Bjarne Stroustrup's comments on C++11 - the new ISO C++ standard

[Lynn McGuire]

Bjarne Stroustrup's comments on C++11 -
the new ISO C++ standard:
http://www.stroustrup.com/C++11FAQ.html

I need to study this extensively. He has
put in a lot of time and thought here.

Lynn

[Ian Collins]

Lynn McGuire wrote:
> Bjarne Stroustrup's comments on C++11 -
> the new ISO C++ standard:
> http://www.stroustrup.com/C++11FAQ.html

I see from the links on that page that "The C++ Programming Language
(4th Edition)" is now shipping.

--
Ian Collins

[Rui Maciel]

Indeed.

To spread the good word, isocpp's blog announced this a week ago.

http://isocpp.org/blog/2013/05/tcpp4e-now-shipping


Rui Maciel

[Jorgen Grahn]

Already? That's good news -- last time I checked the date was years
into the future. Perhaps that was years ago.

Will order tonight.

/Jorgen

--
// Jorgen Grahn <grahn@ Oo o. . .
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[Ian Collins]

Well worth getting. The best C++ book is now a whole lot better.

--
Ian Collins

[Jorgen Grahn]

Amazon now tells me my copy is due right after Midsummer -- along with
Spacemen 3's classic "Taking Drugs to Make Music to Take Drugs To".
(No comparison intended.)

I just hope it has the 2nd edition's soft binding, which has allowed
me to read it in bed and fall asleep countless times.

[red floyd]

Mine came in the mail today. It's softcover.

[Lynn McGuire]

Amazon says that it is a paperback:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Programming-Language-4th-Edition/dp/0321563840/

Lynn

[Ian Collins]

Jorgen Grahn wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-05-30, Ian Collins wrote:
>> Ian Collins wrote:
>>> Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> Bjarne Stroustrup's comments on C++11 -
>>>> the new ISO C++ standard:
>>>> http://www.stroustrup.com/C++11FAQ.html
>>>
>>> I see from the links on that page that "The C++ Programming Language
>>> (4th Edition)" is now shipping.
>>
>> Well worth getting. The best C++ book is now a whole lot better.
>
> Amazon now tells me my copy is due right after Midsummer -- along with
> Spacemen 3's classic "Taking Drugs to Make Music to Take Drugs To".
> (No comparison intended.)

They told me mine was due on the 9th of June, but it arrived Wednesday.

> I just hope it has the 2nd edition's soft binding, which has allowed
> me to read it in bed and fall asleep countless times.

It does.

--
Ian Collins

[Jorgen Grahn]

There are different kinds of softcovers -- the 2nd edition I have is
very soft and flexible. I guess it's the binding. Since none of you
have complained, I guess this 4th ed. is comparable.

(Softcovers can be bad. The worst ones were those that came with a CD
or DVD. I hope that practice went away with increased IP bandwidths.)

[Jorgen Grahn]

On Fri, 2013-05-31, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-05-30, red floyd wrote:
>> On 5/30/2013 12:52 PM, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2013-05-30, Ian Collins wrote:
>>>> Ian Collins wrote:

...

>>>>> I see from the links on that page that "The C++ Programming Language
>>>>> (4th Edition)" is now shipping.
>>>>
>>>> Well worth getting. The best C++ book is now a whole lot better.
>>>
>>> Amazon now tells me my copy is due right after Midsummer -- along with
>>> Spacemen 3's classic "Taking Drugs to Make Music to Take Drugs To".
>>> (No comparison intended.)
>>>
>>> I just hope it has the 2nd edition's soft binding, which has allowed
>>> me to read it in bed and fall asleep countless times.
>>
>> Mine came in the mail today. It's softcover.
>
> There are different kinds of softcovers -- the 2nd edition I have is
> very soft and flexible. I guess it's the binding. Since none of you
> have complained, I guess this 4th ed. is comparable.

Mine came today and yes, its binding seems just as functional as the
2nd's. It's also only 25% or so thicker, so I can keep reading in bed.

[Enue]

Convince me. I'm still working on the first double-volume set. (You really
don't want me to critique it, and I really don't want to). What's up with
Bjarne these days anyway? He hasn't had a "relevant" thought since you used
his "quick-hack programming language" (QHPL).

[Enue]

Help me with this. People still buy "books" (made of paper?). But technical
books? Is this Bjarne's worst night mare: that his intellectual offerings
would stagnate with a peutrid programming language? He went from "engineer"
at AT&T, to academia, right? Anyone else wanna know about that? I do.

Bjarne, how's the philosophy going? Figured it out yet? C++ pays the bills?
Are your personal goals being met? Or have they been met? I don't think so,
as far as the technical stuff (C++) goes. AT&T changed before you were
there: the time when invention of UNIX had already past. Then you had your
skunkworks C++, and to this day, they don't want it, .... uh oh, but I don't
want it either: I just want my phone to work (but just saying that makes me
a dinosaur). Did AT&T KNOW that your quick-hack C++ was a loser? I think
not. I think I know what "they" did: <I don't know how to convey that at
this time>.

So, you are "an intellectual". You make a lot of wrong (in retrospect, but
you were not a language designer then, just a "worker") decisions in
creation of a programming language (C++). You write insignificant books for
years, to capitalize on the fame of your quick-hack programming language.
But wait, that makes you NOT an engineer, but something else. OK.

So you leave <is there a name for it: for-profit?>, and seek haven in
academia. How is that working against your philosophy?

