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1001 Webs

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Dec 6, 2007, 6:54:14 PM12/6/07
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I'm trying to choose between Kompozer and SeaMonkey, both free, both
WYSIWYG, both multiplatform.

Kompozer:
http://www.kompozer.net/
Looks fine, with site manager and FTP included.
The one thing I don't like about Kompozer is that reformats the source
code when you open a file. It kind of soft-wraps the lines in a most
weird manner.
You can use the HandCoder plugin, but that's not the idea. Or maybe it
is, not sure ...
Another issue that worries me is that it hasn't been updated for over
a year and the bug reports page is overcrowded:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=170132&atid=853122

SeaMonkey:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/
Looks good enough, frequently updated and lots of extensions-plugins.
Has anyone done any real work with it?

I did like Bluefish a lot although it isn't WYSIWYG ( What You See Is
What You Need )
http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/features.html
But it only runs on Linux.

Chaddy2222

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Dec 6, 2007, 11:31:06 PM12/6/07
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On Dec 7, 10:54 am, 1001 Webs <1001w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm trying to choose between Kompozer and SeaMonkey, both free, both
> WYSIWYG, both multiplatform.
>
> Kompozer:http://www.kompozer.net/
> Looks fine, with site manager and FTP included.
> The one thing I don't like about Kompozer is that reformats the source
> code when you open a file. It kind of soft-wraps the lines in a most
> weird manner.
> You can use the HandCoder plugin, but that's not the idea. Or maybe it
> is, not sure ...
> Another issue that worries me is that it hasn't been updated for over
> a year and the bug reports page is overcrowded:http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=170132&atid=853122
>
> SeaMonkey:http://www.seamonkey-project.org/
> Looks good enough, frequently updated and lots of extensions-plugins.
> Has anyone done any real work with it?
<snip>
I use KompoZer all the time. I use it with the HandCoder extention so
I can edit PHP with Crimson Editor and it works well.
You need the HC plug-in as otherwise the source gets kind of messed
up. It's also better for editing PHP.
--
Regards Chad. http://freewebdesignonline.org

Petersen, Vegard Krog

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Dec 7, 2007, 3:18:14 AM12/7/07
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1001 Webs skrev:

> I'm trying to choose between Kompozer and SeaMonkey, both free, both
> WYSIWYG, both multiplatform.
>
> Kompozer:
> http://www.kompozer.net/
> Looks fine, with site manager and FTP included.
> The one thing I don't like about Kompozer is that reformats the source
> code when you open a file. It kind of soft-wraps the lines in a most
> weird manner.
> You can use the HandCoder plugin, but that's not the idea. Or maybe it
> is, not sure ...
> Another issue that worries me is that it hasn't been updated for over
> a year and the bug reports page is overcrowded:
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=170132&atid=853122
>

Wrong.
Version 0.7.10 was released 2007-08-30. It's in development active.
The reformat issue is a legacy from NVU and can not be fixed in this
program at all. Use Tidy.

Check the Forum: http://wysifauthoring.informe.com/

Original author of NVU, Daniel Glazman, is working on "Composer", who
will not the reformat issue.


> SeaMonkey:
> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/
> Looks good enough, frequently updated and lots of extensions-plugins.
> Has anyone done any real work with it?
>

The Composer in SeaMonkey (and the Mozilla Suite before that) is the
foundation for the later NVU, Kompozer, and "Composer".

I don't think this module is the one that is being worked on the most...

Steve Sobol

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Dec 7, 2007, 9:58:57 AM12/7/07
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On 2007-12-07, Petersen, Vegard Krog <vegard_kro...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> The Composer in SeaMonkey (and the Mozilla Suite before that) is the
> foundation for the later NVU, Kompozer, and "Composer".
>
> I don't think this module is the one that is being worked on the most...

Does anyone else have a cross-platform editor that they like then? I installed
SeaMonkey and didn't see anything useful that I didn't already have with
Kompozer. I don't like the reformatting, either.

--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED www.SteveSobol.com
Geek-for-hire. Details: http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevesobol

1001 Webs

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Dec 7, 2007, 2:14:36 PM12/7/07
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On Dec 6, 7:39 pm, "Charles" <electrochuckREM...@XXXatt.net> wrote:
> 1001 Webswrote:
> > I'm trying to choose between Kompozer and SeaMonkey...
> > Kompozer:

> > The one thing I don't like about Kompozer is that reformats the source
> > code when you open a file.
>
> I recently gave up on Kompozer and especially the CasCadeS CSS editor which
> can really mess up your stylesheet. TopStyle Lite is far superior.

>
> > You can use the HandCoder plugin, but that's not the idea.
>
> HandCoder was a disaster for me.
>
> > SeaMonkey:
>
> I haven't tried SeaMonkey yet. Thanks for the link.
I've just come to realize that SeaMonkey also reformats the code ...

> How about Amaya or 1stPage 2000 (not 1stPage 2006!)?
Amaya doesn't handle very well documents created beforehand.
By that I mean that if you try to edit a table.based html file, it
does some strange visualization quirks.
I suppose it is ok if you build the file from the ground up in Amaya,
and I know it'll be very educational to go that route, but I just
don't get accustomed to the interface.
1stPage 2000 was in my computer a long time ago and I recall I did
like it and even used it for a couple of sites, but it only runs on
Windows, doesn't it?

