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Philip Herlihy
May 3, 2012, 8:58:20 AM5/3/12
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I've just seen what it would cost to upgrade my Adobe Web Premium CS4
(which had seemed good value at the time) to the larger Design & Web
Premium, which includes InDesign, which I'll never use.
I like lots of things about Dreamweaver (like its support for regular
expressions) but its rendering in "Design" view isn't good, and I have
to F12 out to a browser to see what a page will actually look like. I
value the tag completion functions (like Microsoft's "intellisense") but
I'm wondering whether I want to pay that much to update everything. I
like Fireworks, but probably don't need an new features. I'm not a
sufficiently advanced Photoshop user to need new features there. I've
never got round to learning Flash, but might be interested in playing
with new (half-baked?) ability to export to HTML5 instead of the Flash
Player. I keep meaning to learn Illustrator, but the Serif equivalent
(DrawPlus) is more than an adequate substitute - all Serif stuff is
good, but I understand their web tool is wysiywg-oriented.
So maybe I'll just upgrade Dreamweaver, or maybe I'll explore
Microsoft's Expression Web - I'm more likely to go down the ASP.net
route than PHP as I can build on existing knowledge that way.
Finally the question: what HTML/CSS editors do folk here use?
--
Phil, London
(which had seemed good value at the time) to the larger Design & Web
Premium, which includes InDesign, which I'll never use.
I like lots of things about Dreamweaver (like its support for regular
expressions) but its rendering in "Design" view isn't good, and I have
to F12 out to a browser to see what a page will actually look like. I
value the tag completion functions (like Microsoft's "intellisense") but
I'm wondering whether I want to pay that much to update everything. I
like Fireworks, but probably don't need an new features. I'm not a
sufficiently advanced Photoshop user to need new features there. I've
never got round to learning Flash, but might be interested in playing
with new (half-baked?) ability to export to HTML5 instead of the Flash
Player. I keep meaning to learn Illustrator, but the Serif equivalent
(DrawPlus) is more than an adequate substitute - all Serif stuff is
good, but I understand their web tool is wysiywg-oriented.
So maybe I'll just upgrade Dreamweaver, or maybe I'll explore
Microsoft's Expression Web - I'm more likely to go down the ASP.net
route than PHP as I can build on existing knowledge that way.
Finally the question: what HTML/CSS editors do folk here use?
--
Phil, London
Justin C
May 3, 2012, 11:27:32 AM5/3/12
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On 2012-05-03, Philip Herlihy <bounc...@you.com> wrote:
> Finally the question: what HTML/CSS editors do folk here use?
TextMate or Vim.
> Finally the question: what HTML/CSS editors do folk here use?
Justin.
--
Justin C, by the sea.
Ben C
May 3, 2012, 3:01:45 PM5/3/12
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On 2012-05-03, Philip Herlihy <bounc...@you.com> wrote:
[...]
> I like lots of things about Dreamweaver (like its support for regular
> expressions) but its rendering in "Design" view isn't good, and I have
> to F12 out to a browser to see what a page will actually look like. I
> value the tag completion functions (like Microsoft's "intellisense") but
> I'm wondering whether I want to pay that much to update everything.
Vim does that (it's called "omnicomplete"-- Ctrl-X Ctrl-O). You pay as
> expressions) but its rendering in "Design" view isn't good, and I have
> to F12 out to a browser to see what a page will actually look like. I
> value the tag completion functions (like Microsoft's "intellisense") but
> I'm wondering whether I want to pay that much to update everything.
much as you want to the ICCF.
[...]
> So maybe I'll just upgrade Dreamweaver, or maybe I'll explore
> Microsoft's Expression Web - I'm more likely to go down the ASP.net
> route than PHP as I can build on existing knowledge that way.
>
> Finally the question: what HTML/CSS editors do folk here use?
Vim of course.
> Microsoft's Expression Web - I'm more likely to go down the ASP.net
> route than PHP as I can build on existing knowledge that way.
>
> Finally the question: what HTML/CSS editors do folk here use?
Philip Herlihy
May 3, 2012, 3:32:36 PM5/3/12
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In article <slrnjq5lgp....@bowser.marioworld>,
spam...@spam.eggs says...
Two votes for Vim so far. I even downloaded it a few months ago, and
haven't found time to play with it. I was a dab hand with Vi once...
--
Phil, London
spam...@spam.eggs says...
haven't found time to play with it. I was a dab hand with Vi once...
--
Phil, London
James Moe
May 3, 2012, 3:44:26 PM5/3/12
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On 05/03/2012 05:58 AM, Philip Herlihy wrote:
>
> Finally the question: what HTML/CSS editors do folk here use?
>
SlickEdit - http://www.slickedit.com/.
>
> Finally the question: what HTML/CSS editors do folk here use?
>
$300 initial price, less for upgrades. Multiple OSes.
HTMLKit - http://www.htmlkit.com/ (Windows only)
--
James Moe
jmm-list at sohnen-moe dot com
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
May 3, 2012, 5:00:22 PM5/3/12
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Justin C wrote:
> On 2012-05-03, Philip Herlihy <bounc...@you.com> wrote:
>> Finally the question: what HTML/CSS editors do folk here use?
