Well Ada [1] dropped of the edge and fell down to place 24. Place 20 is now "Lua" [2]. Note that the TIOBE index not a language index but a comunity index. Not Ada as a language is measured but our enthusiasm as Ada supporters.
Also intersting is that - by TIOBE definition [3] - all of the first 20 places (and 21 Logo ?!?) are now "A" level - which again by TIOBE definition are considered mainstream languages. (I wonder if they are going the change that definition anytime soon).
About a year ago I observed that the top 5 languages comunities are loosing ground in favour of smaller languages comunities.
Sad that the Ada comunity could not gain from that trend. Of course we have been hobbled because of the shift from usenet to more modern platforms like YouTube. Or Google Blogs - which brings me to an idea - maybe I should start to blog all my comp.lang.ada posts in Google Blogs.
> Well Ada [1] dropped of the edge and fell down to place 24. Place 20 is > now "Lua" [2]. Note that the TIOBE index not a language index but a > comunity index. Not Ada as a language is measured but our enthusiasm as Ada > supporters.
> Also intersting is that - by TIOBE definition [3] - all of the first 20 > places (and 21 Logo ?!?) are now "A" level - which again by TIOBE > definition are considered mainstream languages. (I wonder if they are going > the change that definition anytime soon).
> About a year ago I observed that the top 5 languages comunities are loosing > ground in favour of smaller languages comunities.
> Sad that the Ada comunity could not gain from that trend. Of course we have > been hobbled because of the shift from usenet to more modern platforms like > YouTube. Or Google Blogs - which brings me to an idea - maybe I should > start to blog all my comp.lang.ada posts in Google Blogs.
I've tried to always get the "programming" on the page with Ada but the current situation of scoring situation is pretty bogus.
For instance, c++ google returns about 124,000,000 hits trying c++ programming (no quotes) returns 7,870,000.
Since it is pretty reasonable to assume there are very view hits on c++ that re not about the language, that implies that the current Ada hit count should be multiplied by about 15.
In any case, I've been in lots of these programming language arguments and not once has tiobe come up. That is not to say that it is impossible for it to ever come up. Just saying it is not all that relevant
Or said another way, google for tiobe returns 88,900. Googling for cnet returns 136,000,000 from which I can only conclude that tiobe is not a relevant computer site.
Just remember that with the current scoring situation if you want to care that if you reply to a google blog or YouTube video and want to talk about Ada that you should say "Ada programming" or the response may be ignored...Silly.
> About a year ago I observed that the top 5 languages comunities are loosing > ground in favour of smaller languages comunities.
I have the impression that the whole distribution becomes more "flat". You also have all theses waves of scripting languages. Probably in 5-10 years you will have 50 "A" languages, including plenty of out-of-fashion scripting languages with ghost web pages... TIOBE should make different indexes: at least one for compiled languages and one for script languages. Mixing everything together is a bit silly, to be polite... Also too little credit is given to sustainability (3 months is as bit short...). Nonetheless the basic idea of that index is interesting. I just have an idea to make it more meaningful - coming soon...
> Sad that the Ada comunity could not gain from that trend. Of course we have > been hobbled because of the shift from usenet to more modern platforms like > YouTube. Or Google Blogs - which brings me to an idea - maybe I should > start to blog all my comp.lang.ada posts in Google Blogs.
In continuation to my previous post, if you set 3 language categories: compilable / script / other (mostly DB languages) you get a more meaningful picture:
For those interested, I have made an Excel sheet where you paste the array from TIOBE's web site and get 3 lists with the ranking, name and reweighed rating for each category. ______________________________________________________________ Gautier -- http://www.mysunrise.ch/users/gdm/index.htm Ada programming -- http://www.mysunrise.ch/users/gdm/gsoft.htm
NB: For a direct answer, e-mail address on the Web site!
> In continuation to my previous post, if you set 3 language categories: > compilable / script / other (mostly DB languages) you get a more meaningful picture:
> For those interested, I have made an Excel sheet where you paste the array from > TIOBE's web site and get 3 lists with the ranking, name and reweighed rating for > each category. > ______________________________________________________________ > Gautier --http://www.mysunrise.ch/users/gdm/index.htm > Ada programming --http://www.mysunrise.ch/users/gdm/gsoft.htm
> NB: For a direct answer, e-mail address on the Web site!
Thanks for the effort:
I think this one looks more realistic. Now every reputable CS department has to come up with their own language. That is why there are so many simplistic, totally useless hello-world type of languages that poor students are forced to use.
I wonder if someone analyzed what is used for mission-critical/life- safety/embedded apps? That would be closer to what for Ada was designed for. It will probably come down to C/C++ and Ada. Now there are talks about RT extensions in Java and C# also.
Jeffrey Creem wrote: > Just remember that with the current scoring situation if you want to > care that if you reply to a google blog or YouTube video and want to > talk about Ada that you should say "Ada programming" or the response may > be ignored...Silly.
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