, out from our words, and into the heart by the
Lord, so that the two meet up and encourage a soul unto life, and
move that soul from within toward the everlasting grace that lives
in Jesus Christ.

Be His, my friend. Be His in this world, knowing that you are also
His in the hereafter.

You'll never approach anything like service to Him here in this
world. There aren't other things which compare to it, for it is
a true expression of spirit to serve Him. The people of this
world who are perishing cannot understand it, but we do not labor
for them. We labor for those who will be saved. We must continue
to labor despite their railings to contrary so as to maximize the
return on the work done at the cross. Jesus paid a price sufficient
to save all men everywhere, but not all men will be saved, but only
those who repent, and come to Jesus asking for forgiveness.

There are many still out there who will believe. Teach them about
their sin. Teach them about Hell. Teach them that there is a way
to be saved, and that there is only one way to be saved, but that
because of who Jesus is ... one way is enough.

His arms are open wide on that cross. He has love to give out to
all who will come to Him. You can't exhaust Him. He remains not
only standing, but strong. He stands above the sin your wretched
life casts upon Him. He went down to the pit and took the full
burden of sin upon Him and on the third day He rose again triumphant
over death, Hell, and the grave. And all who put their faith and
trust in Him will never perish.

He is the Lord God Almighty, and He calls out to you because He
wants you to be saved. He wants you to thrive. He wants you to
express in His universe with everything that is uniquely you. He
wants you to be a part of His Kingdom in the form and manner that
you desire ... of fullest eternal expression ... better than gold,
better than everything that has ever been made, because it is your
life given unto Him in this magnificent whole creation.

Come be a part of His Kingdom. Come be a part of the fellowship
of mankind in His Son, Jesus Christ. Do not be hypocrites like
the world, but come and be real. Live it daily. Teach it always.
Stand strong for the Lord so that people can see the difference
between you and those perishing in the world. Do not walk in
darkness, but be a light shining so all can see.

The Lord has made you for greatness. Do not sell out to the weak
draws and pulls of this world. Shiny fleeting trinkets of nothing
that will not endure. Instead, take up the yoke of the Lord and
walk in assurance that does endure, that cannot be conquered, that
is eternal, that is guided by the One from everlasting to ever-
lasting.

He calls out to you, friend. Do not delay. Do not hinder youself
in coming to ask Him. From right there where you are right now,
lift your voice to Heaven and cry out, "Jesus! I am a sinner.
Come into my heart and save me from my sin!" And watch Him work
another miracle in your life today.

God bless you, my friend. I look forward to seeing how you will
shine here upon this Earth, and in Heaven.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

That's the main goal, I guess. Fwiw, I put a double negative in the text
to make it seem like I agree with him wrt pushing people against a wall.
Just to see if the artifact might stifle responses.

Swap:

would not be akin

to

would be akin

;^)

[Daniel]

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 9:25:36 AM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 8:42:22 AM UTC-4, Reinhardt Behm wrote:
> >
> > Keep you pink unicorns for yourself.
>
> If I were speaking about something imaginary, your statement would
> be valid. I used to think it was imaginary, but then I met the Lord
> one day.

Rick, any psychiatrist will tell you that it happens that some people really
do see pink unicorns, or little green men, or Jesus, in their cupboards.
Some of these people worry that they might be going nuts, and go to see a
psychiatrist. Others think that what they're seeing is perfectly normal, and
it's their families that takes them to the psychiatrist. If you really believe that you met the Lord, you might want to consider the latter possibility, since it's a real one.

Best regards,
Daniel

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Daniel,

You're in the natural position of rejecting the things of God as
foolishness, even mental disorder:

http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/1-18.htm
http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/2-14.htm

You mock what you do not perceive or understand. The teaching
is this: there is more to our lives than what our flesh is able to
know and understand. There is spirit. Jesus is the way to gain
spiritual life. He does this by taking our sin away, which makes
us in right standing with God again, which restores us to our
spiritual life.

Check it out from other sources. Go talk to Christians you know
personally. Inquire of them face to face. Do not take my word
for it. Do the testing research and see for yourself.

[Daniel]

On Thursday, July 13, 2017 at 10:51:09 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Daniel,
>
>
> You mock

I'm not mocking you. Some people literally do see little green men in their
back yard and think that that's normal, a friend of mine's in-laws did. We
understand these things better today than we did in the past.

We live in the modern world, and there's no going back. We understand how
ancient myths evolved, and their great contribution to human civilization.
There is a enormous amount of scholarship around this, I would encourage you
to explore it. By focusing on the unimportant things - salvation and
eternity - you miss the profound nature of the ideas, the human ideas.

Best regards,
Daniel