>
> TextMate or Vim.
Primarily Eclipse WTP [1]. Occasionally Vim [2] and Notepad++ [3].
> On 2012-05-03, Philip Herlihy <bounc...@you.com> wrote:
>> Finally the question: what HTML/CSS editors do folk here use?
>
> TextMate or Vim.
PSPad [4] or Windows Notepad if I have to.
PointedEars
___________
[1] <http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=webtools.sourceediting>
[2] <http://www.vim.org/>
[3] <http://notepad-plus-plus.org/>
[4] <http://www.pspad.com/en/>
--
Use any version of Microsoft Frontpage to create your site.
(This won't prevent people from viewing your source, but no one
will want to steal it.)
-- from <http://www.vortex-webdesign.com/help/hidesource.htm> (404-comp.)
Dr....@nyc.rr.com
May 3, 2012, 8:19:52 PM5/3/12
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On Thu, 3 May 2012 13:58:20 +0100, Philip Herlihy <bounc...@you.com>
wrote in <MPG.2a0c9146b...@news.demon.co.uk>:
>Finally the question: what HTML/CSS editors do folk here use?
CSE HTML Validator https://www.htmlvalidator.com/
There are several versions with free trial and the 'lite' is free
K..
wrote in <MPG.2a0c9146b...@news.demon.co.uk>:
>Finally the question: what HTML/CSS editors do folk here use?
There are several versions with free trial and the 'lite' is free
K..
tlvp
May 3, 2012, 9:57:49 PM5/3/12
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On Thu, 3 May 2012 13:58:20 +0100, Philip Herlihy wrote:
> Finally the question: what HTML/CSS editors do folk here use?
There always has to be an outlier, and I guess I'm it, with
> Finally the question: what HTML/CSS editors do folk here use?
NotePad and/or WordPad. Seriously :-) . I had tried CrimsonEdit for a time,
and liked it for its coloration -- until the day it opened a UTF-8 file as
8-bit Win-1252, destroying all the uniquely Polish characters I had there:
that's the day I gave up on it, reverting to the MS *Pads again.
Cheers, -- tlvp
--
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
dorayme
May 4, 2012, 12:36:28 AM5/4/12
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In article <1vvf7aj7i8dhu$.uuwdz02k...@40tude.net>,
HTML/CSSish on Win OS so I keep you company for the little I do on Win
OS. <g>
--
dorayme
tlvp <mPiOsUcB...@att.net> wrote:
> There always has to be an outlier, and I guess I'm it, with
> NotePad and/or WordPad. Seriously :-)
psst... tlvp... I too use Notepad or Wordpad when doing anything
> There always has to be an outlier, and I guess I'm it, with
> NotePad and/or WordPad. Seriously :-)
HTML/CSSish on Win OS so I keep you company for the little I do on Win
OS. <g>
--
dorayme
Justin C
May 4, 2012, 6:48:38 AM5/4/12
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forgotten!), Vim is just 'Vi IMproved'.
Gregor Kofler
May 4, 2012, 8:00:44 AM5/4/12
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Am 2012-05-03 14:58, Philip Herlihy meinte:
(im working on Linux). Sublime Text 2 is pretty, too.
Gregor
--
http://vxweb.net
> I've just seen what it would cost to upgrade my Adobe Web Premium CS4
> (which had seemed good value at the time) to the larger Design& Web
> Premium, which includes InDesign, which I'll never use.
>
> I like lots of things about Dreamweaver (like its support for regular
> expressions) but its rendering in "Design" view isn't good, and I have
> to F12 out to a browser to see what a page will actually look like. I
> value the tag completion functions (like Microsoft's "intellisense") but
> I'm wondering whether I want to pay that much to update everything. I
> like Fireworks, but probably don't need an new features. I'm not a
> sufficiently advanced Photoshop user to need new features there. I've
> never got round to learning Flash, but might be interested in playing
> with new (half-baked?) ability to export to HTML5 instead of the Flash
> Player. I keep meaning to learn Illustrator, but the Serif equivalent
> (DrawPlus) is more than an adequate substitute - all Serif stuff is
> good, but I understand their web tool is wysiywg-oriented.
>
> So maybe I'll just upgrade Dreamweaver, or maybe I'll explore
> Microsoft's Expression Web - I'm more likely to go down the ASP.net
> route than PHP as I can build on existing knowledge that way.
>
> Finally the question: what HTML/CSS editors do folk here use?
Eclipse WTP (in the Zend Studio flavor) or - for smaller issues - Geany
>
> I like lots of things about Dreamweaver (like its support for regular
> expressions) but its rendering in "Design" view isn't good, and I have
> to F12 out to a browser to see what a page will actually look like. I
> value the tag completion functions (like Microsoft's "intellisense") but
> I'm wondering whether I want to pay that much to update everything. I
> like Fireworks, but probably don't need an new features. I'm not a
> sufficiently advanced Photoshop user to need new features there. I've
> never got round to learning Flash, but might be interested in playing
> with new (half-baked?) ability to export to HTML5 instead of the Flash
> Player. I keep meaning to learn Illustrator, but the Serif equivalent
> (DrawPlus) is more than an adequate substitute - all Serif stuff is
> good, but I understand their web tool is wysiywg-oriented.
