a *new* infosystem
Kai Engert
I've been dreaming and thinking for some time about a new hypertext
system. My vision is complete crosslinking of all the available textual
information on this planet PLUS a front end tool, that allows reading,
navigation and authoring with an identical interface, for every kind of
user. (Multimedia is not required in my opinion in a first step.)
I want better navigation tools, not only "go back a level". I want
persistent, user based, automatically growing navigation history trees.
I want even more. Some months ago, when I saw WWW the first time, I was
delighted to see that something is in progress. It's a *great* thing, but
in my point of view, it's nothing more than a first move in the right
direction.
I'm currently designing for myself, but this project seems to be more
work than a single person could ever do. I would like to get in contact
with others, that have already some real ideas in mind and are willing to
start something. I'm sure there are already people out there, who are
working on such a project. I would like to get to know more about them
and join them! Also, I'm looking for *any* references, you know about,
where I could find information on what's currently in progress.
Any input appreciated, thanks a lot!
MULLINS
lsc 511 o1 extrea project 4: Usenets assignment article one
Tracie Scott
M Carr
Have you seen hyper-g ?
Still new, but promising much.
Mat
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Matiu Carr
School of Architecture Property and Planning
University of Auckland email: m.c...@auckland.ac.nz
New Zealand WWW: http://archpropplan.auckland.ac.nz/
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Kai Engert
: lsc 511 o1 extrea project 4: Usenets assignment article one
: Tracie Scott
oops, I don't understand?
Kai Engert
: Have you seen hyper-g ?
: Still new, but promising much.
: Mat
No, where can I get info about it?
Thanks, Kai
M Carr
>M Carr (m...@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz) wrote:
If you have a WWW client you can get to a hyper-g server through the NCSA
internet starting points page. It was originally developed in Graz, Austria.
If you connect to
http://hmu1.cs.aukuni.ac.nz/ROOT
You will be connected to a hyper-g server in NZ.
If you have some kind of Unix X system, somewhere you are able to initiate
the installation of "Harmony" the hyper-g viewer for X.
There is a windows based client at this stage aswell.
Here's a quote from the about page.
Under the management of Professor Maurer, Hyper-G is being developed
jointly by The Institute for Information Processing and Computer Supported
New Media (IICM) at Graz University of Technology, Austria and the Institute
for Hypermedia Systems at Joanneum Research, Graz, Austria.
Hyper-G is a large-scale, distributed, hypermedia information system which
runs over the Internet and is similar in scope to, and compatible with,
network tools like Gopher, WWW, and WAIS.
There's heaps more.
Andrew Pam
: Hi, I'm Kai, programmer and student of information science.
: I've been dreaming and thinking for some time about a new hypertext
: system. My vision is complete crosslinking of all the available textual
: information on this planet PLUS a front end tool, that allows reading,
: navigation and authoring with an identical interface, for every kind of
: user. (Multimedia is not required in my opinion in a first step.)
Vannevar Bush was the first person to have this vision, and wrote an article
for the Atlantic Monthly in 1945 describing what he called the "Memex".
Ted Nelson was the next person to have this idea in the early 1960s, and
in 1965 he coined the words "hypertext" and "hypermedia" among others.
WWW and Hyper-G are directly derived from his life's work, Xanadu.
: I want better navigation tools, not only "go back a level". I want
: persistent, user based, automatically growing navigation history trees.
: I want even more. Some months ago, when I saw WWW the first time, I was
: delighted to see that something is in progress. It's a *great* thing, but
: in my point of view, it's nothing more than a first move in the right
: direction.
Yes. WWW has many (sometimes strangely arbitrary) limitations and is but a
pale shadow of Xanadu. Hyper-G is much closer to the mark.
: I'm currently designing for myself, but this project seems to be more
: work than a single person could ever do. I would like to get in contact
: with others, that have already some real ideas in mind and are willing to
: start something. I'm sure there are already people out there, who are
: working on such a project. I would like to get to know more about them
: and join them! Also, I'm looking for *any* references, you know about,
: where I could find information on what's currently in progress.