1001 Webs

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Dec 7, 2007, 2:17:05 PM12/7/07
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On Dec 6, 11:31 pm, Chaddy2222 <spamlovermailbox-
sicur...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

Yep, I understand how it goes now.
I use Notepad++ though. You should check it out.
I specially like the ability to collapse everything in between tags.

1001 Webs

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Dec 7, 2007, 2:18:45 PM12/7/07
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On Dec 7, 3:18 am, "Petersen, Vegard Krog"
<vegard_krog_peter...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 1001 Websskrev:
What's the difference between Kompozer, and "Composer"?

Ed Mullen

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Dec 7, 2007, 3:47:05 PM12/7/07
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Composer is a component of the the Netscape Suite, the Mozilla Suite,
and the SeaMonkey Suite. That is the chronology of
development/evolution. The only one actively in development is now
SeaMonkey. However, I don't know how much, if any, dev work is being
done on Composer.

When Mozilla.Org dropped development of the Mozilla Suite, Daniel
Glazman started a project to build a stand-alone Composer and called it
Nvu. Apparently the Nvu project is now dead.

Kompozer is built on the same underlying rendering engine as Composer
and Nvu. The main difference is that Kompozer is in active development.

Use Kompozer as it's the most advanced of the three.

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net
http://mozilla.edmullen.net
http://abington.edmullen.net
Better living through denial.

Bjorn Simonsen

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Dec 7, 2007, 5:22:40 PM12/7/07
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Ed Mullen wrote in <-cidneWwJ__RLMTa...@comcast.com>:

>Composer is a component of the the Netscape Suite, the Mozilla Suite,
>and the SeaMonkey Suite. That is the chronology of
>development/evolution. The only one actively in development is now
>SeaMonkey. However, I don't know how much, if any, dev work is being
>done on Composer.
>
>When Mozilla.Org dropped development of the Mozilla Suite, Daniel
>Glazman started a project to build a stand-alone Composer and called it
>Nvu. Apparently the Nvu project is now dead.
>
>Kompozer is built on the same underlying rendering engine as Composer
>and Nvu. The main difference is that Kompozer is in active development.
>
>Use Kompozer as it's the most advanced of the three.

How does http://www.pagebreeze.com/ compare to Kompozer and SeaMonkey,
anyone here tried it and formed an opinion? Just curios.

All the best,
Bjorn S.

Bone Ur

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Dec 7, 2007, 5:37:06 PM12/7/07
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Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:17:05
GMT 1001 Webs scribed:

>> I use KompoZer all the time. I use it with the HandCoder extention so
>> I can edit PHP with Crimson Editor and it works well.
>> You need the HC plug-in as otherwise the source gets kind of messed
>> up. It's also better for editing PHP.
>
> Yep, I understand how it goes now.
> I use Notepad++ though. You should check it out.
> I specially like the ability to collapse everything in between tags.

Hmm, that does sound interesting; I will have to check it out.

I now use Notetab Standard which has various functions but all I really
utilize is the coloring of different sections. _Basically_ (note the
disclaimer) I think that's all one really should need to make a Web page
and progs like Dreamweaver and Frontpage are just overpriced crutches which
help nobody in the long run.

--
Bone Ur
Cavemen have formidable pheromones.

Bergamot

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Dec 7, 2007, 9:50:47 PM12/7/07
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Bjorn Simonsen wrote:
>
> How does http://www.pagebreeze.com/ compare to Kompozer

Judging by the code on their home page, it's a product to be avoided.

--
Berg

Bjorn Simonsen

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Dec 8, 2007, 11:11:33 AM12/8/07
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Bergamot wrote in <5ruf48F...@mid.individual.net>:

>> How does http://www.pagebreeze.com/ compare to Kompozer
>
>Judging by the code on their home page, it's a product to be avoided.

Thanks, good to know. Passing the page url to http://validator.w3.org/
it said,

Result: Failed validation

with the following explanation:

1. No Character Encoding Found! Falling back to UTF-8.

None of the standards sources gave any information on the
character encoding labeling for this document. Without encoding
information it is impossible to reliably validate the document.
As a fallback solution, the "UTF-8" encoding was used to read the
content and attempt to perform the validation, but this is likely
to fail for all non-trivial documents.

Read the FAQ entry on character encoding for more details and
pointers on how to fix this problem with your document.

1. Warning

Sorry, I am unable to validate this document because on line 120
it contained one or more bytes that I cannot interpret as utf-8
(in other words, the bytes found are not valid values in the
' specified Character Encoding). Please check both the content of
the file and the character encoding indication.
The error was: utf8 "\xA9" does not map to Unicode

(line 120 contains the copyright symbol AFAIK)

All the best
Bjorn S.

Bergamot

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Dec 8, 2007, 1:10:16 PM12/8/07
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Bjorn Simonsen wrote:
> Bergamot wrote in <5ruf48F...@mid.individual.net>:
>
>>> How does http://www.pagebreeze.com/ compare to Kompozer
>>
>>Judging by the code on their home page, it's a product to be avoided.
>
> Passing the page url to http://validator.w3.org/
> it said,

You don't even need to go that far. View source and look at the mess it
makes.

--
Berg

Calande

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Jan 1, 2008, 7:19:37 PM1/1/08
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1001 Webs wrote:
> I'm trying to choose between Kompozer and SeaMonkey, both free, both
> WYSIWYG, both multiplatform.

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