>
> So maybe I'll just upgrade Dreamweaver, or maybe I'll explore
> Microsoft's Expression Web - I'm more likely to go down the ASP.net
> route than PHP as I can build on existing knowledge that way.
>
> Finally the question: what HTML/CSS editors do folk here use?
(im working on Linux). Sublime Text 2 is pretty, too.
Gregor
--
http://vxweb.net
Jonathan N. Little
May 4, 2012, 8:36:29 AM5/4/12
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--
Take care,
Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
Swifty
May 4, 2012, 11:17:59 AM5/4/12
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On Thu, 3 May 2012 13:58:20 +0100, Philip Herlihy <bounc...@you.com>
wrote:
>what HTML/CSS editors do folk here use?
I use EditpadPro. I don't think it has any HTML support (other than
syntax colouring) but it has one neat feature:
If the filetype is HTML then I have a configured shortcut of Alt+O
which saves the file and then opens the HTML in my Opera Browser.
This way, I can see how I'm getting on. It's not 100% seamless, as it
switches to my browser, and I have to do something to switch back.
I could equally well have added sortcuts to open the source in IE or
Firefox or Chrome or Safari, but I already have that mechanism in
Opera. So once I have the page working in Opera, it is trivial to see
how it functions in the other browsers.
My apologoies if there are speklling mistakes in this POST; I just
changed the batteries in my LED torch, then I looked into the beam to
see if that one LED was still failing... so I'm flying blind, almost
literally.
--
Steve Swift
http://www.swiftys.org.uk/swifty.html
http://www.ringers.org.uk
wrote:
>what HTML/CSS editors do folk here use?
syntax colouring) but it has one neat feature:
If the filetype is HTML then I have a configured shortcut of Alt+O
which saves the file and then opens the HTML in my Opera Browser.
This way, I can see how I'm getting on. It's not 100% seamless, as it
switches to my browser, and I have to do something to switch back.
I could equally well have added sortcuts to open the source in IE or
Firefox or Chrome or Safari, but I already have that mechanism in
Opera. So once I have the page working in Opera, it is trivial to see
how it functions in the other browsers.
My apologoies if there are speklling mistakes in this POST; I just
changed the batteries in my LED torch, then I looked into the beam to
see if that one LED was still failing... so I'm flying blind, almost
literally.
--
Steve Swift
http://www.swiftys.org.uk/swifty.html
http://www.ringers.org.uk
Philip Herlihy
May 4, 2012, 11:39:49 AM5/4/12
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In article <d8s7q790435l8mnfu...@4ax.com>,
steve....@gmail.com says...
Very interesting to see the variety of editors in use, and the fact that
more of them are enhanced text editors than WYSIWYG environments. All
being bookmarked for later exploration.
--
Phil, London
steve....@gmail.com says...
>
> On Thu, 3 May 2012 13:58:20 +0100, Philip Herlihy <bounc...@you.com>
> wrote:
>
> >what HTML/CSS editors do folk here use?
>
> I use EditpadPro. I don't think it has any HTML support (other than
> syntax colouring) but it has one neat feature:
>
...
> On Thu, 3 May 2012 13:58:20 +0100, Philip Herlihy <bounc...@you.com>
> wrote:
>
> >what HTML/CSS editors do folk here use?
>
> I use EditpadPro. I don't think it has any HTML support (other than
> syntax colouring) but it has one neat feature:
>
Very interesting to see the variety of editors in use, and the fact that
more of them are enhanced text editors than WYSIWYG environments. All
being bookmarked for later exploration.
--
Phil, London
dorayme
May 4, 2012, 1:45:09 PM5/4/12
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In article <d8s7q790435l8mnfu...@4ax.com>,
what the HTML doc looks like in a browser I just drag the file name
over a browser for a first time (in my editor there is a sidebar with
a name list of the open files). After that first drag, any change in
the doc is reflected by simply refreshing the browser window (with a
key combo), I have yet to use the built in editor facility to do this
similar job.
Now that you all know this, naturally I have to have you all locked
away where you cannot reveal it to others.
For that live update experience, you can use Firefox extensions
(Pederick one, for example) so that change in the HTML or CSS is noted
by the browser without further ado, but its editing part is not so
nice to use for regular development.
(I hope your eyesight prob due to that LED beam is over, yes, they are
very bright!)
--
dorayme
Swifty <steve....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 3 May 2012 13:58:20 +0100, Philip Herlihy <bounc...@you.com>
> wrote:
>
> >what HTML/CSS editors do folk here use?
>
> I use EditpadPro. I don't think it has any HTML support (other than
> syntax colouring) but it has one neat feature:
>
> If the filetype is HTML then I have a configured shortcut of Alt+O
> which saves the file and then opens the HTML in my Opera Browser.
>
> This way, I can see how I'm getting on. It's not 100% seamless, as it
> switches to my browser, and I have to do something to switch back.
Maybe it is not so much a Win thing, or maybe it is just me: to see
> On Thu, 3 May 2012 13:58:20 +0100, Philip Herlihy <bounc...@you.com>
> wrote:
>
> >what HTML/CSS editors do folk here use?