You will want to read the Xanadu FAQ (in this newsgroup, among others)
and probably also visit our Gopher/WWW site (see my signature below).
: Any input appreciated, thanks a lot!
You're welcome!
Share and enjoy,
*** AVATAR ***
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Andrew Pam ava...@aus.xanadu.com
Manager, Serious Cybernetics ava...@jolt.mpx.com.au
Coordinator, Xanadu Australia <http://www.aus.xanadu.com/>
P.O. Box 409, Canterbury VIC 3126 Australia gopher gopher.aus.xanadu.com
Wolfgang Dalitz
>> Hi, I'm Kai, programmer and student of information science.
>> I've been dreaming and thinking for some time about a new hypertext
>> ...
Kai,
many of the stuff you are thinking about is still realized in Hyper-G (which
is also visible by WWW-Clients). Try
http://www.tu-graz.ac.at/C~anonymous
for the hyper root (or http://elib.zib-berlin.de:8000/Crootcollection for a German
Hyper-G site).
But it's much better to use a Hyper-G client like Harmony (X11) or Amadeus (PC)
to get the full functionallity. Try
ftp://elib.zib-berlin.de//pub/InfoSystems/Hyper-G
to get related material included the Hyper-G papers.
BTW, I'm still wondering why there isn't much discussions about this new infosystem.
For me it's one of the interestings development in these field. Many inconstinstence
of the popular WWW system are removed (i.e. dead links) and many new features are
available (i.e. fulltext and keyword searching). You must spent a little more time
to build up a Hyper-G server, but you get much more information back.
Wolfgang Dalitz
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ZIB - Konrad-Zuse-Zentrum fuer Informationstechnik Berlin
Heilbronner Str. 10, D-10711 Berlin-Wilmersdorf, Germany
E-Mail: Dal...@ZIB-Berlin.de
Telefon: +49 30/89604-201 Fax: +49 30/89604-125
Helmut Muelner
-> eng...@wiwi.uni-frankfurt.d400.de (Kai Engert) writes:
>> M Carr (m...@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz) wrote:
>> : Have you seen hyper-g ?
>> : Still new, but promising much.
>> : Mat
>> No, where can I get info about it?
>> Thanks, Kai
-> If you have a WWW client you can get to a hyper-g server through the NCSA
-> internet starting points page. It was originally developed in Graz, Austria.
-> If you connect to
-> http://hmu1.cs.aukuni.ac.nz/ROOT
... or you can use the server in Graz:
http://hyperg.tu-graz.ac.at
or get infos/binaries from ftp::/ftp.tu-graz.ac.at/pub/Hyper-G
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"I make no mistakes, Helmut Muelner
only experiences." M\"ulner
Mülner
M\x0FClner
hmue...@iicm.tu-graz.ac.at FAX ++43/316/824 394
By the way: Don't forget ED-MEDIA'95:
The World Conference on Educational Multimedia and Hypermedia, June 18-21,1995,
Graz, Austria (Home of Hyper-G, INFO: ftp://iicm.tu-graz.ac.at/pub/Hyper-G)
DEADLINE for submissions: Oct. 21, 1994. (INFO: aa...@virginia.edu)
Frank Kappe
Helmut> ... or you can use the server in Graz:
Helmut> http://hyperg.tu-graz.ac.at
an even better reference is
http://hyperg.iicm.tu-graz.ac.at
The software itself can be found at:
Austria ftp://ftp.iicm.tu-graz.ac.at/pub/Hyper-G
Germany ftp://elib.ZIB-Berlin.DE/pub/InfoSystems/Hyper-G
ftp://ftp.ask.uni-karlsruhe.de/pub/infosystems/Hyper-G
Sweden ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Networked.Information.Retrieval/Hyper-G
New Zealand ftp://cs.auckland.ac.nz/out/Hyper-G
Frank
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Institute for Information Processing and Computer Supported New Media (IICM)
Graz University of Technology, Austria
Voice: ++43/316/832551-22 Fax: ++43/316/824394
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