Mind you, not AGAINST BJARNE"S PHILOSOPHY, but rather, "given your
<philosphy (I mean, you have "one", right?)>", but what do I care about you
other than the others? Why do I ask these questions of you?

***
All tapped-out on that post (response).. don't even try me on chickens and
eggs.

[Enue]

Jorgen Grahn wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-05-30, red floyd wrote:
>> On 5/30/2013 12:52 PM, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2013-05-30, Ian Collins wrote:
>>>> Ian Collins wrote:
>>>>> Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>> Bjarne Stroustrup's comments on C++11 -
>>>>>> the new ISO C++ standard:
>>>>>> http://www.stroustrup.com/C++11FAQ.html
>>>>>
>>>>> I see from the links on that page that "The C++ Programming
>>>>> Language (4th Edition)" is now shipping.
>>>>
>>>> Well worth getting. The best C++ book is now a whole lot better.
>>>
>>> Amazon now tells me my copy is due right after Midsummer -- along
>>> with Spacemen 3's classic "Taking Drugs to Make Music to Take Drugs
>>> To". (No comparison intended.)
>>>
>>> I just hope it has the 2nd edition's soft binding, which has allowed
>>> me to read it in bed and fall asleep countless times.
>>>
>>
>> Mine came in the mail today. It's softcover.
>
> There are different kinds of softcovers -- the 2nd edition I have is
> very soft and flexible. I guess it's the binding. Since none of you
> have complained, I guess this 4th ed. is comparable.
>
> (Softcovers can be bad. The worst ones were those that came with a CD
> or DVD. I hope that practice went away with increased IP bandwidths.)
>

I get it: you are followers of "the bible".

OK, I'll leave it at that. But you know what, Jesus didn't want to die, you
just had the vote.

[Enue]

Why is expounse on obsolete programming language noteworthy?

[Valentin BERNARD]

So, Enue is Jeb, and Jeb is Tony. Do I get it right?

[Jorgen Grahn]

On Wed, 2013-06-12, Valentin BERNARD wrote:
...

> So, Enue is Jeb, and Jeb is Tony. Do I get it right?

Either way, they all remind me of Zippy the Pinhead.

[Öö Tiib]

On Wednesday, 12 June 2013 08:56:49 UTC+3, Enue wrote:
> Help me with this.

OK. But what help you need exactly?

> People still buy "books" (made of paper?). But technical
> books?

Books are media to pass information. Books made of paper are not best for
everything but are more convenient than alternatives in several senses. Lot
of people read books made of paper. There are several bookstores in every
major city on Earth.

> Is this Bjarne's worst night mare: that his intellectual offerings
> would stagnate with a peutrid programming language?

C++ is programming language. Programming languages are tools for writing
software. C++ is not best tool for designing every software but is more
convenient than alternatives for several purposes so it is widely used.

> He went from "engineer" at AT&T, to academia, right? Anyone else wanna
> know about that? I do.

He is a man who has done something during his life. He has designed
a (quite popular) programming language and has written some (quite popular)
books about it. There are lot of other books and programming languages so
whatever you have done (or not done) during your life is not fault of his.

[Enui]

Öö Tiib wrote:
> On Wednesday, 12 June 2013 08:56:49 UTC+3, Enue wrote:
>> Help me with this.
>
> OK. But what help you need exactly?
>
>> People still buy "books" (made of paper?). But technical
>> books?
>
> Books are media to pass information. Books made of paper are not best
> for everything but are more convenient than alternatives in several
> senses. Lot of people read books made of paper. There are several
> bookstores in every major city on Earth.
>
>> Is this Bjarne's worst night mare: that his intellectual offerings
>> would stagnate with a peutrid programming language?
>
> C++ is programming language. Programming languages are tools for
> writing software. C++ is not best tool for designing every software
> but is more convenient than alternatives for several purposes so it
> is widely used.
>
>> He went from "engineer" at AT&T, to academia, right? Anyone else
>> wanna know about that? I do.
>
> He is a man who has done something during his life.

Translated: you couldn't program yourself out of a paper bag, but someone
else showed you any way to do it and now you're kinda good at doing that.
This has nothing to do with BS, it's all about you, ya know. No need for
introspection, just face reality. The reality is that your whole life is a
lie because you chose to follow blindly, or, and more likely, chose to join
a gang. Move to San Diego, it's the gangbanger capital of the world. Ya
think? Or am I "just spoutin'" nonsense all the time?

> He has designed

Nuh uh! C++ was anything BUT designed. Even BS will tell you that. It was
just a quick hack he did while "under the direction" of some IT PMB.
Engineering went out before the C++ was delivered. It was a
cultural/societal change. In retrospect, we now know what 20 years of
politics at the forefront result in (not that 3000 years of history before
that showed any different result).

> a (quite popular)

That has some merit, to some. It's easy to herd sheep(le)?

> programming language

He didn't really do that though.

> and has written some (quite
> popular) books

Let me count the number of them: 2.

> about it.

Believe you me, I appreciate the opportunity of that decades-long lapse in
writing of significant books. I know what to do NOW, but surely others do
too or are actually DOING IT NOW AND HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DO IT NOW.

Which get's us back to you: what's your problem, "programmer"? Can't program
yourself out of a paper bag?

> There are lot of other books and programming
> languages so whatever you have done (or not done) during your life is
> not fault of his.

"Nice try" at trying to move your own failure/failings upon me, but I can't
help you with that, biotch, ya know?