>
> I use EditpadPro. I don't think it has any HTML support (other than
> syntax colouring) but it has one neat feature:
>
> If the filetype is HTML then I have a configured shortcut of Alt+O
> which saves the file and then opens the HTML in my Opera Browser.
>
> This way, I can see how I'm getting on. It's not 100% seamless, as it
> switches to my browser, and I have to do something to switch back.
what the HTML doc looks like in a browser I just drag the file name
over a browser for a first time (in my editor there is a sidebar with
a name list of the open files). After that first drag, any change in
the doc is reflected by simply refreshing the browser window (with a
key combo), I have yet to use the built in editor facility to do this
similar job.
Now that you all know this, naturally I have to have you all locked
away where you cannot reveal it to others.
For that live update experience, you can use Firefox extensions
(Pederick one, for example) so that change in the HTML or CSS is noted
by the browser without further ado, but its editing part is not so
nice to use for regular development.
(I hope your eyesight prob due to that LED beam is over, yes, they are
very bright!)
--
dorayme
masonc
May 4, 2012, 3:50:45 PM5/4/12
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I've used EditPlus forever and always puzzled why it isn't mentioned
here.
http://www.editplus.com/
Mason infamous top-poster frontal-lobe.info
here.
http://www.editplus.com/
Mason infamous top-poster frontal-lobe.info
tlvp
May 4, 2012, 6:06:36 PM5/4/12
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Manuel Collado
May 5, 2012, 10:54:37 AM5/5/12
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El 04/05/2012 17:39, Philip Herlihy escribió:
> In article<d8s7q790435l8mnfu...@4ax.com>,
> steve....@gmail.com says...
> In article<d8s7q790435l8mnfu...@4ax.com>,
> steve....@gmail.com says...
> ...
>
> Very interesting to see the variety of editors in use, and the fact that
> more of them are enhanced text editors than WYSIWYG environments. All
> being bookmarked for later exploration.
If you prefer a WYSIWYG-like editors, please consider XXE from XMLMind.
>
> Very interesting to see the variety of editors in use, and the fact that
> more of them are enhanced text editors than WYSIWYG environments. All
> being bookmarked for later exploration.
With some limitations:
- Can edit only XHTML, not HTML.
- Can't edit CSS.
Well, it is in fact a CSS-styleable XML editor.
--
Manuel Collado - http://lml.ls.fi.upm.es/~mcollado
Beauregard T. Shagnasty
May 5, 2012, 12:35:59 PM5/5/12
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Manuel Collado wrote:
> If you prefer a WYSIWYG-like editors, please consider XXE from XMLMind.
> With some limitations:
> - Can edit only XHTML, not HTML.
Not very worthy then. XHTML is a dead-end.
> If you prefer a WYSIWYG-like editors, please consider XXE from XMLMind.
> With some limitations:
> - Can edit only XHTML, not HTML.
> - Can't edit CSS.
--
-bts
-Bluefish user
Philip Herlihy
May 5, 2012, 2:05:26 PM5/5/12
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In article <jo3ktf$eh7$1...@dont-email.me>, a.non...@example.invalid
says...
Especially in this newsgroup!
This process is making me think harder about what features I like in
Dreamweaver. I like the fact I can click an element and get a summary
of the CSS which affects it, but I realise that I can do this in the
browser: Firefox can do this with a plug-in, and IE9 does it pretty well
unadorned.
I also value being able to use templates, and to have Dreamweaver do
things like update links when I rename or move a file. If its rendering
in "Design" view was better I wouldn't look elsewhere.
Readers of this group might be interested to know about Microsoft's
"Website Spark" promotion, which offers a free three-year license for
their main development tools: Visual Studio and Expression, with (as far
as I can see) the requirement only that you do something visible with
it.
http://www.microsoft.com/web/websitespark/
--
Phil, London
says...
This process is making me think harder about what features I like in
Dreamweaver. I like the fact I can click an element and get a summary
of the CSS which affects it, but I realise that I can do this in the
browser: Firefox can do this with a plug-in, and IE9 does it pretty well
unadorned.
I also value being able to use templates, and to have Dreamweaver do
things like update links when I rename or move a file. If its rendering
in "Design" view was better I wouldn't look elsewhere.
Readers of this group might be interested to know about Microsoft's
"Website Spark" promotion, which offers a free three-year license for
their main development tools: Visual Studio and Expression, with (as far
as I can see) the requirement only that you do something visible with
it.
http://www.microsoft.com/web/websitespark/
--
Phil, London
Philip Herlihy
May 5, 2012, 2:55:05 PM5/5/12
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In article <MPG.2a0f7c429...@news.demon.co.uk>,
bounc...@you.com says...
Incidentally, I had to update a site created a long time ago with
FrontPage 2003. That was the editor I started out with, and the damage
it did to my understanding of how the web is supposed to work lives on.
I started to realise just how tortuous it was when I tried "view
source" in "Preview" mode. Lists had been translated into tables, which
is why my nascent CSS wasn't working. UL.example {color: red} doesn't
do anything if the HTML is now a table!
