Opinions on Visual C++ ???
John J. Sasso Jr.
available. Does anyone know where I can get a Pro version at the most
affordable price? For those currently using VC++, how do you like it?
What are the pros and cons of it?
My place of employment is currently doing Windows programming with
SQL-Windows a (4GL Windows programming language), and if anyone is
familiar with this, how does it compare to VC++? They may consider
replacing SQL-Windows w/ VC++.
-- John S.
P.S. Are there any articles out there on VC++?
cs3302ch
I have VC++ and have been playing with it for about a week now. My initial
impressions are pretty favorable. You get with VC++ :
- 20 diskettes or 1 CDROM
- About 1.5 linear feet of manuals.
From the documentation it seems this is to replace c/c++ 7.0. You get all
of the tools in the SDK and can totally ignore the "Visual" part of the package
and live your life on the command line. (Fun, fun, fun...)
The package consists of several tools;
- Visual WB - This is where all of the "other" tools canbe invoked from. If you
open code you get an editor. If you open an RC file you get a
resource editor. (see below)
-App Wizard - You start your programming here by specifying what your program
is (Windows .EXE, DLL, DOS .exe, VBX control etc..) a plethora
of options (Compile,Link,Precompiled Headers.) and what pieces
the Class libraries you will need (SDI, MDI, Pen, VBX Controls)
You also control certain BASE names of objects you inherit.
-Class Wizard - Here you connect code to screen objects and the messages
they generate. VC++ allows you to pick the object, then pick
messages you want to deal with and it writes a skeleton ()
for you to fill in. (What could be simpler :-) )
- App Studio - You edit your "view" or screen here. You also edit all things
associated with traditional windows .RC files. You can also
edit toolbars and dialog boxes here.
Gee, I'm not at home so I can't give you an extensive list. VC++ supports
bringing in old code and .RC files. (I don't have any so I can't comment on
how well it does it.) It has a class browser and a set of call,called and
caller graphs. The traditional browser (PWB) has been updated and is very easy
to use.
The MFC classes have been upgraded (v2.0). They no longer look like wrappers
for the Windows API (Please no flames.). You have Pen support, object
persistance, toolbars and much much more. VC++ supports exceptions but not
templates, but I have not tried nested classes and such. (It is AT&T 2.5
compliant I guess :-) )
Beware.. It takes about 60+ Megs for an install. (the default is 48-49 Megs).
I got it for 199.00 via a competitive upgrade ala Borland C++. If you want to
program Windows with little fuss and get cracking on your C++ training so you
won't be unemployable when C goes the way of COBOL :-), GET IT! Cool program
It makes up for Windows Bill. (Can't wait for uSoft's Delta <- RCS from HELL)
adam hill - I program the Amiga for a living, I'm hard to impress. :-)
Terry L Parker -- CAVU Corporation -- R and D
> available. Does anyone know where I can get a Pro version at the most
I received my order blank to "upgrade" from VB Pro to VC++ Pro about two weeks
ago and sent it in the day after I received it. I still haven't received any
notice from M-soft so I called them today and they said they are back-ordered
(shock) and it may not even ship until the 2nd week of April.
>
Phil Hystad
> -- John S.
I have VC++ but haven't work'd with it enough for a good review of its
capabilities.
The professional version is available for $199 which is Microsoft's offer
for a competative price...this means that you can probably get it for a bit
lower from some of the discount places. Probably $160 to $170, maybe even
lower. Try "The Programmer Shop" and see if they have a price yet.
If your place of employment currently uses SQL-Windows and you want something
else, have you not considered Visual Basic (Professional Version). Visual
Basic and Visual C++ are not the same thing. Visual Basic really is a visual
development tool where you create your windows, menus, dialog boxes, and so
forth visually. Visual C++ is more of a Windows based C++ environment for
development Windows V3.1 applications. Indeed, Microsoft is pushing a combo
kit of Visual Basic and Visual C++ (as shown as SD'93) where Visual Basic is
used to develop the user interface and then C++ is used to develop application
code.
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srhe...@happy.uccs.edu
> sas...@marcus.its.rpi.edu (John J. Sasso Jr.) writes:
>
> lower. Try "The Programmer Shop" and see if they have a price yet.
>
The programmer's shop won't have it in stock for several weeks. The
programmer's paradise has a good price and they claim to have it in stock.
Anybody have a list of new features for V2 Microsoft foundation class library?
Sieg
Matt A Telles
so I can tell you what I have seen in it:
Toolbars
Status Bars
3D Stuff
New Document/View objects.
Other stuff of some interest.
The thing is nice, but slow. It isn't *really* an integrated environment,
more like Zortech's old combined edit/compile/link stuff with a shell calling
all of the pieces. On the other hand, the Wizards are almost worth the
price of the package by themselves. Now, if only the package had a halfway
decent editor...
Oh well, I endorse the thing. One caveat. I have been running it on a
486/50 with 16 meg RAM and 400 meg drive. I can't say how it will run on
a "normal" machine. Maybe when my copy comes in at home...
Matt