I have to say I'm still quite pleased with the last site I put up via
FrontPage (because there was a requirement that someone with FP skills
could update it) but that's only when I don't look at the underlying
code! http://oldefc.com (Can't take credit for the excellent logo,
sadly.)
--
Phil, London
bounc...@you.com says...
FrontPage 2003. That was the editor I started out with, and the damage
it did to my understanding of how the web is supposed to work lives on.
I started to realise just how tortuous it was when I tried "view
source" in "Preview" mode. Lists had been translated into tables, which
is why my nascent CSS wasn't working. UL.example {color: red} doesn't
do anything if the HTML is now a table!
I have to say I'm still quite pleased with the last site I put up via
FrontPage (because there was a requirement that someone with FP skills
could update it) but that's only when I don't look at the underlying
code! http://oldefc.com (Can't take credit for the excellent logo,
sadly.)
--
Phil, London
tlvp
May 5, 2012, 5:13:45 PM5/5/12
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On Sat, 5 May 2012 19:55:05 +0100, Philip Herlihy wrote:
> ... I'm still quite pleased with the last site I put up via
the parenthesized URL "(www.elrfc.com)", but not the rest? Or was that
something that FP just unavoidably did to you?
Cheers, -- tlvp
--
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
> ... I'm still quite pleased with the last site I put up via
> FrontPage (because there was a requirement that someone with FP skills
> could update it) but that's only when I don't look at the underlying
> code! http://oldefc.com (Can't take credit for the excellent logo,
> sadly.)
Very tangential question: there was some reason for bolding the "rfc" in
> could update it) but that's only when I don't look at the underlying
> code! http://oldefc.com (Can't take credit for the excellent logo,
> sadly.)
the parenthesized URL "(www.elrfc.com)", but not the rest? Or was that
something that FP just unavoidably did to you?
Cheers, -- tlvp
--
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
dorayme
May 5, 2012, 5:27:41 PM5/5/12
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Philip Herlihy
May 5, 2012, 6:43:52 PM5/5/12
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In article <1pwl7r2evea89$.13uj9wjp...@40tude.net>,
mPiOsUcB...@att.net says...
I guess at the time I must have thought it would help people remember
the address, but on this re-visit I thought it looked silly, so I've
changed it. I've also corrected the link - address had clearly changed.
When giving presentations involving web addresses I often muck about
with colours (in PowerPoint) to highlight the terms that go into a name.
I figure people will remember the name if they understand it. All too
many addresses look like a stream of random characters unless you make
an effort to read them, and visual differentation (colour, font-weight)
can help the reader 'parse' the name.
--
Phil, London
mPiOsUcB...@att.net says...
the address, but on this re-visit I thought it looked silly, so I've
changed it. I've also corrected the link - address had clearly changed.
When giving presentations involving web addresses I often muck about
with colours (in PowerPoint) to highlight the terms that go into a name.
I figure people will remember the name if they understand it. All too
many addresses look like a stream of random characters unless you make
an effort to read them, and visual differentation (colour, font-weight)
can help the reader 'parse' the name.
--
Phil, London
tlvp
May 5, 2012, 8:44:49 PM5/5/12
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appear as emphasized lower-case acronym within a sports group's URL :-) .
Philip Herlihy
May 5, 2012, 9:47:13 PM5/5/12
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In article <1c1vy247udulq.tz4tvqoflds1$.d...@40tude.net>,
(But I think you knew that)
--
Phil, London
mPiOsUcB...@att.net says...
>
> On Sat, 5 May 2012 23:43:52 +0100, Philip Herlihy wrote:
>
> > In article <1pwl7r2evea89$.13uj9wjp...@40tude.net>,
> > mPiOsUcB...@att.net says...
> >>
...
>
> On Sat, 5 May 2012 23:43:52 +0100, Philip Herlihy wrote:
>
> > In article <1pwl7r2evea89$.13uj9wjp...@40tude.net>,
> > mPiOsUcB...@att.net says...
> >>
> >>
> >> Very tangential question: there was some reason for bolding the "rfc" in
> >> the parenthesized URL "(www.elrfc.com)", but not the rest? Or was that
> >> something that FP just unavoidably did to you?
> >>
> >
> >> Very tangential question: there was some reason for bolding the "rfc" in
> >> the parenthesized URL "(www.elrfc.com)", but not the rest? Or was that
> >> something that FP just unavoidably did to you?
> >>
> >
> > I guess at the time I must have thought it would help people remember
> > the address, but on this re-visit I thought it looked silly, so I've
> > changed it. I've also corrected the link - address had clearly changed.
> >
> > When giving presentations involving web addresses I often muck about
> > with colours (in PowerPoint) to highlight the terms that go into a name.
> > I figure people will remember the name if they understand it. All too
> > many addresses look like a stream of random characters unless you make
> > an effort to read them, and visual differentation (colour, font-weight)
> > can help the reader 'parse' the name.
>
> OK, fair enough, not for me to question why a Request For Comment should
> appear as emphasized lower-case acronym within a sports group's URL :-) .
>
> Cheers, -- tlvp
That would be "Rugby Football Club" :-)
> > the address, but on this re-visit I thought it looked silly, so I've
> > changed it. I've also corrected the link - address had clearly changed.
> >
> > When giving presentations involving web addresses I often muck about
> > with colours (in PowerPoint) to highlight the terms that go into a name.
> > I figure people will remember the name if they understand it. All too
> > many addresses look like a stream of random characters unless you make
> > an effort to read them, and visual differentation (colour, font-weight)
> > can help the reader 'parse' the name.
>
> OK, fair enough, not for me to question why a Request For Comment should
> appear as emphasized lower-case acronym within a sports group's URL :-) .
>
> Cheers, -- tlvp
(But I think you knew that)
--
Phil, London
tlvp
May 6, 2012, 8:47:25 PM5/6/12
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On Sun, 6 May 2012 02:47:13 +0100, Philip Herlihy wrote:
>> ... why a Request For Comment should
Rugby and Football -- after all, on your tight little island Rugby *is*
Football. It'd be like a South African saying Soccer Football :-) . So
surely either rc (Rugby Club) or fc (Football Club) would have sufficed,
and rfc must stand for something else (but: *what*?)
Guess I missed my guess :-) . (Sigh!) Cheers, -- tlvp
>> ... why a Request For Comment should
>> appear as emphasized lower-case acronym within a sports group's URL :-) .
>
>
> That would be "Rugby Football Club" :-)
>
> (But I think you knew that)
I *thought* of it, 'tis true, but then decided, no, no need to say both
>
> (But I think you knew that)
Rugby and Football -- after all, on your tight little island Rugby *is*
Football. It'd be like a South African saying Soccer Football :-) . So
surely either rc (Rugby Club) or fc (Football Club) would have sufficed,
and rfc must stand for something else (but: *what*?)
Guess I missed my guess :-) . (Sigh!) Cheers, -- tlvp
JussiJ
May 7, 2012, 9:53:39 AM5/7/12
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The Zeus editor can handle HTML and CSS - http://www.zeusedit.com
Philip Herlihy
May 8, 2012, 9:16:58 AM5/8/12
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In article <jcy8dleccnd0.c...@40tude.net>,
mPiOsUcB...@att.net says...
In fact if you asked a randomly-chosen selection of 1000 English people
(and probably Welsh or Scots too) to explain to a child what "Football"
meant you'd be unlikely to find a single person who'd describe Rugby.
Rugby Football ("Rugger") has a good following here, but it's orders of
magnitude less than Association Football ("Soccer").
Where are you?
--
Phil, London
mPiOsUcB...@att.net says...
(and probably Welsh or Scots too) to explain to a child what "Football"
meant you'd be unlikely to find a single person who'd describe Rugby.
Rugby Football ("Rugger") has a good following here, but it's orders of
magnitude less than Association Football ("Soccer").
Where are you?
--
Phil, London
Philip Herlihy
May 8, 2012, 9:19:39 AM5/8/12
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In article <63f8303c-e5e5-4d1c-b855-ef286d5a9ce8
@t2g2000pbg.googlegroups.com>, jus...@zeusedit.com says...
Thanks! All being studied and bookmarked.
So many intelligent text editors - how can one choose? The problem is
the amount of time you'd need to spend playing with them to get to the
level of fluency to make an informed decision. I'd rather hoped that it
would turn out that there were just one or two that were very popular
here, which would have made exploration much easier!
--
Phil, London
@t2g2000pbg.googlegroups.com>, jus...@zeusedit.com says...
Thanks! All being studied and bookmarked.
So many intelligent text editors - how can one choose? The problem is
the amount of time you'd need to spend playing with them to get to the
level of fluency to make an informed decision. I'd rather hoped that it
would turn out that there were just one or two that were very popular
here, which would have made exploration much easier!
--
Phil, London
Philip Herlihy
May 8, 2012, 12:33:41 PM5/8/12
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In article <MPG.2a132dc74...@news.demon.co.uk>,
bounc...@you.com says...
I read the other day that the rendering engine of Dreamweaver CS6 is
"the latest version of Webkit", so this will be a big improvment,
presumably. Worth a trial, for me, I'd guess...
--
Phil, London
bounc...@you.com says...
"the latest version of Webkit", so this will be a big improvment,
presumably. Worth a trial, for me, I'd guess...
--
Phil, London
tlvp
May 8, 2012, 8:43:54 PM5/8/12
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entertainments :-) , whence my missed guess. Cheers, -- tlvp
Ben C
May 11, 2012, 3:38:42 AM5/11/12
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name Jove which is an Emacs clone.
Well, there is a third type, which is anything noddy and "easy" to use,
like Notepad, Wordpad, Kate, Geany, Visual Studio, etc.
David Stone
May 14, 2012, 9:45:27 AM5/14/12
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In article <slrnjqpgg2....@bowser.marioworld>,
Ben C <spam...@spam.eggs> wrote:
> On 2012-05-08, Philip Herlihy <bounc...@you.com> wrote:
> > In article <63f8303c-e5e5-4d1c-b855-ef286d5a9ce8
> > @t2g2000pbg.googlegroups.com>, jus...@zeusedit.com says...
> >>
> >> The Zeus editor can handle HTML and CSS - http://www.zeusedit.com
> >
> > Thanks! All being studied and bookmarked.
> >
> > So many intelligent text editors - how can one choose? The problem is
> > the amount of time you'd need to spend playing with them to get to the
> > level of fluency to make an informed decision. I'd rather hoped that it
> > would turn out that there were just one or two that were very popular
> > here, which would have made exploration much easier!
>
> There are only two-- Vim and Emacs.
Clearly, we need a replacement editor called "Vigour"...
> On 2012-05-08, Philip Herlihy <bounc...@you.com> wrote:
> > In article <63f8303c-e5e5-4d1c-b855-ef286d5a9ce8
> > @t2g2000pbg.googlegroups.com>, jus...@zeusedit.com says...
> >>
> >> The Zeus editor can handle HTML and CSS - http://www.zeusedit.com
> >
> > Thanks! All being studied and bookmarked.
> >
> > So many intelligent text editors - how can one choose? The problem is
> > the amount of time you'd need to spend playing with them to get to the
> > level of fluency to make an informed decision. I'd rather hoped that it
> > would turn out that there were just one or two that were very popular
> > here, which would have made exploration much easier!
>
> There are only two-- Vim and Emacs.
Swifty
May 14, 2012, 11:21:50 AM5/14/12
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On Mon, 14 May 2012 09:45:27 -0400, David Stone
<no.e...@domain.invalid> wrote:
>we need a replacement editor called "Vigour"
Except the term is "Vim and Vigor" as the words are from Latin.
<no.e...@domain.invalid> wrote:
>we need a replacement editor called "Vigour"
David Stone
May 14, 2012, 2:31:00 PM5/14/12
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In article <5m82r7da62umm6g6r...@4ax.com>,
well have been the latin spelling. Fortunately, software localisation
can be exploited to resolve transatlantic differences!
Swifty <steve....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 14 May 2012 09:45:27 -0400, David Stone
> <no.e...@domain.invalid> wrote:
>
> >we need a replacement editor called "Vigour"
>
> Except the term is "Vim and Vigor" as the words are from Latin.
In the UK, it is "Vim and Vigour", although at one point it might
> On Mon, 14 May 2012 09:45:27 -0400, David Stone
> <no.e...@domain.invalid> wrote:
>
> >we need a replacement editor called "Vigour"
>
> Except the term is "Vim and Vigor" as the words are from Latin.
well have been the latin spelling. Fortunately, software localisation
can be exploited to resolve transatlantic differences!
Swifty
May 15, 2012, 2:51:57 AM5/15/12
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On Mon, 14 May 2012 14:31:00 -0400, David Stone
<no.e...@domain.invalid> wrote:
>Fortunately, software localisation
>can be exploited to resolve transatlantic differences!
The nearest I come to being "across the Atlantic" can be seen at:
<no.e...@domain.invalid> wrote:
>Fortunately, software localisation
>can be exploited to resolve transatlantic differences!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clachan_Bridge which I pass quite close
to on regular occasions.
j
May 22, 2012, 7:15:12 AM5/22/12
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On 5/4/2012 12:36 AM, dorayme wrote:
> In article<1vvf7aj7i8dhu$.uuwdz02k...@40tude.net>,
> tlvp<mPiOsUcB...@att.net> wrote:
>
>> There always has to be an outlier, and I guess I'm it, with
>> NotePad and/or WordPad. Seriously :-)
>
> psst... tlvp... I too use Notepad or Wordpad when doing anything
> HTML/CSSish on Win OS so I keep you company for the little I do on Win
> OS.<g>
NoteTab (Light) is a notepad shell. Much easier. Probably any text
> In article<1vvf7aj7i8dhu$.uuwdz02k...@40tude.net>,
> tlvp<mPiOsUcB...@att.net> wrote:
>
>> There always has to be an outlier, and I guess I'm it, with
>> NotePad and/or WordPad. Seriously :-)
>
> psst... tlvp... I too use Notepad or Wordpad when doing anything
> HTML/CSSish on Win OS so I keep you company for the little I do on Win
> OS.<g>
editor is better than NotePad which is so limiting.
Jeff
>
glutinous
May 29, 2012, 8:04:51 AM5/29/12
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<snip>
I'm a hand-coder (ooh-er madam), so I like something that colours the
code, and highlights opening & closing links (and errors), etc.
I used to use freeware Arachnophilia 4 (still do occasionally), but
then it got a bit 'clever' with v5 and I didn't like it.
http://www.arachnoid.com/arachnophilia/
Nowadays I use Webuilder (2011), which seems very competent to me. You
can modify 'libraries' of code, and it has built-in validation (not
that I do much of that - either it works cross-browser or it doesn't)
and preview. It isn't free, but it isn't a bank-breaker either.
http://www.blumentals.net/webuilder/
In my early years I tried Dreamweaver. What a nightmare! Much easier
to learn html (in those days) than to try to disentangle the code it
wrote. Never want to go back to WYSIWYG.
>
>Finally the question: what HTML/CSS editors do folk here use?
Late reply I know, but...
>Finally the question: what HTML/CSS editors do folk here use?
I'm a hand-coder (ooh-er madam), so I like something that colours the
code, and highlights opening & closing links (and errors), etc.
I used to use freeware Arachnophilia 4 (still do occasionally), but
then it got a bit 'clever' with v5 and I didn't like it.
http://www.arachnoid.com/arachnophilia/
Nowadays I use Webuilder (2011), which seems very competent to me. You
can modify 'libraries' of code, and it has built-in validation (not
that I do much of that - either it works cross-browser or it doesn't)
and preview. It isn't free, but it isn't a bank-breaker either.
http://www.blumentals.net/webuilder/
In my early years I tried Dreamweaver. What a nightmare! Much easier
to learn html (in those days) than to try to disentangle the code it
wrote. Never want to go back to WYSIWYG.
Osmo Saarikumpu
May 29, 2012, 12:56:53 PM5/29/12
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glutinous kirjoitti:
> I used to use freeware Arachnophilia 4 (still do occasionally), but
> then it got a bit 'clever' with v5 and I didn't like it.
Arach 4 was my first choice for several years also. I still use it for
teaching purposes (w. self made toolbars in Finnish] as the first editor
suitable for getting acquainted with markup. For real world purposes
it's hopefully outdated (no utf-8, etc.) and v. 5 (everything completely
new and all Java) was never an option.
> Nowadays I use Webuilder (2011), which seems very competent to me. You
> can modify 'libraries' of code, and it has built-in validation (not
> that I do much of that - either it works cross-browser or it doesn't)
> and preview. It isn't free, but it isn't a bank-breaker either.
IIRC, nobody has mentioned my first choice PSPad (Windows only), which
is freeware and has everything that I can imagine:
- very configurable
- multihighliter syntax (HTML, CSS, JavaScript, PHP, etc.)
- spell check for many languages (not Finnish, I've got a small start
ca. 100,000 words if anybody wants it)
- auto correction (as in word processors)
- highly modifiable clip libraries for many languages, including above
mentioned, w. macros
- auto completition (language keywords & anything you typed once)
- search & replace (also in closed files & folders, with reg. ex.)
- eyedropper and other color tools
- clipboard monitor
- static and dynamic previews
- integrated and configurable Tidy
- set your own keyboard shortcuts
- drag & drop images to markup
- reformat or compress markup
- system integration
- define your own (syntax sensible) help files
- no installation needed, works from an USB-stick
- lots of other features...
And yet, it's not by definition a Web editor.
Downsides? Yes, search & replace is not multi line (an add on exists)
and a few bits are still waiting to be translated from Czech (I'm
guessing).
> In my early years I tried Dreamweaver. What a nightmare! Much easier
> to learn html (in those days) than to try to disentangle the code it
> wrote. Never want to go back to WYSIWYG.
Ah, DW the mother of bloatware :) In class, we start w. Arach 4 (to get
acquainted with markup), proceed to PSPad (to get acquainted with styles
and Web programming languages) and go on to DW (for site handling,
templates and database connections), but usually we 'retreat' back to
PSPad for all serious business :)
Follow up set to: comp.infosystems.www.authoring.tools
--
Best wishes,
Osmo
> I used to use freeware Arachnophilia 4 (still do occasionally), but
> then it got a bit 'clever' with v5 and I didn't like it.
teaching purposes (w. self made toolbars in Finnish] as the first editor
suitable for getting acquainted with markup. For real world purposes
it's hopefully outdated (no utf-8, etc.) and v. 5 (everything completely
new and all Java) was never an option.
> Nowadays I use Webuilder (2011), which seems very competent to me. You
> can modify 'libraries' of code, and it has built-in validation (not
> that I do much of that - either it works cross-browser or it doesn't)
> and preview. It isn't free, but it isn't a bank-breaker either.
is freeware and has everything that I can imagine:
- very configurable
- multihighliter syntax (HTML, CSS, JavaScript, PHP, etc.)
- spell check for many languages (not Finnish, I've got a small start
ca. 100,000 words if anybody wants it)
- auto correction (as in word processors)
- highly modifiable clip libraries for many languages, including above
mentioned, w. macros
- auto completition (language keywords & anything you typed once)
- search & replace (also in closed files & folders, with reg. ex.)
- eyedropper and other color tools
- clipboard monitor
- static and dynamic previews
- integrated and configurable Tidy
- set your own keyboard shortcuts
- drag & drop images to markup
- reformat or compress markup
- system integration
- define your own (syntax sensible) help files
- no installation needed, works from an USB-stick
- lots of other features...
And yet, it's not by definition a Web editor.
Downsides? Yes, search & replace is not multi line (an add on exists)
and a few bits are still waiting to be translated from Czech (I'm
guessing).
> In my early years I tried Dreamweaver. What a nightmare! Much easier
> to learn html (in those days) than to try to disentangle the code it
> wrote. Never want to go back to WYSIWYG.
acquainted with markup), proceed to PSPad (to get acquainted with styles
and Web programming languages) and go on to DW (for site handling,
templates and database connections), but usually we 'retreat' back to
PSPad for all serious business :)
Follow up set to: comp.infosystems.www.authoring.tools
--
Best wishes,
Osmo
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